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Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 14, 2004, 1:56:58 PM6/14/04
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I'm taking someone out to dinner tomorrow night in downtown MV (return
for a favor), but it's not clear which of the various recommended places
are in the $15/entree range. We're meeting at 5pm, so Zucca's
early-bird special might work if they haven't raised prices. (I'm
tempted to suggest driving over to Mazeh, but zie doesn't want Indian
and that seems a bit close.)
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Dave Eisen

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Jun 14, 2004, 7:39:41 PM6/14/04
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In article <cakota$ijv$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>I'm taking someone out to dinner tomorrow night in downtown MV (return
>for a favor), but it's not clear which of the various recommended places
>are in the $15/entree range. We're meeting at 5pm, so Zucca's
>early-bird special might work if they haven't raised prices. (I'm
>tempted to suggest driving over to Mazeh, but zie doesn't want Indian
>and that seems a bit close.)

If it's not for anything fancy, Cafe Yulong has good Chinese
food of I guess a Hunan/Szechuan style.

Mazeh isn't Indian at all, but I suppose you know that already.


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Eric Griswold

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Jun 14, 2004, 7:45:38 PM6/14/04
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dke...@dkeisen.best.vwh.net (Dave Eisen) writes:

> Mazeh isn't Indian at all, but I suppose you know that already.

Just as an aside, Nick has sold Mazeh. I'm trying not to be sad
since I don't know what the new owners are up to.

Eric

Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 14, 2004, 7:50:17 PM6/14/04
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In article <1Hqzc.113565$vn.2...@sea-read.news.verio.net>,

Dave Eisen <dke...@dkeisen.best.vwh.net> wrote:
>In article <cakota$ijv$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
>Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>(I'm tempted to suggest driving over to Mazeh, but zie doesn't want
>>Indian and that seems a bit close.)
>
>Mazeh isn't Indian at all, but I suppose you know that already.

Looking at the menu, it appears that they say "Himalayan spices" on
several dishes, plus "curry" on others. Whether that's "Indian" food
isn't the issue so much as whether someone who wants to avoid Indian
food will want to avoid those dishes, too. If yes, I don't think I
should take zir there.

Thanks for the Cafe Yulong tip.

Jim Panetta

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Jun 14, 2004, 8:16:41 PM6/14/04
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Ah, Man! I really liked Mazeh.

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Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 14, 2004, 8:57:30 PM6/14/04
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In article <cakota$ijv$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>I'm taking someone out to dinner tomorrow night in downtown MV
>(return for a favor), but it's not clear which of the various
>recommended places are in the $15/entree range. We're meeting at
>5pm, so Zucca's early-bird special might work if they haven't
>raised prices.

I believe Zucca's early-bird special is still in force. I believe
Cascal's entrees average $17 <URL:http://www.cascalrestaurant.com/>;
they are currently the best restaurant in Mountain View, IMO. Amarin
Thai is not bad and would meat your budget easily. Yakko is still
there; I was there recently. Pasta? isn't bad for the price, which
is cheaper than you ask. And there's Spice Islands, Malaysian,
ditto, and it might be something new.

Mazeh is/was a very fusion-y Persian-centric place. The Indian
stuff was one extreme of their menu. Italian was the other.

Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 14, 2004, 8:50:56 PM6/14/04
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In article <abhdtds...@algae.pdi.com>,

Eric Griswold <er...@pdi.com> wrote:
>Just as an aside, Nick has sold Mazeh.

Wow, that was quick. Oh well, I really liked it for a while, but
I did think he was starting to cut corners. I'm willing to give
the new owners a chance... even if they could capture the original
delicious pizza, it'd be worth it.

Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:03:30 AM6/15/04
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In article <calhhq$gur$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,

Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>
>I believe Zucca's early-bird special is still in force. I believe
>Cascal's entrees average $17 <URL:http://www.cascalrestaurant.com/>;
>they are currently the best restaurant in Mountain View, IMO. Amarin
>Thai is not bad and would meat your budget easily.

Heh.

>Yakko is still there; I was there recently.

Oh, good. Zie suggested Kamei, which I haven't been too impressed with
and neither have other ba.foodies -- but at least zie was clear that
zie'd prefer to avoid Sono. ;-)

Is Ryowa still there, too? Definitely cheaper than my target price
range, but it's a place I've been wanting to go for a while.

>Pasta? isn't bad for the price, which is cheaper than you ask.

How do I search for that in Google? ;-)

>And there's Spice Islands, Malaysian, ditto, and it might be something
>new.

On my list.

>Mazeh is/was a very fusion-y Persian-centric place. The Indian stuff
>was one extreme of their menu. Italian was the other.

Yeah, I can see that, I just think that if the only thing someone wants
to avoid is Indian, best to stay away from a place where India and
environs forms a signficant part of the menu.

Ian MacLure

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:12:57 AM6/15/04
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aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote in
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[snip]

> Is Ryowa still there, too? Definitely cheaper than my target price
> range, but it's a place I've been wanting to go for a while.

As of Saturday, Ryowa is alive and kicking.

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Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:22:35 AM6/15/04
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In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Is Ryowa still there, too? Definitely cheaper than my target price

Yes. I am not a big ramen fan, but it's generally considered some
of the best ramen in the area. The wife & kids like it.

>>Pasta? isn't bad for the price, which is cheaper than you ask.
>How do I search for that in Google? ;-)

Umm, consulting bookmarks, it's <URL:http://www.pastaq.com/>.

Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 15, 2004, 1:07:17 AM6/15/04
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In article <caltib$h4s$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,

Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
>Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>Todd:

>>>
>>>Pasta? isn't bad for the price, which is cheaper than you ask.
>>
>>How do I search for that in Google? ;-)
>
>Umm, consulting bookmarks, it's <URL:http://www.pastaq.com/>.

Thanks!

Dave Eisen

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Jun 15, 2004, 3:00:53 AM6/15/04
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In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>Is Ryowa still there, too? Definitely cheaper than my target price
>range, but it's a place I've been wanting to go for a while.

It is still there. Good ramen, if you like that. I do maybe once
every six months or so I guess.

>>And there's Spice Islands, Malaysian, ditto, and it might be something
>>new.
>
>On my list.

Recommended.

Steve Fenwick

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Jun 15, 2004, 3:30:10 AM6/15/04
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In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote:

> In article <calhhq$gur$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,
> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
> >
> >I believe Zucca's early-bird special is still in force. I believe
> >Cascal's entrees average $17 <URL:http://www.cascalrestaurant.com/>;
> >they are currently the best restaurant in Mountain View, IMO. Amarin
> >Thai is not bad and would meat your budget easily.
>
> Heh.

Meaning? I would also recommend Amarin Thai, if only for the coconut
milk/baby corn soup--get the vegetarian, no-tofu version; the chicken in
the regular version is a waste of space.


Cascal has tapas, and a number of them are below about $8 each. They
take reservations though OpenTable, which I find to be an advantage.


> >Pasta? isn't bad for the price, which is cheaper than you ask.
>
> How do I search for that in Google? ;-)

Service at Pasta? is freakishly mixed--it varies within a meal from very
good to very bad. Our usual question is "how will they muck it up
tonight?" But they are not bad enough to cause us not to return.

Not for tomorrow, but there's signs up at the old pharmacy at Dana and
Hope that it will be turning into a Filipino joint. And the construction
walls are down around that Indian buffet place whose name I can't
remember.


Steve

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Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 15, 2004, 10:57:15 AM6/15/04
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In article <nospam-C645DD....@news.apple.com>,

Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote:
>> In article <calhhq$gur$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,
>> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>I believe Zucca's early-bird special is still in force. I believe
>>>Cascal's entrees average $17 <URL:http://www.cascalrestaurant.com/>;
>>>they are currently the best restaurant in Mountain View, IMO. Amarin
>>>Thai is not bad and would meat your budget easily.
>>
>> Heh.
>
>Meaning?

"meat"

It's particularly funny because Todd almost never makes boo-boos like
that.

Karen O'Mara

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Jun 15, 2004, 11:34:31 AM6/15/04
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dke...@dkeisen.best.vwh.net (Dave Eisen) wrote in message news:<1Hqzc.113565$vn.2...@sea-read.news.verio.net>...

> If it's not for anything fancy, Cafe Yulong has good Chinese
> food of I guess a Hunan/Szechuan style.

My friend just loves Cafe Yulong and goes there often. She says the
restaurant has a nice feel to it, too.

Karen <never been there, yet>

Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 15, 2004, 11:53:24 AM6/15/04
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In article <can2ob$4d2$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

Mean Green Dancing Machine <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>It's particularly funny because Todd almost never makes boo-boos
>like that.

It's part of a slow descent into madness. Too bad I'm not joking.

Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:23:22 PM6/15/04
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Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:

"Insanity is inherited. You get it from your kids."

ian maclure

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I would second her recommendation.
I always come away satisfied.

Ditto Spice Islands.

Max Hauser

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Jun 15, 2004, 10:53:05 PM6/15/04
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Good suggestions here but I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108
Castro, MV. (Could it be the location near the tracks?) And I did miss
out on it for years myself, mea maxima culpa. But I've found in 12+ dinners
now some of the best value on Castro. (Out of several hundred meals on that
street since 1981.) Slightly pricier than Pasta! but we are talking about a
different kind of restaurant, unique, free-handed, non-chain.

Cafe Yulong also -- it may be possible to visit, maybe even repeatedly, and
still mistake it for the run-of-the-mill local Chinese restaurant. As with
many things, what sets it apart may take work, probing. (Another argument,
for anyone unaware, of the need for visit places repeatedly to get a sense
of them. Why on this newsgroup in early 1991 I disclaimed my comments about
Chez TJ for having then only dined there twice, hardly enough to get any
real measure of a restaurant that has any complexity. Also I never took to
the late fashion of labeling my amateur comments a "review.")

Too late maybe for Aahz now. But I did again want to recommend Vaso
wholeheartedly to anyone at all interested. Go repeatedly -- the staff
warms rapidly to regulars -- try the penne with the spicy sauce -- with
little pills of eggplant and dusting of shredded basil -- sometime as part
of a meal, or the Pollo Saltimbocca with its shallot, brown-butter, Madeira
sauce -- one person I know gets that every time. Tell the
proprietor-cousins Max recommended the place to you. Then tell your friends
in turn to say you recommended the place, after you become a convinced
regular too.

Enjoy -- Max


yuki

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Jun 16, 2004, 1:38:18 AM6/16/04
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"Ian MacLure" <i...@svpal.org> wrote in message
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> aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote in
> news:calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Is Ryowa still there, too? Definitely cheaper than my target price
> > range, but it's a place I've been wanting to go for a while.
>
> As of Saturday, Ryowa is alive and kicking.
>

There is another ramen place on Castro called Maruichi (368 Castro St
between Dana & California)
I checked out the place a few weeks ago with a coworker.
He had "kuro" & I had "kontotsu" ramen. We were not impressed, preferred
Ryowa.

I definitely liked "Haru" on Saratoga (near 280) in San Jose.

yuki


Steve Fenwick

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Jun 16, 2004, 2:23:33 AM6/16/04
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In article <can2ob$4d2$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote:

> In article <nospam-C645DD....@news.apple.com>,
> Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >In article <calsei$g6l$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> > aa...@pobox.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) wrote:
> >> In article <calhhq$gur$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,
> >> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I believe Zucca's early-bird special is still in force. I believe
> >>>Cascal's entrees average $17 <URL:http://www.cascalrestaurant.com/>;
> >>>they are currently the best restaurant in Mountain View, IMO. Amarin
> >>>Thai is not bad and would meat your budget easily.
> >>
> >> Heh.
> >
> >Meaning?
>
> "meat"
>
> It's particularly funny because Todd almost never makes boo-boos like
> that.

I thought it was some sort of bad pun, but then my descent into madness
is also well advanced.

guren

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Jun 16, 2004, 10:34:54 AM6/16/04
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"yuki" wrote:
> He had "kuro" & I had "kontotsu" ramen. We were not impressed, preferred
> Ryowa.

I'm pretty sure you meant to write "tonkotsu," which is usually a thick,
milky-
colored broth made from simmered pork bones.

ton (buta) = pork
kotsu (hone) = bones

glenn


Mean Green Dancing Machine

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Jun 16, 2004, 10:37:13 AM6/16/04
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Well, we ended up going to Kamei because zie wanted Japanse and didn't
want to try a new place. Thanks for all the suggestions; my primary and
I are more likely to wander down there for dinner because parking was
surprisingly easier than I expected.

One oddity. I got there earlier than my dining companion, so despite
the heat I wandered around trying to find every place on my list (which
I e-mailed to my cell phone, but without addresses). The only place I
couldn't find was Cascal, which doesn't have its address in the phone
book! (Cafe Yulong I spotted next to Books Inc, which was our meeting
place, and I've eaten at Yakko before; other places were all on Castro
itself.)

(Just looked at the Cascal web site, and it was a half-block farther
than I wandered. <shrug>)

Karen O'Mara

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Jun 16, 2004, 11:37:01 AM6/16/04
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"Max Hauser" <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote in message news:<10cvdgg...@corp.supernews.com>...
[snip]

> Too late maybe for Aahz now. But I did again want to recommend Vaso
> wholeheartedly to anyone at all interested. Go repeatedly -- the staff
> warms rapidly to regulars [snip]

I really like it, too, when the staff warms rapidly to regulars. There
are two places I return to just for this reason -- FdM and Arikato.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm walking onto a Cheers television set.

Will try Vaso sometime. I seem to avoid downtown, for some reason.

Karen

yuki

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Jun 17, 2004, 4:05:59 AM6/17/04
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"guren" <photo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "yuki" wrote:
> > He had "kuro" & I had "kontotsu" ramen. We were not impressed, preferred
> > Ryowa.
>
> I'm pretty sure you meant to write "tonkotsu," which is usually a thick,
> milky-
> colored broth made from simmered pork bones.
>

That is what I meant.
Thanks for the correction.

yuki

Todd Michel McComb

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In article <10cvdgg...@corp.supernews.com>,

Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
>I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108 Castro, MV.

I nearly mentioned it, but basically truncated my comments at that
point. It is one of the better restaurants on Castro St, although
suffers a bit in a comparison of Bay Area restaurants in total.

>Cafe Yulong also

I am not a fan. At first, I thought that was only because I missed
Full House, the previous restaurant there, and one of our regular
haunts. The Cafe Yulong people are nice, and do a pretty good job
of cooking, but ultimately the menu is too much like a "Chinese
restaurant" to offer much of interest. They have a few of their
own slants, but "Chinese restaurant" is just not a cuisine I enjoy.

Dave Eisen

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Jun 17, 2004, 7:46:42 PM6/17/04
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In article <cat1ie$dm$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,

Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>In article <10cvdgg...@corp.supernews.com>,
>Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
>>I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108 Castro, MV.
>
>I nearly mentioned it, but basically truncated my comments at that
>point. It is one of the better restaurants on Castro St, although
>suffers a bit in a comparison of Bay Area restaurants in total.

Never occurred to me to mention it. Not a very good restaurant,
not very Italian either if that matters to you.

>>Cafe Yulong also
>
>I am not a fan. At first, I thought that was only because I missed
>Full House, the previous restaurant there, and one of our regular
>haunts. The Cafe Yulong people are nice, and do a pretty good job
>of cooking, but ultimately the menu is too much like a "Chinese
>restaurant" to offer much of interest. They have a few of their
>own slants, but "Chinese restaurant" is just not a cuisine I enjoy.

It is a cuisieg that I enjoy. I would have preferred it if Full
House were still there. Their Shanghai cuisine was distinctive
for the area here and really added something to the culinary landscape.
Cafe Yulong not so much --- it's just another Chinese restaurant.
But it's a good one and one of my first choices when eating along
Castro.

Max Hauser

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Jun 18, 2004, 6:51:26 AM6/18/04
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"Todd Michel McComb" wrote:

> Max Hauser wrote:
> >I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108 Castro, MV.
>
> I nearly mentioned it, but basically truncated my comments at that
> point. It is one of the better restaurants on Castro St, although
> suffers a bit in a comparison of Bay Area restaurants in total.

Yes of course, one could go further, Santa Clara County restaurants
aggregately suffer in comparison to SF; SF in comparison to New York; New
York against other much older food cities; and my own experience is merely
terrestrial, what do I really know. This question and my response though
were about moderately priced restaurants on Castro Street, Mountain View.

>
> >Cafe Yulong also
>
> I am not a fan. . . . Cafe Yulong people are nice, and do a


> pretty good job of cooking, but ultimately the menu is too
> much like a "Chinese restaurant" to offer much of interest.
> They have a few of their own slants, but "Chinese restaurant"
> is just not a cuisine I enjoy.

Yes of course, Te gustibus don't let's dispute 'em. You have mentioned the
same thing before. Speaking for myself, and partly for those who've dined
with me, some of them Chinese in origin by the way; and still of possible
interest to other seekers of food in downtown MV, I am all but blind to the
things on the menu that don't interest me. What I did find there to interet
me, and not elsewhere so far, are the fresh-noodle dishes (recalling China
Stix over in Santa Clara which became very popular for its own fresh noodle
dishes) and various unusual seafood specialties, damn I don't find the menu
just at the moment or I would name them, maybe I can follow up.

Todd, within Mountain View restaurants with Chinese cuisine, can you
recommend one or more that do stand out to you, with if possible, specifics?
Dishes, etc?

Max


Max Hauser

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Jun 18, 2004, 7:19:00 AM6/18/04
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"Dave Eisen" wrote:
> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
> >Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
> >>I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108 Castro, MV.
> >
> >I nearly mentioned it, but basically truncated my comments at that
> >point. It is one of the better restaurants on Castro St . . .

>
> Never occurred to me to mention it. Not a very good restaurant,
> not very Italian either if that matters to you.

(By the way I could name a good many other Italianoid or "Mediterranean"
kitchens around the area with Turkish cooks, some near Vaso, another good
one is/was Porcino in Fremont, one of the famous Four Fremont Non-Chain
Restaurants of a few years ago, a field now widened a bit).

Dave, you seem to get around quite a bit to restaurants in the area and I
value your comments on ba.food, I often find my tastes resembling yours.
Could you give some specifics behind your "not very good" summary above, it
might help me also to understand your remarks on other restaurants.

Meantime what I specifically like in Vaso is the classic practice of
preparing a long-simmering stock pot in the kitchen and assembling
old-fashioned meat dishes with reduction sauces drawing from that stock.
Also, use of fresh ingredients with good taste (including the vegetarian
pasta dish I named in this thread), some of the results have really sung
when the kitchen was "on." The first time I went there (late at night) the
sauce on one of those old-fashioned meat dishes was oversalted (possibly it
had been prepped and cooked down a bit over the evening, that happens) but
that technical fault never recurred. Also, an MV resident I know had
reported finding the employees cool, as in cold, when he dined the first
time; I've seen a little of that, it may be the customary server reserve of
the Southeastern US where the cousins got started, before searching around
for a venue for their own business and settling on Downtown MV. That MV
resident came back with regulars and saw the restaurant make a fuss over the
group, bring out experimental dishes etc., I think he enjoys it much more
now. (That is an example of what I meant by warming to regulars). Again, I
brought some of my Hong Kong relatives there when they visited a few months
ago -- they love downtown MV by the way, my aunt, gringo and Bay-Area born,
once bewildered one poor Chinese-émigré restaurant hostess on Castro with
idiomatic Cantonese and correctly spotted which Kowloon district the girl
came from by her pronunciation. Anyway, at Vaso they pulled out some
experimental wild-mushroom dishes for us when I took these same relatives
there, and charmed my polyglot aunt, she has been recommending the place now
to her Bay Area friends. Such specifics are why I recommend Vaso Azurro.

Max


Todd Michel McComb

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In article <10d5i9...@corp.supernews.com>,

Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
>Yes of course, one could go further, Santa Clara County restaurants
>aggregately suffer in comparison to SF; SF in comparison to New
>York;

Well, some things around here are less available other places.
Spice Islands is an example of that, whereas Vaso is not.

>What I did find there to interet me, and not elsewhere so far, are
>the fresh-noodle dishes

We did like the noodles. If they were more setup to just pick up
something quick like that (as per Kirin below), I'd probably patronize
them for that.

>Todd, within Mountain View restaurants with Chinese cuisine, can
>you recommend one or more that do stand out to you, with if possible,
>specifics?

Ah, that's a difficult constraint. When we want a big Chinese meal,
we usually go to Milpitas. Within MV, I regularly pick up porridge
or noodle soup from Kirin. Also, in season, if we want a crab- or
lobster-centric meal, we get those at Fu Lam Mum sometimes, although
their menu is a bit "thin" for a full dinner. (Since we're a family
of 5, a big Chinese meal will often be 10 or more different items.)
For something closer, Hunan Home's in MV has (relatively) recently
added an entire Hong Kong-style section to their menu, and they do
pretty well with it.

Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 18, 2004, 3:41:10 PM6/18/04
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In article <cav01s$1of$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,

Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>Well, some things around here are less available other places.
>Spice Islands is an example of that, whereas Vaso is not.

Inspired by this thread, I stopped at Vaso Azzurro today for lunch.
They've redone the place a bit since I was last there. Related to
being "cool," that is indeed part of the reason I stopped going.
I went several times, always very soon after they opened for dinner,
and I frequently got the impression that I was imposing on them by
being there. At first I shrugged it off, but after several visits,
it just got to be too weird. I thought the whole place did, indeed,
seem much "warmer" today.

I had the pollo saltimbocca, which is something I had enjoyed before.
It is the penne salsiccia that I've eaten most often. One thing I
noted here about Vaso Azzurro in the past, and which I had attributed
partly to being the only diner on many occasions, was that the food
came out blazing hot. That remained true today, so that is excellent.

Dave Eisen

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Jun 18, 2004, 4:11:27 PM6/18/04
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In article <10d5jt3...@corp.supernews.com>,

Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
>"Dave Eisen" wrote:
>> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>> >Max Hauser <maxR...@THIStdl.com> wrote:
>> >>I am surprised not to see Vaso Azzurro at 108 Castro, MV.
>> >
>> >I nearly mentioned it, but basically truncated my comments at that
>> >point. It is one of the better restaurants on Castro St . . .
>>
>> Never occurred to me to mention it. Not a very good restaurant,
>> not very Italian either if that matters to you.
>
>Dave, you seem to get around quite a bit to restaurants in the area and I
>value your comments on ba.food, I often find my tastes resembling yours.
>Could you give some specifics behind your "not very good" summary above, it
>might help me also to understand your remarks on other restaurants.

I'm not really sure about specifics, have only eaten there a couple
of times and did not take notes.

I do remember ordering the lamb shank dish. I am a sucker for lamb
shanks, osso buco, etc. Nice tender piece of meat, but absolutely
no flavor at all. I don't know how they managed it.

It was also served over mashed potatoes which really isn't a bad
idea, but is part of the reason I have to question their province
as an Italian restaurant.

I suppose I could give them another chance in light of your positive
experiences there (and really, in light of the limited Italian options
in this part of the peninsula), but my first two meals there were pretty
mediocre.

Meg Worley

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Jun 23, 2004, 11:21:18 PM6/23/04
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Eric writes:
>Just as an aside, Nick has sold Mazeh. I'm trying not to be sad
>since I don't know what the new owners are up to.

To hell with the new owners; what's *Nick* going to be doing?

As Todd said, that sure was quick.


Rage away,

meg


--

Meg Worley _._ m...@steam.stanford.edu _._ Comparatively Literate

Meg Worley

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Jun 23, 2004, 11:28:45 PM6/23/04
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DaveE writes:
>I suppose I could give them another chance in light of your positive
>experiences there (and really, in light of the limited Italian options
>in this part of the peninsula), but my first two meals there were pretty
>mediocre.

We probably ate there half a dozen times, and never once was the
food above mediocre -- and the service not even that. I was
desperate for Mouton Vieux to have a restaurant to teach Don Giovanni
a lesson, but it wasn't meant to be.

Max Hauser

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Jun 24, 2004, 2:28:58 AM6/24/04
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"Meg Worley" wrote :

>
> We probably ate there half a dozen times, and never
> once was the food above mediocre -- and the service
> not even that. I was desperate for Mouton Vieux to
> have a restaurant to teach Don Giovanni a lesson, but
> it wasn't meant to be.

Come and dine there with me at your convenience, Meg, and see that you
think, if you would like to find out what I was writing about here. (Send
email.)

(It is possible, of course, that I had no idea what I was talking about.
But you might be surprised. What was it Thomas Mann said in his famous
Afterword essay to Magic Mountain, about reverence before the unknown? I
can't find the damn thing when I need it, of course, so that will have to
do.)

-- Max


Max Hauser

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Jun 24, 2004, 4:45:11 AM6/24/04
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"Max Hauser" in news:10dkt58...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> ... and see that you think, ...

Correction, should be "see what you think." (Apologies, it was late; this
illustrates what engineering circles call "test escape," the automatic
checks passed it, because it's a legitimate formulation. But I did presume
already that Meg thinks.) Thomas Mann is still missing, by the way.


evergene

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Jun 24, 2004, 12:04:03 PM6/24/04
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Max Hauser asked:

>..What was it Thomas Mann said in his famous


>Afterword essay to Magic Mountain, about reverence before the unknown?

Answer:
"I hadn't had a bite to eat since yesterday; so Jim he got out some
corn-dodgers and buttermilk, and pork and cabbage, and greens -- there
ain't nothing in the world so good, when it is cooked right -- and
whilst I eat my supper we talked, and had a good time."

Max Hauser

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Jun 24, 2004, 5:39:51 PM6/24/04
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That was it.


Karen O'Mara

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Jun 24, 2004, 6:34:06 PM6/24/04
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evergene <ever...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<4muld0h5skd08iglg...@4ax.com>...

> Answer:
> "I hadn't had a bite to eat since yesterday; so Jim he got out some
> corn-dodgers and buttermilk, and pork and cabbage, and greens -- there
> ain't nothing in the world so good, when it is cooked right -- and
> whilst I eat my supper we talked, and had a good time."

Speaking of pork and cabbage... today I tried J&J's, the
Chinese/Hawaiian fastfood bbq place near the Menlo Park train station
that Mark and everyone talked about a while back here. I had one of
the specials -- KaLua pork and cabbage. It was terrific in flavor --
smokey and juicy. My friend had the chicken katsu (fried cutlet) and
saimin (noodle soup) and it was delicious, too. (I tried it.)

As earlier reported on this ng, my dish was served with two scoops of
rice and macaroni salad that I didn't eat too much of (carb already
overloaded from some bread pudding for breakfast). My friend who
ordered the katsu and saimin was born and raised in Honolulu, and she
said macaroni salad and rice is typical side dishes for local "plate
lunches," or fast-food in Hawaii. Also, she said it's tradition to
serve two scoops of rice, never one, for good luck. Always a double
dip, even if they're small, is the proper way to serve rice on a
plate. I said I thought it was too much rice but she didn't. (and so
our conversation went on today...)

By noon the place was full. Lunch prices range from $2.99 to $7 for
the special.


Karen

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Todd Michel McComb

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Jun 24, 2004, 10:42:08 PM6/24/04
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In article <cbg359$m2u$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>,
Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo <calliope+use...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>That's at the intersection of Castro and California, right?

That is where Cascal is, yes.

Alison Chaiken

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Jun 25, 2004, 12:43:23 AM6/25/04
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> Max Hauser asked:
>>..What was it Thomas Mann said in his famous
>>Afterword essay to Magic Mountain, about reverence before the unknown?

evergene <ever...@newsguy.com> writes:
> Answer:
> "I hadn't had a bite to eat since yesterday; so Jim he got out some
> corn-dodgers and buttermilk, and pork and cabbage, and greens --
> there ain't nothing in the world so good, when it is cooked right --
> and whilst I eat my supper we talked, and had a good time."

You silly! That's _Magic River_, the lesser-known sequel. After the
end of the World War and the tragic death of his cousin, young Hans
travels down the Rhine on the raft Anubis with his new friend Tyrone
Slothrop.

ObFood: quite fine takeout tonight from the City Grill in the Fremont
Hub. For $24 we had shawarma and an eggplant sandwich, plus sides of
baba ghanoush, hummus, fattoush and yogurt-cucumber salad in addition
to the inevitable Arabic bread. The fattoush had a wonderful dressing
that included sumac, lemon and another ingredient I couldn't quite
place. City Grill now offers a tiny market section where products
like jameed (dried sheeps' yogurt), grains, pickles, pomegranate
juice, orange and rose water and a large variety of spices can be
purchased. All were imported from Jordan.

--
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(650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/
In keeping with the tradition of naming units after the discoverers of
physical phenomena, Bureau International des Poids de Mesures
announced today that henceforth 1 spam/user*second would be known as
the cantorsiegel or CS.

Max Hauser

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Jun 25, 2004, 5:35:03 AM6/25/04
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"Alison Chaiken" in news:x6zn6s9...@capsicum.wsrcc.com...

>
>
> > Max Hauser asked:
> >>..What was it Thomas Mann said in his famous
> >>Afterword essay to Magic Mountain, about reverence
> >>before the unknown?
>
> evergene <ever...@newsguy.com> writes:
> > Answer:
> > "I hadn't had a bite to eat since yesterday; so Jim he got out some
> > corn-dodgers and buttermilk, and pork and cabbage, and greens --
> > there ain't nothing in the world so good, when it is cooked right --
> > and whilst I eat my supper we talked, and had a good time."
>
> You silly! That's _Magic River_, the lesser-known sequel. After
> the end of the World War and the tragic death of his cousin,
> young Hans travels down the Rhine on the raft Anubis with his
> new friend Tyrone Slothrop.

They meet a couple of rogues styling themselves the Duke and the Dauphin
("Tous les deux, tous les deux") and label them "Tous le deux." These
rogues organize a scam and sell tickets, adding at the last minute the sign
"Jugendverbot!" (No Minors) with the sly comment "If that don't fetch 'em,
I don't know Düsseldorf."

> City Grill now offers a tiny market section where products
> like jameed (dried sheeps' yogurt), grains, pickles, pomegranate
> juice, orange and rose water and a large variety of spices can be
> purchased. All were imported from Jordan.
>

Good stuff. Maybe I mentioned once my visits to ethnic ingredients shops
early 1990s including one place known for Persian-type products where I
asked eagerly for pomegranate puree (a chief cooking ingredient, in glorious
meat dishes for instance, role kind of like tomato sauces in Italy I'm
told). The proprietors, who didn't know me, were wary. They had multiple
competing brands of the bottled puree. Direct trade with Iran was forbidden
(verboten) then. There had been one or two scandals about it. I asked,
just curiously, where the purees were from. "Lebanon!" one answered. "Yes,
yes, Lebanon!" the other chimed in, with a sugary smile. Overeagerly.

Max


Michael W. Godfrey

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:45:05 PM6/25/04
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In article <cbg3e0$bjv$1...@machaut.medieval.org>,

Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:


Hence the name.

(Right, you knew that.)

Max Hauser

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Jun 26, 2004, 5:11:56 AM6/26/04
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"Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:

> >>That's at the intersection of Castro and California, right?
> >
> >That is where Cascal is, yes.
>
> Hence the name.
>
> (Right, you knew that.)


As with "VIVA CAlifornia ingredients," a grill, lately at the same
intersection, across California. Let us hope the two new places fare
better.


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