(East Coast) Italian food in SF. . .
Enzo Lombard-Quintero
out here.
Braciole - tried to find a caterer for a wedding here years ago and couldn't
find anyone in North Beach that would do it.
Pasta e Fagiole (my family says it "pasta fah-zool" but I've heard it more
like "pasta fah-jole") is easier to find but I've never found it.
Zabaglione (usually with raspberries)
If anyone knows where I can tap some of this stuff let me know.
thanks so much
Michael Sierchio
> Just back in NY, and so much food that I miss and haven't been able to find
> out here.
>
> Braciole - tried to find a caterer for a wedding here years ago and couldn't
> find anyone in North Beach that would do it.
There aren't any Neapolitan cooks in SF restaurants... And it's
home cooking, in any case.
> Pasta e Fagiole (my family says it "pasta fah-zool" but I've heard it more
> like "pasta fah-jole") is easier to find but I've never found it.
Fazool is the Sicilian dialect version, like arugula for rucola. Again,
it's cucina casalinga, not restaurant cooking.
> Zabaglione (usually with raspberries)
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>
>Just back in NY, and so much food that I miss and haven't been able to find
>out here.
>
>Braciole - tried to find a caterer for a wedding here years ago and couldn't
>find anyone in North Beach that would do it.
>
>Pasta e Fagiole (my family says it "pasta fah-zool" but I've heard it more
>like "pasta fah-jole") is easier to find but I've never found it.
>
>Zabaglione (usually with raspberries)
Seeing the names of those dishes brings me back to my Philadelphia childhood -
South Philly was a great source for that kind of cooking. I've had some good
bean-and-pasta soup somewhere in San Francisco, maybe at Incanto? It's not hard
to make; Marcella ("She Who Must Be Obeyed") Hazan has a nice recipe in her
original "Classic Italian Cooking" book.
Steve Pope
>There aren't any Neapolitan cooks in SF restaurants...
Really? At A16 one of the pizza cooks looked distinctly
Neapolitan to me, and he seemed to be the one supervising
and giving pointers to the other pizza cooks.
Steve
Frank Rizzo
I don't know specifics as to where, but I've seen Pasta e Fagiole at
least a dozen times in the last year. Shouldn't have too much trouble
in North Beach...
Rizzo
Tony Lima
Obvious bait. - Tony
Frank Rizzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
You lost me Tony. What do you mean?
Rizzo
Ciccio
news:I5adnUyPCInHvqPb...@speakeasy.net...
> Enzo Lombard-Quintero wrote:
>> Just back in NY, and so much food that I miss and haven't been able to
>> find
>> out here.
>>
>> Braciole - tried to find a caterer for a wedding here years ago and
>> couldn't
>> find anyone in North Beach that would do it.
> There aren't any Neapolitan cooks in SF restaurants...
Yeah so? Braciole is not strictly or even originally a Napoletane dish.
> And it's home cooking, in any case.
They're not in SF, but as I posted a few months back, much to my pleasant
surprise, Frankie Johnnie and Luigi's has pretty good braciole. Also, look
for "involtini" that's what the Northerners call braciole. Though often veal
is the meat of choice. But hell, I've even seen them use eggplant.
> Fazool is the Sicilian dialect version, like arugula for rucola. Again,
Pasta Fazool is Calabrese, not Siciliani.
> it's cucina casalinga, not restaurant cooking.
Indeed, be careful. Most places in SF that have it on their menus screw it
up like the Northern Italians do by making it like a soup [shakes head in
disgust].
Ciccio
Tony Lima
<champ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
There have been so many complaints lodged here about food
that doesn't meet N.Y. standards that I figured Enzo was
just trying to provoke another flame war. Hence "bait." See
http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=flame%20bait for
details. - Tony
Golden California Girls
> There have been so many complaints lodged here about food
> that doesn't meet N.Y. standards that I figured Enzo was
> just trying to provoke another flame war. Hence "bait." See
> http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=flame%20bait for
> details. - Tony
NY has food? I thought they had grease, rats and cockroaches.
Julian Macassey
That it seems is what New Yorker's like to eat.
--
All the computer people use Macs or Linux now. Windows is for
grandmas - Paul Graham, April 2007
Frank Rizzo
As if. I don't think 95% of San Francisco diners or restauranteurs
give a flip if they meet NY standards. I think it is the other way
around in 2007.
Rizzo
Enzo Lombard-Quintero
Ciccio at franc...@comcast.net wrote on 5/7/07 12:53 AM:
> Frankie Johnnie and Luigi's
Where are they? Is this one place?
Enzo Lombard-Quintero
tony...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 5/7/07 7:34 AM:
> There have been so many complaints lodged here about food
> that doesn't meet N.Y. standards that I figured Enzo was
> just trying to provoke another flame war. Hence "bait." See
> http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=flame%20bait for
> details. - Tony
I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
food everywhere else I've been in the world.
There are a few areas where I can't find certain foods I miss. I was quite
the NY chest pounder when I left but after 16 years I still love the place
but it gives me a headache after about a week.
Not sure what a "flame war" is but every time I've ever asked any question
about food people go off into arguments about semantics. As long as there's
some info along wth the statistics and outrage, I'm happy.
Thanks for the suggestions. I still don't know where "Frankie Johnnie and
Luigis" is or if it is one restaurant or several.
Thanks again
Julian Macassey
<en...@dqdi.com> wrote:
> I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
> food everywhere else I've been in the world.
I would say that Frisco considers itself a Mecca of food,
but I have eaten better food in places all over the world.
Ciccio
> On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:22:45 GMT, Enzo Lombard-Quintero
>
> > I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
> > food everywhere else I've been in the world.
>
> I would say that Frisco considers itself a Mecca of food,
> but I have eaten better food in places all over the world.
SF shines in its diversity. It's much harder to find a good burrito in
Paris, good Chinese food in San Salvador, good pupusas in Shanghai,
etc.
As far as world class restaurants, the BA has no problem holding its
own. "Better food" is a matter of individual taste, greatness is more
objective. No doubt the BA has some the greatest restaurants in
world.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> in article 8WA%h.429790$5j1.257...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
> Ciccio at frances...@comcast.net wrote on 5/7/07 12:53 AM:
>
> > Frankie Johnnie and Luigi's
>
> Where are they? Is this one place?
"Frankie, Johnnie, and Luigi's Too" is the name. They have restaurants
in Dublin, Mountain View, and San Jose.
Ciccio
Julian Macassey
> On May 12, 9:57 am, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:22:45 GMT, Enzo Lombard-Quintero
>>
>> <e...@dqdi.com> wrote:
>> > I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
>> > food everywhere else I've been in the world.
>>
>> I would say that Frisco considers itself a Mecca of food,
>> but I have eaten better food in places all over the world.
>
> SF shines in its diversity. It's much harder to find a good burrito in
> Paris, good Chinese food in San Salvador, good pupusas in Shanghai,
> etc.
Of course it would. The people of Frisco positively bask
in their diversity. They value diversity over quality and
authenticity in fact.
Best Chinese food? San Gabriel Valley (Monterey Park).
Best Burrito? East LA
Best pupusas? Westlake LA
> As far as world class restaurants, the BA has no problem holding its
> own. "Better food" is a matter of individual taste, greatness is more
> objective. No doubt the BA has some the greatest restaurants in
> world.
World class is an overworked meaningless term. Best in
the world? Well, usually you have to go to the part of the world
that does that.
Veronique
> On 12 May 2007 12:31:22 -0700, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On May 12, 9:57 am, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:22:45 GMT, Enzo Lombard-Quintero
>
> >> <e...@dqdi.com> wrote:
> >> > I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
> >> > food everywhere else I've been in the world.
>
> >> I would say that Frisco considers itself a Mecca of food,
> >> but I have eaten better food in places all over the world.
>
> > SF shines in its diversity. It's much harder to find a good burrito in
> > Paris, good Chinese food in San Salvador, good pupusas in Shanghai,
> > etc.
>
> Of course it would. The people of Frisco positively bask
> in their diversity. They value diversity over quality and
> authenticity in fact.
>
> Best Chinese food? San Gabriel Valley (Monterey Park).
> Best Burrito? East LA
> Best pupusas? Westlake LA
>
But he didn't say "best", he said "good" compared to many other cities
in the world. Or are you saying LA tops the Bay Area in quality AND
diversity?
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Ciccio
> Of course it would. The people of Frisco positively bask
> in their diversity.
As well we should. It's one of the qualities that makes it a great
place.
>They value diversity over quality and authenticity in fact.
The nice part is, that we don't need to choose one over the other. The
quality of restaurants in the BA overall is world class.
> World class is an overworked meaningless term. Best in
> the world?
Not if you know what it means. It simply means being one of the best
in world. The BA is that overall in restaurants...Hands Down!
Ciccio
Julian Macassey
>
> But he didn't say "best", he said "good" compared to many other cities
> in the world. Or are you saying LA tops the Bay Area in quality AND
> diversity?
Yes, Veronica, I am. I have lived and eaten in both
places.
Ciccio
> On 12 May 2007 15:17:26 -0700, Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > But he didn't say "best", he said "good" compared to many other cities
> > in the world. Or are you saying LA tops the Bay Area in quality AND
> > diversity?
>
> Yes, Veronica, I am. I have lived and eaten in both
> places.
I agree as to Jewish delis. For fine dining/gourmet, however, it's
behind the BA.
Ciccio
Al Eisner
Jewish delis don't provide fine dining? News to me. LA also excels in
at least some other types of food which you might not regard as fine
dining: foe example, Thai and Mexican, and probably Japanese. As to
the more general question, I haven't tried enough variety there to know.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Michael Wise
Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> On 12 May 2007 12:31:22 -0700, Ciccio <franc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On May 12, 9:57 am, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:22:45 GMT, Enzo Lombard-Quintero
> >>
> >> <e...@dqdi.com> wrote:
> >> > I don't know the lingo, but I agree the food overall in SF surpasses the
> >> > food everywhere else I've been in the world.
> >>
> >> I would say that Frisco considers itself a Mecca of food,
> >> but I have eaten better food in places all over the world.
> >
> > SF shines in its diversity. It's much harder to find a good burrito in
> > Paris, good Chinese food in San Salvador, good pupusas in Shanghai,
> > etc.
>
> Of course it would. The people of Frisco positively bask
> in their diversity. They value diversity over quality and
> authenticity in fact.
>
> Best Chinese food? San Gabriel Valley (Monterey Park).
I think SF wins that race hands down.
> Best Burrito? East LA
East LA perhaps #2 behind pretty much most places in SD.
> Best pupusas? Westlake LA
Given that SF's Latino population is overwhelmingly Central American
with most of them being Salvadoran, I find it hard to believe LA has
better pupusas than SF. Maybe the same...but better?
--Mike
Ciccio
> Jewish delis don't provide fine dining? News to me.
Well, if you know of a Jewish deli that is of the genre of The French
Laundry, The Dining Room at the Ritz, Gary Danko, and other "fine
dining" establishments, then please let me know.
> LA also excels in at least some other types of food which you might not regard > as fine dining:
I wasn't referring to what I regard as "fine dining," rather the term
of art used in the food service industry. All the Jewish delis at
where I've dined are "sit- down" or "casual dining" establishments.
> foe example, Thai and Mexican, and probably Japanese.
I've found the Korean food to be better, but not the Thai. I've found
nothing special about the Mexican food in LA. The few Japanese places
at which I've dined in LA were nothing remarkable. I don't like
sushi, so maybe that is to what you are referring. A few friends who
like sushi swear that there are places in LA that kick ass over
anything in the BA.
> As to the more general question, I haven't tried enough variety there to know.
Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining
establishments. The closing of L'orangerie in December really widened
the gap.
Ciccio
Frank Rizzo
Having lived in the BA and the Southland for significant parts of my
life, I opine that every cuisine is better in the Bay Area EXCEPT
Mexican. Mexican food in the Southland is as good as it gets. That
said, your Monterey Park claim for the best Chinese food is beyond
laughable. If you want to have any credibility you will have to do
much better than that.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
Good point. The Jewish Delis are better in L.A. too.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
> Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining
> establishments. The closing of L'orangerie in December really widened
> the gap.
>
> Ciccio
If you don't believe that, check the dining publications that are NOT
published in San Francisco and therefore have no axe to grind.
Rizzo
Julian Macassey
I always found L'orangerie pretentious beyond belief.
Right up their own overpriced olive oil.
If over-priced and pretentious restaurants are what you
want to measure cuisine by, then no question, the Gay Bay leads,
with maybe New York right behind.
Julian Macassey
>
> Having lived in the BA and the Southland for significant parts of my
> life, I opine that every cuisine is better in the Bay Area EXCEPT
> Mexican. Mexican food in the Southland is as good as it gets. That
> said, your Monterey Park claim for the best Chinese food is beyond
> laughable. If you want to have any credibility you will have to do
> much better than that.
You may laugh, but this is not just my opinion.
I'm not looking for credibility, just a decent meal
without shuck and jive.
Frank Rizzo
Just FYI, there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" in the Bay Area
as well. Check Shanghai East in San Mateo, Marios on Columbus and
Union, House of Nanking on Kearney, Caesars in Northpoint, etc.
Rizzo
Ciccio
> If you don't believe that, check the dining publications that are NOT
> published in San Francisco and therefore have no axe to grind.
Indeed, such as Michelin. It rated 23 BA restaurants with 1 star, 4
restaurants with 2 stars, and 1 restaurant with 3 stars. I read that
Michelin will be publishing a guide for LALALand later this year.
Anybody out there want to put their money where their mouth is and bet
me that LA will do better? Julian?
How about an O/U line on total number of 3 stars? 2 stars? 1 star?
Total number of stars? Let's see, there's that over-the-top sushi
place in Bev Hills, Spago, Patina, and....?
Ciccio
Arne Adolfsen
> Just FYI, there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" in the Bay Area
> as well. Check Shanghai East in San Mateo, Marios on Columbus and
> Union, House of Nanking on Kearney, Caesars in Northpoint, etc.
I'm so happy to hear that. That you think Frisco Chinese food is the
bestest in the universe is kind of sad, but what can you do? Thirty
years ago a "Mexican" restaurant on the upper West side of Manhattan
claimed it served the best Mexican food anywhere -- with pitas instead
of tortillas and "saffron" rice -- so I'm dubious. You pooh-pooh
Monterey Park, but you've obviously never eaten there. Of course,
there's San Gabriel itself where you haven't eaten either.
Please inform us about the bestest Bisi Bele Bhath anywhere.
Thanks so much.
Eddie Grove
I don't know about best, but there is decent Bisi Bele at Dasaprakash in Santa
Clara on Homestead. I haven't had it anywhere else to compare it to.
Eddie
Arne Adolfsen
> Arne Adolfsen <adol...@earthlink.net> writes:
> > Please inform us about the bestest Bisi Bele Bhath anywhere.
> I don't know about best, but there is decent Bisi Bele at Dasaprakash in Santa
> Clara on Homestead. I haven't had it anywhere else to compare it to.
If this is the same as Madhu's Dasaprakash -- it's opened and closed
several times in LA since the 1970s -- then order the puliyodarai
(tamarind rice). It will knock your socks off.
Love,
Arne
adol...@earthlink.net
Steve Pope
>Having lived in the BA and the Southland for significant parts of my
>life, I opine that every cuisine is better in the Bay Area EXCEPT
>Mexican. Mexican food in the Southland is as good as it gets. That
>said, your Monterey Park claim for the best Chinese food is beyond
>laughable.
"Best Chinese" doesn't hold up, but "Best Dim Sum in California"
probably goes to Monterey Park.
Steve
Al Eisner
> On May 12, 6:31 pm, Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > Jewish delis don't provide fine dining? News to me.
>
> Well, if you know of a Jewish deli that is of the genre of The French
> Laundry, The Dining Room at the Ritz, Gary Danko, and other "fine
> dining" establishments, then please let me know.
Ah, I see. I had been interpreting "fine dining" as an intelligible
English phrase which one might use in conversation, Usenet posts, etc.
More or less like "good eats". Sorry, my mistake.
The problem with your restricted definition is that if such places as you
list are the basis for your comparison of LA vs. SF, then it's not very
meaningful from my point of view, since I rarely go to such restaurants.
> > foe example, Thai and Mexican, and probably Japanese.
>
> I've found the Korean food to be better, but not the Thai. I've found
> nothing special about the Mexican food in LA. The few Japanese places
> at which I've dined in LA were nothing remarkable. I don't like
> sushi, so maybe that is to what you are referring. A few friends who
> like sushi swear that there are places in LA that kick ass over
> anything in the BA.
No, I meant it more generally, based on the places I've tried -- but
I did say "probably". The Thai and Mexican cases I'm sure of; I didn't
mention Korean because I have inadequate experience of it in the
southland.
Julian Macassey
>
> Just FYI, there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" in the Bay Area
> as well. Check Shanghai East in San Mateo, Marios on Columbus and
> Union, House of Nanking on Kearney, Caesars in Northpoint, etc.
There are, and you forgot Tu Lan on 6th Street, but there
are more and better in LA.
But, when it comes to expensive eats, I can do wthout the
pretension. I go to eat not have a waiter look down at me and
treat me with disdain for not drinking bottled mineral water.
Ciccio
> On Sat, 12 May 2007, Ciccio wrote:
> The problem with your restricted definition
Again, it's not my definition. It is a long established term of art
within the food service industry.
> is that if such places as youv list are the basis for your comparison of LA vs. SF, > then it's not very meaningful from my point of view, since I rarely go to such > restaurants.
Well, from the point of view of gourmands such restaurants are quite
meaningful. Thus, that's how cities are judged for their restaurants.
Michelin, Relais & Chateaux, or Mobil aren't rating the best tacos
from trucks.
Myself, I enjoy experiencing the entire spectrum from a good taco
truck to the fine dining establishments. It is that ENTIRE spectrum
to which I refer when I say the BA surpasses LA in restaurants.
Quite simply, LA and the BA hover in the same zone at the simpler part
of that spectrum. Everybody can nit pick this burrito or that dim sum.
At the part of the spectrum where culinary artistry is employed,
however, the BA is in a whole nother universe compared to LA.
Ciccio
Frank Rizzo
That's not what I said Arne. I didn't say it is best in the
universe. And I have eaten in Monterey Park, San Gabriel, Monrovia,
West Covina. I lived in L.A and in S.F. I think the food is better
in S.F (except the Mexican and the Jewish Deli)...And the quote you
pasted above from me was about "CHEAP" eats that are good, which was a
response to a question about eating cheap and not paying an arm and a
leg for it.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
I don't care for Indian/Afghan cuisine so I don't comment on it.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
I don't go for the pretentious waiter either and I WILL call him out
for it and remind him he works for me, how much money I am spending, I
control the tip, etc if they give an attitude, as well as inform the
GM why we won't be dining there anymore. I don't run across that
often in SF, but I have. Usually when you pay a truckload for dinner
the staff is very accomodating in my experience. It's the in between
wannabe places that usually give you the 'tude.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
outside the Bay Area we are disappointed in the food EXCEPT in LA and
NY. That was before this thread. I think those are the best three
cities for food regardless of order, and everyone else is way way
back. Although for a few days Honolulu is pretty good.
Rizzo
Todd Michel McComb
Frank Rizzo <champ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It's the in between wannabe places that usually give you the 'tude.
Yes, that's right. I rarely have an issue, but it's not the best
restaurants where it's even a thought.
I definitely wonder about the people who claim they get a bunch of
attitude from waiters. If there's even a possibility, which there
almost never is, I head that right off straight-away.
Arne Adolfsen
> That's not what I said Arne. I didn't say it is best in the
> universe. And I have eaten in Monterey Park, San Gabriel, Monrovia,
> West Covina.
>>>Clap, clap, clap<<<
> I lived in L.A and in S.F.
>>>Clap, clap, clap<<<
> I think the food is better
> in S.F (except the Mexican and the Jewish Deli)...And the quote you
> pasted above from me was about "CHEAP" eats that are good, which was a
> response to a question about eating cheap and not paying an arm and a
> leg for it.
Then please argue with the moron who crossposted your ba.food post to
la.eats.
Cheap food is just that -- cheap.
Frank Rizzo
No, I have no intention of arguing with someone else, I will point out
that you are the little DIVA that tried to rewrite what I said and I
guaranfuckingtee you wouldn't have that little attitude in my physical
presence unless it is broken bones and hospitalization that you are
looking for.
Rizzo
Bob Barnett
and demands an apology or he'll call the authorities.
Frank Rizzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
He probably will. I chose my words carefully for just that reason.
For "people" like THAT.
Rizzo
Veronique
> In article <1179118318.255743.235...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >It's the in between wannabe places that usually give you the 'tude.
>
> Yes, that's right. I rarely have an issue, but it's not the best
> restaurants where it's even a thought.
>
> I definitely wonder about the people who claim they get a bunch of
> attitude from waiters. If there's even a possibility, which there
> almost never is, I head that right off straight-away.
Anyone can have one bad experience at a place, and I'm sure there are
places that bad waitstaff experience is the norm (the old India Joze
in Santa Cruz comes to mind), but someone who consistently gets
attitude everywhere makes me wonder about the diner, not the staff.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Frank Rizzo
Good point. They probably just give off a bad vibe themselves or are
just plain rude.
Rizzo
Arne Adolfsen
A physical threat! That gives you real street cred -- or whatever the
online version of street cred might be. How did I rewrite what you
wrote, doll? Your prose is so hideous by itself that I couldn't
possibly try to exaggerate it for fun. You don't dispute that some
asshole crossposted a ba.eats thread of yours to la.food, do you? You'd
be an Alberto Gonzales-magnitude asshole if you were to try that. But
you don't want to engage that person in email. That makes sense. And
you want to break my bones.
Fine, you're a chickenshit asshole. So be it.
Arne Adolfsen
> This is where Annie the diseased angry poofter claims you threatened him
> and demands an apology or he'll call the authorities.
Ummm, Rizzo is the party who threatened _me_ without provocation with
broken bones because he didn't like being quoted back to himself. Am I
diseased? No. Well, I've got a cold. Does that count? Am I angry?
What sentient being isn't? Am I a poofter? I don't know what that
means. Am I a fag? Yes.
Frank Rizzo
Certainly someone with your obvious intelligence can understand and
dilineate the difference between a threat and pointing out that you
wouldn't dare act like this in person. Perhaps not.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
Read what I wrote you mental Giant. It wasn't a threat. I said if
you were to talk to me like that in person ......... I never said,
"I'm gonna git you sucka" or anything like that. Are you too thick
headed to understand the difference (ANSWER: YES).... It seems you
bring this out in most everyone.
Rizzo
Aahz Maruch
Frank Rizzo <champ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 14, 11:25 am, Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone can have one bad experience at a place, and I'm sure there are
>> places that bad waitstaff experience is the norm (the old India Joze
>> in Santa Cruz comes to mind), but someone who consistently gets
>> attitude everywhere makes me wonder about the diner, not the staff.
>
>just plain rude.
Cultural differences also come into play. For example, after dinner at
Casablanca where we got good service, we waited and waited and waited for
our bill. Eventually I realized that this was one of those places that
wait for you to ask for the bill.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"Beware of companies that claim to be like a family. They might not be
lying." --Jill Lundquist
Arne Adolfsen
Arne:
> > A physical threat! That gives you real street cred -- or whatever the
> > online version of street cred might be. How did I rewrite what you
> > wrote, doll? Your prose is so hideous by itself that I couldn't
> > possibly try to exaggerate it for fun. You don't dispute that some
> > asshole crossposted a ba.eats thread of yours to la.food, do you? You'd
> > be an Alberto Gonzales-magnitude asshole if you were to try that. But
> > you don't want to engage that person in email. That makes sense. And
> > you want to break my bones.
> >
> > Fine, you're a chickenshit asshole. So be it.
> Certainly someone with your obvious intelligence can understand and
> dilineate the difference between a threat and pointing out that you
> wouldn't dare act like this in person. Perhaps not.
You'd be surprised. I don't stand down to physical threats, ever, (so
far, anyway, and I've only lived in LA for 50 years), and you sound like
a bigger pussy than me. (And isn't it "deliniate" instead of
"diliniate"?) You threaten to break people's (_my_) bones and then
claim it was all a misunderstanding and you were just educating me about
something or other.
I love your escape clause.
ICl...@jps.net
Ciccio wrote:
> I've found the Korean food to be better [in Los Angeles]
My favorite Korean restaurant is Shilla at 166th Place and Western in
Torrance or Gardena.
> Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining
> establishments.
Impossible! It never approached us. But it has, in recent years,
along with Las Vegas, gotten much better.
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Frank Rizzo wrote:
> there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" . . . House of
> Nanking on Kearney
Chef Jia's, next door, is MUCH better and less costly! I would never
send anyone to House of Nanking.
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Julian Macassey
> [Lost in cyberspace since about twenty-four hours ago.]
>
> Ciccio wrote:
>> I've found the Korean food to be better [in Los Angeles]
>
> My favorite Korean restaurant is Shilla at 166th Place and Western in
> Torrance or Gardena.
>
>> Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining
>> establishments.
>
> Impossible! It never approached us. But it has, in recent years,
> along with Las Vegas, gotten much better.
Las Vegas has always been overpriced and execrable. It
has become more pretentious, but not better.
The same tired, reheated food is served, but now they
have discovered the "drizzle". Oddly coloured liquids are dripped
around your plate making it look like someone had an accident.
Arne Adolfsen
> You don't dispute that some
> asshole crossposted a ba.eats thread of yours to la.food, do you?
I was distracted by my premonition of the death of Jerry Falwell.
Weep. Sob. Moan. Copious tears.
I'm glad the fat racist homophobe fucker is dead. Now Macine (or
whatever her name is) will have to cope with his legacy of hatred
("civil wrongs" and "buy Kruggerands, 'cuz apartheid is the bestest
thing since Kraft's sliced American cheese" and homos are to blame for
9/11.
Of course I meant ba.food and la.eats.
Icono Clast
> I've found the Korean food to be better [in Los Angeles]
My favorite Korean restaurant is Shilla at 166th Place and Western in
Torrance or Gardena.
> Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining establishments.
Impossible! It never approached us. But it has, in recent years,
along with Las Vegas, gotten much better.
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Icono Clast
Ciccio wrote:
Icono Clast
> there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" . . . House of
> Nanking on Kearney
Chef Jia's, next door, is MUCH better and less costly! I would never
send anyone to House of Nanking.
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Icono Clast
Ciccio wrote:
> I've found the Korean food to be better [in Los Angeles]
My favorite Korean restaurant is Shilla at 166th Place and Western in
Torrance or Gardena.
> Well, LA has long fallen behind the BA as to fine dining
> establishments.
Impossible! It never approached us. But it has, in recent years,
along with Las Vegas, gotten much better.
--
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Icono Clast
Frank Rizzo wrote:
> there are plenty of outstanding "Cheap Eats" . . . House of
> Nanking on Kearney
Chef Jia's, next door, is MUCH better and less costly! I would never
send anyone to House of Nanking.
--
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Frank Rizzo
I'll have to try it. I don't think I've tried that one.. Thanks for
the tip.
Also, many of the old North Beach joints are very good cheap eats
(Capps etc)
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
Well in fairness, LA is one of the few places I travel where I can get
good food. Vegas is getting there, but it is not in LAs class yet.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
I think you are the hater. The man's body is not even cold yet and
you're name calling etc...Real nice.
Frank Rizzo
Wasn't an escape. I'm saying if you and me were in person at the same
place having this discussion you wouldn't behave like that for fear of
a beating. And I know it to be true.
Rizzo
Bob Barnett
some of his crap to my face.
He's a gutless creep
Al Eisner
> Chef Jia's, next door, is MUCH better and less costly! I would never
> send anyone to House of Nanking.
From the number of your posts, it must be at least three times better!
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Frank Rizzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Again, read what I wrote. I guarantee you wouldn't act like that in
person. I didn't say I am going to do anything because it hasn't, and
won't take place because you are too much of a little bitch to do it
in person and you reaffirm this fact every time you look into your
mirror, no matter what you write here. Nothing you write in this
forum will ever alter that fact. Everyone else knows it too. Live
with that fact Arne.
Rizzo
jeremy
Vegas is getting there, but it is not in LAs class yet.
>
> Rizzo
>
Then you need to learn where to eat in Vegas :-)
If you want a decent place that beats most of LA and without the plastic faces
and snotty MdMs, try Andre's on S.6th, but take a barrow load of money, for
the wine and cognac lists are real delight after Cal.
JJ
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Of course it would. The people of Frisco positively bask
> in their diversity. They value diversity over quality and
> authenticity in fact.
>
> Best Chinese food? San Gabriel Valley (Monterey Park).
> Best Burrito? East LA
> Best pupusas? Westlake LA
>
The food really is better on LA.
Frank Rizzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thank you Bob for confirming what I suspected. Have a great evening.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
Is DPD still good? It's about a block and a half away. Haven't been
there in years.
Rizzo
Arne Adolfsen
You're such a joker. I had a dozen years plus of dance training and I'm
quite limber and agile. I'd be upside your head in a second, moron.
Arne Adolfsen
> Again, read what I wrote. I guarantee you wouldn't act like that in
> person. I didn't say I am going to do anything because it hasn't, and
> won't take place because you are too much of a little bitch to do it
> in person and you reaffirm this fact every time you look into your
> mirror, no matter what you write here. Nothing you write in this
> forum will ever alter that fact. Everyone else knows it too. Live
> with that fact Arne.
I'll let this email speak for itself.
Arne Adolfsen
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> Vegas is getting there, but it is not in LAs class yet.
> Then you need to learn where to eat in Vegas :-)
> If you want a decent place that beats most of LA and without the plastic faces
> and snotty MdMs, try Andre's on S.6th, but take a barrow load of money, for
> the wine and cognac lists are real delight after Cal.
Cal. Cal? What's up with that? No native or near-native Californian
refers to the state as "Cal". I confess that I was only in Las Vegas
once, in 1967, when I was 11, but it struck me as hideous. No public
restrooms, no public clocks, rude station staff. Blech.
NV, go Cheney yourself. (And no, I don't condone lezzing off in the Old
West like Lynne does. Keep it indoors and lie about it. Roger another
non-native NV citizen.)
Ciccio
news:6-mdndeDeuuGKdbb...@rcn.net...
> The food really is better on LA.
It *really* isn't.
Ciccio
Frank Rizzo
>
> You're such a joker. I had a dozen years plus of dance training and I'm
> quite limber and agile. I'd be upside your head in a second, moron.
>
> Arne
> adolf...@earthlink.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's actually pretty funny if you intended it to be. If not, it
speaks for itself.
Rizzo
jeremy
.
>
> Cal. Cal? What's up with that? No native or near-native Californian
> refers to the state as "Cal". I confess that I was only in Las Vegas
> once, in 1967, when I was 11, but it struck me as hideous. No public
> restrooms, no public clocks, rude station staff. Blech.
>
> NV, go Cheney yourself. (And no, I don't condone lezzing off in the Old
> West like Lynne does. Keep it indoors and lie about it. Roger another
> non-native NV citizen.)
>
> Arne
> adol...@earthlink.net
Sorry you cannot identify with how non Cal residents refer to your state.
As for Vegas, you have so little experience that you do not have an opinion
worth the time you take to type it.
JJ
Frank Rizzo
> Arne Adolfsen wrote:
>
> .
>
>
>
> > Cal. Cal? What's up with that? No native or near-native Californian
> > refers to the state as "Cal". I confess that I was only in Las Vegas
> > once, in 1967, when I was 11, but it struck me as hideous. No public
> > restrooms, no public clocks, rude station staff. Blech.
>
> > NV, go Cheney yourself. (And no, I don't condone lezzing off in the Old
> > West like Lynne does. Keep it indoors and lie about it. Roger another
> > non-native NV citizen.)
>
> > Arne
>
> Sorry you cannot identify with how non Cal residents refer to your state.
>
> As for Vegas, you have so little experience that you do not have an opinion
> worth the time you take to type it.
> JJ
Jeremy,
As one native Californian, I do not find offense to the Cal
reference. Don't sweat Arne, apparantly he has a problem with the
whole world except whoever is jackhammering his backside at any
particular moment. I like Vegas for what it is, FUN. And you can get
a good meal, etc. while you are there.
Rizzo
Steve Pope
>As one native Californian, I do not find offense to the Cal
>reference.
As another native Californian, nor do I, but I cringe at the
abbreviation "Cali". The only thing "Cali" has in common with
"California" is that both are awash in cocaine.
Steve
Golden California Girls
Frank Rizzo
wrote:
>
> Yes, pretty queer indeed.
That's kind of funny. It's one thing to have an argument with 10% of
the people in a forum like this one at one time or another. That's
abrasive, or oversensitive. It's ......ME basically....But to piss
off everyone at one time or another is downright psychotic and
worthless. I'm trying to figure out what that guy contributes to the
world, if anything.
Rizzo
Icono Clast
> Las Vegas has always been overpriced and execrable. It has become
> more pretentious, but not better.
We disagree. I don't go to the pretentious joints. The food at the
types of places I do go has improved over the decades.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
> Well in fairness, LA is one of the few places I travel where I can
> get good food. Vegas is getting there, but it is not in LAs
> class yet.
--
___________________________________________________________________
A San Francisco glutton who says: "You serve it, I'll eat it!"
Arne Adolfsen
> That's kind of funny. It's one thing to have an argument with 10% of
> the people in a forum like this one at one time or another. That's
> abrasive, or oversensitive. It's ......ME basically....But to piss
> off everyone at one time or another is downright psychotic and
> worthless. I'm trying to figure out what that guy contributes to the
> world, if anything.
I'm wondering what you think of La Taquiza #2 on Figueroa at 36th (maybe
37th). Good, bad, indifferent? How about Full House in Chinatown?
Arne
Arne Adolfsen
Dear Prancing Palomino Princess,
Yes, I'm gay. I've been clear about that here on la.eats from the
beginning. Get used to it. Have I ever worn a tutu? No.
Arne
Al Eisner
[re. Arne Adolfsen]
>
> That's kind of funny. It's one thing to have an argument with 10% of
> the people in a forum like this one at one time or another. That's
> abrasive, or oversensitive. It's ......ME basically....But to piss
> off everyone at one time or another is downright psychotic and
> worthless. I'm trying to figure out what that guy contributes to the
> world, if anything.
First, if you don't want to see his posts in ba.food, you could
considerably reduce (although admittedly not eliminate) the chance
by not cross-posting to la.eats, which is where he mainly hangs out.
Or if you do want to carry on this sort of "debate" with him, why
not just post to la.eats and leave ba.food out of it? [Note I've
removed the cross-post for this reply.]
Second, if you regard his posts as not contributing (and I'm not
going to argue with that), in what sense does your post contribute?
More ba food/restaurant posts, please!
M.Safier
know-all-there-is-to-know-about-food-and-everything-else and
oh-so-judgmental Arnie....ignore it--- Now Meg knew a lot and was modest
about it...but A. drove her off-she was most likely wise to leave...hmmmm,
maybe I should sub to ba.food? Or is he driving those folks off too?
Marilyn
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Frank Rizzo
HI Al,
You make some good points. I didn't intentionally cross post. I just
hit the reply from someone else's post when they were talking about SF
food being over rated. And while I freely admit that my comments
toward Arne have not contributed to food news (for which I apologize)
I cannot and will not let his shots at me stand. I am not tech savvy
enough to block his posts. But I would like to believe that I have
had some contributory posts in ba.food at one time or another..... I
just don't like blowhard bullies like Arne and don't like to take it,
certainly not verbally or the way he chooses to take it either.
See ya Al,
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
I think its important to note again two things. I didn't do the
original cross post. I just hit the reply button and didn't realize I
had cross posted. I believe Julian cross posted and I replied. Also,
I'm wondering what Arne's contribution is to the world, not just
ba.food. I don't think there is one single contribution to the world
that he can point to unless you count ingesting large quantities of
semen to be a contribution.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
I think its important to note again two things. I didn't do the
original cross post I believe that was Julian. I just hit the reply
button. Also, I'm wondering what Arne's contribution is to the world,
Al Eisner
> I think its important to note again two things. I didn't do the
> original cross post. I just hit the reply button and didn't realize I
> had cross posted. I believe Julian cross posted and I replied.
Yes, I fully understand that -- perhaps this was one of the very few
cases where the cross-post was justified, but there's always a risk
in getting la.eats involved, as you've seen.
> Also, I'm wondering what Arne's contribution is to the world, not just
> ba.food. I don't think there is one single contribution to the world
> that he can point to unless you count ingesting large quantities of
> semen to be a contribution.
Frankly, I have no more interest in seeing that sort of comment here
than I do in seeing most of what AA posts. Feel free to use la.eats
to carry on that sort of exchange!
Tim May
<msa...@charter.net> wrote:
> This is a typical snobbish putdown by the
> know-all-there-is-to-know-about-food-and-everything-else and
> oh-so-judgmental Arnie....ignore it--- Now Meg knew a lot and was modest
> about it...but A. drove her off-she was most likely wise to leave...hmmmm,
> maybe I should sub to ba.food? Or is he driving those folks off too?
> Marilyn
Knowing Meg--online only--I think it's way too big a leap to say that
Meg was "driven off" of any particular newsgroup. She no longer posts
to ba.food, even though she had been doing so for at least several
months (maybe even a year, I don't know the stats) after moving from
the Bay Area to the LA area.
She didn't seem to be the type to be "driven off" by anybody.
She may be wrapped-up in other things, or just moving on from the old
habit of posting to food groups, whatever.
Arnie posts to ba.food, too, and not just as cross-posts from la.eats.
I don't see anyone talking about "leaving."
However, la.eats is indeed a very dead group. But almost certainly not
because of Arnie. There just aren't many contributors--haven't been for
many years--and the group seems to have fallen below critical mass.
Lots of possible reasons. For one thing, the generation younger than
about 35 seems to have little idea that Usenet even exists....if they
cite a newsgroup, they usually call it a "Google Group" (I've even had
numbskulls e-mail to me saying they have filed a complaint with Google
over something I wrote on "Google Groups"!).
For another thing, the rise of Web-based review sites, such as Yelp.com
and Chow.com. I usually go to them when thinking about a restaurant to
try in some particular town. Much better than asking a question in
ba.food and getting a few semi-on-topic replies...or asking in la.eats
and getting zero replies (because of the critical mass issue). (Plus
the obligatory comment from Arnie along the lines of "Sweet cheeks,
when did Santa Monica become part of L.A.? This is "la.eats," not
"santa-monica.eats! Go create your own group on one of the internets."
Ba.food seems to limp along because some people seem to know each
other, some people like to have a place to express their opinions about
restaurant trends, paper bags vs. plastic, and so on.
This knowledge of other posters is almost completely absent on Yelp and
Chow, by the way, inasmuch as most of the reviewers have "handles"
along the lines of "tacogirl139" and "PacManDudarino." Hard to
establish _any_ sense of community. For example, I know you live in
southern Oregon and once lived in LA....I don't know a thing about
"tacogirl139," nor do I want to. Still, looking at Yelp and typing in
the name of a town, like "Manhattan Beach" (ObArnie: "Sweet
cheeks...."), and the name of a restaurant, I can quickly scan the 25
or 31 comments, etc., and get some idea of what to expect.
The other problem is that some areas--the major foodie cities--are
well-covered on Yelp and Chow, but small towns are bereft of entries.
It's be interesting for you to tell us what you find when you enter
your own Oregon town into Yelp or Chow and see what people have
written.
Of course, Usenet is even worse for small towns, with nary a posting
even in the Usenet archives (excuse me, the "Google Groups search
engine") for tens of thousands of small towns and the restaurants
therein.
--Tim May
Tony Lima
<tim...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>She may be wrapped-up in other things, or just moving on from the old
>habit of posting to food groups, whatever.
Assistant professor is a lot of work, especially if you hope
to get tenure. - Tony
Golden California Girls
Thought I gave you a complement. Obviously you have some major issues going on.
Frank Rizzo
> In article <33q3i.172$d%2....@newsfe06.lga>, M.Safier
>
Many of my online buddies believe Usenet is dead. I fear that it is
well on its way.
Rizzo
Frank Rizzo
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 18:36:34 -0700, Tim May
>
> >She may be wrapped-up in other things, or just moving on from the old
> >habit of posting to food groups, whatever.
>
> Assistant professor is a lot of work, especially if you hope
> to get tenure. - Tony
Very true, and I know this is off topic, but isn't it funny that
assistant professors and professors alike take 7 years to achieve
tenure, but the 1st grade through 8th grade teacher who is much less
qualified gets it after 2 years.
Rizzo