Most appalling food?
Jeffrey Lichtman
in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
twinkies.
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>Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
>in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
>twinkies.
I had sushi at Miyake once.
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Peter L
"Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
Go to any county fair or the State Fair in Sacto. That's the only food they
sell. Deep fried anything, cheese, candy bar, usually on a stick.
amalia
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
I have this idea that Twinkies wouldn't really take to frying, that they'd
become an oozing mass of sticky chemicals.
-Amalia
David Opstad
Jeffrey Lichtman <swa...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
I went to the Santa Cruz Boardwalk over the summer, and they sell them
there, too. One of my friends was brave enough to try one, and it was
served with a strawberry sauce. He said it wasn't bad, but I was unable
to muster the courage to follow his lead.
As to my own view on the most appalling food, I'd have to go with the
Ultimate Bacon Cheeseburger from Jack-in-the-Box. The sound of arteries
hardening is practically audible.
Dave
Patti Beadles
After spending six weeks at the casino next door, I eventually managed
to try one. It was surprisingly good, which isn't really a strong
statement.
Mermaids sells them covered in powdered sugar and chocolate sprinkles;
I think I'd back off on those and use chocolate sauce instead.
-Patti
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> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
They had them at the San Mateo County fair. As well as deep fried oreos.
--
Caryn Nadelberg
Mommy to Sam and Queen of the May
Joseph Michael Bay
Why would that be? They're mainly sugar, flour, shortening and eggs
with a smallish amount [1] of totally artificial stuff ("chemicals").
[1] As in "2% or less", not "no artificial preservatives". They
do have a shelf-life of like a month, which is pretty long for
baked goods[2].
[2] Or baked bads, even.
Gleb Arshinov
amalia> "Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
amalia> news:3F675D13...@rcn.com...
>> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair in Albany
>> and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried twinkies.
amalia> I have this idea that Twinkies wouldn't really take to
amalia> frying, that they'd become an oozing mass of sticky
amalia> chemicals.
I think they are frozen before frying.
Gleb
alee
last summer. It sounds like the "invention" started at the state fair
in Milwaukee. Deep-fried Snickers bars, Twinkies, Oreos, etc. Gag!
Did anyone catch Cook's Tour when Bordain went to the Mall of America in
Minnesota? He tried the deep-fried cheesecake in the food court. After
taking a bite, I think he muttered something like "god, this is bad." I
nodded my head in agreement.
--A
pltrgyst
wrote:
>Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
>in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
>twinkies.
A Food TV show about Minneapolis showed several places selling
deep-fried cheese curds. Is that competitive?
-- Larry
alee
> A Food TV show about Minneapolis showed several places selling
> deep-fried cheese curds. Is that competitive?
Deep-fried cheese curds == deep-fried cheddar cheese
IMHO, not much different than the fried mozarella that's been around for
ages. So to answer your question... No, not competitive at all. ;)
--A
alee
Get your (deep-fried) tums ready before reading. BTW, I think I'll pass
on the turds on a stick.
--A
amalia
news:bk7v8d$edr$1...@news.Stanford.EDU...
> "amalia" <amaliaxe...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> >"Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> >news:3F675D13...@rcn.com...
> >> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> >> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> >> twinkies.
>
> >I have this idea that Twinkies wouldn't really take to frying, that
they'd
> >become an oozing mass of sticky chemicals.
>
> Why would that be? They're mainly sugar, flour, shortening and eggs
> with a smallish amount [1] of totally artificial stuff ("chemicals").
My reaction is more visceral than scientific, based on the taste memory of
the last Twinkie I consumed, probably 20 years ago. They sure don't taste
that natural.
ObFood(since Twinkies aren't): Made the braised short ribs from the November
Fine Cooking last night. Absolutely delicious. I do think they've gotten a
little ahead of themselves, quite literally. I received the Oct-Nov issue on
September 11.
-Amalia
amalia
news:p0N9b.87021$mp.3...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> "Heaven on a Stick" - http://www.paintedfishstudio.com/statefair/
>
> Get your (deep-fried) tums ready before reading. BTW, I think I'll pass
> on the turds on a stick.
Speaking of turds, I just heard of the most appalling baby shower game: a
variety of chocolate bars are unwrapped and each is placed into a folded
diaper. The contestants pass the diapers around, and take a peak to guess
what kind of bar they are looking at. The one who gets the most right gets
to eat the chocolate bars.
I suppose I should have changed the subject line to "Most appalling food
presentation."
-Amalia
Steve Wertz
<gleb-usenet-b....@usenet.barsook.com> wrote:
>I think they are frozen before frying.
They're battered. That keeps them from becoming a sponge.
-sw
pltrgyst
>pltrgyst wrote:
>> A Food TV show about Minneapolis showed several places selling
>> deep-fried cheese curds. Is that competitive?
>
>Deep-fried cheese curds == deep-fried cheddar cheese
Don't think so. The poutine I've had didn't taste anything like
cheddar cheese. 8;)
-- Larry
Dennis Suchta
Scotland)shows where just about anything was deep fried (Quater Pounder
made it but the Big Mac broke up). Deep fried twinkies were a success.
Dennis
Dennis Suchta
just need the grease.
Dennis
Dennis Suchta
to a batter.
Dennis
Dennis Suchta
a BBQ sauce - was addictive with cold beer.
Dennis
Tim May
Opstad <ops...@batnet.com> wrote:
They your hearing is defective.
The bacon? Two small pieces.
The cheese? The same slice or two of American cheese found on most
cheeseburgers and double cheeseburgers. The bacon is just a garnish.
Left as an excercise is to compare the amount of saturated fat in the
entire thing to a couple of brats.
Or even to a conventional Denny's Grand Slam of more bacon than the
UBC, plus eggs, plus hashbrowns fried in oil, plus other goodies.
--Tim May
Mickey Zalusky
> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
Last season's television show, "The Amazing Race", had contestants
eating live small octopus - they said this is a common food in eaten in
Korea. The octopus' tentacles would cling to the eater's teeth making
it very difficult to swallow. Those fried twinkies are sounding pretty
good right now!
Mickey
IBM
news:bk7s0q$9m9$1...@blue.rahul.net:
> They sell them at Mermaids, a small casino in downtown Las Vegas.
> After spending six weeks at the casino next door, I eventually managed
> to try one. It was surprisingly good, which isn't really a strong
> statement.
After six weeks buried in the depths of a casino, I'm sure
many things would take on an surprising allure.
What on earth were you....
Oh wait a minute aren't you a play poker....
IBM
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IBM
news:56M9b.478598$o%2.211556@sccrnsc02:
OK, here we are 7 messages deep into the thread and nobodies mentioned
deep fried Mars Bars and Iron Bru.
amalia
news:160920031948221823%tim...@removethis.got.net...
What's the point of comparing the Bacon Ultimate Cheeseburger to other
high-fat foods? We can argue about the RDA for fat, but at 75 grams of fat
per, the BUC weighs in well above a normal meal.
http://www.jackinthebox.com/ourfood/index.php?section=7
-Amalia
Meg Worley
>Last season's television show, "The Amazing Race", had contestants
>eating live small octopus - they said this is a common food in eaten in
>Korea. The octopus' tentacles would cling to the eater's teeth making
>it very difficult to swallow. Those fried twinkies are sounding pretty
>good right now!
As I've mentioned before, I've had the live baby octopus (in Japan,
not Korea). They stop resisting as soon as you bite down on their
bodies, plus they're really tasty, so my vote remains with the
Twinkies. Au naturel, though -- deep-frying could only improve them.
Rage away,
meg
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Patti Beadles
IBM <i...@svpal.org> wrote:
> OK, here we are 7 messages deep into the thread and nobodies mentioned
> deep fried Mars Bars and Iron Bru.
Can't speak to the former, but there's a shop near my house (in
Oakland) that sells Irn-Bru. Yum!
-Patti
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Patti Beadles
IBM <i...@svpal.org> wrote:
> After six weeks buried in the depths of a casino, I'm sure
> many things would take on an surprising allure.
> What on earth were you....
> Oh wait a minute aren't you a play poker....
It's true, I do. I went to Vegas from mid-April to late May for the
World Series of Poker. (Tip: if you're going to do this, rent an
apartment... don't stay in a casino for that length of time.) If you
happen to see the first episode of this year's WSOP on ESPN, you can
catch a glimpse of me with last year's champion, Rob Varkonyi, as he
busts out.
ObFood: the steakhouse at Binion's Horseshoe is most excellent. The
beef still comes from the Binion family ranch, I believe.
Michael Sierchio
> David Opstad <ops...@batnet.com> wrote:
>>... The sound of arteries
>>hardening is practically audible.
>
> They your hearing is defective.
It's the stress that's gonna kill you, Tim.
Peter L
"amalia" <amaliaxe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Joseph Michael Bay" <jm...@Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
> news:bk7v8d$edr$1...@news.Stanford.EDU...
> > "amalia" <amaliaxe...@comcast.net> writes:
> >
> > >"Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3F675D13...@rcn.com...
> > >> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> > >> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> > >> twinkies.
> >
> > >I have this idea that Twinkies wouldn't really take to frying, that
> they'd
> > >become an oozing mass of sticky chemicals.
> >
> > Why would that be? They're mainly sugar, flour, shortening and eggs
> > with a smallish amount [1] of totally artificial stuff ("chemicals").
>
> My reaction is more visceral than scientific, based on the taste memory of
> the last Twinkie I consumed, probably 20 years ago. They sure don't taste
> that natural.
>
There is a new commercial (of what I have no idea). Guy buys a twinkie at a
convenient store, takes a straw, and sticks it in the twinkie to suck up the
filling. Voice over said, get to the good part first.
Steven Scharf
> Jeffrey Lichtman <swa...@rcn.com> writes:
>
> >Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> >in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> >twinkies.
>
ROTFLMAO!
Miyake is proof that bad restaurants exist because there
are people that enjoy eating lousy food. I just cannot
believe how crowded it is. It is cheap though (went
there once, never again).
Some good rules to follow:
1. Eat Japanese food only at Japanese-run Japanese
restaurants, not Chinese-run Japanese restaurants.
2. Eat Thai food only at Thai-run Thai restaurants,
not Chinese-run Thai restaurants.
3. Eat Jewish food only at Jewish run-restaurants,
not Chinese run Jewish restaurants.
4. It's fine to eat Chinese food at Chinese-run
Chinese restaurants, as long as there is no buffet
and no steam tables.
I can say this, because my wife is Chinese and made
these rules. Following these rules doesn't guarantee
a good meal. Not following them usually guarantees a
bad meal.
Pizza is iffy. You don't have to be Italian to make
good pizza, and some of the worst pizza places are
Italian (Cicero's, Amici's). One of the best pizza
places in San Jose is run by Filipinos (Quicksilver
in Almaden). Another excellent pizza place is Premier
Pizza in Rivermark, where the owners appear to be
Irish, based on their name.
Joseph Michael Bay
>In article <opstad-085A23....@news.inreach.com>, David
>Opstad <ops...@batnet.com> wrote:
>> As to my own view on the most appalling food, I'd have to go with the
>> Ultimate Bacon Cheeseburger from Jack-in-the-Box. The sound of arteries
>> hardening is practically audible.
>They your hearing is defective.
>The bacon? Two small pieces.
They must not have liked you, because that's what the regular
one (the Penultimate, or "Bacon Bacon" Cheeseburger) has.
>The cheese? The same slice or two of American cheese found on most
>cheeseburgers and double cheeseburgers. The bacon is just a garnish.
>Left as an excercise is to compare the amount of saturated fat in the
>entire thing to a couple of brats.
28 grams in the burger, about 10 in 100 grams of brat, and the
burger is 350g altogether so the same mass of bratwurst has more
saturated fat than the burger (counting the entire sandwich as
burger mass, assuming a perfectly spherical frictionless bun of
uniform density, in a vacuum).
Geoff Miller
Mickey Zalusky <mic...@zalusky.com> writes:
> Last season's television show, "The Amazing Race", had
> contestants eating live small octopus - they said this
> is a common food in eaten in Korea.
So I take it that Orientals were the race in question?
Then again, when I first heard of the movie "The Great
White Hope," I assumed it was a documentary about sickle-
cell anemia...
Geoff
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The difference is that drugs have a future." -- Fred Reed
Karen O'Mara
>
>
> The cheese? The same slice or two of American cheese found on most
> cheeseburgers and double cheeseburgers. The bacon is just a garnish.
>
> Left as an excercise is to compare the amount of saturated fat in the
> entire thing to a couple of brats.
>
> Or even to a conventional Denny's Grand Slam of more bacon than the
> UBC, plus eggs, plus hashbrowns fried in oil, plus other goodies.
I am thinking the ultimate cheeseburger has four slices of cheese, not
two, Tim. The burger must be 1200 calories, so some of those calories
must come from cheese (@ 100 calories per slice).
I had a 99cent McD's double-cheesburger the other day. I think there
were four slices of cheese on it. It was very hot and cheesy and well,
once or twice a year, it can't be all that bad for me, can it?..
Especially, if I counter it with a daily dose of North Dakota flax
seed.
hee!
Karen
Karen O'Mara
>
> It's true, I do. I went to Vegas from mid-April to late May for the
> World Series of Poker. (Tip: if you're going to do this, rent an
> apartment... don't stay in a casino for that length of time.) If you
> happen to see the first episode of this year's WSOP on ESPN, you can
> catch a glimpse of me with last year's champion, Rob Varkonyi, as he
> busts out.
I watch that all the time! When will this episode air?...
Karen
Patti Beadles
Karen O'Mara <kso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If you
>> happen to see the first episode of this year's WSOP on ESPN, you can
>> catch a glimpse of me with last year's champion, Rob Varkonyi, as he
>> busts out.
>I watch that all the time! When will this episode air?...
I haven't a clue... I don't pay the least bit of attention because I
don't have cable and I never watch TV. I know that it's already aired
several times already, but is probably being rerun from time to time.
-Patti
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Jon Nadelberg
> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
I ate that at the San Mateo County Fair.
It tasted like a Twinkie that had been deep fried.
The next day, I started a diet.
IBM
> In article <Xns93F8E0DCDB...@129.250.168.14>,
> IBM <i...@svpal.org> wrote:
>> OK, here we are 7 messages deep into the thread and nobodies
>> mentioned deep fried Mars Bars and Iron Bru.
>
> Can't speak to the former, but there's a shop near my house (in
> Oakland) that sells Irn-Bru. Yum!
Supermarkets in the wilds of Canada carry it!
mango boy
mouton vieux art and wine festival almost two weekends ago.
orlando
In article <3F677CB0...@pacbell.net>,
Caryn Nadelberg <car...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Jeffrey Lichtman wrote:
>> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
>> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
>> twinkies.
>
>They had them at the San Mateo County fair. As well as deep fried oreos.
>
>--
>Caryn Nadelberg
>Mommy to Sam and Queen of the May
>
Leila
Steven Scharf wrote:
>
> jm...@Stanford.EDU (Joseph Michael Bay) wrote in message news:<bk7mi0$595$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
> > Jeffrey Lichtman <swa...@rcn.com> writes:
> >
> > >Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> > >in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> > >twinkies.
> >
> > I had sushi at Miyake once.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> Miyake is proof that bad restaurants exist because there
> are people that enjoy eating lousy food. I just cannot
> believe how crowded it is. It is cheap though (went
> there once, never again).
>
> Some good rules to follow:
> 1. Eat Japanese food only at Japanese-run Japanese
> restaurants, not Chinese-run Japanese restaurants.
> 2. Eat Thai food only at Thai-run Thai restaurants,
> not Chinese-run Thai restaurants.
> 3. Eat Jewish food only at Jewish run-restaurants,
> not Chinese run Jewish restaurants.
> 4. It's fine to eat Chinese food at Chinese-run
> Chinese restaurants, as long as there is no buffet
> and no steam tables.
Arabs usually make pretty good pizza IN THE USA. I saw more Arabs in
pizzerias in New York City than I do in the Bay Area, however.
(OT) Pizza in the Arab world is another story. There you are better off
sticking with local flatbreads, spinach or meat pies, manaqish (wild
marjoram & olive oil pizza). Although there's a pretty darned good pizza
place near the American University of Beirut. BUt this could be due to
cross-fertilization with American pizzerias. There's also a really good
sandwich place on the corner of Bliss Street and Rue Jeanne D'arc that
is run by the former gyro king of Greensboro, North Carolina, a family
friend.
I just met an Arab-American here in Oakland who was introduced to me as
the man who got the Bay Area coffee bar scene going. I don't have any
way of verifying this claim - he didn't make it, but he said he owns 60
cafes in the area. I have noticed a strong correlation between cafe
personnel and the ARab world here in the Bay Area. I thought it was just
one of those things, like Koreans owning produce markets in New York.
But now it seems that if this one guy owns 60 cafes, and he hires lots
of (but not exclusively) Arabs, then that explains the trend.
Anyway, I won't insist that all ARab-American cafes make great coffee.
They *ought* to, considering the history Arabs have with coffee.
If you want to start a flame war, try discussing Arabic food served in
Israeli cafes.
I am working on peaceful, constructive Jewish/Arab dialogue so I won't
develop that topic.
Regarding intra-Arab food wars - don't eat Moroccan food in a Lebanese
restaurant, and don't eat Lebanese food in an Egyptian restaurant.
Lebanese food is really good but in general they ruin Moroccan food.
Egyptian cuisine is polyglot and sometimes very good, but in general
they get Lebanese food very wrong.
Leila
notbob
> I think blood is more appalling than Twinkies.
>
> There have been times when I've really enjoyed bun bo Hue or blood
> sausage, but other times... yuck.
>
> Pig uterus is up there also.
Howzabout pig's feet? It's bad enough to eat something that walks
around in shit all day, but what's to eat!? A couple of strands of
muscle fiber buried in maze of fat, gristle, and keratin? I don't get
it.
nb
Frank Rizzo
you guys are alfalfa sprouts.
"Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:3F675D13...@rcn.com...
> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
> --
> - Jeff Lichtman
> swa...@rcn.com
> Check out Swazoo Koolak's Web Jukebox at
> http://swazoo.com/
>
Tim May
<nos...@thisaddress.please.org> wrote:
> I've heard of that, but surprised it would be sold in Berkeley. I thought
> you guys are alfalfa sprouts.
>
>
> "Jeffrey Lichtman" <swa...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3F675D13...@rcn.com...
> > Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> > in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> > twinkies.
The deep-fried Twinkies are sold right next door to Fishem, Feinstein,
and Goldberg, a firm specializing in lawsuits against junk food
companies.
--Tim May
Meg Worley
>It tasted like a Twinkie that had been deep fried.
That's what my spinach piroshki looked like yesterday (at Mishka's
in Davis). I mean, *exactly* like. I thought of this thread and
verified with the barrista that it was indeed a spinach piroshki and
not a deep-fried Twinkie. Unfortunately, it didn't taste as good as
a DFT -- hardened dough, bland filling, generally unappetizing, all
of which I would expect of a DFT but at least there would be a little
sweetness and the nostalgic taste of sodium pyrophosphate.
ian maclure
Scharf" <sch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Some good rules to follow:
> 1. Eat Japanese food only at Japanese-run Japanese
> restaurants, not Chinese-run Japanese restaurants.
How about japanese run by Koreans?
> 2. Eat Thai food only at Thai-run Thai restaurants,
> not Chinese-run Thai restaurants.
> 3. Eat Jewish food only at Jewish run-restaurants,
> not Chinese run Jewish restaurants.
Messers Ginzberg and Wong won't like that.
> 4. It's fine to eat Chinese food at Chinese-run
> Chinese restaurants, as long as there is no buffet and no steam
> tables.
> I can say this, because my wife is Chinese and made these rules.
So you get home made Chinese food and your expectations differ.
> Following these rules doesn't guarantee a good meal. Not following them
> usually guarantees a bad meal.
Not necessarily, there are buffets where the food is hot fresh and
tasty.
ian maclure
wrote:
[snip]
> Arabs usually make pretty good pizza IN THE USA. I saw more Arabs in
> pizzerias in New York City than I do in the Bay Area, however.
For many years pizza in Nova Scotia was more often than not,
made in Lebanese owned shops. Usually pretty good although
I'm not sure if you can call them "Arabs" any more since they are
a local community of long standing ( couple or 3 generations ).
Montreal had a plethora of Greek owned pizzerias.
All however used Saputo cheeses for the beneficial effect it had on
their property and worker's comp insurance rates though.
> Regarding intra-Arab food wars - don't eat Moroccan food in a Lebanese
> restaurant, and don't eat Lebanese food in an Egyptian restaurant.
> Lebanese food is really good but in general they ruin Moroccan food.
> Egyptian cuisine is polyglot and sometimes very good, but in general
> they get Lebanese food very wrong.
How about Moroccan in some other Maghrebi run establishment?
Algerian/Tunisian->Moroccan and vice-versa.
> Leila
Chester
>Miyake is proof that bad restaurants exist because there
>are people that enjoy eating lousy food. I just cannot
>believe how crowded it is. It is cheap though (went
>there once, never again).
>
>Some good rules to follow:
> 1. Eat Japanese food only at Japanese-run Japanese
> restaurants, not Chinese-run Japanese restaurants.
> 2. Eat Thai food only at Thai-run Thai restaurants,
> not Chinese-run Thai restaurants.
> 3. Eat Jewish food only at Jewish run-restaurants,
> not Chinese run Jewish restaurants.
> 4. It's fine to eat Chinese food at Chinese-run
> Chinese restaurants, as long as there is no buffet
> and no steam tables.
>
>I can say this, because my wife is Chinese and made
>these rules.
You can say that because they're not terribly bad rules to follow...of
course, you can interchange all those ethnicities with other ones, so
long as X and Y don't match.
But, yeah...Chinese-run sushi places are usually more about price than
quality. So don't go unless you're concerned with price than quality.
Ditto insofar as the other examples go.
I've found that Chinese-run fish'n'chips places can be pretty good,
for whatever reason.
Oh, and Blowfish Sushi would seem to indicate that you should also
avoid Caucasian-run Japanese places. Or, to be more specific, just
avoid DJ-run Japanese places.
Miyake's is Chinese-run?
Chester
Nina S. Hevern
> Jeffrey Lichtman <swa...@rcn.com> writes:
>
>
>>Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
>>in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
>>twinkies.
>
>
> I had sushi at Miyake once.
>
No kidding . . . the cafeteria at Sun had Miyake sushi at the
International Food counter today -- unfortunately (fortunately?) no one
was in line for it. Ties with Ariake for worst sushi I've ever had.
Cheers,
Nina
Nina S. Hevern
> Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
The home-made noodles at Ma's Restaurant on Shoreline. Yuck.
Cheers,
Nina
Tim May
<ni...@hevern.net> wrote:
This makes the umpteenth report of crummy or mediocre sushi I've seen
here in the past few weeks. Several people have made lists of all the
bad sushi they've had.
This matches my own experience, that most sushi in the Bay Area, at
least at the places affordable by mortals, is just a glob of rice with
a bit of seafood in it.
(I did have some memorable sushi at a place in Los Gatos a few years
ago. Tres spendy!)
Mostly I view sushi as a carrier for wasabi/soy, so the usual rice
rolls with something vaguely salmon- or eel-colored inside manage to
get the job done.
But with so many reports of crummy sushi, I wonder why people still
expect greatness?
--Tim May
Betty Lee
+ But with so many reports of crummy sushi, I wonder why people still
+ expect greatness?
Because we read more of the newsgroup than just the negative posts?
I have the ba.food posters to thank for introducing me to a lot of
really good sushi places.
alee
> No kidding . . . the cafeteria at Sun had Miyake sushi at the
> International Food counter today -- unfortunately (fortunately?) no one
> was in line for it. Ties with Ariake for worst sushi I've ever had.
I was under the impression that Miyake and Ariake were under the same
ownership. Whether true or not, I agree with your assessment. Avoid at
all costs unless you enjoy someone to screaming gibberish at you which
they think is Japanese. "Shay!!!"
--A
alee
> But with so many reports of crummy sushi, I wonder why people still
> expect greatness?
Because greatness -has- been reported here...and greatness -can- be had
in the Bay Area?
--A
ian maclure
<ni...@hevern.net> wrote:
[snip]
> No kidding . . . the cafeteria at Sun had Miyake sushi at the
> International Food counter today -- unfortunately (fortunately?) no one
> was in line for it. Ties with Ariake for worst sushi I've ever had.
Maybe they expect food poisoning to help them with their
headcount issues.
<fade to vignette>
McNeally: <frowning>
<speed dials HR>
HR: Sun Microsystems Human Resources.
How may I assist you?
McNeally: Scott here. We need to cut a few thousand
more.
HR: Sure thing boss. I've got Miyake on speed-dial.
IBM
ian maclure
<chester [at] mushroomgravy [dot] org> wrote:
[snip]
> I've found that Chinese-run fish'n'chips places can be pretty good, for
> whatever reason.
Asked my boss ( Taiwanese originally ) about a particular "Fish n'
Chips" joint years ago. Basically why the name when AFAIK it
was a Taiwanese lunch joint complete with tiny silvery fish.
He said something to the effect that they would make you "Fish n'
Chips" if you asked but that you really didn't want to ask.
Joseph Michael Bay
>This makes the umpteenth report of crummy or mediocre sushi I've seen
>here in the past few weeks. Several people have made lists of all the
>bad sushi they've had.
>This matches my own experience, that most sushi in the Bay Area, at
>least at the places affordable by mortals, is just a glob of rice with
>a bit of seafood in it.
>(I did have some memorable sushi at a place in Los Gatos a few years
>ago. Tres spendy!)
>Mostly I view sushi as a carrier for wasabi/soy, so the usual rice
>rolls with something vaguely salmon- or eel-colored inside manage to
>get the job done.
>But with so many reports of crummy sushi, I wonder why people still
>expect greatness?
I figure people will talk about bad sushi, since it's such
a bad experience, but sushi that lives up to expectations but
is otherwise unremarkable often goes, well, unremarked-on, I guess.
Like Tengu Sushi in the Stanford Barn -- it's not bad, not
great, no-frills inexpensive sushi, and it's pretty uncommon
that you get anything unpleasant.
Homma's near California Ave (Palo Alto) is in my opinion a
better place which has actually been remarked on here.
Betty Lee
+ Nina S. Hevern wrote:
+ > No kidding . . . the cafeteria at Sun had Miyake sushi at the
+ > International Food counter today -- unfortunately (fortunately?) no one
+ > was in line for it. Ties with Ariake for worst sushi I've ever had.
+
+ I was under the impression that Miyake and Ariake were under the same
+ ownership. Whether true or not, I agree with your assessment. Avoid at
+ all costs unless you enjoy someone to screaming gibberish at you which
+ they think is Japanese. "Shay!!!"
The yelling is tolerable compared to the noise levels of other places I've
been, and Miyake Cupertino had an okay grilled saba the last time I went
(just too many bones) and my partner's beef teri wasn't bad. I _would_
recommend avoiding the raw fish -- a friend ordered a nigiri special,
and it look rather sickly. But, they have a sufficient variety of other
stuff that avoiding the raw fish there is really easy to do (assuming
you don't sit at the bar).
Jo Ann Malina
> In article <3F675D13...@rcn.com>,
> Jeffrey Lichtman <swa...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>Can you top this? At the Solano Stroll (a street fair
>>in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
>>twinkies.
>
>
> There have been times when I've really enjoyed bun bo Hue or blood
> sausage, but other times... yuck.
>
> Pig uterus is up there also.
Mmmm -- time to go off to Hunan Garden for "tripe in an iron pot" --
slices of (presumably) pork stomach with cubes of blood. Very spicy.
Very good.
Now me, I think liver is disgusting, unless disguised with enough
spices and fat (as in chopped liver or liver sausage) that it doesn't
taste like liver any more.
Krispy Kremes are right up there too. Makes my mouth pucker just
to think about the sugar slam.
--
Jo Ann Malina, make spamthis best to find my address
Taste...is the only morality...Tell me what you like, and I'll tell
you what you are. -- John Ruskin, "The Crown of Wild Olive"
John S. Watson
> in Albany and Berkeley) I saw a stand selling deep fried
> twinkies.
NPR "Living on Earth" this weekend did a story about
the great apes being driven to extinction by killing
them all for meat.
For the gory details (literally) go to:
http://www.loe.org/archives/030917.php
I guess they haven't been watching any of those
saturday morning french cooking shows on PBS,
which emphasize (as Adam from "Northern Exposure" would say) "PRESENTATION!".
JW
Frank Rizzo
"Meg Worley" <m...@steam.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
news:bk8pv6$7hh$1...@news.Stanford.EDU...
> Mickey Zalusky writes:
> >Last season's television show, "The Amazing Race", had contestants
> >eating live small octopus - they said this is a common food in eaten in
> >Korea. The octopus' tentacles would cling to the eater's teeth making
> >it very difficult to swallow. Those fried twinkies are sounding pretty
> >good right now!
>
> As I've mentioned before, I've had the live baby octopus (in Japan,
> not Korea). They stop resisting as soon as you bite down on their
> bodies, plus they're really tasty, so my vote remains with the
> Twinkies. Au naturel, though -- deep-frying could only improve them.
Steven M. Scharf
"Chester" <chester [at] mushroomgravy [dot] org> wrote in message
news:3kokmvgf4l75o1174...@4ax.com...
> You can say that because they're not terribly bad rules to follow...of
> course, you can interchange all those ethnicities with other ones, so
> long as X and Y don't match.
Except that what typically happens is that a Chinese restaurant
owner realizes that it's impossible to make any money with a
Chinese restaurant due the intense competition, and opens a
Japanese or Thai or Burmese restaurant. With a Thai restaurant,
look for a picture of the king and queen; for some reason the
Chinese owners don't usually bother to put up the required picture.
It's harder with a Japanese restaurant, you have to listen to the
language the staff is speaking.
Now what really scared me was going to Helmand (Afghan)
in San Francisco, and noting that most of the staff was Chinese.
But I think that it is still Afghan-owned.
It would be very unusual for Thai or Japanese or Jewish people
to open a Chinese restaurant.
David Arnstein
Weird and Disgusting Foods" at http://www.andreas.com/food.html.
Don't do it immediately before or after a meal. For you enthusiasts,
search for the word maggot.
--
David Arnstein
arnstei...@pobox.com
John S. Watson
> Mickey Zalusky writes:
> >Last season's television show, "The Amazing Race", had contestants
> >eating live small octopus - they said this is a common food in eaten in
> >Korea. The octopus' tentacles would cling to the eater's teeth making
> >it very difficult to swallow. Those fried twinkies are sounding pretty
> >good right now!
>
> As I've mentioned before, I've had the live baby octopus (in Japan,
> not Korea). They stop resisting as soon as you bite down on their
> bodies, plus they're really tasty, so my vote remains with the
> Twinkies. Au naturel, though -- deep-frying could only improve them.
How do you know they were baby octopi,
and not just little adult octopi?
Was the big mother octopus in a tank nearby,
pounding her eight tenticles against the glass,
and yelling in octopussian, "Noooooooo! Bastaaarrds!"?
JW
Obfood: NY steak I BBQed sunday which got at Safeway for $1.10.
Only $1.10, because for some reason their scales must have been fecked up,
because the package said it was 1/4th pounds, whereas it was more like
3/4 pound. So it was priced at $3.10 instead of $9 (being something
like$12/pound). But it also had a "$2 off" tag, because they wanted
to sell it before the expiration date.
BBQed it my favorite way: stuffed with lots of garlic, covered in ground
black pepper, and rosemary, and marinaded in soy-sauce and olive oil,
and grilled over mequite charcoal.
Paul Russell
> For a comprehensive look at weird foods, check out "Ray's List of
> Weird and Disgusting Foods" at http://www.andreas.com/food.html.
>
> Don't do it immediately before or after a meal. For you enthusiasts,
> search for the word maggot.
I think the guy is just plain picky - how could anyone find okra "weird
and disgusting" ?
Psul
Leila
I've had this conversation with Ray himself. The point is not that he,
Ray, finds the food weird and disgusting, it's that some people or whole
cultures do.
IIRC, cheese is on there. There are some cultures that find cheese both
revolting and mystifying.
You mean you extract breast fluids, then curdle them with bacteria? Then
you eat the remains?
But I don't remember if cheese is on Ray's site, or if I read this
somewhere else - article on yak cheese or something.
Leila
> Psul
Leila
Leila wrote:
>
> Paul Russell wrote:
> >
> > David Arnstein wrote:
> >
> > > For a comprehensive look at weird foods, check out "Ray's List of
> > > Weird and Disgusting Foods" at http://www.andreas.com/food.html.
> > >
> > > Don't do it immediately before or after a meal. For you enthusiasts,
> > > search for the word maggot.
> >
> > I think the guy is just plain picky - how could anyone find okra "weird
> > and disgusting" ?
> >
>
> I've had this conversation with Ray himself. The point is not that he,
> Ray, finds the food weird and disgusting, it's that some people or whole
> cultures do.
And now I remember the actual weird food Ray and I discussed: fruitcake.
He loves fruitcake. Many people find it disgusting. (I love it too, if
it's homemade and dark. I never give away fruitcakes without making very
sure that the recipient appreciates them)
Leila
Paul Russell
>
> IIRC, cheese is on there. There are some cultures that find cheese both
> revolting and mystifying.
>
> You mean you extract breast fluids, then curdle them with bacteria? Then
> you eat the remains?
>
> But I don't remember if cheese is on Ray's site, or if I read this
> somewhere else - article on yak cheese or something.
>
You're right - cheese is on there - but then cheese /is/ weird and
disgusting, as are all dairy products, for the reasons you mention above
and others.
But then again, I'm a hypocrite - many years ago, before I became vegan,
I used to enjoy French cheeses - the really disgusting stinking ones
that smell just like cow shit. They more disgusting they smelled the
more I enjoyed them. I don't think you have real cheese like this in
America, jut the "cheese food" type products ?
Paul
Icono Clast
> the really disgusting stinking [cheeses] that smell just like cow shit.
> you have real cheese like this in America, jut the "cheese food" type
> products ?
"What's that?" I asked m'mother about the odor in the kitchen when I was about 10.
"Liederkranz. It's a cheese. Want some?"
"Smells like horseshit."
"Yes, but it tastes good. Here, try it."
Did. Liked it. Still do.
____________________________________________________________
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John S. Watson
>
> You mean you extract breast fluids, then curdle them with bacteria? Then
> you eat the remains?
Why is this weird?
Ever mammal that ever lived on the planet has drunk "milk",
sometime in their lives. Including every human and ever culture on
the planet.
And most of us like beer and wine, which is made in a similar process,
i.e., using "god's little creatures".
Obfood: favorite appalling food from last week's Sun conference:
deep fried artichoke hearts, stuffed with parmesan cheese.
Joseph Michael Bay
>And now I remember the actual weird food Ray and I discussed: fruitcake.
>He loves fruitcake. Many people find it disgusting. (I love it too, if
>it's homemade and dark. I never give away fruitcakes without making very
>sure that the recipient appreciates them)
I've never heard anyone say the found fruitcake disgusting. Very
few people have actually said they *like* it, but that's different.
Paul Russell
>
> Why is this weird?
> Ever mammal that ever lived on the planet has drunk "milk",
> sometime in their lives. Including every human and ever culture on
> the planet.
>
I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
ObFood: fake hedgehog sloppy joes made from seitan.
Paul
Margarita Lacabe
@typhoon.sonic.net:
> I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
> drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
> hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
And I can't think of any other species that dresses themselves with the
skins of other species, or cultivates the land, or raises animals (leaving
ants aside), etc. etc. Yes, humans are different.
--
Margarita Lacabe - ma...@lacabe.com - http://www.lacabe.com/marga/
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Queenie
wrote:
>Paul Russell <prus...@sonic.net> wrote in news:10%bb.23702$dk4.757468
>@typhoon.sonic.net:
>
>> I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
>> drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
>> hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
One example of many:
http://www.savannahnow.com/stories/040702/LOCcatdog.shtml
>And I can't think of any other species that dresses themselves with the
>skins of other species,
Hermit crabs!
>or cultivates the land, or raises animals (leaving
>ants aside), etc. etc. Yes, humans are different.
Not as different as we'd like to imagine, though.
~Queenie, Oppositional
Meg Worley
I wrote:
>> As I've mentioned before, I've had the live baby octopus (in Japan,
>> not Korea). They stop resisting as soon as you bite down on their
>> bodies, plus they're really tasty, so my vote remains with the
>> Twinkies.
JohnW writes:
>How do you know they were baby octopi, and not just little adult octopi?
Because their little diapers got stuck in my teeth, duh.
ObFood: I did a friend's recipe for eggplant parmesan on the grill
last night -- grill slices of eggplant, top with tomatoes and a
cheese/herb/breadcrumb mixture. In principle it was good; in practice
it wasn't great.
Betty Lee
> I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
> drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
> hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
<pirat...@unziphere.ziplip.com> wrote:
+ One example of many:
+ http://www.savannahnow.com/stories/040702/LOCcatdog.shtml
But I don't imagine any non-human species are housing and feeding a large
number of milk providers from other species just so they can provide milk.
+ >And I can't think of any other species that dresses themselves with the
+ >skins of other species,
+
+ Hermit crabs!
But hermit crabs don't make extensive modifications -- such as killing
the host or cutting their new garments to the proper size.
+ >Yes, humans are different.
+
+ Not as different as we'd like to imagine, though.
I think we _are_ that different. Whether we got here by cunning,
opposable thumbs, sheer dumb luck, social ineptitude, or Creator decree,
I don't think any other species has shown the combined intent and power to
affect so many other species. Whether we're killing bacteria and whales,
domesticating bees and cows, harnessing creatures for dairy and medicine,
or changing the genetic structure of plants and growth patterns of food
animals, I just don't see any other creature having so much simultaneous
desire and success in changing so many diverse things around them on such
a large scale. I don't know if this makes us cursed (maybe all the other
animals are shaking their heads at all these obnoxiously clueless human
neighbors) or blessed (maybe we _are_ the children of God and, as such,
have the ability to reshape world). But, I'm pretty sure we're different
in a very big way.
John S. Watson
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:10:12 GMT, Margarita Lacabe <ma...@lacabe.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Paul Russell <prus...@sonic.net> wrote in news:10%bb.23702$dk4.757468
> >@typhoon.sonic.net:
> >
> >> I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
> >> drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
> >> hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
Hedgehogs do? I never heard that. What do they do ...
sneak up on people while they're asleep?
>
> One example of many:
> http://www.savannahnow.com/stories/040702/LOCcatdog.shtml
>
> >And I can't think of any other species that dresses themselves with the
> >skins of other species,
>
> Hermit crabs!
Probably not many species that need to, either.
> >or cultivates the land, or raises animals (leaving
> >ants aside), etc. etc. Yes, humans are different.
>
> Not as different as we'd like to imagine, though.
Not many species that have figured out how
to make beer and wine either. Although
I imagine that sometime back in the mists of time,
some animal came across fermenting grapes and berries
and got drunk from them. Just none other than
humans have figured out how to make it happen whenever
they want.
And not many species cook their food either.
I'm not sure I know of any that do, besides humans.
Now cultivate land or raise other species (besides ants ...) hmmm.
Seems like I've watched "Nature" long enough that
I should be able to think of more examples (besides the ants)! :-)
Beavers? Honey bees? Squirrels? Bears?
Except for whales, dolphins, elephant or octopi, I doubt if there is anything
with big enough brains that could possibly do it consciously
(i.e., I'll plant X today and come back in a couple of weeks
and reap Y).
JW
Obbeer: don't recall mentioning this, but I had some tasty beers
last week at the Thirsty Bear Brewery (next to the Moscone Center).
The bartender let me sample about 4 of them for free (the Belgian Wit,
Irish Stout, ESB and IPA), before choose a 20oz of the IPA.
Joseph Michael Bay
>Not many species that have figured out how
>to make beer and wine either. Although
>I imagine that sometime back in the mists of time,
>some animal came across fermenting grapes and berries
>and got drunk from them.
Yep; you should see elephants when the marula fruit
is a bit over-ripe.
(I think they see little pink humans).
Queenie
<bett...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I think we _are_ that different.
<etc.>
We can manipulate the environment in a very big way, yes, thanks to a
frontal lobe advantage. But that's just razzle-dazzle, the rest of
it, the DNA, and the basic biological drives still apply, all the way
down to amoebas. Most people don't bother to make use of the extra
bells and whistles much, anyway.
It remains to be seen if we're smart enough to survive our own damned
cleverness, if you ask me.
~Monkey Queen
ObFood: I just burned all of my croutons. Damnit. I'm still not
used to this convection/bake combo setting. It seemed so promising.
Dennis Suchta
NYT had an article on a new bar food: deep fried cheeseburger sticks.
Beef industry didnt think they were getting enough of the pie so they
came up with the product. Working on supplyting the public schools. Hate
to think what cuts of meat go into it. Of course its high in fat, a
lawsuit waiting to happen in 10/20 years.
Dennis
Dennis Suchta
Dennis
Betty Lee
+ I've never heard anyone say the found fruitcake disgusting.
I'll say it then. I find some fruitcakes utterly disgusting.
Some people make good fruitcakes, but there seem to be a lot
of really bad fruitcakes out there, like the ones that come
packaged with commercial Christmas baskets. Those tend to
taste like congealed toxic chemicals.
Betty Lee
+ Betty Lee <bett...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
+ >I think we _are_ that different.
+ <etc.>
+
+ We can manipulate the environment in a very big way, yes, thanks to a
+ frontal lobe advantage. But that's just razzle-dazzle
Maybe, but it seems to me to be effective and influential razzle-dazzle.
+ the rest of it, the DNA, and the basic biological drives still apply,
+ all the way down to amoebas.
I was willing to be convinced if you had stuck with mammals, but
I think the juxtaposition between "biological drives" and the amoeba
is just too funny to be taken seriously. At least, I had a good laugh
at the concept of an amoeba criticizing itself in front of a mirror,
preening its outer membrane, and bashing macho-ly into other amoebas
just to impress itself before it splits in half.
+ Most people don't bother to make use of the extra
+ bells and whistles much, anyway.
No argument there.
+ It remains to be seen if we're smart enough to survive our own damned
+ cleverness, if you ask me.
If we're not, we're likely to take out most of the other mammals with us.
I'm optimistic enough to have every confidence that we'll survive.
I'm pessimistic enough to fear what form that survival with take.
Alison Chaiken
> animal came across fermenting grapes and berries and got drunk from
> them.
You betcha. Stand near an apple tree a couple of weeks after the
apples have fallen and watch the wasps drink the hard cider and then
try to fly away. We watched a whole flock of cedar waxwings get silly
over some fermenting red berries a couple of falls ago.
> Obbeer: don't recall mentioning this, but I had some tasty beers
> last week at the Thirsty Bear Brewery (next to the Moscone Center).
After weeks of rigorous and selfless testing, I've decided that all
the New Belgium Brewing Company beers are good. I didn't particularly
care for the "Sunshine Wheat," but I don't get the wheat beer thing in
general. Hefeweisen, hell yes, but plain old wheat (even including
the sainted Sierra Nevada) is pretty bland.
--
Alison Chaiken "From:" address above is valid.
(650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/
The future will judge us, as it always judges the past, by our art
more than by our armies. -- Ned Rorem
Tim May
Lacabe <ma...@lacabe.com> wrote:
> Paul Russell <prus...@sonic.net> wrote in news:10%bb.23702$dk4.757468
> @typhoon.sonic.net:
>
> > I can't think of any species other than (mainly Western) humans that
> > drinks the breast milk of other species though, apart from perhaps
> > hedgehogs, but they're weird too.
>
> And I can't think of any other species that dresses themselves with the
> skins of other species, or cultivates the land, or raises animals (leaving
> ants aside), etc. etc. Yes, humans are different.
Not to mention that Paul Russell's point about "mainly Western" is
simply wrong.
India uses dairy products (e.g., ghee).
Siberians, Mongolians, and essentially anyone in a northern climate
where cows, yaks, goats sheep, reindeer, etc. are common uses dairy
products.
(The latitudinal division of "lactose intolerance" basically matches
this. Northern China has cattle, yaks, etc., and is not lactose
intolerant. Southern China does not have cows, yaks, etc., and hence
tends toward lactose intolerance.)
It's a northern vs. southern (or equatorial) thing, not an east vs.
west thing.
--Tim May
Paul Russell
>
> Hedgehogs do? I never heard that. What do they do ...
> sneak up on people while they're asleep?
>
It seems this may be at least partially a myth:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/reallywild/ukwild/hedgehogs/hedgehogs6.shtml>.
Paul
Margarita Lacabe
news:230920032119478036%tim...@removethis.got.net:
> Not to mention that Paul Russell's point about "mainly Western" is
> simply wrong.
>
> India uses dairy products (e.g., ghee).
>
> Siberians, Mongolians, and essentially anyone in a northern climate
> where cows, yaks, goats sheep, reindeer, etc. are common uses dairy
> products.
>
> (The latitudinal division of "lactose intolerance" basically matches
> this. Northern China has cattle, yaks, etc., and is not lactose
> intolerant. Southern China does not have cows, yaks, etc., and hence
> tends toward lactose intolerance.)
>
> It's a northern vs. southern (or equatorial) thing, not an east vs.
> west thing.
Your point is well taken but I would go beyond that. Dairy products
appear both in Middle Eastern and African cuisines. I have no idea
whether they were consumed in pre-Colombo times in the Americas, but
they certainly are consumed all over the place now. Perhaps the
not using of dairy products is the exception rather than the rule.
Todd Michel McComb
Now that's adventurous vegan eating....
John S. Watson
>
> After weeks of rigorous and selfless testing, I've decided that all
> the New Belgium Brewing Company beers are good.
Good stuff, yeh.
Although I'm a bit worried that it seems like it's been
dumbed down lately, due to their expansion.
I'm not sure ... it might have been
just an old bottle I had last time I tried it.
> I didn't particularly
> care for the "Sunshine Wheat," but I don't get the wheat beer thing in
> general. Hefeweisen, hell yes, but plain old wheat (even including
> the sainted Sierra Nevada) is pretty bland.
True, but compared to things like Bud ...
Obbeer: I'm thinking of doing another BJCP Exam in the bay area.
Beer Judge Certification Exam ... certifies you to judge at any
BJCP sanctioned competition (State Fair, County Fairs and Small Brewers Fest,
etc.).
If anyone is interested, let me know: cost: $50
See http://www.bjcp.org/study.html for details.
Also, I'd run a BJCP Study group the 6 or 7 weeks before the class
(one night a week for 6 or 7 weeks).
Some people do this and don't take the BJCP Exam.
That would cost about $60 per person, to pay for all the beer.
If anyone might be interested, send e-mail to my other e-mail address:
jswatson + 03 at yahoo.com, because my other e-mail box is currently
being swamped every 15 minutes by a wormy spam storm.
JW
Karen O'Mara
>
> "What's that?" I asked m'mother about the odor in the kitchen when I was about 10.
>
> "Liederkranz. It's a cheese. Want some?"
>
> "Smells like horseshit."
>
> "Yes, but it tastes good. Here, try it."
>
> Did. Liked it. Still do.
hold on a minute. You were allowed to say the word, "horseshit," when
speaking to your mother when you were 10 years old?..
Karen
Karen O'Mara
> If anyone might be interested, send e-mail to my other e-mail address:
> being swamped every 15 minutes by a wormy spam storm.
Is this worm going to ever die out or do I have to change my email
address? It's really getting on my nerves. I nearly missed out on the
playoff ticket from the extreme club because of a full mailbox.
I'm at my wit's end! Please send me advice.
Karen
Todd Michel McComb
Won't Yahoo filter it for you? Maybe you need to pay for your
mailbox.
I agree that this sort of thing is increasingly exasperating. You
want to talk full mailbox? At the height of this, I received just
over 200 megabytes of this worm *in one day* -- about one a minute.
Joseph Michael Bay
Of course not. He got his mouth washed out with liederkranz.
Geoff Miller
Margarita Lacabe <ma...@lacabe.com> writes:
> Dairy products appear both in Middle Eastern and African
> cuisines.
I understand that that Masai have a beverage that consists of
cow blood mixed with cow milk, in a gourd. Probably not Kosher...
> I have no idea whether they were consumed in pre-Colombo
> times in the Americas, [...]
There was life before Peter Falk? Say it ain't so!
Geoff
--
"Let's blow up this commie watermelon! Ooh-rah!"
-- GySgt R. Lee Ermey, USMC (ret.)
Icono Clast
There was a context, y'know. She might have objected under other
circumstances but she apparently did not think it inappropriate. Her
memory of the incident is the same as mine. But I'll check when I see
her tomorrow.
The words I was not permitted to use, still don't and have difficulty
tolerating when spoken by others, are those that are derogatory of
people's race or ancestry. I vividly remember once, at dinner, saying
"Mexican" and following it up with "Is it OK to say that?"
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Jim Driscoll
wrote:
> Another excellent pizza place is Premier
>Pizza in Rivermark, where the owners appear to be
>Irish, based on their name.
Anyone else want to comment on this? I know pizza is waaaay more open
to subjective judgement than many foods, but the slice I had was both
salty and soggy, the one time I decided to try it. Maybe I hit a bad
day?
(Of course, I'm a fan of NYC style pizza, which Pronto Pizzeria in
Sunnyvale probably does best in this area)
Jim
Geoff Miller
Icono Clast <ICl...@JPS.Net> writes:
> The words I was not permitted to use, still don't
> and have difficulty tolerating when spoken by others,
> are those that are derogatory of people's race or
> ancestry.
Typical neurotic Left Coast liberal...
> I vividly remember once, at dinner, saying "Mexican"
> and following it up with "Is it OK to say that?"
And you wear this as some sort of badge of honor, a winning
ticket in the More Sensitive Than Thou Sweepstakes?
So what's your position on "Christ-Killing Chopcock?"
"Darkies? Water cannon? Get back in your hole?
Why be PC when you can be right? Geoff, you're
wrong. You are completely wrong. You are as
wrong as you can be." -- har...@informix.com,
ba.food, 7/26/96
Icono Clast
that might be relevant to this thread:
I selected "Beouf" from the menu of a small neighborhood restaurant.
While waiting, a large rat passed by my foot on its way to the
kitchen.
When my plate arrived, it had a generous portion of rice and some
vegetables and cubes of meat and a couple of bones. I did not
recognize the bones from any previous meal and feared that the meat
before me was rat.
Now, I've eaten rodents and have no intellectual problem with eating
rats. I actually forced myself to eat a piece or two of the somewhat
stringy meat but my psychological reluctance took over and I couldn't
eat much of the meal.
Watching from the open door was a little boy. When the server
determined that I was finished, he motioned to the little boy who made
a bowl of his T-shirt into which the server scraped the food.
The next day, I was in a water taxi along with a US expatriat. Hearing
the above, he said "I know what you ate and I'll tell you if you
really want to know". I considered and agreed to hear what I expected
to be "rat" but it wasn't. He said "cat" and instantly that he so said
I recognized the bones from skeletons I'd seen in museum.
In my travels I've eaten many things that, to this day, I know not
what were. When not knowing a language, I'll indicate to the server
that I want to visit the kitchen to make a selection. It's my habit to
select the least familiar looking dish that proves, more often than
not, to be something familiar quite prepared ufamiliarly.
Yes, I have no intellectual objection to eating cats or dogs or
monkeys or dolphins, etc., but I couldn't possibly knowingly do so
unless I was truly starving and, I presume, even then it would be
difficult in spite of my sig.
____________________________________________________________
A San Francisco gourmand: "You serve it, I'll eat it!"
Geoff Miller
Icono Clast <ICl...@JPS.Net> writes:
> Now, I've eaten rodents and have no intellectual problem
> with eating rats.
I think I'd have a lot less of a problem with eating rats
if they were raised for the purpose in sanitary conditions,
like at that restaurant in Beijing that I've read about
(maybe there's more than one). That strikes me as more
appetizing, or less _un_appetizing, than eating rats that
had subsisted on garbage.