Sunnyvale restaurants
Nabeel Robert Ibrahim
food choices to the wild, unknown jungle of Sunnyvale. I'll be living near
Wolfe and Homestead (not too far from 99 Ranch) and would love to know of
any good restaurants in that area. My criteria are that: a) I'm lazy and
hate to go more than a couple of miles to eat, and b) I love all sorts of
ethnic food. For example, there are probably 15 pho restaurants per
resident in that part of Sunnyvale, but I have no idea which ones are good.
Thanks,
Nabeel
Anne P. Mitchell Young, Esq.
* I'm moving from Mtn. View, where I'm oh-so-moderately-knowledgable about
* food choices to the wild, unknown jungle of Sunnyvale. I'll be living near
* Wolfe and Homestead (not too far from 99 Ranch) and would love to know of
* any good restaurants in that area. My criteria are that: a) I'm lazy and
* hate to go more than a couple of miles to eat, and b) I love all sorts of
* ethnic food.
Haven't been there in a while, but we used to really like Samrat (indian) on
Homestead and Hollenbeck (behind the McDonald's). Ditto for Nepal, around the
corner from Samrat.
Thai Basil on Murphy is excellent, as is their larger, newer location on the
street between Murphy and Mathilda (in the Town & Country center - I forget
the name of the street).
The Chinese place on the corner kitty-corner opposite Ranch99, whose name
escapes me, used to have decent dim sum on Sunday mornings, but their regular
meals (dinner) were horrible both chances we gave them, although others here
have liked them.
Mei Long, on El Camino, nearer the Sunnyvale/Mountain View border, is
outstanding - it's a real date restaurant - reminiscent, I am told, of a fancy
Hong Kong hotel restaurant.
Anne
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Fair Oaks.
Also "Kabul" (Afghani) on El Camino between Mary and
Pastoria.
"Chelokebabi" (Middle Eastern) at Wolfe and E.C.R. is
another fave.
SlipperySlope
My recommendation is that you STRONGLY re-consider your move to Sunnyvale.
It's fairly bad enough you live in Mountain View as it is, but going DOWN the
ladder to the ultimate cultural void that Sunnyvale IS, is NOT a good move!
I know! I use to live off of Mary!
Nabeel Robert Ibrahim wrote:
> I'm moving from Mtn. View, where I'm oh-so-moderately-knowledgable about
> food choices to the wild, unknown jungle of Sunnyvale. I'll be living near
> Wolfe and Homestead (not too far from 99 Ranch) and would love to know of
> any good restaurants in that area. My criteria are that: a) I'm lazy and
> hate to go more than a couple of miles to eat, and b) I love all sorts of
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
> I'm moving from Mtn. View, where I'm oh-so-moderately-knowledgable about
> food choices to the wild, unknown jungle of Sunnyvale. I'll be living near
> Wolfe and Homestead (not too far from 99 Ranch) and would love to know of
> any good restaurants in that area. My criteria are that: a) I'm lazy and
> hate to go more than a couple of miles to eat, and b) I love all sorts of
> ethnic food. For example, there are probably 15 pho restaurants per
> resident in that part of Sunnyvale, but I have no idea which ones are good.
I'm rather fond of Sahari, an Egyptian restaurant on Fremont just east of
Sunnyvale-Saratoga-Sunnyvale (whatever it's called in that stretch) -- are
you already familiar with it? The last time I was there it seemed they had
cut back on their menu (perhaps a sign of inadequate business?), so the
selection was rather limited; but the food was still good.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo County, CA
Gavin Scott
: Haven't been there in a while, but we used to really like Samrat (indian) on
: the corner from Samrat.
Samrat died (well, changed owners actually). It's got a new name and has
gone to veggie-only Indian food :-(
: The Chinese place on the corner kitty-corner opposite Ranch99, whose name
: escapes me, used to have decent dim sum on Sunday mornings, but their regular
: meals (dinner) were horrible both chances we gave them, although others here
: have liked them.
Crab Station? Interesting place. We had lunch there a couple weeks
back. Very Chinese (i.e. they actually give you rice bowls). A fair
amount of exotic seafood (Abalone soup, etc.)
From there you're not far from Jade Tree and Kitsho at ~Wolf/Steven's
Creek for great Chinese and Japanese respectively.
G.
Steve Wertz
> The Chinese place on the corner kitty-corner opposite Ranch99, whose name
> escapes me, used to have decent dim sum on Sunday mornings, but their regular
> meals (dinner) were horrible both chances we gave them, although others here
> have liked them.
I may be the only one here that ever mentions Sam-Kee. I've
been going there for a decade or so, and it's still recomended by
various chinese friends (who know food). I think the Jackson (Milpitas?)
location is a little more consistent than Cupertino's.
I've never get up early enough for weekend dim-sum, so no comment
on that part of Sam Kee ;-)
-sw
Anne P. Mitchell Young, Esq.
* Anne P. Mitchell Young, Esq. <shed...@nospam.vix.com> wrote:
*
* > The Chinese place on the corner kitty-corner opposite Ranch99, whose name
* > escapes me
*
* I may be the only one here that ever mentions Sam-Kee. I've
* been going there for a decade or so, and it's still recomended by
* various chinese friends (who know food). I think the Jackson (Milpitas?)
* location is a little more consistent than Cupertino's.
That's it..Sam Kee..thank you, Steve!
Chester
Actually, "kitty-corner" would be Sam Kee, which Steve mentioned. I
don't particularly like Sam Kee--for lunch, dinner, or dim sum. Some
relatives really don't like the place because they think the staff
pushes more expensive dishes on them and does funny stuff on the bill.
But keep in mind that this is just their perception of their
experience, so keep a bag of Morton's handy.
Crab Station is directly across the street from Ranch 99. Avoid it
for dim sum as they don't generate all that much traffic and thus
don't have a very widely-varied and fresh selection. But for dinner,
I like it a great deal. I've had three or four different preparations
of their namesake crustacean and it's always been fantastic. Also,
for night-owls, they open quite late...I think past midnight on
weekends.
As far as Chinese goes, I like Joy Luck Palace within the Ranch 99
center for dim sum. Expect long lines...perhaps a 30-45 minute wait
at busy times.
Otherwise, there is also an out-of-the-way place way down Lawrence
called "The Pines." It was built in an American-style clubbyish place
and they didn't bother to change the name.
Anyway, had dim sum there last weekend and was pretty pleased. To get
there, take Lawrence north all the way past 101. At the last street
before 237 (I think), turn right. Go down one or two blocks and it'll
be on the corner on the left.
Chester
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Steve Wertz <swe...@swertz.scruznet.com> wrote:
>
>I may be the only one here that ever mentions Sam-Kee. I've
You aren't. I mention it once in a while and I learned about
it form ba.food, although I guess that could have been from
one of your posts years ago.
>I've never get up early enough for weekend dim-sum, so no comment
>on that part of Sam Kee ;-)
Reliable. Decent quality, if not quite up there with Furama
or Fook Yuen or Peony. Very reasonable prices.
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Chris Knight
> >Crab Station?
> Crab Station is directly across the street from Ranch 99. Avoid it
> for dim sum as they don't generate all that much traffic and thus
> don't have a very widely-varied and fresh selection. But for dinner,
> I like it a great deal. I've had three or four different preparations
> of their namesake crustacean and it's always been fantastic. Also,
> for night-owls, they open quite late...I think past midnight on
> weekends.
Hmm, perhaps that's the trick, get the crab...We were disappointed the times
we went (both with the service and the food, but mostly for the service.)
> As far as Chinese goes, I like Joy Luck Palace within the Ranch 99
> center for dim sum. Expect long lines...perhaps a 30-45 minute wait
> at busy times.
They definitely have the best decor I've ever seen in a Dim Sum place (in
the valley, where I usually dine.) Their variety is usually pretty good, go
for the more exotic dishes they have (I've found their "standards" such as
pork buns and shao mai to be a bit lacking.) Also be sure to try the
"noodle house" (?) version of Joy Luck Place around the corner. I
especially like the meatball and dumpling soup and the sweet bean curd (also
available in the dim sum restaurant)...Usually not much (if any) line and
some interesting selections. (As an aside, anyone know anything about their
"paintings" they have in this smaller restaurant? They're created with
"stamps" of paint...)
Also check out the small store in the mall called Mo Mo House for some
really cool/interesting (and often expensive, but sometimes suprisingly
inexpensive) Taiwanese imports...I just love that store and the owners (and
family) are very nice.
Chester
>we went (both with the service and the food, but mostly for the service.)
Well here's another big grain-of-salt comment from my personal
perspective: when I go with family (asian), I get doting service.
When I have gone a couple times with my friends (mixed 20-something
white/asian/whatever), service was pretty bad. Keep in mind that this
could be a big numbers vs. small numbers or older vs. younger thing,
rather than non-Chinese vs. Chinese. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
Still, yes, I've always loved all the crab there. Seafood, in
general, I think is quite good there.
>They definitely have the best decor I've ever seen in a Dim Sum place (in
>the valley, where I usually dine.)
Yeah, it is pretty nice-looking in there, isn't it? Try Koi Palace in
Daly City if you ever get an urge to drive a bit on the weekend. Best
dim sum I've had in years, on multiple visits. Crazy-heavy teapots,
though...complimented by tiny tea cups, which means crazy-frequent
lifting of the crazy-heavy teapots to fill and refill and refill the
crazy-small teacups.
But the food is fantastic.
Chester
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She must have been very nice to support you in the manner to which
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Nap98
>It's fairly bad enough you live in Mountain View as it is, but going DOWN the
>ladder to the ultimate cultural void that Sunnyvale IS, is NOT a good move!
Ahem...well, you guys didn't expect me to stay quite about this comment right?
So I'll ask the poster that wrote this:
What's so bad about living in Mountain View and Sunnyvale?
...and I'll leave it at that for now.
-Nick
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Karen Anderson O'Mara
> No new restaurants this month it seems, although construction has begun on a
> Dairy Queen in San Antonio Center, Krispy Kreme is getting ready to break
> ground near Costco, and expect some losses and gains to the restaurant scene on
> El Camino in the coming months. More on that next time I guess.
Nick, is KK going in where the Rag Time thrift store was?
Karen <who can't wait to see what all the KK fuss is about and feel like supercrud
for a day>
Michael Dix
authenticity. That might explain their poor execution of the standards.
Or is Chris a Mandarin speaker?
I liked Samkee for mid-week dim sum, but I haven't been for about nine
months.
Mike Dix
Chris Knight wrote:
>
> <chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester)> wrote:
<snip>
>
> > As far as Chinese goes, I like Joy Luck Palace within the Ranch 99
> > center for dim sum. Expect long lines...perhaps a 30-45 minute wait
> > at busy times.
>
> They definitely have the best decor I've ever seen in a Dim Sum place (in
> the valley, where I usually dine.) Their variety is usually pretty good, go
> for the more exotic dishes they have (I've found their "standards" such as
> pork buns and shao mai to be a bit lacking.) Also be sure to try the
<snip>
Nap98
>right?
I hate it when one finger types faster then the other. Quiet, not quite, sorry.
Anyways, latest news from Downtown Mountain View for anyone who is interested:
Starbucks is almost done, the green sign is already on the building.
Interesting fact for those of you that have lived in the area for a while. In
the building that Starbucks is in (former site of Mountain View High School)
artifacts from the old high school building that was knocked down will be
placed on the new building soon.
A bit of sad news coming from down on the other end of downtown, it looks like
the restaurant dominated area's only card shop, Polly Rose, is having a
liquidation sale, and I'm guessing will close its doors soon...only making the
market more lucrative for a card/gift store in the area and illustrating the
struggle for downtown to establish a retail base to compliment the popular
restaurants there.
And the Lime Light Night Club in the old Rio Grande/movie theater will start
attracting a younger crowd to Castro Street, starting April 16, when the club
opens to high school students for its first Sunday Teen Dance night. Good
timing, since the Edge in Palo Alto's other downtown will be closing it's doors
April 26.
No new restaurants this month it seems, although construction has begun on a
Dairy Queen in San Antonio Center, Krispy Kreme is getting ready to break
ground near Costco, and expect some losses and gains to the restaurant scene on
El Camino in the coming months. More on that next time I guess.
Matt Ackeret
>
>ladder to the ultimate cultural void that Sunnyvale IS, is NOT a good move!
>
Where??
Sheesh.. Sunnyvale's great.
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Roberta L. Millstein
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu wrote:
> I'm rather fond of Sahari, an Egyptian restaurant on Fremont just east of
> Sunnyvale-Saratoga-Sunnyvale (whatever it's called in that stretch) --
> are
> you already familiar with it? The last time I was there it seemed they
> had
> cut back on their menu (perhaps a sign of inadequate business?), so the
> selection was rather limited; but the food was still good.
Here's another vote for Sahari. I had dinner there quite recently, and
it was very tasty.
Roberta
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> Haven't been there in a while, but we used to really like Samrat (indian)
> on
> Homestead and Hollenbeck (behind the McDonald's). Ditto for Nepal,
> around the
> corner from Samrat.
Samrat is no more, but it has been replaced by another Indian restaurant
(whose name escapes me), which is all vegetarian. Haven't been there
enough to form a strong opinion, but it seems pretty good. The Nepalese
restaurant is called Katmandu, and it is excellent.
Nabeel Robert Ibrahim
>
>Matt Ackeret wrote:
>> Sheesh.. Sunnyvale's great.
>
>"Sunnyvales's great...."?
>
>THIS STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT YOU'VE *NEVER* BEEN OUTTA THE EX-URBAN *WASTELAND*!!
>
>Again: Sunnyvale is a CULTURAL VOID.......
Sunnyvale has decent houses that are (by the twisted, distorted Bay Area
standards) affordable, unlike Mountain View.
ObFood: Thanks for all the suggestions for restaurants in Sunnyvale. One
place that I like and have been to a couple of times is "Dhaba". (Actually,
I think the official name is "The Dhaba", but the sign omits the "the".)
It's a dive, but they have good, cheap food. I cannot speak for its
authenticity, but the fact that there seems to always be a line there, and
the clientele is about 90% Indian seems to indicate that it's pretty
authentic. We paid $5.75 for chicken masala, raita and two vegetables
(choose from channa masala, dal, vegetable koorma, and others that I don't
remember). The mango lassi was excellent, but $2.50 seemed a bit steep.
The paratha was excellent and inexpensive ($1).
You order at a counter and they call your name when the meal is ready. There
is definitely not enough seating for peak periods, so it may be wise to get
take out.
"The Dabha" is located off of El Camino, between Wolfe and Lawrence. As you
are heading towards Lawrence from Wolfe, it's on the right side in a strip
mall. It's open for lunch and dinner.
Nabeel
SlipperySlope
Matt Ackeret wrote:
> In article <38E24649...@zip.net>, SlipperySlope <THE...@zip.net> wrote:
> >My recommendation is that you STRONGLY re-consider your move to Sunnyvale.
> >
> >It's fairly bad enough you live in Mountain View as it is, but going DOWN the
> >ladder to the ultimate cultural void that Sunnyvale IS, is NOT a good move!
> >
> >I know! I use to live off of Mary!
>
> Where??
>
Valencia off of Mary.
>
> Sheesh.. Sunnyvale's great.
"Sunnyvales's great...."?
THIS STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT YOU'VE *NEVER* BEEN OUTTA THE EX-URBAN *WASTELAND*!!
Again: Sunnyvale is a CULTURAL VOID.......
>
> --
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> ObFood: Thanks for all the suggestions for restaurants in Sunnyvale. One
> place that I like and have been to a couple of times is "Dhaba". (Actually,
> I think the official name is "The Dhaba", but the sign omits the "the".)
I second this. At El Camino / Henderson, I think.
Certainly better than the food I took home the one time I went to
Deedee's, but maybe I went there on a bad day.
They serve from cafeteria style vats of food, but they make their
breads to order (I think). Food quality varies. Sometimes it
is delicious, sometimes not.
I remember one day as I was leaving that I was surprised to see
someone delivering 5 undersized bags of rice. Isn't 50 lbs
standard, or did they use special high density rice? Nah, those
were a few cubic feet of *salt*.
Eddie
Todd Michel McComb
>Certainly better than the food I took home the one time I went to
>Deedee's, but maybe I went there on a bad day.
You probably just don't like the food, since it's a totally different
menu/cuisine.
Chris Knight
> Samrat is no more, but it has been replaced by another Indian restaurant
> (whose name escapes me), which is all vegetarian. Haven't been there
> enough to form a strong opinion, but it seems pretty good. The Nepalese
> restaurant is called Katmandu, and it is excellent.
Hate to say it, but I think Katmandu (and the rest of the bowling alley
shopping center) is technically in Cupertino (hence the Hollenbeck/Stelling
name change. Ugh.)
Anyways, now that I'm done picking nits, definitely check out Sochi Grill
for good Russian...Just about everything they make is wonderfully delicious.
It's in the same shopping center as the other restaurants you've mentioned,
right next to the bowling alley. I think they're open for dinners nowadays,
which makes it much more accessable. It's a family-run business
Deborah Gronke Bennett
>
> ObFood: Thanks for all the suggestions for restaurants in Sunnyvale. One
> place that I like and have been to a couple of times is "Dhaba". (Actually,
> I think the official name is "The Dhaba", but the sign omits the "the".)
>
> It's a dive, but they have good, cheap food. I cannot speak for its
> authenticity, but the fact that there seems to always be a line there, and
> the clientele is about 90% Indian seems to indicate that it's pretty
> authentic. We paid $5.75 for chicken masala, raita and two vegetables
> (choose from channa masala, dal, vegetable koorma, and others that I don't
> remember). The mango lassi was excellent, but $2.50 seemed a bit steep.
> The paratha was excellent and inexpensive ($1).
>
> You order at a counter and they call your name when the meal is ready. There
> is definitely not enough seating for peak periods, so it may be wise to get
> take out.
>
> "The Dabha" is located off of El Camino, between Wolfe and Lawrence. As you
> are heading towards Lawrence from Wolfe, it's on the right side in a strip
> mall. It's open for lunch and dinner.
>
> Nabeel
It is at El Camino and Henderson. I got food from there today.
The ordering can be confusing - I told the man at the register
I was new and he suggested one of the combination platters.
I had one with chicken of the day and one vegetable. This
comes with lots of rice, spicy onion salad (which looks like
chopped onions covered with Tandoori spice or something the same
color), and raita. The raita was yogurt and spices only, no
chopped vegetables in mine. There are as many vegetarian
selections as non-vegetarian. Goat curry is the most expensive
thing on the menu. The menu is all up on a big erasable board
over the counter. It will help if you are familiar with
Indian food terminology, as not everything is in English.
The chicken I had was pretty good (a bit spicy), but the
cauliflower and potatoes was truly excellent. I went today
(Friday) at about 12:30. I stood in line for a few minutes,
and then it took a few more minutes to get my food to go.
Perhaps 15 minutes in and out.
This is not a place for atmosphere. As Nabeel notes, there
isn't enough seating. The line to order goes through the
middle of the tables. There is constant jostling between people
in line and people picking up their food. The walls are dark
and the lighting is a bit dim. But I think the food makes
up for it.
-deborah bennett
The Ranger
SlipperySlope spewed:
> THIS STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT YOU'VE *NEVER* BEEN OUTTA
> THE EX-URBAN *WASTELAND*!!
> Again: Sunnyvale is a CULTURAL VOID.......
Did the doctor you're seeing not renew your meds? Dude, get the refill.
You need 'em.
There's lots to do in Sunnyvale (and every other local municipality). All
you have to do is pay attention.
The Ranger
Ian MacLure
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> ibr...@Stanford.EDU (Nabeel Robert Ibrahim) writes:
>
> >
> > ObFood: Thanks for all the suggestions for restaurants in Sunnyvale.
One
> > place that I like and have been to a couple of times is "Dhaba".
(Actually,
> > I think the official name is "The Dhaba", but the sign omits the "the".)
[SNIP]
ObObFood: We might as well include Komala Vilas. Located in the same
strip mall as
"The Dhaba" but other end. Menu is even more basic
and completely vegetarian.
Dosai/sambar and rice of various sorts. Water &
coffee to drink and nothing else.
I've heard some people whining about the decor and
yeah linoleum sucks but that
misses the point.
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Deborah Gronke Bennett <deborah...@NOSPAMMERS.sun.com> wrote:
>ibr...@Stanford.EDU (Nabeel Robert Ibrahim) writes:
>
>>
>> ObFood: Thanks for all the suggestions for restaurants in Sunnyvale. One
>> place that I like and have been to a couple of times is "Dhaba". (Actually,
>> I think the official name is "The Dhaba", but the sign omits the "the".)
>>
>> authenticity, but the fact that there seems to always be a line there, and
>> the clientele is about 90% Indian seems to indicate that it's pretty
>> authentic. We paid $5.75 for chicken masala, raita and two vegetables
>> (choose from channa masala, dal, vegetable koorma, and others that I don't
>> remember). The mango lassi was excellent, but $2.50 seemed a bit steep.
>> The paratha was excellent and inexpensive ($1).
>>
>> You order at a counter and they call your name when the meal is ready. There
>> is definitely not enough seating for peak periods, so it may be wise to get
>> take out.
>>
>> "The Dabha" is located off of El Camino, between Wolfe and Lawrence. As you
>> are heading towards Lawrence from Wolfe, it's on the right side in a strip
>> mall. It's open for lunch and dinner.
Interesting place. I tried it for the first time today.
It's exactly as you describe it, with the plus that it's
actually open all afternoon as well. I often want to
get lunch at around 3 or 3:30 and my options then are
very limited.
It is not open for lunch on Mondays though.
>It is at El Camino and Henderson. I got food from there today.
>The ordering can be confusing - I told the man at the register
>I was new and he suggested one of the combination platters.
>I had one with chicken of the day and one vegetable. This
>comes with lots of rice, spicy onion salad (which looks like
>chopped onions covered with Tandoori spice or something the same
>color), and raita. The raita was yogurt and spices only, no
>chopped vegetables in mine. There are as many vegetarian
>selections as non-vegetarian. Goat curry is the most expensive
>thing on the menu. The menu is all up on a big erasable board
>over the counter. It will help if you are familiar with
>Indian food terminology, as not everything is in English.
I would say that it would more than help. The man who took
my order seemed quite unwilling (I don't think unable, but
really don't know) to tell me what was what. I didn't recognize
all of the options on the menu and got ones with which I
was familiar.
Still, goat curry, matar paneer, raita, and a bunch of rice
for $6.95 plus tax is a nice lunch at a reasonable price. Much
more pleasant than the usual Indian buffet where I leave stuffed
to the point that I can't stay awake all afternoon.
The food was nice. It was spicy without being overwhelming.
The sauces were interesting.
I'll be back.
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my fav place in sunnyvale
Family run restaurant.
pizza, italian sandwitch,
recommend pronto special, chicken mushroom and eggplant
and their italian beers
closes at 8:30 p.m
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"Roberta L. Millstein" <rlmil...@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:
> In article <vBz4J9...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu>,
> eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu wrote:
>
> > I'm rather fond of Sahari, an Egyptian restaurant on Fremont just
east of
> > Sunnyvale-Saratoga-Sunnyvale (whatever it's called in that
stretch) --
> > are
> > you already familiar with it? The last time I was there it seemed
they
> > had
> > cut back on their menu (perhaps a sign of inadequate business?), so
the
> > selection was rather limited; but the food was still good.
>
> Here's another vote for Sahari. I had dinner there quite recently,
and
> it was very tasty.
>
> Roberta
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Before you buy.
Jo Ann Malina
> pronto pizzeria next to Lucky (Mary and Fremont)is one of
> my fav place in sunnyvale
> Family run restaurant.
> pizza, italian sandwitch,
> recommend pronto special, chicken mushroom and eggplant
> and their italian beers
> closes at 8:30 p.m
Thin crust or pan pizza? Since Formico's closed, there isn't any decent
thin crust pizza around here (Redwood City - Sunnyvale).
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-- The Reverend Jim Peasboro, _The Devil in the Machine_
Yip Yap
abm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> pronto pizzeria next to Lucky (Mary and Fremont)is one of
> my fav place in sunnyvale
> Family run restaurant.
> pizza, italian sandwitch,
> recommend pronto special, chicken mushroom and eggplant
> and their italian beers
> closes at 8:30 p.m
Pronto's is decent and unknown by a lot of people. But
don't go there for lunch right after Homestead High
School has let out, you may have to wait 30 minutes
for a slice of pizza. They don't seem to be able to
plan for this.
I personally think that Giovanni's on Lawrence Expressway
at Lakewood Drive (north of 101) is better.
-- Yip
Chester
once and it was very good. I can only imagine that--had we eaten it
fresh--it would have been superlative.
Chester
The Ranger
Chester wrote:
> Giovanni's seems to be fantastic.
Major disagreement here. One word, 'Yee-ich!'
Reason:
We went there on a Saturday for lunch with friends (five kids under four.)
Server came by took our drink orders, got lost in The Back. Someone else
(busboy) brought 'em out. Server came back after 15 minutes and took meal
order at that time. We ordered pizza (a combo and veggie) for adults and
pasta for the kids. A non-waiter brought out the meals, both pizzas and
pastas simultaneously (even though we asked for a rush on the pasta for the
kids.) We asked for refill on our drinks. I must not have said it loudly
enough because the non-waiter walked away without taking any glasses with
him. Saltine-like Cracker Pizzas must be a new idea but I'm hoping they're
only a fad. The pizzas eventually softened up enough in the middle due to
excess juices from the vegetables but I wasn't wanting stew. I left over
60% of our combo untouched and the veggie had similar leftovers. None of
our kids were eating their pasta dishes which is unusual; I tried a noodle
and decided that the cook needed a lesson on "al dente," too. Original
waiter stops by with bill and doesn't stick around (we want to get out of
there immediately.) He does stop by long enough to take our cash and we
pack up and leave. The server catches friend on way out to ask about "tip."
My friend is much less polite than me and explains the theory of "The Tip
Reflects The Service." We'll never go back. I have a good laugh at people
that talk about this as the epitome of ITALIAN restaurants.
As I said, "Yee-ich!"
The Ranger
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
> Thin crust or pan pizza? Since Formico's closed, there isn't any decent
> thin crust pizza around here (Redwood City - Sunnyvale).
What? When? (Shoot the messenger!)
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo County, CA
Chester
Yikes. Maybe you went on a bad night? I'm not a terribly picky
person but the pizza we had *was* pretty darn good, even though it was
almost a 1/2 out of the oven by the time we noshed.
Chester
Roberta L. Millstein
> Thin crust or pan pizza? Since Formico's closed, there isn't any decent
> thin crust pizza around here (Redwood City - Sunnyvale).
Head a little further south to Cicero's on Steven's Creek in Cupertino.
The inside of the restaurant is not much to look at, but the pizza is
best when it is right out of the oven, so eat in for best results. (I
guess you can say that about all pizzas). Thin crust with a tasty
sauce. A Cupertino staple.
dke...@best.com
Giovanni's is not great pizza. It would not do well in New
York say. But they make a perfectly adequate pizza and they
sell slices heated up real quick. It's worth trying and I go
there every few weeks for lunch.
Chris Baldwin
our NY sysadmin to shut up about how they can't get good pizza in
the BA anywhere. I'm so glad that our office moved down by it.
> But they make a perfectly adequate pizza and they
> sell slices heated up real quick. It's worth trying and I go
> there every few weeks for lunch.
I used to really like their sandwiches, but about a year or so
ago, they changed their bread and I really dislike the new stuff. I've
mentioned it to them (we go there a lot and are on a first name basis
with the staff) and everyone else seems to love it, tho, so I guess I'm
out of luck there.
While living in Sunnyvale, I got used to having quick access to
Giovanni's and Pizza Chicago. I moved near 280/Bascom recently and
I can't find a decent pizza anywhere around here. Via Mia is edible
and Magoos is ok, I suppose, but neither is very good. Any
suggestions?
Yip Yap
> sell slices heated up real quick. It's worth trying and I go
> there every few weeks for lunch.
I've got to disagree with this. I'm a native New Yorker, and
Giovanni's does serve the type of pizza you would get in a
New York pizza parlor. The pizza at Vito's and Pronto's is
not, in spite of their claims of "New York Pizza". Pronto's
is the closer of those two, but their sauce isn't up to the
test because it tastes like it comes from an SS Pierce can.
Geoff Miller
"Roberta L. Millstein" <rlmil...@spamaway.rlm.net> writes:
> Head a little further south to Cicero's on Steven's Creek
> in Cupertino. The inside of the restaurant is not much to
> look at, [...]
The place is a former Burger Pit, after all. Anybody remember
when Cicero's was in its original location on the corner of
Stevens Creek and De Anza Blvd. (still "Highway 9" to us old
Cupertino hands)? And before that, of course, the building
was occupied by Coppola's Pizza.
I grieve mightily for the Burger Pit, one of the icons of my
youth. A 1/2-pound Steerburger and a chocolate malt[*] is to
this day my idea of the ultimate hamburger experience. The
Burger Pit behind Valley Fair hung on tenaciously for years,
but I see it finally succumbed to the bulldozer's blade.
There used to be another one on Benton near Lawrence in Santa
Clara, but it was a Burger Pit in name only. The place was
apparently owned by Asian immigrants who deviated distressingly
from the canonical menu.
> A Cupertino staple.
Speaking of Cupertino staples, I confess to a taste for Yoshinoya
Beef Bowl at Stevens Creek and Portal Avenue. They offer quite a
bit of bang for one's buck.
[*] I guess that'd be a "malted" to you transplanted
Easterners in the audience. You can always spot
an Easterner by the way they say "malted" and
"Nevahda."
Geoff
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dke...@best.com
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> [*] I guess that'd be a "malted" to you transplanted
> Easterners in the audience. You can always spot
> an Easterner by the way they say "malted" and
> "Nevahda."
I don't know. I grew up saying "malt" too.
And as far as states, seems the best test is how we
say "Awwwwruhgone".
Roberta L. Millstein
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
> Anybody remember
> when Cicero's was in its original location on the corner of
> Stevens Creek and De Anza Blvd. (still "Highway 9" to us old
> Cupertino hands)?
That must have been nice. Now that intersection has 1) a field, with a
set-back office building, 2) a gas station, 3) a bank, and for a long
time, 4) a run-down old gas station (and now they are building...what?
anyone know?). Not exactly a "downtown experience".
> [*] I guess that'd be a "malted" to you transplanted
> Easterners in the audience. You can always spot
> an Easterner by the way they say "malted" and
> "Nevahda."
I say "malt", although I have heard "malted" and wouldn't blink twice at
either. But how else do you say Nevada besides "Nevahda"?
Ok, back on topic here. Best malts in the Bay Area: I say Polar Bear
in Santa Cruz, but I'd love for someone to contradict me and say that
there is something better closer to home (South Bay). Any takers??
Gavin Scott
: time, 4) a run-down old gas station (and now they are building...what?
Looks like a new run-down gas station.
G.
Geoff Miller
"Roberta L. Millstein" <rlmil...@spamaway.rlm.net> writes:
[Cupertino]
> Not exactly a "downtown experience"
It wasn't much of one even in the Old Days. There was a short
row of small shops extending from the corner to about where
(ObFood) Armadillo Willie's is now, on only one side of the
street, and that was it for Cupertino's "downtown." Oh, and
the R. Cali & Bro. animal feed plant on the corner, of course.
ObTriviaCumTopicSegueway: I've been told that the real old-timers
pronounce the name of the town as "Kewpertino" instead of "Cooper-
tino." (Nowadays one might as well pronounce it "Shanghai.")
> But how else do you say Nevada besides "Nevahda"?
"Nevada," with the second syllable rhyming with "bad" or
"mad." Nobody I know who's from there (or from the western
U.S. in general, for that matter) pronounces it as though it
has an "h" in it. Broadcast journalists will often set my
teeth on edge by pronouncing it that way; it's one of those
universal affectations, like the way damn near all broadcast
journalists mispronounce "candidate" as "candidit." It's as
though they're speaking in Morse code: "Di-di-dah-dah-dit!"
I've noticed that some people say "Colorahdo," too, but thus
far I haven't managed to pin that pronunciation down by
geography.
Geoff
--
"The only problem with Southern Baptists is that they
don't hold 'em underwater long enough." --Aaron B.
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>"Nevada," with the second syllable rhyming with "bad" or
>"mad."
Perfect for a bearded geezer with no teeth and a torn, dust-coated
cowboy hat....
>Broadcast journalists will often set my teeth on edge by pronouncing
>it that way; it's one of those universal affectations
Nowadays, kids can learn Spanish in high school too.
Joe Petolino
>"Nevada," with the second syllable rhyming with "bad" or
>"mad." Nobody I know who's from there (or from the western
>U.S. in general, for that matter) pronounces it as though it
>has an "h" in it. . . .
>
>I've noticed that some people say "Colorahdo," too, but thus
>far I haven't managed to pin that pronunciation down by
>geography.
Maybe it's because "Nevahda" and "Colorahdo" are closer to the original
Spanish than "Nevadda" and "Coloraddo". That would be the natural choice
if you weren't aware of how the locals pronounce it.
OB Malts: Peninsula Creamery and Rick's Rather Rich, both in Palo Alto,
make pretty good malteds.
-Joe
--
Joe Petolino peto...@eng.sun.com
Chester
>ObTriviaCumTopicSegueway: I've been told that the real old-timers
>pronounce the name of the town as "Kewpertino" instead of "Cooper-
>tino." (Nowadays one might as well pronounce it "Shanghai.")
Or probably not as there are probably a lot more immigrants in
Cupertino from either Taiwan or Hong Kong and not the mainland (or
should I say "Cathay"?), Geoff.
>Nobody I know who's from there (or from the western
>U.S. in general, for that matter) pronounces it as though it
>has an "h" in it.
Which is still better than the almost-ubiquitous redundant
pluralization of "Sierra Nevada" with the extra "s."
Chester
dke...@best.com
Joe Petolino <peto...@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:
>
>OB Malts: Peninsula Creamery and Rick's Rather Rich, both in Palo Alto,
> make pretty good malteds.
>
I disagree. Rick's makes great ice cream, but their sundaes
and milk shakes etc. are really poor considering what they
could be. I was stunned the first time I saw them pour hot
fudge out of a can or use Redi-Whip on a sundae.
Michael Dix
Lahs Gattis? (instead of Lowes Got-owes or whatever)
Joe Petolino wrote:
>
> >> But how else do you say Nevada besides "Nevahda"?
>
> >"Nevada," with the second syllable rhyming with "bad" or
> >"mad." Nobody I know who's from there (or from the western
> >U.S. in general, for that matter) pronounces it as though it
> >has an "h" in it. . . .
> >
> >I've noticed that some people say "Colorahdo," too, but thus
> >far I haven't managed to pin that pronunciation down by
> >geography.
>
> Maybe it's because "Nevahda" and "Colorahdo" are closer to the original
> Spanish than "Nevadda" and "Coloraddo". That would be the natural choice
> if you weren't aware of how the locals pronounce it.
>
>
> --
> Joe Petolino peto...@eng.sun.com
Geoff Miller
mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) says:
["Nevada"]
> Perfect for a bearded geezer with no teeth and a torn,
> dust-coated cowboy hat....
...who says "By cracky!" a lot? Gotcha.
> Nowadays, kids can learn Spanish in high school too.
The idea that American names of Spanish origin are properly
pronounced in the original Spanish manner is appealing but
flawed. You say "Loss On-hay-lace," and people are going
to look at you funny. Hell, you say *Loce GAH-toce,* and
people will look at you funny. It'd be grating, much like
the annoying way that it's fashionable for broadcast jour-
nalists of Hispanic ancestry to lapse into thick accents
when pronouncing such names -- even though they speak
perfect, accent-free English the rest of the time.
No, the fact of the matter is that the pronunciations of
these names have become legitimately Anglicized over years,
and sometimes even centuries, of use by people whose first
language is English. Since English is the _de facto_ official
language of America, and since Spanish, like it or not, is
the langauge of the underclass, it's only right and proper
that names like "Colorado" be pronounced in the Anglo/Caucasian
manner. There it is.
Geoff Miller
chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester) writes:
> Or probably not as there are probably a lot more immigrants in
> Cupertino from either Taiwan or Hong Kong and not the mainland (or
> should I say "Cathay"?), Geoff.
Hong Kong *isn't* on the mainland? Besides, nineteen ninety-seven
was some time ago; the place is in commie hands now.
You're splitting hairs. Historically it's the same culture, and Red
China claims that Taiwan is a renegade province, anyway. We obvious-
ly place some credence in that, given that we recognized the Butchers
Of Beijing and dropped Taiwan like (ObFood) the proverbial hot potato
some time back. I bet ol' Chancre Jack is spinning in his grave.
> Which is still better than the almost-ubiquitous redundant
> pluralization of "Sierra Nevada" with the extra "s."
I don't mind "the Sierras," but "the Sierra Nevadas" is a bit over
the top. Still, when you say "the Sierra Nevada," it sounds as
though you're only referring to *one* of them -- kind of like
talking about "an Alp."
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>You say "Loss On-hay-lace," and people are going to look at you
>funny.
There's a rather sizeable group of people who wouldn't look at
you funny at all....
>No, the fact of the matter is that the pronunciations of
>these names have become legitimately Anglicized over years,
>and sometimes even centuries, of use by people whose first
>language is English.
This would make more sense if Spanish speakers hadn't been here
the whole time saying them the same way.
>Spanish, like it or not, is the langauge of the underclass
Maybe so, but that's where I'll cast my lot. Do the math.
The more humorous part of this is that I do so much work in Spain...
I know they have a slightly different view of the relative "class"
of by-cracky-sayin' geezers over there.
ObObFood: When my parents were here, we all went to Le Petit Bistro
near Castro on El Camino. They made up a special pasta for my
kids, who loved their food. The menu is very traditional... filet
mignon au poivre, coq au vin... even "Eastern" with its lobster
bisque. That was a nice change of pace, although I wouldn't say
the food rated in the "superlative" category even if it was very
good. The prices are more reasonable than some places though,
especially the wine, which was one of the better ones I've had of
late for $55. Everyone was very friendly there too.
My parents didn't like the wine though... it wasn't sweet enough.
They both had the herb chicken breast, though, which satisfied
their desire for relatively plain food well enough. I could have
hardly asked for better for a hodge-podge of family tastes.
To round off another inquiry I made in connection with that trip,
and to atone for no food comments in my previous post of this
thread, we ended up stopping at "Lindsey's at the Summit" for brunch
on the previous Sunday after hiking. My expectations weren't too
high, but they were a pleasant surprise. They had decent menu
choices, and the preparations were tasty.
Chester
>chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester) writes:
>> Or probably not as there are probably a lot more immigrants in
>> Cupertino from either Taiwan or Hong Kong and not the mainland (or
>> should I say "Cathay"?), Geoff.
>
>Hong Kong *isn't* on the mainland?
No, it's not. If it were *on* the mainland, it wouldn't be an island.
> Besides, nineteen ninety-seven
>was some time ago; the place is in commie hands now.
>
>You're splitting hairs. Historically it's the same culture
Are you going with political ownership or cultural identity? Are
Puerto Ricans just like us mainlanders? For that matter, are
Hawaiians? Beijing controls Hong Kong now, but the cultural divides
between Hong Kong and mainland China are legion. Even more dramatic
than the cultural differences between Taiwan and the mainland, which
are pretty dramatic enough.
One need not even go to China/HK/Taiwan to appreciate such
differences. Just go out and have "Chinese" at a lot of different
places.
>, and Red
>China claims that Taiwan is a renegade province, anyway.
And you apparently place so much credence upon the judgements of "Red
China." It's always nice when the commies agree with your Usenet
posts, isn't it? I'm always delighted when Fidel's pronouncements
back up my posts.
The point, Geoff, is that your original statement that Cupertino has
somehow morphed into "Shanghai" is ill-informed, aside from the fact
that many would consider it at least slightly racist. But I won't
argue that point otherwise this'll turn more into a flame thread than
it perhaps already is.
Suffice to say that you might really enjoy visiting those cities:
Shanghai, Hong Kong, Taipei, Beijing, and others. I think you'd
really enjoy the eats and find that all four have very distinct
cultures that don't easily fall under the pan-umbrella of "Chinese."
For that and other reasons, most from Hong Kong or Taiwan would
probably resent your insinuating that they're from Shanghai or seem
like Shanghaiese--ObFood being that Shanghaiese food is pretty cruddy.
But someone from Shanghai would probably resent *me* for saying so.
Another ObFood: pizza in Beijing (Pizza Hut) is even worse than
Pizzeria Uno's...even though Pizza Hut pizza isn't necessarily worse
than Uno's here in the States. Meanwhile, Pizza Hut pizza is MUCH
better in Hong Kong than in Beijing.
Chester
Peter L
>
> On 12 Apr 2000 16:32:45 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
> >chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester) writes:
> >> Or probably not as there are probably a lot more immigrants in
> >> Cupertino from either Taiwan or Hong Kong and not the mainland (or
> >> should I say "Cathay"?), Geoff.
> >
> >Hong Kong *isn't* on the mainland?
>
> No, it's not. If it were *on* the mainland, it wouldn't be an island.
>
Well, splitting hair, there is Hong Kong, and there is Hong Kong
Island. Kind of like the Bay Area and San Francisco.
Todd Michel McComb
Chester <chester [at] chesternet [dot] org> wrote:
>Pizza Hut pizza isn't necessarily worse than Uno's here in the
>States.
Come on, Chester, you're just not talking sense. I guess you don't
like the style at Uno's, but really... no comparison on the cost of
ingredients, that's for sure.
Chester
wrote:
>Well, splitting hair, there is Hong Kong, and there is Hong Kong
>Island. Kind of like the Bay Area and San Francisco.
Sure, but why confuse Geoff with Kowloon and the New Territories and
such? He's having a hard enough time with the pronunciation of
"Cupertino."
Chester
Chester
McComb) wrote:
>Chester <chester [at] chesternet [dot] org> wrote:
>>Pizza Hut pizza isn't necessarily worse than Uno's here in the
>>States.
>
>Come on, Chester, you're just not talking sense. I guess you don't
>like the style at Uno's, but really... no comparison on the cost of
>ingredients, that's for sure.
Yeah, I guess you're right...I just really don't like deep-dish. I
feel like I'm eating congealed quiche or something. But even with
chain deep-dish, I'd opt for Pizza Chicago.
But I still stand by my "Beijing pizza worse than no pizza at all"
claim. Dad-gummit.
Chester
Ian Mac Lure
: Why do the So BA born and bred folks I know pronounce LG as
: Lahs Gattis? (instead of Lowes Got-owes or whatever)
Folks out here have it easy. Back east half the places
have local indigenous names designed to be mispronounced.
Heck, in New Hampshire the only thing more popular than
running the "You can't get theah from heah" con on visitors
is the "how do the heck do you spell that cause I sure ain't
gonna try and say it" game.
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Todd Michel McComb
Aahz Maruch <aa...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Le Petit Bistro is okay, but their only reason for existence is
>their creme brulee.
I had it, actually. It was OK, but nothing special. The wine
was definitely more notable.
Todd Michel McComb
Natarajan Krishnaswami <nx...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
>What exactly is creme brulee? It looks like a random custard/pudding
>with a crust of caramelized sugar.
Yeah, that's it. I like creme brulee, and mine at Le Petit Bistro
was good, but it wasn't better than any number of others I've had
around here. It's a particularly dense custard. I'm happy with
vanilla, personally, but some places include fruit.
Aahz Maruch
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>
>ObObFood: When my parents were here, we all went to Le Petit Bistro
>near Castro on El Camino. They made up a special pasta for my
>kids, who loved their food. The menu is very traditional... filet
>mignon au poivre, coq au vin... even "Eastern" with its lobster
>bisque. That was a nice change of pace, although I wouldn't say
>the food rated in the "superlative" category even if it was very
>good. The prices are more reasonable than some places though,
>especially the wine, which was one of the better ones I've had of
>late for $55. Everyone was very friendly there too.
Le Petit Bistro is okay, but their only reason for existence is their
creme brulee.
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and Ritalin? --Aahz
Natarajan Krishnaswami
> I had it, actually. It was OK, but nothing special. The wine
> was definitely more notable.
Heh, if you'd had a $55 creme brulee....
What exactly is creme brulee? It looks like a random custard/pudding
with a crust of caramelized sugar.
<N/>
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Icono Clast
> : Why do the So BA born and bred folks I know pronounce LG as
> : Lahs Gattis? (instead of Lowes Got-owes or whatever)
Being a good San Franciscan, I speak both English and Spanish. How I
pronounce a place name depends upon which language I'm speaking at the
moment. If I'm speaking English, I'll use something like the "Lahs
Gattis" above and if Spanish, I'll pronounce it correctly.
As an aside, in the Argentine Tango scene, San Francisco is
affectionately known as "BA Norte". We, and environs, have the largest
Tango scene on Earth with the possible exception of Buenos Aires.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Icono Clast -- A San Franciscan posting from San Francisco.
Geoff Miller
Earlier I wrote:
: You say "Loss On-hay-lace," and people are going to look at you
: funny.
mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) replies:
> There's a rather sizeable group of people who wouldn't look at
> you funny at all....
There's a rather sizable group of people who wouldn't look at
you funny if you had facial piercings and purple hair, either.
Of course, once one steps beyond either milieu, one finds oneself
blinking in the bright sunlight of the cultural mainstream. And
in the mainstream, We Don't Do Things That Way; our pronunciation
often differs from what one hears in ethnic enclaves. I doubt
even you are so devoted to linguistic authenticity that you say
"Wolksvoggin," for instance.
ObFood: Why is it that when I'm in a Chinese restaurant, and I
order a Tsing Tao beer and pronounce it in the allegedly-correct
manner ("Ching Dao"), the waiter will often pronounce it the way
it's actually spelled in the course of acknowledging my order?
It's a lose-lose situation.
> he more humorous part of this is that I do so much work in Spain...
> I know they have a slightly different view of the relative "class"
> of by-cracky-sayin' geezers over there.
Of course, that begs the question of whether the the class of people
who pronounce Spanish-origin words in the American manner really
are predominatly the by-cracky-sayin' geezers you mentioned with
such admirable hyperbole. It's been my experience that they're
hardly representative.
> When my parents were here, we all went to Le Petit Bistro near
> Castro on El Camino.
I've wondered about that place for a long time, seeing as how it's
right next door to the El Paso Cafe (my "local pub," as it were).
One of these days I'll eschew my usual pint of Sierra Nevada and
Chicken Super Burrito, and toddle on in for some'a that Frenchie
food. Considering the way I gleefully murder the French language
with my mispronunciations, I'm sure I'll be an instant hit. (The
employees at La Baguette at Stanford Shopping Center have begun
to cringe when they see me coming.)
Geoff "Gimme one'a them 'pains ox poms!'" Miller
--
"They call it 'PMS' because 'mad cow disease' was already taken."
-- Jeff Zurschmeide
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Of course, once one steps beyond either milieu, one finds oneself
>blinking in the bright sunlight of the cultural mainstream.
One merely steps from one milieu to another. It's comforting to
feel as though one is part of a mainstream, I suppose, but I've
certainly never felt that way.
>ObFood: Why is it that when I'm in a Chinese restaurant, and I
>order a Tsing Tao beer and pronounce it in the allegedly-correct
>manner ("Ching Dao"), the waiter will often pronounce it the way
>it's actually spelled in the course of acknowledging my order?
I'm guessing you're not actually saying it well enough.
>such admirable hyperbole
I didn't want to lose that battle right from the onset!
>El Paso Cafe (my "local pub," as it were)
That's a nice place... good beer value, and Tex-Mex food. Some
Texans I know swear by it.
Peter L
>
>
> ObFood: Why is it that when I'm in a Chinese restaurant, and I
> order a Tsing Tao beer and pronounce it in the allegedly-correct
> manner ("Ching Dao"), the waiter will often pronounce it the way
> it's actually spelled in the course of acknowledging my order?
> It's a lose-lose situation.
>
Cantonese v. Mandarin?
Karen Anderson O'Mara
I love that beer and now I know how to pronounce it! tanks! I always
said "sing tao" kinda.
Karen
Todd Michel McComb
Karen Anderson O'Mara <ka...@randomgraphics.com> wrote:
>I love that beer and now I know how to pronounce it!
There is no way an ASCII transcription of that sort is going to
tell you the tones of the syllables, and without having them correct,
the result of such a pronunciation will be unintelligible.
ObFood: One reason I like Tien Fu for Chinese is that they have
American beers (Anchor, etc.) on tap.
Geoff Miller
Earlier I wrote:
: Hong Kong *isn't* on the mainland?
Peiping into his monitor, chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester)
responds:
> No, it's not. If it were *on* the mainland, it wouldn't be
> an island.
I'm sure the news that Hong Kong is an island would come as a great
shock to those folks trying to cross through that fence into the
Shenzen Special Economic Zone.
The island is Victoria, geography boy. The rest of the colony,
apart from a scattering of inconsequential islets, is on the
mainland -- Kowloon, the New Territories, and all that. Hong
Kong is no more an island because of Victoria than the Bay Area
is an island because of Alameda.
> Are you going with political ownership or cultural identity?
Cultural identity -- in the historical sense, specifically.
Obviously there are going to be some cultural variations between,
say, a Hong Kong banker and some random palooka from Peking who
grew up wearing a Mao suit and waving the Little Red Book in the
air while chanting about death to the running dogs of revisionism.
Then again, that's not to say that they wouldn't have more in
common than they'd have setting them apart from each other; the
ROC on Taiwan has only existed since 1949, after all, and that's
not long in historical terms. The existence of differences hardly
negates the possibility of even greater similarities.
> Are Puerto Ricans just like us mainlanders? For that matter,
> are Hawaiians?
Whether they are or aren't has no bearing on Chinese, either directly
or analogically. Puerto Ricans are not historically of a mainstream
American (read: historically European) culture, but of a Latin American
one. Chinese, on the other hand, are ethnically and culturally
Chinese whether they're in Chungking (ObFood: "With six, you get
eggroll!"), Taipei, or Kowloon. Therefore, Puerto Rico isn't terribly
relevant to the discussion. But thank you for playing; you'll receive
a home version of our game as a consolation prize in six to eight weeks.
As for Hawaiians, it so happens that I've lived in Hawaii (and may
very well again). I can say with some authority that aside from the
ethnic enclaves that any locale has, the differences between mainstream
Hawaiian culture and mainstream Mainland culture are no greater than
the cultural differences between many locales on the Mainland. There
are a lot of things that are distinctly Hawaiian, but what's relevant
to this dicussion is degree, not kind.
> Beijing controls Hong Kong now, but the cultural divides between
> Hong Kong and mainland China are legion.
True, but that says nothing about the extent of the similarities.
> One need not even go to China/HK/Taiwan to appreciate such
> differences. Just go out and have "Chinese" at a lot of different
> places.
Been there, done that, got the fortune cookie.
: and Red China claims that Taiwan is a renegade province, anyway.
> And you apparently place so much credence upon the judgements of
> "Red China." It's always nice when the commies agree with your
> Usenet posts, isn't it? I'm always delighted when Fidel's
> pronouncements back up my posts.
Let's not be disingenuous, now. What's relevant isn't that the mur-
derous ChiComs agree with my USENET posts (although a billion people
sharing my sentiments never fails to give me the warm-n-fuzzies), but
that their tireless and strident claims to Taiwan are pretty damned
convincing evidence of the fact that historically, Taiwan and mainland
China are of a common culture. I'm sure even "The Peanut," as Vinegar
Joe Stilwell called Chiang Kai-Shek, would've agreed with that.
(By the way, if you really do have the ear of Fidel, would you please
exert whatever influence you can to put a rapid end to this Elian
Gonzalez thing? I'm getting _really_ tired of hearing about it.)
> The point, Geoff, is that your original statement that Cupertino
> has somehow morphed into "Shanghai" is ill-informed, aside from
> the fact that many would consider it at least slightly racist.
"Many" would have their heads firmly up their keisters if they
considered it even slightly racist.
Why would it be "racist" to acknowledge that Cupertino is overrun
with Chinese? Would it be similarly "racist" to point out that it
was strikingly Italian back in the Sixties, or is that a different
kettle of fish because Italians are Caucasian and therefore not a
protected species?
Besides, your observation is a wee bit presumptuous because you know
pecisely nothing about *my* ethnic background. If you're assuming
that I'm white just because of my name (you have nothing else to go
on), you're on pretty thin intellectual ice.
I picked Shanghai as an arbitrary, off-the-cuff symbol of China
because it's a major and well-known city. Whether or not most of
the Chinese immigrant population of Cupertino are literally from
mainland China, as opposed to Taiwan or Hong Kong, is beside the
point since they are, in fact, nevertheless ethnically Chinese.
Employing Shanghai as an informal symbol of greater China is just
as valid as thinking of New York as an informal icon of the United
States, or of Loss On-hay-lace as symbolic of California. No amount
of hair-splitting or _reducto ad absurdum_ posturing will change
that.
> But I won't argue that point otherwise this'll turn more into a
> flame thread than it perhaps already is.
ObFlameBait: Then you lose by default.
Maybe my definitional threshold is higher than yours, but I certainly
don't consider this a flame thread. We disagree, but we've remained
quite civil so far. I'll even confess to enjoying this -- especially
the part where you claimed that Hong Kong is an island.
Geoff
Felis Concolor
some idiot, but then remarks:
>Why would it be "racist" to acknowledge that Cupertino is overrun
>with Chinese?
Uhm, "overrun" has a slightly pejorative connotation.
Lenore Levine
--
"Cats could pull off plaids with stripes, or tan shoes
with pink shoelaces and a polka-dot vest. It's all in
the attitude." -- Erick Vermillion-Salsbury, graphic artist
Geoff Miller
chester [at] chesternet [dot] org (Chester) sniffs:
> ure, but why confuse Geoff with Kowloon and the New Territories
> and such? He's having a hard enough time with the pronunciation
> of "Cupertino."
Uh-huh. I do just fine with the pronunciation of Cupertino, thanks
-- having grown up there and gone to the schools and all.[*]
You, on the other hand, thought Hong Kong was an island... [**]
[*] Gee, I bet you feel about an inch tall now.
[**] "Meow!"
Chester
>-- having grown up there and gone to the schools and all.[*]
>
My gosh, I don't think I could possibly disagree with such a mature
and non-hackneyed put-down! Perhaps you should try something more
original..."yo mama" jokes perhaps?
>You, on the other hand, thought Hong Kong was an island... [**]
>
> [**] "Meow!"
So that "Hong Kong Island" on the map is just a figment of my
imagination? [*]
[*] Uh..."Ruff Ruff?"
Chester
Chester
wrote:
>geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) does a good job of (ObFood) filleting
>some idiot, but then remarks:
>
>>with Chinese?
>
Which, it seems, isn't exactly by accident.
Chester
dke...@best.com
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Why would it be "racist" to acknowledge that Cupertino is overrun
>with Chinese?
Because "overrun" has exclusively negative connotations. You
wouldn't say that if you thought it was a good thing that Cupertino
has a lot of Chinese people living there.
Or, well, you might. But only because you like stirring up trouble.
--
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Geoff Miller
conc...@netcom.com (Felis Concolor) writes:
> Uhm, "overrun" has a slightly pejorative connotation.
Oh, poodlespooge; you just think that because you're a liberal,
and ate therefore hypersensitive and eager to take offense on
other people's behalf at
the drop of a hat.
The word is a way of expressing the idea that a particular
group has moved in in striking and overwhelming numbers.
How the utterer happens to feel about the people in question
is immaterial and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on his
choice of words.
Perhaps there's no greater symbol of the evolution of Cupertino
from a largely Italian orchard town to seemingly the largest
Asian enclave in the Bay Area (with the possible exception of
Milpitas) than the shopping center at the corner of Homestead
and Wolfe Roads. I remember when that shopping center opened
in the summer of 1967. What's now a Ranch 99 was originally a
Safeway; it was where my mother bought our groceries at that
time, in fact. It was a typical whitebread suburban California
shopping center with a Hallmark shop, a liquor store, a small
independent record store, and the like in addition to the Safeway.
Nowadays, as our friend Larry said the other day, it has more
Oriental signage than he saw in Singapore. (Mind you, this isn't
a complaint. I love shopping at Ranch 99, and walking through that
shopping center in general.) But that transformation would obviously
never have happened without a huge ethnic community to support it,
and the place is therefore an apt symbol of how Cupertino has changed.
The neighborhood around the building where I work is quite similar;
the only round-eye retail business on that quadrant of the intersection
is a Togo's sandwich shop.
ObCupertino: I finally had lunch at a Chinese restaurant I've
been meaning to try for some time, Cuisineer Six on Stevens Creek
Blvd. at Blaney Avenue. I went with a group of three other people
from work, and while we didn't eat family-style (and so I only
got to try the item I actually ordered), I was happy with my
selection. Everybody else was as well, and their food looked
quite good. The menu offered a range of lunchtime selections
on one side in the $4-$6 range, and a lengthy list of specials
on the other for $9 or thereabouts. Portions are quite large,
and presentation is standard -- medium-sized oval platters for
the main dishes, with steamed rice served in an open glass bowl
-- a departure from the usual flat-topped brown plastic contri-
vance with the slot for the ride paddle in the side.
Cuisineer Six is much larger than it appears from the street, and is
a lot nicer than I expected it to be. It's quite pleasantly decorated,
and the sense of spaciousness is enhanced by the wide picture windows
(offering a breathtaking, panoramic view of Stevens Creek) interspersed
with mirrors. No idea what's behind the curious and rather awkward
name; I assume that there are at least five other Cuisineer restaurants
someplace, or perhaps five previous iterations of the current one. It
also raises the question of how people pronounce the name -- specifical-
ly, whether they pronounce the first two syllables as "quiz-ZEEN," or
they mangle them into KWEE-zin" like they do in "Cuisinart." So this
joint is known either as "quiz-zuh-NEER Six" or "KWEE-zin-eer Six."
Take your pick -- but be prepared to be laughed at if I hear you,
either way.
I selected the Mongolian beef for my first go-around. As previously
mentioned, one of my personal criteria of credibility for any Chinese
restaurant that I try is whether they make their Mongolian beef with
green onions or bell peppers. This one passed the test with flying
colors, serving up a moderately spicy dish with tender strips of lean
beef mixed with green onions, laid over a thin, decorative base of
those "packing" foam" crispy rice noodles. I laid off the Tsing Tao,
not wanting to get goofy, come back to work and sing three chorusues
of "Semper Paratus" into Scooter's Dictaphone, and opted for iced
tea instead. My companions chose Szechuan prawns, some chicken dish
that I don't remember, and the ObSweet&SourPork. All of us were
more than satisfied. I was the only member of our group to employ
chopsticks all the way through the meal, leaving me insufferably
smug for the remainder of the afternoon.
In summary, Cuisineer Six may not pack the panache of Ming's or Chef
Chu's, but it's a pleasant, servicable and moderately-upscale place
to screw down some pretty damned decent Chinese food.
Geoff Miller
dke...@best.com (Dave Eisen) writes:
> Because "overrun" has exclusively negative connotations.
No, it does not. It's an expression of emphasis, not one of
distaste. It can certainly used in contexts where it could
convey negativity (e.g., it's a safe bet that Lord Chelmsford's
regiments didn't view their camp at Isandlwana's being "overrun"
by the Zulus in a positive light), but not necessarily so.
> You wouldn't say that if you thought it was a good thing that
> Cupertino has a lot of Chinese people living there.
You have no idea whatsoever what I would or wouldn't say under
various circumstances. On the contrary, I *like* having a Mr.
Chau's right down the street.
> Or, well, you might. But only because you like stirring up
> trouble.
Translation: "I disagree with you quite a bit, ergo you're a
troublemaker." If you think I like to stir up trouble, why
doesn't it occur to you to wonder why others are so easily
offended?
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>It can certainly used in contexts where it could convey negativity,
>but not necessarily so.
I'll keep an eye out for your dictionary to be published. I'm sure
it'll be enlightening.
>If you think I like to stir up trouble, why doesn't it occur to
>you to wonder why others are so easily offended?
Sure, it's hand & glove. You're a fun guy. I'll buy you a beer
sometime.
Chester
>I'm sure the news that Hong Kong is an island would come as a great
>shock to those folks trying to cross through that fence into the
>Shenzen Special Economic Zone.
I'm sure it would. But saying that there is a Hong Kong Island isn't
equivalent to saying that all of Hong Kong is on that island, as a
goodly portion of the cool "Hong Kong" stuff is on Kowloon-side. I
really enjoy Tsim Sha Tsui and that Ocean-something shopping center.
>The island is Victoria, geography boy. The rest of the colony,
>apart from a scattering of inconsequential islets, is on the
>mainland -- Kowloon, the New Territories, and all that.
I guess that would be a big surprise to the folks that pass by the go
by the government buildings in Central, the vast department stores in
Causeway Bay, the stadium, the convention center...and all that.
Look, just to sum up this whole geography-debate, I think we can both
agree that Hong Kong consists of an island and a peninsula. Hong Kong
isn't only an island, but there is a Hong Kong Island and the "Hong
Kong side" contains a whole slew of rather significant stuff, while
the Kowloon side does as well. Agreed?
>Obviously there are going to be some cultural variations between,
>say, a Hong Kong banker and some random palooka from Peking who
>grew up wearing a Mao suit and waving the Little Red Book in the
>air while chanting about death to the running dogs of revisionism.
Actually, there would be a great deal of cultural variation between
someone from Hong Kong and someone from Beijing, pre or
post-Communism.
>Then again, that's not to say that they wouldn't have more in
>common than they'd have setting them apart from each other; the
>ROC on Taiwan has only existed since 1949, after all, and that's
>not long in historical terms.
But a huge difference in cultural terms. Which was my point
entirely--that immigrants from Taiwan are entirely different from
immigrants from Honk Kong, who are different from those from the
Mainland (uh...not to speak on the behalf of the Chinese people of the
world or anything grandiose like that...). But I suppose you don't
really want to consider that, preferring our little geography spat.
>The existence of differences hardly
>negates the possibility of even greater similarities.
In relation to who? Caucasians? Sure, ethnic Chinese are more
similar to one another than they are to Caucasians. But that's not
exactly a meaningful contention to me. I mean, as human beings we all
have a lot more similar to one-another than we do with rhesus monkeys,
but that doesn't mean that we don't have significant and meaningful
differences between us.
>Puerto Rico isn't terribly
>relevant to the discussion.
It was until you specified that you were dealing with cultural rather
than political terms.
>Hawaiian culture and mainstream Mainland culture are no greater than
>the cultural differences between many locales on the Mainland.
The point is, would Hawaiians be properly characterized by lumping
them together with, for example, Atlantans?
>> Beijing controls Hong Kong now, but the cultural divides between
>> Hong Kong and mainland China are legion.
>
>True, but that says nothing about the extent of the similarities.
Absolutely. That was my entire point, Geoff. You view them as being
more similar to one another than to you. This perhaps is natural as
all ethnic Chinese share physical traits.
But my feeling is that your lumping all Chinese immigrants together
speaks to your lack of familiarity with Chinese culture. Of course,
nobody expects you to differentiate between Taiwanese and mainland
Chinese to the extent that a Chinese of whatever origin would, so no
big deal.
I think if you maybe gave yourself the chance to get to know Chinese
culture a little more (perhaps as adeptly as you surely know Italian,
Irish, German, French, etc. culture), you A. wouldn't lump all
Chinese together in one stew, and B. wouldn't exhibit the resentment
toward Chinese immigrants that you apparently do. Perhaps this is
just my opinion and you don't really resent the shifting of
demographics in your hometown. I don't truly know, but that's the way
it feels to me. I think you'd be much happier if you got used to your
new neighbors just as generations of Americans have had to do so.
>that their tireless and strident claims to Taiwan are pretty damned
>convincing evidence of the fact that historically, Taiwan and mainland
>China are of a common culture.
Well, first, having come from a common original culture doesn't mean
they exhibit the same culture now. Secondly, this has a lot more to
do with politics than it has to do with culture.
>(By the way, if you really do have the ear of Fidel, would you please
>exert whatever influence you can to put a rapid end to this Elian
>Gonzalez thing? I'm getting _really_ tired of hearing about it.)
At least on this, we can agree. I'm not going to ask you where you
think Elian should go because I'm afraid we'll disagree on that.
>> The point, Geoff, is that your original statement that Cupertino
>> has somehow morphed into "Shanghai" is ill-informed, aside from
>> the fact that many would consider it at least slightly racist.
>
>"Many" would have their heads firmly up their keisters if they
>considered it even slightly racist.
Your statement that we might as well call Cupertino "Shanghai" now,
and also your later statement that Cupertino has been "overrun" by
Chinese...well, it's not burning-crosses-on-the-lawn racist, or even
obvious-racial-slur-racist, but it's pretty strident, Geoff.
Characterize it however you like but I think it leaves a bad taste in
a lot of people's mouths. If you're not of the mindset that you
resent Chinese immigrating to your neighborhood, I would just like to
give you my opinion that your statements seem to signal otherwise.
>Why would it be "racist" to acknowledge that Cupertino is overrun
>with Chinese? Would it be similarly "racist" to point out that it
>was strikingly Italian back in the Sixties,
It's all in the phrasing. "Strikingly" is a term that carries no
hostility, whereas "overrun" is rife with it. If you didn't mean to
convey hostility, then you might think about using a different term.
>or is that a different
>kettle of fish because Italians are Caucasian and therefore not a
>protected species?
Since when have Chinese been a protected species? We come from a
country that has pandas, but are not pandas ourselves.
>Besides, your observation is a wee bit presumptuous because you know
>pecisely nothing about *my* ethnic background. If you're assuming
>that I'm white just because of my name (you have nothing else to go
>on), you're on pretty thin intellectual ice.
Why would you assume that I presume you to be Caucasian? Racists (and
I'm not saying you are) come in all colors.
>I picked Shanghai as an arbitrary, off-the-cuff symbol of China
>because it's a major and well-known city.
Right, of course.
> Whether or not most of
>the Chinese immigrant population of Cupertino are literally from
>mainland China, as opposed to Taiwan or Hong Kong, is beside the
>point since they are, in fact, nevertheless ethnically Chinese.
Well, my feeling is that this isn't beside the point. If I were
reading a Chinese newsgroup, I'd resent a categorization of Americans
as being typified by Los Angeles (which I'm sure you could empathize
with).
Perhaps I was throwing an assertion upon you that you wouldn't agree
with. Suffice to say that the Chinese ethnicity encompasses a great
deal of variety that is ill-defined by "Shanghai." Belgians are
unlike the French, Basques are unlike Spaniards, Southerners are
different from Yankees, and so are mainland Chinese, Taiwanese, and
those from Hong Kong.
>Employing Shanghai as an informal symbol of greater China is just
>as valid as thinking of New York as an informal icon of the United
>States, or of Loss On-hay-lace as symbolic of California.
"Valid" is a relative term. I'd say reducing the US to NY, SF, or LA
would be an invalid characterization for its total lack of accuracy.
>Maybe my definitional threshold is higher than yours, but I certainly
>don't consider this a flame thread. We disagree, but we've remained
>quite civil so far.
More or less. I think there have been times when you've come across
to me as being patronizing and--self-admittedly--antagonistic. I
don't appreciate the way you've phrased some of your arguments, but I
figure it doesn't really matter much and perhaps you don't even mean
such statements maliciously, are just joshing, and the tone doesn't
come across with your text. I'm willing to take that as the
likelihood until it become obviously otherwise. For that reason, I've
refrained from referring to you as something like "Geography-Boy" as
you have me.
But at least we're not descending into profanity.
Chester
Michael Nelson
->Cuisineer Six is much larger than it appears from the street, and is
->a lot nicer than I expected it to be. It's quite pleasantly decorated,
->and the sense of spaciousness is enhanced by the wide picture windows
->(offering a breathtaking, panoramic view of Stevens Creek) interspersed
->with mirrors. No idea what's behind the curious and rather awkward
->name; I assume that there are at least five other Cuisineer restaurants
->someplace, or perhaps five previous iterations of the current one.
Or perhaps even SIX others, if they are UNIX/C literate! ;-)
Michael
--
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to
achieve immortality by not dying." -- Woody Allen
Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA nel...@imat.com
Chester
>> Uhm, "overrun" has a slightly pejorative connotation.
>Oh, poodlespooge; you just think that because you're a liberal,
>and ate therefore hypersensitive and eager to take offense on
>other people's behalf at
>the drop of a hat.
You know, there is a never-ending downward spiral to all this:
offense, oversensitivity to offense, oversensitivity to the
oversensitivity to the offense, and so on and so forth.
>The word is a way of expressing the idea that a particular
>group has moved in in striking and overwhelming numbers.
Okay, I really feel lame playing dictionary games, but here's
definition 1 from Merriam-Webster:
1 a (1) : to defeat decisively and occupy the positions of (2) : to
invade and occupy or ravage b : to spread or swarm over : INFEST
I don't put this in to say that you feel that Chinese are *INFESTING*
Cupertino--and I'm not saying that it's so because Merriam-Webster
says so. I just wanted to point out that this is the common
conception of the word "overrun." Maybe this word has a different
connotation for you, but maybe now you can see why others were
sensitive to the implications of your word selection.
If you didn't mean to liken Chinese to the Golden Horde or to...er,
cockroaches, then I think you should probably pick another word in the
future. Pick whatever word you feel characterizes your thoughts best,
but know that "overrun" is almost universally considered to have a
pejorative meaning.
>How the utterer happens to feel about the people in question
>is immaterial and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on his
>choice of words.
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly here. Are you saying that
a person's word choice isn't at least influenced by his personal
mindset? Like a Klan member isn't more likely to use the word
"nigger?"
[Perhaps unnecessary clarification: I'm not calling you a Klan member,
Geoff.]
>transformation would obviously
>never have happened without a huge ethnic community to support it,
>and the place is therefore an apt symbol of how Cupertino has changed.
Nobody contests that a lot of chinese-americans have moved to
Cupertino. It's just that "overrun by Chinese" really doesn't sound
nice.
>the only round-eye retail business on that quadrant of the intersection
>is a Togo's sandwich shop.
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "quadrant," but there's Duke of
Edinburgh right next to the shopping center, Vallco right down the
street, and--not a shop--HP occupying the entirety of a square city
block.
BTW, I ate at the Japanese sushi/steakhouse place in the center and it
was very, very, pedestrian. Not recommended. We should have probably
heeded the fact that it was near-empty.
>ObCupertino: I finally had lunch at a Chinese restaurant I've
>been meaning to try for some time, Cuisineer Six on Stevens Creek
>Blvd. at Blaney Avenue. I went with a group of three other people
>from work, and while we didn't eat family-style (and so I only
>got to try the item I actually ordered),
Just curious, but why is this? Were there people in the group that
would have been squeamish about the communal nature of "family style"
servings? It's something that I've always preferred about Chinese
restaurants--the ability to taste everything and the more intimate
vibe that sharing brings--along with circular tables so that you can
converse with those not immediately next to you.
Random thought: it may not be awesome in terms of food, but I do
really love how Buca di Beppo's serves dishes family-style.
>No idea what's behind the curious and rather awkward
>name;
I've never figured this one out myself. I call it "KWEE-zin-neer,"
but this is based on nothing but the similarity to "Cuisinart" that
you cite.
Chester
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
You mean: beers you can pronounce?
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo County, CA
Todd Michel McComb
After Geoff is finished with me, I'll probably have better luck
with Tsing Tao. I won't be able to touch Sierra Nevada, that's
for sure.
The more serious answer is that I like beer as fresh as possible,
not to mention I think Anchor just plain makes better beer (more
body, etc.).
Chester
McComb) wrote:
> Anchor just plain makes better beer (more
>body, etc.).
Yeah, just plain tastes better. I only order Tsing Tao at Chinese
restaurants because it somehow feels right (just like Kingfisher does
at a Thai restaurant or Taj Mahal does at an Indian...). But more
often than not, I'll have a Heinekin even in a Chinese restaurant.
But I actually really do like Sierra...
Chester
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
> In article <wmPSh7...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu>,
> <eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>You mean: beers you can pronounce?
>
> After Geoff is finished with me, I'll probably have better luck
> with Tsing Tao. I won't be able to touch Sierra Nevada, that's
> for sure.
>
> The more serious answer is that I like beer as fresh as possible,
> body, etc.).
I don't disagree. Frankly, I've always found Tsing Tao too sweet, and I'd
love to have Anchor Steam on draft at more Chinese restaurants.
Peter L
>
> >
> > ObFood: One reason I like Tien Fu for Chinese is that they have
> > American beers (Anchor, etc.) on tap.
>
>
> Al Eisner
> San Mateo County, CA
Who wants to pronounce beer?! Beers' for drinking.
Todd Michel McComb
mag...@rahul.net
wrote:
>>ObCupertino: I finally had lunch at a Chinese restaurant I've
>>been meaning to try for some time, Cuisineer Six on Stevens Creek
>>Blvd. at Blaney Avenue. I went with a group of three other people
>>from work, and while we didn't eat family-style (and so I only
>>got to try the item I actually ordered),
>
>Just curious, but why is this? Were there people in the group that
>would have been squeamish about the communal nature of "family style"
>servings? It's something that I've always preferred about Chinese
>restaurants--the ability to taste everything and the more intimate
>vibe that sharing brings--along with circular tables so that you can
>converse with those not immediately next to you.
Most places serve lunch plates with entree and rice all on the plate you eat
from, rather than serving family style. It's easier for the kitchen to just
serve everyone lunch plates, so ordering from the family style menu is subtly
discouraged.
I usually eat lunch plate style when eating at lunch on the weekdays, in the
interest of efficiency (getting back to the office quickly) but prefer family
style for lunches on the weekends, or dinners anytime.
jc
Michael Dix
(ObPickwick Papers):
Chester wrote:
>
> On 13 Apr 2000 21:50:23 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
> >the only round-eye retail business on that quadrant of the intersection
> >is a Togo's sandwich shop.
Uhhh.. I'm guessing Geoff's talking about Kiely and that street between
El Camino
and Homestead, where Korean businesses wrap around a Togo's.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "quadrant," but there's Duke of
> Edinburgh right next to the shopping center, Vallco right down the
> street, and--not a shop--HP occupying the entirety of a square city
> block.
Quite a few ethnic Chinese with various birth countries toil there at
HP-Cupertino - including net_legend Danny Low.
>
> BTW, I ate at the Japanese sushi/steakhouse place in the center and it
> was very, very, pedestrian. Not recommended. We should have probably
> heeded the fact that it was near-empty.
>
Southland Taste is the place to go (Taiwanese food). Get the sliced
kidneys with ginger and wine. I am still loath to order the cock
testicles,
usually ordering the house special beef noodles (in broth).
>
> Random thought: it may not be awesome in terms of food, but I do
> really love how Buca di Beppo's serves dishes family-style.
>
Instead of going to a nation-wide chain, give Capp's Corner in SF a try.
You
couldn't hire such veteran waitresses for any amount of money.
Mike Dix
A. Sears
>
> You know, there is a never-ending downward spiral to all this:
> offense, oversensitivity to offense, oversensitivity to the
> oversensitivity to the offense, and so on and so forth.
I think Berke Breathed coined the term "offensensitivity" to describe
just such a phenomenon sometime around 1981 or so.
If he'd only known how bad it would eventually get ...
Jon Binkley
>Yeah, just plain tastes better. I only order Tsing Tao at Chinese
>restaurants because it somehow feels right (just like Kingfisher does
>at a Thai restaurant or Taj Mahal does at an Indian...).
Kingfisher is also an Indian beer. Singha is what you want
to get in a Thai restaurant. It is also a very good beer
in its own right--worth getting even outside of Thai restaurants,
unlike anything from India or China that I've ever tried.
Chester
wrote:
>Kingfisher is also an Indian beer. Singha is what you want
>to get in a Thai restaurant. It is also a very good beer
>in its own right--worth getting even outside of Thai restaurants,
>unlike anything from India or China that I've ever tried.
That's right. Stupid me.
I'd have to agree with you on Chinese beers, sadly. When traveling
through China with a student group, I had ample opportunity to taste
the regional beers at every stop. Essentially the same as Tsing Tao,
only worse. But, then again, they cost less than a quarter per 22oz.
bottle so nobody was bellyaching too loudly.
Chester
Chester
wrote:
>Uhhh.. I'm guessing Geoff's talking about Kiely and that street between
>El Camino
>and Homestead, where Korean businesses wrap around a Togo's.
Benton. From what I can remember as a child, there was never really
anything there that was compelling. Even having loitered in the 7-11
there as a child, I don't remember any of the older businesses except
for some haircutting emporium and a fish store.
>Instead of going to a nation-wide chain, give Capp's Corner in SF a try.
I will if I get the chance. What's it like, though--aside from the
righteous wait staff?
Chester
orl...@cupertinox.killspam.us.com
Chester <chester [at] chesternet [dot] org> wrote:
>>Oh, poodlespooge; you just think that because you're a liberal,
>>and ate therefore hypersensitive and eager to take offense on
>>other people's behalf at
>>the drop of a hat.
my worst dining experience in a chinese restaurant was in cuisineer
six. the food and service absolutely sucked. bland and oily. yum
>
[snip]
>Random thought: it may not be awesome in terms of food, but I do
>really love how Buca di Beppo's serves dishes family-style.
i love some of their dishes...the ravioli platters are huge.
pretty good tiramisu, too.
orlando
Nap98
>Being a good San Franciscan, I speak both English and Spanish. How I
>pronounce a place name depends upon which language I'm speaking at the
>moment. If I'm speaking English, I'll use something like the "Lahs
>Gattis" above and if Spanish, I'll pronounce it correctly.
I've noticed that almost all locally born people, even those who have spanish
speaking parents, change Los Altos into Las Altos, Los Gatos into Las Gatis,
and so on. It's funny how we avoid the "o" in all the Spanish names around
here. Even Los Angeles, every says Las. I wonder why.
And then there's the whole Q-pertino Coopertino thing....
Sort of adds to the local flavor.
-Nick
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Alison Chaiken
na...@aol.com (Nap98) writes:
> And then there's the whole Q-pertino Coopertino thing.... Sort of
> adds to the local flavor.
I haven't noticed the mispronunciations you mention, but my hair is
stood on end by those newscasters and other locals who apparently
believe that the late Cesar Chavez was a French guy. And there's
"Silicone Valley," which I guess is where all the porn stars hang out.
"Nucular" also retains its popularity even in this area of high tech
education.
ObFood: I recommend Kum Kawn restaurant here in the lovely Irvington
district of Fremont. All the usual suspects (bulgogi, bip im bap) are
tasty and well-portioned, as well as a bunch of dishes that I have
never had before. A starchy cold unfiltered rice wine is just about a
meal in itself. Kum Kawn is so uncrowded that I wonder how it stays
in business. The location is near the corner of Fremont and Blacow
just west of the fiver corners intersection.
--
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(650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/
Soft money is the root of all evil.
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
>
>>Being a good San Franciscan, I speak both English and Spanish. How I
>>pronounce a place name depends upon which language I'm speaking at the
>>moment. If I'm speaking English, I'll use something like the "Lahs
>>Gattis" above and if Spanish, I'll pronounce it correctly.
>
> I've noticed that almost all locally born people, even those who have spanish
> speaking parents, change Los Altos into Las Altos, Los Gatos into Las Gatis,
> and so on. It's funny how we avoid the "o" in all the Spanish names around
> here. Even Los Angeles, every says Las. I wonder why.
>
(or "Lawss") rather than the Spanish "Los" in "Los Angeles"; it goes with the
usual Anglicized pronunciation of "Angeles" I've never heard anyone use the
pronunciation "Las" (as in |"Las Vegas"). I've assumed the same is true for
"Los Gatos", but what do I know?
Bob R. Kenyon
eis...@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu wrote:
Hah. When I was growing up in El Lay, we had a mayor by the name of Sam
Yorty who pronounced the name of the town "loss angle-lees".
Michael Dix
>
> In article <20000416013312...@ng-cj1.aol.com>, na...@aol.com (Nap98) writes:
> >
> >>Being a good San Franciscan, I speak both English and Spanish. How I
> >>pronounce a place name depends upon which language I'm speaking at the
> >>moment. If I'm speaking English, I'll use something like the "Lahs
> >>Gattis" above and if Spanish, I'll pronounce it correctly.
> >
> > I've noticed that almost all locally born people, even those who have spanish
> > speaking parents, change Los Altos into Las Altos, Los Gatos into Las Gatis,
> > and so on. It's funny how we avoid the "o" in all the Spanish names around
> > here. Even Los Angeles, every says Las. I wonder why.
> >
> That's simply not true. "Everyone" (well, at least the majority) says "Loss"
> (or "Lawss") rather than the Spanish "Los" in "Los Angeles"; it goes with the
> usual Anglicized pronunciation of "Angeles" I've never heard anyone use the
> pronunciation "Las" (as in |"Las Vegas"). I've assumed the same is true for
> "Los Gatos", but what do I know?
This reminds me of the local conflating of "Don" and "Dawn", and may be
the
same thing. I'm not sure if this is done by locals or transplants.
Mike Dix
Jeffrey Lichtman
> This reminds me of the local conflating of "Don" and "Dawn", and may be
> the
> same thing. I'm not sure if this is done by locals or transplants.
>
> Mike Dix
A friend of mine who is a linguist has told me about a phenomenon
called "leveling" in which distinctions between phonemes tend to be
lost when a place is settled by people from many different places.
That seems to be what's going on here.
--
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