Costco Continues Lowering the Quality at the Food Court by Serving Pepsi Products
SMS
dogs wasn't bad enough, now Costco has dropped Coca-Cola products from
the food court, and is now serving only Pepsi products.
spamtrap1888
At least HFCS Pepsi tastes the same as sucrose Pepsi, as I have
learned from buying Pepsi Throwback. The quality degradation of HFCS
Coke is noticeable.
Julian Macassey
What is the quality difference? They both use HFCS,
phosphoric acid, CO2 and other odd ingredients.
~as a Frenchman said to me when discussing why the
FDA will not allow the importation of Suze to the US "Yet they let
their children drink Diet Coke!"
--
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- Graffiti at a Marine Barracks, Ramadi, Iraq. April 2010
SMS
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 05:38:04 -0700, SMS<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> As if the switch to those disgusting Kirkland hot dogs from Kosher hot
>> dogs wasn't bad enough, now Costco has dropped Coca-Cola products from
>> the food court, and is now serving only Pepsi products.
>
> What is the quality difference? They both use HFCS,
> phosphoric acid, CO2 and other odd ingredients.
If you're going to drink stuff that's really bad for you, at least drink
the one that tastes much better.
James Silverton
> On 03/05/10 6:32 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 May 2010 05:38:04 -0700, SMS<scharf...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> As if the switch to those disgusting Kirkland hot dogs from Kosher
>>> hot dogs wasn't bad enough, now Costco has dropped
>>> Coca-Cola products from the food court, and is now serving
>>> only Pepsi products.
>>
>> What is the quality difference? They both use HFCS,
>> phosphoric acid, CO2 and other odd ingredients.
Do you think you don't use phosphorus in your metabolism, don't drink
champagne or beer because it has CO2 and think that fructose is bad for
you, you are a "professor of molecular gastronomy" :-)
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Peter Lawrence
Who says that all Pepsi products taste worst the the Coke equivalent?
Personally, I prefer the taste of Diet Pepsi over Diet Coke. And many
establishments that serve Pepsi fountain drinks also serve SoBe Lean as
another low calorie offering.
I wouldn't call switching to Pepsi products a downgrade, just a side-grade
overall.
- Peter
JC Dill
Coke has a higher percent of fountain sales due to unfair business
practices with the distributors - a distributor who offers their
restaurant customers Coke products can't also offer Pepsi products -
Coke will refuse to sell a distributor Coke products if they expand
their options to include Pepsi for their customers.
Yet in in-store sales (where consumers can readily pick either brand),
Coke and Pepsi are in a much tighter race. It makes sense that more
companies would see offering Pepsi at the fountain as good business to
draw in Pepsi drinkers who don't have many restaurant fountain options
(primarily the Pepsi-affiliated Pizza Hut/Taco Bell/KFC stores). Coke
distributors also urged restaurants to change to Coke saying that when
they served Pepsi they were in effect "funding their competition". In
response Pepsi spun-off their restaurant division, creating Tricon
Global, now Yum!(ick - I hate this branding).
For Costco it's also about busting Coke's "our way or the highway"
business practices. Costco is in effect telling Coke they believe that
Coke needs Costco customers more than Costco needs Coke customers.
Since Costco can't sell Coke for the lowest price (as a lost leader)
like drug stores do, if a Costco customer buys a lot of soda they are
always better off shopping somewhere that sells it as a loss leader anyway.
jc
Al Eisner
A plus, as far as I'm concerned. While I consdierably prefer regular
Coke to Pepsi, I almost never order a non-diet soft drink, and both
diet coke and the newer "zero" are off-tasting compared to diet Pepsi.
(Far better than either is diet 7-Up, which is very rare in beverage
machines.)
Not that I ever eat at the Costco food court, so if Costco conducted a
vote on this I shouldn't participate.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Julian Macassey
If it has to be a carbonated beverage, the only one I know
that tastes good is sparkling wine.
Todd Michel McComb
>If it has to be a carbonated beverage, the only one I know that
>tastes good is sparkling wine.
I'll put in a vote for sparkling cider.
And some microbreweries make a decent root beer, or ginger beer or
such. (If beer isn't a carbonated beverage, that is.)
It's a mystery to me why anyone would want to drink "Coke" or "Pepsi"
or similar concoctions. Seems like eating e.g. Kraft Macaroni &
Cheese, except at a high price.
Peter Lawrence
Even as a kid, I couldn't quite understand the extraordinary appeal of cola
(be it Pepsi, Coke, or RC). My favorite soft drink when I was young was
non-carbonated Fanta Orange, followed by real lemonade (not the powder or
soda can variety).
I didn't mind the taste of cola, especially with ice, but it definitely
wasn't my favorite soft drink.
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
>>
>> If it has to be a carbonated beverage, the only one I know that
>> tastes good is sparkling wine.
>
> I'll put in a vote for sparkling cider.
>
> And some microbreweries make a decent root beer, or ginger beer or
> such. (If beer isn't a carbonated beverage, that is.)
Yup, if I had a choice between a sparkling wine or a good beer, I rather
have the beer. BTW, are there any good tasting sparkling *red* (not ros�)
wines?
- Peter
JC Dill
> Even as a kid, I couldn't quite understand the extraordinary appeal of
> cola (be it Pepsi, Coke, or RC). My favorite soft drink when I was
> young was non-carbonated Fanta Orange, followed by real lemonade (not
> the powder or soda can variety).
>
> I didn't mind the taste of cola, especially with ice, but it definitely
> wasn't my favorite soft drink.
Do you use a lot of salt in cooking, or heavily salt your food?
jc
evergene
As a kid I used to love cherry Cokes and chocolate Cokes from the
local soda fountain. The soda jerk (that's a job title, not a
character assessment, usually) would pump the appropriate syrup into
the paper cone, then add Coke. Both of these beverages go well with a
hoagie*, much like Barsac goes well with goose liver. A few years back
I developed a taste for Orangina, but now it's too sweet for me, and
these days the only soda I buy is an occasional six-pack of that
bitter lemon stuff - Pellagrino? - at Trader Joe's. And of course
ginger ale as a cold medicine.
*hoagie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoagie
The term hoagie originated in the Philadelphia area. Domenic Vitiello,
professor of Urban Studies at the University of Pennsylvania asserts
that Italians working at the World War I era shipyard in Philadelphia,
known as Hog Island where emergency shipping was produced for the war
effort, introduced the sandwich, by putting various meats, cheeses,
and lettuce between two slices of bread. This became known as the "Hog
Island" sandwich; hence, the "hoagie".[7]
The Philadelphia Almanac and Citizen's Manual offers a different
explanation, that the sandwich was created by early twentieth century
street vendors called "hokey-pokey men", who sold antipasto salad,
along with meats and cookies. When Gilbert and Sullivan�s operetta
H.M.S. Pinafore opened in Philadelphia in 1879, bakeries produced a
long loaf called the pinafore. Entrepreneurial "hokey-pokey men"
sliced the loaf in half, stuffed it with antipasto salad, and sold the
world's first "hoagie".[8]
Another explanation is that the word "hoagie" arose in the late
19th-early 20th century, among the Italian community in South
Philadelphia, when "on the hoke" was a slang used to describe a
destitute person. Deli owners would give away scraps of cheeses and
meats in an Italian bread-roll known as a "hokie", but the Italian
immigrants pronounced it "hoagie."[9]
Other less likely explanations involve "Hogan" (a nickname for Irish
workers at the Hog Island shipyard), a reference to the pork or "hog"
meat used in hoagies, "honky sandwich" (using a racial slur for white
people seen eating them) or "hooky sandwich" (derived from "hookie"
for truant kids seen eating them).[3] Shortly after WWII, there were
numerous varieties of the term in use throughout Philadelphia. By the
1940s, the spellings "hoagie" and, to a lesser extent, "hoagy" had
come to dominate lesser user variations like "hoogie" and
"hoggie".[10] By 1955, restaurants throughout the area were using the
term "hoagie", with many selling hoagies and subs or hoagies and
pizza. Listing in Pittsburgh show hoagies arriving in 1961 and
becoming widespread in that city by 1966.[10]
Former Philadelphia mayor (now Pennsylvania governor) Ed Rendell
declared the hoagie the "Official Sandwich of Philadelphia".[11]
However, there are claims that the hoagie was actually a product of
nearby Chester, Pennsylvania.[12] DiCostanza's in Boothwyn,
Pennsylvania claims that the mother of DiConstanza's owner originated
the hoagie in 1925 in Chester. DiCostanza relates the story that a
customer came into the family deli and through the series of the
customers' requests and the deli's offerings, the hoagie was
created.[13]
A local Philadelphia variation on the hoagie is the zep made in
Norristown, Pennsylvania. It is a variation on the traditional hoagie,
with no lettuce and only one meat. It is made on a foot-long crusted
roll, with provolone cheese covering meat, chunks of raw onion, and
slabs of tomato. It is dressed with oregano, salt, pepper, olive oil,
and hot pepper relish.[14]
Peter Lawrence
No. I actually use very little salt when I cook. And I rarely ever add
extra salt to my food. I'm not fond of overly salted food, like most
processed foods are these days.
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
> Peter Lawrence wrote:
>
> ... and these days the only soda I buy is an occasional six-pack
> of that bitter lemon stuff - Pellagrino? - at Trader Joe's. And
> of course ginger ale as a cold medicine.
These days I don't drink too many sodas, but when I do, it's usually Minute
Maid Lite Lemonade, Lean Sobe, or a Snapple Diet Peach Ice Tea. As you can
tell, I'm not really found of heavily carbonated drinks, though I don't mind
a Diet Seven-Up now and then.
- Peter
Steve Pope
>> Peter Lawrence wrote:
I brew four ruiboos teabags (three plain, one spiced), in boiling
water until brewed, then add cool water to make a jug. This
I then chill in the refrigerator until chilled.
No benzoates, no phosphates, no fructose or other sugars.
No problemo.
Steve
JC Dill
Part of what they changed in the formula^w recipe between Old Coke and
New Coke - they added more sodium to New Coke (and then more HFCS to
hide the sodium). See:
<http://www.zimbio.com/Be+Healthy/articles/193UKPgs1mi/Fructose+Wars+Fat+No+Longer+Choice>
It's possible that part of what you don't like about cola is that it has
too much sodium for your taste.
jc
Todd Michel McComb
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>It's possible that part of what you don't like about cola is that
>it has too much sodium for your taste.
Well, personally, I'm not a fan of sweet drinks, generally speaking.
I enjoy a dessert wine occasionally.
SMS
> I brew four ruiboos teabags (three plain, one spiced), in boiling
> water until brewed, then add cool water to make a jug. This
> I then chill in the refrigerator until chilled.
>
> No benzoates, no phosphates, no fructose or other sugars.
> No problemo.
Big problemo.
Men should limit iced tea consumption, according to a study by Loyola
University's Chicago Stritch School of Medicine�s urology department. It
causes kidney stones.
I remember hearing this on a radio program as well, it may have been Dr.
Dean Edell or someone else citing this study.
evergene
>On 03/05/10 10:47 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> I brew four ruiboos teabags (three plain, one spiced), in boiling
>> water until brewed, then add cool water to make a jug. This
>> I then chill in the refrigerator until chilled.
>>
>> No benzoates, no phosphates, no fructose or other sugars.
>> No problemo.
>
>Big problemo.
>
>Men should limit iced tea consumption, according to a study by Loyola
>University's Chicago Stritch School of Medicine�s urology department. It
>causes kidney stones.
>
>I remember hearing this on a radio program as well, it may have been Dr.
>Dean Edell or someone else citing this study.
>
>"http://www.healthnews.com/family-health/mens-health/limiting-iced-tea-may-limit-kidney-stones-men-1819.html"
The article linked above was about the beverage we commonly refer to
as tea (Camellia sinensis). Rooibos ("redbush") is a different plant.
The article was written so sloppily, it made me question whether
anything on that site would be worthwhile.
Ciccio
To me, Coke and Pepsi have different flavors, but both flavors are OK.
So, no big wow...
Ciccio
JC Dill
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 11:11:29 -0700, JC Dill wrote:
>
>> Coke has a higher percent of fountain sales due to unfair business
>> practices with the distributors - a distributor who offers their
>> restaurant customers Coke products can't also offer Pepsi products -
>> Coke will refuse to sell a distributor Coke products if they expand
>> their options to include Pepsi for their customers.
>
> Chinese restaurant that serves cans.
You misunderstand. The distributor can't carry/offer both options to
ANY of their restaurant customers. If you regularly buy most of your
restaurant supplies from a major distributor, then you are only offered
one fountain choice (which is almost always Coke products). You have to
make special arrangements to get your fountain products from a separate
company in order to carry Pepsi products. This means you need to order
from yet-another-supplier, which can be a huge headache for restaurants
- they seek to minimize the number of suppliers they need to deal with
on a daily basis so as to get the best service from a small number of
suppliers.
jc
Steve Pope
>SMS wrote:
>>On 03/05/10 10:47 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>>> I brew four ruiboos teabags (three plain, one spiced), in boiling
>>> water until brewed, then add cool water to make a jug. This
>>> I then chill in the refrigerator until chilled.
>>> No benzoates, no phosphates, no fructose or other sugars.
>>> No problemo.
>>Big problemo.
>>Men should limit iced tea consumption, according to a study by Loyola
>>University's Chicago Stritch School of Medicine�s urology department. It
>>causes kidney stones.
>>I remember hearing this on a radio program as well, it may have been Dr.
>>Dean Edell or someone else citing this study.
>The article linked above was about the beverage we commonly refer to
>as tea (Camellia sinensis). Rooibos ("redbush") is a different plant.
Thanks. Yes, I picked up on the buzz that men should limit
black tea drinking a long time ago. Not sure if there's anything to
it, but I'm not that big of a black tea fan anyway.
Steve
Steve Pope
>To me, Coke and Pepsi have different flavors, but both flavors are OK.
>So, no big wow...
To me, original Coke has a unique flavor, which I assume results
from it being the only beverage or foodstuff still flavored
with (inert) substances from the coca plant.
It's not enough to get me to drink one very often though.
Steve
Steve Pope
>I have never seen a restaurant offer both Pepsi and Coke.
Cantor's deli in L.A. would do this. Because they could.
Steve
Al Eisner
Your list is very close to mine, which is (in no particular order):
diet 7-Up; diet Snapple iced tea (the diet peach will do if diet lemon
isn't available); and Minute Maid Lite (which doesn't have the off-taste
of the regular). The latter is somewhat of a godsend, because it's
sometimes provided in soft-drink machines at restaurants -- for example,
Subway carries it.
Al Eisner
> Even as a kid, I couldn't quite understand the extraordinary appeal of cola
> (be it Pepsi, Coke, or RC). My favorite soft drink when I was young was
> non-carbonated Fanta Orange, followed by real lemonade (not the powder or
> soda can variety).
For me (New York City) it was chocolate egg creams, and the occasional
Dr. Brown's cream soda. The only sweetened carbonated beverage I recall
our having at home was ginger ale, which I also always liked.
Al Eisner
> *hoagie
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoagie
<warning: anti Philly propaganda follows>
And here I thought a hoagie was just an imitation submarine or hero.
(For which see same wiki article.)
After all, we couldn't all live on a yellow hoagie. I rest my case.
JC Dill
Do you believe the info in the lawsuits?
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services-mailing-reproduction/4437654-1.html
PepsiCo, Inc., Purchase, NY, has lost an appeal of its
distributor-related case filed against the Coca-Cola Co. in 1998 (ID
July 1 1998). The suit had contended that Coca-Cola violated the Sherman
Anti-Trust Act by attempting to stop independent distributors who carry
their fountain products from selling Pepsi fountain products as well.
The suit struck at the heart of distribution: how it is defined and what
rights a distributor has in terms of its product mix. Pepsi had sought
to stop Coke from entering into "exclusionary agreements" that prohibit
distributors from Carrying Pepsi products.
evergene
Egg creams beat most other beverages, 1982 Petrus included, hands
down.
Golden California Girls
To me each different Coca Cola bottling plant produces a different flavor,
which they admit.
Peter Lawrence
Kinda like Arrowhead bottled water. The bottled water from the original
springs (in Southern California) tastes different from the water they use up
north in the Bay Area.
- Peter
Golden California Girls
No, it is much more than the difference in water. The basic formula is
different. The Coke from the Atlanta plant is much sweeter than the Coke
from the Los Angeles plant, and by design. Coke flavor is renationalized
for the service area of the bottling plant. Don't think for a second that
Pepsi didn't exploit this for the Pepsi Challenge, along with other tricks too.
Golden California Girls
>
> It still leaves a distributor free to carry either Coke or Pepsi
> products, and the restaurant free to choose between them.
>
> I was contending the fact that this makes the restaurnat order from
> yet another supplier, when in fact, restaurants only carry one or
> other's products anyway.
>
> And if they truly wanted to, they could order from both distributors
> (assuming that have space for both lineups, which they don't).
First off if they don't order from one, they are going to give up volume
discounts. Second the machine that dispenses the syrup and carbonated
water is not owned by the restaurant, but by the distributor. The
distributor will refuse to service it if someone else's syrup is dispensed
and in fact my remove it! Now if the restaurant is large enough need of
several machines they could conceivably get them from different
distributors. But wait until the invoice arrives without the loyalty
discount ...
Golden California Girls
> As if the switch to those disgusting Kirkland hot dogs from Kosher hot
> dogs wasn't bad enough, now Costco has dropped Coca-Cola products from
> the food court, and is now serving only Pepsi products.
Speaking of Hebrew National dogs, I see that Smart and Final has them as an
advertised special this week.
SMS
I've seen AM/PM Mini Markets that have both Coke and Pepsi products on tap.
At home I mix grapefruit juice with carbonated water if I feel like a
soda. I don't buy any HFCS soda. In any case since Costco destroyed
their hot dog/Polish sausages I would be unlikely to ever buy soda from
their snack bar anyway.
Michael Sierchio
>> Men should limit iced tea consumption, according to a study by Loyola
>> University's Chicago Stritch School of Medicine’s urology department. It
>> causes kidney stones.
>>
>> I remember hearing this on a radio program as well, it may have been Dr.
>> Dean Edell or someone else citing this study.
>>
>> "http://www.healthnews.com/family-health/mens-health/limiting-iced-tea-may-limit-kidney-stones-men-1819.html"
>
> The article linked above was about the beverage we commonly refer to
> as tea (Camellia sinensis). Rooibos ("redbush") is a different plant.
> The article was written so sloppily, it made me question whether
> anything on that site would be worthwhile.
Also, formation of kidney stones is idiopathic, and unrelated to diet. This
year it's excess magnesium or calcium, last year it was vitamin C. Given
10 people with the same diet, 1 will develop renal calculi.
People should limit their consumption of everything. Some people overconsume
oxygen.
spamtrap1888
> Egg creams beat most other beverages, 1982 Petrus included, hands
> down.
Egg creams contain neither egg nor cream. Discuss.
evergene
The definitions set forth in the Philadelphia DOC charter state that
"...an egg cream must contain either chocolate or vanilla syrup and
carbonated water, and milk or cream. It may also contain whole raw
egg, egg yolk, or egg white, but these are not required ingredients."
The New York DOC is not as rigorous: "...It's an egg cream. You
kiddin' me? What's the bid deal? It's an egg cream."
See http://www.oxford-eggcream-companion.edu/whateveryawant
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream
Al Eisner
Another solution, which I've seen in a number of counter-service
restaurants, is to have only a single machine, but to offer the other
option in cans.
Al Eisner
Well, for one thing, it is incorrect. Egg creams contain, at the very
least, milk, which in turn contains cream.
Peter Lawrence
Not if it's non-fat skim milk!
:)
Al Eisner
> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
>> On May 4, 3:52 pm, evergene <everg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Egg creams beat most other beverages, 1982 Petrus included, hands
>>> down.
>>
>> Egg creams contain neither egg nor cream. Discuss.
>
> The definitions set forth in the Philadelphia DOC charter state that
> "...an egg cream must contain either chocolate or vanilla syrup and
> carbonated water, and milk or cream. It may also contain whole raw
----------------
Seltzer, man, seltzer! Also, I cannot recall any being made with pure
cream, just with milk. Must be those weird Philadelphians again!
> egg, egg yolk, or egg white, but these are not required ingredients."
> The New York DOC is not as rigorous: "...It's an egg cream. You
> kiddin' me? What's the bid deal? It's an egg cream."
>
> See http://www.oxford-eggcream-companion.edu/whateveryawant
> and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream
Nate Edel
Ewww. I don't know if that would still qualify.
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cph
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 11:11:29 -0700, JC Dill wrote:
> > Coke has a higher percent of fountain sales due to unfair business
> > practices with the distributors - a distributor who offers their
> > restaurant customers Coke products can't also offer Pepsi products -
> > Coke will refuse to sell a distributor Coke products if they expand
> > their options to include Pepsi for their customers.
>
> I have never seen a restaurant offer both Pepsi and Coke. Except a
> Chinese restaurant that serves cans.
>
products
off the same fountain.
Golden California Girls
I've seen the owners of my local ARCO's buying from the local Smart and
Final. I wouldn't call Smart and Final a distributor.
axlq
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>I'm eating a CostCo hotdog right now
What, posting to usenet from your iPhone?
>and I'd hardly call them disgusting.
I agree. I think they're pretty good value for the price.
Heck, I've been tempted to buy one for the homeless guy who begs
at the parking lot entrance. Always wondered what they'd do if you
offer something other than money.
-A
Todd Michel McComb
>Always wondered what they'd do if you offer something other than money.
There's not a general answer to that question.
Golden California Girls
Eight out of ten will cuss you out for not giving money.
One out of ten will admit they want cash for booze/drugs.
One out of ten will take it and thank you profusely for their days meal.