Palin: An American Insult
karel
An American Insult
By Karel
Civility is over rated, especially when your country is in danger. And
America, we’re in danger.
The Neoconservative Republicans are planning another coup so they
complete their takeover of the Supreme Court and most other branches
of government. No, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just observant.
John McCain, in a sheer act of politics with no regard for the safety
of the nation he professes to love, an act that is not only an insult
to American women but to Americans in general, has shown he is a pawn
not a maverick, a sycophant instead of a strong leader.
Gov. Palin is a two year governor of a state that has less than
700,000 people. She was formerly a mayor of a town of 9000. Excuse me
if I don’t want her butting heads with Middle Eastern leaders or
making actions that affect world economies.
And don’t start with the Obama comparisons. We all know it’s apples
and oranges.
And why is no one saying it, why is no one talking about the elephant
in the room?
John McCain wants Hillary’s women. So he throws some inexperienced
white woman out there to “compliment” his ticket.
This is time for statesmen, not amateurs. I’ve met Hillary Clinton,
and Mrs. Palin, you are NO Hillary Clinton.
This verges on treason to me. It truly does. We are dying as a nation
in almost all ways, we need inspiration, hope, we need change or we
will, in fact, fail. We need passion and experience, we need help from
every branch of government and each other. No one can stand idly by,
it truly is time for a 21st Century revolution; A revolution towards
the future, not the past.
And leaders must take us there. That’s how it’s always been.
I want Obama and Biden to say what needs to be said, that to turn the
country over to Gov. Palin would be a fatal error. That John McCain,
if elected at 72 having survived cancer a few times, will probably die
or become infirm in office because the stress is far too great in this
particular job (heavy is the head). And when that happens, not if, our
country will be hers to run?
Talk about chances. ZERO foreign policy. Is she the face to lead us
out of Iraq? President Palin. Because if you can’t imagine that, then
you can’t imagine them. That is more of chance than not at this point.
Get over it, sorry, no time for civility.
This woman totes guns, poses with dead bears, and thinks it’s
acceptable to enter the world’s stage of politics with a four month
son with down syndrome…a job that takes a full time parent not a full
time nanny. But oh well, duty calls I suppose, hubby will mind the
kids. Very maternal. Thanks mom. And get over that, too. Ask any
parent of a child that has challenges if they have time to be Vice
President; or the desire, for that matter.
This a woman that should fall through those cracks in the ceiling
Hillary broke when it comes to the Executive Branch of the U.S.
government at this time. If she were a job applicant for the most
important job at your company and walked in with this resumé you’d say
see you in five or ten years, when you’ve run something bigger than,
say, Memphis.
These people will stop at nothing to keep their cash flowing. They
will insult women, Americans, and yes, even Mrs. Palin. She may allow
herself to be used this way, but how can she look in the mirror? And
when she does, does she know she looks just like Karen from Will and
Grace? There, I said that, too.
This is a comedy, really. Can you imagine the rest of the world
looking at this? A laughing stock, again.
The Titanic is sinking and we ask a lifeboat captain to step in and
save the day. Wonderful, a rookie lifeboat captain at that. Oh, but
her captain is strong? Really? Not a word I’d use for John McCain;
Dawdling, infirm, angry, pandering and on the verge of traitorous with
this pick, but not strong.
I hope CNN will stop acting like Palin’s press secretary. How about
the toughness you showed Hillary? And it’s not editorial to say this
pick jeopardizes our national security; that’s fact. It’s not
hyperbole to say that should this woman become president world markets
could crash. It’s not incorrect to say we have an aging, somewhat
infirm Senator now leading the ticket with someone, a token woman, on
it, a woman with the governing experience equal to less than Mayor
Newsome.
I maintain it is Un-American to vote for John McCain. His policies
will lead America to financial and political ruin in the world (even
more than now) as he is being run by criminals inside a criminally run
neoconservative party. He has chosen someone who would no more be able
to govern the Unites States in to a prosperous and happy 21st Century
than George Bush has. He obviously cares more about political gain
than American progress. That is Un-American.
Mrs. Palin, had you been a true American, you would have declined and
stated to Mr. McCain that the government and the country needs the
best of the best right now if we are to survive. And while you may be
competent, you have had no time at all to prove you are even capable,
let alone the best, and less than 80 days is too short of a learning
curve for this particular job. Your opportunism got the best of your
patriotism, and perhaps even your family life, only your family can
decide that.
In any event, you and your leader must not have a chance to rule over
any American family’s life. America can’t take it. This isn’t an empty
insult, it’s one that aims to destroy our very way of life.
Overreaction? Look around. Our way of life is almost gone.
John McCain is white. Gov. Palin is a white woman. They will each get
some votes because of that. And should they win, kid thee not, it will
be because of that, the most Un-American reason of all. It’s time
that’s just put out there. They have no issues on which to stand, no
success to build upon, nothing but the lack of mellanin in their skin
and gender. Please say that’s not enough to get elected.
And if it is, I hope Canada is readying a place for me.
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Karel (Charles Karel Bouley) has the #1 talk show in his time slot at
Citadel/ABC's flagship station, KGO AM 810 San Francisco (#1 overall
station), heard Saturday and Sunday 7pm to 10pm or online at www.kgo.com.
He also is an entertainment reporter and film critic for KNX 1070 Los
Angeles (CBS) www.knx1070.com. Karel also has filled for Bill Press on
his national show on a regular basis.
He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
atwww.radiokrll.com and can be reached at feed...@mykgoshow.com.
Karel also appears as a guest on topical issues on such cable news
networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
Cubit
making decisions.
gvk...@yahoo.com
> IMHO: A president need only be highly skilled at selecting advisors, and
> making decisions.
Yes, Cubit you are correct, and Gov. Palin seems every bit as capable
as GW Bush in selecting nothing but the finest!
Hell-of-a-job Brownie!
Oooops......Karel should have waited 1 more day to dis the "family
values" candidate.......since her family is now, more than ever, in a
family "way"...
OMG.....Friday to Monday.....Only 3 days to unravel McCain's first
important decision.
The question is.......who is the 2008 Sargent Shriver going to be?
I would not be surprised if Gov. Palin ....declines the nomination
offer "due to family considerations" and the McCain gets to choose,
Liberman or Ridge.
Let the fun begin. Don't miss the comments of Dr. Laura who will be
on with Ronn on Tuesday.
SMS
> John McCain wants Hillary’s women. So he throws some inexperienced
> white woman out there to “compliment” his ticket.
The choice of Palin had nothing to do with trying to woo Hillary voters.
No Hillary voter is going to choose McCain based on the gender of his
running mate.
Craf...@aol.com
SMS..you get an a+...This is about solidifying the evangelicals..the
pro-birthers and the pro-oil drilling and nuclear power majority in
this country. California isn't even important..It's a blue state which
will go big for Obama..winner-take-all electoral votes 55 for the
dems. The only thing important in this election .....battleground
states like Ohio(which Obama lost by 10 points) indiana, Missouri,
Penn. etc....
I would never vote for Palin..but I've got to disagree with Karel
here re: experience. Obama was an Illinois legislator( less cred
than a Governor) then only halfway through his FIRST term in the
Senate..half of which he has spent campaigning for president..that
is..not doing anything particularly noteworthy in the Senate. Palin
is the governor of a vast state with a small population but huge land
mass and more importantly huge oil and gas reserves...for about the
same amount of time Obama has actually spent in his senate office.
Obama is only 36 months older than Palin and Palin has a reputation
and history of going after corrupt Republicans in her state and
successfully cleaning up..She is immensely popular in her state with
both dems and reeps. As for her daughter's out of wedlock
pregnancy..the far right will thrill that she KEPT THE KID... not
aborted it. I could never vote for a wolf killer.but the NRA..will
adore her. Do you all like Biden's advocacy for ''rebuilding
Georgia'' when we have no money...?? And Obama is full of crap when
he promised in a good but not great speech that he would deliver you
all healthcare like the type congress enjoys?? That's a lite..also
when obama says he'll cut the taxes of 95% of American workers..that's
also a lie.. the US debt is waytoo huge to do either of those
things..It's a pipe dream..Also don't forget about Biden's long time
repeated incidences of plagiarism and his passion for increasing
penalties for medicinal marijuana users.. A bumpy road lies
ahead..and the more outraged dems and libs are about Palin...the more
it solidifies the right wing and much of the independent vote. More
tonight on yet another pregnancy rumor that will blow your already
blown minds....7-10p on KGO/
DWA...@gmail.com
> his national show on a regular basis.
>
> He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
> atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
> HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
> published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
> online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
>
> Karel also appears as a guest on topical issues on such cable news
> networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
> for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
> seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
> Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
> industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
> marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
> being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
> and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
> Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
> major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
> 640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
> station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
> went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
> pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
> shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
> Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
Karel,
You are clueless as to why Hillary was picked and as to why she and
McCain just may win the presidency. Palin was not selected to scoop
up the "Hillary voters" as you contend. That's laughable. Of course
she may garner some of their votes, but that wasn't the reason Palin
was selected. I suggest you listen to John Rothman's recent shows
(Fri. am. 1-4 am) and find out why she was selected. He's perhaps
"thee expert" on the vice-presidency of the U.S., and I'd say he
knows just a bit more than you and your little microphone in SoCal.
You stereotype what "mothers should be and/or do", yet how do you like
it when gays or other groups are stereotyped? Yes, you're a "big boy"
and can handle it I know, but I suggest you just grow-up. You cast
your aspersions on those who want to possess guns as "gun toters".
Isn't that big of you! I personally don't own a gun, and never will,
but you, on your mighty self-righteous horse, feel fit to look down on
those who do. Perhaps you want to take away other rights as well, such
as free speech...
And do you really think one person makes security decisions on behalf
of the U.S.? Do you even think the president can push his/her
decision to the top of the pile. If you think that, you're more naive
than I ever thought.
I believe you are even more angry than John McCain, and perhaps
rightly so. You see what should have been a "slam dunk" democratic
presidency slipping away. And, as the weeks unfold leading up to the
election, I believe many others will see what you're seeing.
DWA...@gmail.com
> On Sep 1, 11:19 am, karel <ka...@karelchannel.com> wrote:
>
> Karel,
>
> You are clueless as to why Hillary was picked and as to why she and
> McCain just may win the presidency. Palin was not selected to scoop
> up the "Hillary voters" as you contend. That's laughable.
Oooops, obviously meant to say "why Palin was picked" above (had
Hillary on my mind)... And I believe I've read one of the most
reasoned posts from Christine Craft ever. I think I need a drink!
gvk...@yahoo.com
More
> tonight on yet another pregnancy rumor that will blow your already
> blown minds....7-10p on KGO/
This isn't a tease is it? Well, I'd certainly never accuse you of
that.
Then again, I might just tune in, but only if you promise to address
it in the first hour or tell us which hour you will bring it up.
Oh about Obama and Biden......all that negative stuff, but wait, I
know, you'll say......"I'm gonna vote for them"
Not that California is in play.
One small problem for those wanting to make hay of this 17 year old
being pregnant. Obama's mother was 18 when he was born.
One other factoid, I have not been seeing in the news.
McCain's mother is in her 90's, but his dad died of a heart attack at
age 70 and his grandfather of the same, at age 61.
We need only look at KGO or Russert to see how suddenly it can happen
to anyone.
Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about who could be
pregnant......Michelle?, Palin herself again? Condi? Rielle
again? Tune in I guess.
John Higdon
<8bb75ffb-46ae-4ce6...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
gvk...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about who could be
> pregnant......Michelle?, Palin herself again? Condi? Rielle
> again? Tune in I guess.
I see it is going to be a really significant campaign, using up gallons
of ink and literally days of broadcast time. Fortunately, it all means
nothing in California.
--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
gvk...@yahoo.com
> In article
> <8bb75ffb-46ae-4ce6-8c9d-2f16aebf6...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
> gvk2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about who could be
> > pregnant......Michelle?, Palin herself again? Condi? Rielle
> > again? Tune in I guess.
>
> I see it is going to be a really significant campaign, using up gallons
> of ink and literally days of broadcast time. Fortunately, it all means
> nothing in California.
>
Yes, thats why Craft's constant trashing of Obama-Biden while always
ending it with "Hey, I'm gonna vote for them", doesn't really bother
me.
Trash----disclaimer----trash-----disclaimer-----trash----modifier
Seems to be a pattern on many topics. Perhaps something to do with
legal training?
Craf...@aol.com
GET A CLUE. California is NOT IN PLAY.... I'll never vote for McCain/
Palin and neither will other Hillary-o-philes ...Sarah Palin is not
Hillary...that said If I or other non-democrats in CALIFORNIA don't
vote for Obama, vote for a third party candidate like Nader...or not
vote at all..will not in one whit affect who actually wins the
election....it only matters in the battleground states where electoral
votes make the difference. gvk 2 needs a primer on the electoral
college and general elections.
Craf...@aol.com
> his national show on a regular basis.
>
> He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
> atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
> HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
> published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
> online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
> networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
> for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
> seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
> Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
> industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
> marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
> being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
> and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
> Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
> major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
> 640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
> station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
> went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
> pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
> shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
> Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
heard you say that you are a gun owner...as am I.
Ciccio
>
> http://www.radiokrl.com
>
> An American Insult
>
> By Karel
[About 100 lines of of why McCain and Palin are bad, snipped]
Even IF they are as bad as YOU say they are, it's still not as bad as
having Obama for a president.
> And if it is, I hope Canada is readying a place for me.
So, if McCain and Palin win, you're moving to Canada...Man, for
somebody who is Anti-McCain, you sure know how to drum up some votes
for him...
[About 30 lines of Karel blowing his own horn, snipped]
Ciccio
John Higdon
<397e50c9-d56f-4d2c...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Craf...@aol.com wrote:
> GET A CLUE. California is NOT IN PLAY.... I'll never vote for McCain/
> Palin and neither will other Hillary-o-philes ...Sarah Palin is not
> Hillary...that said If I or other non-democrats in CALIFORNIA don't
> vote for Obama, vote for a third party candidate like Nader...or not
> vote at all..will not in one whit affect who actually wins the
> election....it only matters in the battleground states where electoral
> votes make the difference. gvk 2 needs a primer on the electoral
> college and general elections.
I would hope that the media would discover this and start talking about
issues on the ballot that are far from predetermined and will actually
affect Californians. 100% of the verbiage devoted to the presidential
campaign is just pissing in the wind, but I suspect that all we're going
to hear about will be "heavy-duty presidential politics" (to quote John
Rothmann).
Yawn. Zzzz.
gvk...@yahoo.com
There you go again.....another often repeated habit. You make a point
as though you were debating something I had said to the contrary,
when I had said nothing to suggest at all, that I didn't understand
that the election was really taking place in a few key states rather
than in California.
Whats the point to answering/debating points that were never in
question?
That is a irritating characteristic you have that seems to have no
value for you or anyone. What the heck are foolish posts like that
suppose to do? Make someone think I don't understand the electoral
college and general elections?
Christine, I was stuffing campaign envelopes and taking materials from
door to door since June of 1958. My ....uh, we'll just say close
family members were elected candidates from 1958 forward for two
decades.
I grew up on politics while you were still playing Gigit on the
beaches....not that there's anything wrong with surfing...
A odd item of interest. My roommate in school one year was the son of
the then current governor of Alaska. A subsequent near/roommate,
always at the house, later became the (unnamed very top team member)
of a more recent Alaska governor (not Palin). I have these odd
connections to the Alaska governor's office, almost by chance as
those two people never knew each other.
Anyway, debate all we want, its some yo-yo's in rural Penn, Ohio, and
Michigan who are gonna have more say in this than the entire KGO
audience. We are just window dressing acting like we're gonna
influence anything. But don't tell anyone or your audience will go
over to "Americas Biggest Loser", or Cops...etc
Ciccio
> On Sep 1, 12:27 pm, Craft...@aol.com wrote:
> More
>
> > tonight on yet another pregnancy rumor that will blow your already
> > blown minds....7-10p on KGO/
>
> This isn't a tease is it? Well, I'd certainly never accuse you of
> that.
>
> Then again, I might just tune in, but only if you promise to address
> it in the first hour or tell us which hour you will bring it up.
It's probably the same stuff she was trying to float the other day on
here, that Laura Palin faked her pregnancy and her daughter actually
had the baby. You know, like the other factoids Craft has posted on
here, like there were ONE HUNDRED others trading child porn with
Ward, when it was about 10. Oh, and how there were reports of massive
looting during the mid-west floods. When, in fact, it was like only
about 4 incidences involving only about 10 people at the most....
Ciccio
Craf...@aol.com
Craf...@aol.com
> his national show on a regular basis.
>
> He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
> atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
> HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
> published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
> online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
> networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
> for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
> seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
> Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
> industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
> marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
> being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
> and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
> Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
> major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
> 640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
> station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
> went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
> pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
> shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
> Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
Karel...overrated is one word.
Ciccio
> only about 4..only about 10? don't listen then.
I don't and won't...You'll note I was referring to your posts on here.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
> his national show on a regular basis.
>
> He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
> atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
> HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
> published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
> online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
> networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
> for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
> seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
> Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
> industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
> marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
> being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
> and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
> Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
> major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
> 640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
> station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
> went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
> pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
> shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
> Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
"John McCain is white. Gov. Palin is a white woman."
Here we go again. White is evil. Beware of whitey. Watch out for the
white devil.
Karel voluntarily gave up his last name, though it is possible the
white slavemaster took it. Maybe he should go by Karl-X.
Mike Ward
<franc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>[About 30 lines of Karel blowing his own horn, snipped]
Honestly, if I wanted to know Karel's thoughts on the presidential
election, I know his time slot, and can easily listen via KGO's audio
streaming. What's the point of him posting his article here, anyway?
A gentle note to Karel, Christine, and all the KGO hosts who
participate here...ba.broadcast is not ba.broadcast.show-promos. :)
Ciccio
> Karel...overrated is one word.
Geezus*, now she's resorting to spelling flames...
Ciccio
*Grammatical license taken...
Lest I be corrected by a petty schoolmarmish fill-in talk show hostess.
David Kaye
> Even IF they are as bad as YOU say they are, it's still not as bad as
> having Obama for a president.
Because he's black? Else, why not? Obama would have Biden available
for advice on issues he wasn't familiar with. Biden is well-respected
in both houses and by both major parties.
<Kelly>
> Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about who could be
> pregnant......Michelle?, Palin herself again? Condi? Rielle
> again? Tune in I guess.
Bush's daughter that just got married? Laura Bush? OMG...Barbara
Bush?!?!?! lol!
Who cares? More than a million people have had to abandon their homes
and be evacuated due to Gustav - and another hurricane is on its way
to bash the east coast - there are certainly many more things much
more important than what celebrity or politician or some other kind of
famous person is with child, aren't there? Sheesh...
David Kaye
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ [....]
A hit'n'run piece by Karel? Did someone tell him that ba.broadcast
was a blog or something?
gvk...@yahoo.com
No, we humans deal better with individual failings rather than huge
diffuse hurricanes and failing levees.
BTW, speaking of Laura Bush mentioned above, it was Kryten's post
about Laura Bush's accident as a high school girl, where someone was
killed, that led to my taunting Kryten about his criminal past... ->
leading to my observations about Kryten & Co, very possibly being one
Mr. Ward incognito. In that thread, you were the one to educate me
about IP numbers so I could distinguish and tell the posters were all
the same person. You should take a look at that other thread when you
get the chance.
I've more or less concluded that those posters were BW.
A thread promotion tease.
<Kelly>
> There you go again.....another often repeated habit. You make a point
> as though you were debating something I had said to the contrary,
> when I had said nothing to suggest at all, that I didn't understand
> that the election was really taking place in a few key states rather
> than in California.
>
> Whats the point to answering/debating points that were never in
> question?
>
> That is a irritating characteristic you have that seems to have no
> value for you or anyone. What the heck are foolish posts like that
> suppose to do? Make someone think I don't understand the electoral
> college and general elections?
Aren't Ad-hominem 101 and Hyperbole 201 both required classes in liar
(oops, I mean lawyer) skool? ;-) Maybe Gidget Craft got an A+ in
both...?
> Christine, I was stuffing campaign envelopes and taking materials from
> door to door since June of 1958. My ....uh, we'll just say close
> family members were elected candidates from 1958 forward for two
> decades.
> I grew up on politics while you were still playing Gigit on the
> beaches....not that there's anything wrong with surfing...
Oh, boy - now you've done it. Now Gidg' will have to tell us all how
she was the actual inspiration for the Robert Duvall surfing-Army
Major Kilgore character in Apocalypse Now (she loves the smell of
napalm in the morning, ya know ;-)
<Kelly>
Two of the three IP addresses are the same, all three originate from
the Berkeley area, same ZIP code. Any idea where Bernie's home is?
gvk...@yahoo.com
>
> Two of the three IP addresses are the same, all three originate from
> the Berkeley area, same ZIP code. Any idea where Bernie's home is?
I don't understand.... I only put up two numbers.
-----Late 2007 until early 2008
neuralwei...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.142.139
From: kryten...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.142.139
------------------------------------------
---- Later in 2008 until July
From: kryten...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.143.11
From: exposeneoc...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.143.11
BTW, how do you know they originate in Berkeley?
Does that mean a person who lives outside that ZIP code would not have
that IP number.
All I see when I go to Reverse DNS lookup, is that the number belongs
to Comcast
says--- Results
67.180.142.139 resolves to
"c-67-180-142-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net"
the other comes up with ??
Results
67.180.143.11 resolves to
""
don't know what that means.
Bernie lives in San Francisco, although I use "dial-up" phone numbers
located outside my zip..
Well, as you can see, I don't understand this stuff.
If Bernie lived outside a certain zip does that mean he could not be
the person using that NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.143.11 for example.
At the time of that thread where this was discussed, I understood
everyone to say that those numbers could certainly have been the same
person, but not limited to one Zip code.
gvk...@yahoo.com
>
> Two of the three IP addresses are the same, all three originate from
> the Berkeley area, same ZIP code. Any idea where Bernie's home is?
Hey, I just looked at my own IP address and it says Reston Virgina zip
code 20191... Now I certainly don't live anywhere near Virgina.
So I'm thinking this had little to do with where the computer user
lives.
Bernie lived in San Francisco, but I think given that the IP address
comes up as Comcast with a Berkeley Zip Code makes little difference.
David Kaye
> BTW, how do you know they originate in Berkeley?
> Does that mean a person who lives outside that ZIP code would not have
> that IP number.
> All I see when I go to Reverse DNS lookup, is that the number belongs
> to Comcast
Many ISPs have servers and addressing schemes located in high traffic
areas that identify them with those places. Comcast, AT&T, and others
are like that. But other ISPs don't work that way. Sonic.net is
based in Santa Rosa, for instance, and many, if not most of their
addresses, no matter where the physical of the customer location is,
point back to Santa Rosa. It goes back to what they call "network
topography", how the networks are set up.
As for your Comcast experience, that also depends on the quality of
the reverse DNS lookup you're using. I use a service called Sitemeter
for checking traffic on web pages I run. Sitemeter breaks down the
particular Comcast networks by area. For instance, at the moment I'm
looking at Comcast user stats from Mill Valley, SF, Oakland, Lake
Elsinore, Berkeley, and San Ramon.
gvk...@yahoo.com
I use a service called Sitemeter
> for checking traffic on web pages I run. Sitemeter breaks down the
> particular Comcast networks by area. For instance, at the moment I'm
> looking at Comcast user stats from Mill Valley, SF, Oakland, Lake
> Elsinore, Berkeley, and San Ramon.
David, could you do me a favor?
I have these two IP numbers. Could you look them up on Sitemeter?
-----Late 2007 until early 2008
From: kryten...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.142.139
------------------------------------------
---- Later in 2008 until July
From: exposeneoc...@gmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.143.11
------------------------------------
I went to Sitemeter but it appears its a fee based service.
Looking forward to the results if they are zip or city specific.
However they are supposed to be Comcast so i don't know how a cable
network would show up.
<Kelly>
Well, it's definitely not a perfect science (actually it's not a
science at all ;-), but it does give some clues occasionally. BTW,
all AOL IP addresses come up Reston, VA.
David Kaye
> David, could you do me a favor?
>
> I have these two IP numbers. Could you look them up on Sitemeter?
Sitemeter breaks out info about people who view websites. It is not a
DNS lookup itself. There is no way to enter addresses, only to get
info about people who have visited.
gvk...@yahoo.com
OK, thanks for the explanation.
Bill Z.
> On Sep 1, 3:41 pm, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Two of the three IP addresses are the same, all three originate from
> > the Berkeley area, same ZIP code. Any idea where Bernie's home is?
>
> I don't understand.... I only put up two numbers.
> -----Late 2007 until early 2008
>
> neuralwei...@gmail.com
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.142.139
>
> From: kryten...@gmail.com
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.142.139
You can determine that the IP address belongs to Comcast, but there is
no rule requiring an IP address range to be associated with a
particular zip code.
If you use traceroute or some similar programs, and try to find a
route to 67.180.142.139, you'll get replies part way. When I tried
it, the last two I got were from routers named
be-10-ar01.oakland.ca.sfba.comcast.net and
te-0-2-0-1-ar01.sfsutro.ca.sfba.comcast.net. The names suggest the
route goes to Oakland and then to San Francisco (Sutro Towers area,
perhaps due to Comcast's cable-TV business?)
But that's about it unless you have access to data that Comcast
would most likely want to keep private.
--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
gvk...@yahoo.com
Thank you for that reply. It would seem that is all anyone is going
to get. The two numbers I saw this person (kryten, exposeneoc,
neuralwei) was using are both, I think Comcast, with most likely the
same result.....not being able to pin it down to a single city and
certainly not to a single zip code.
67.180.142.139
-----------------------------------
67.180.143.11
-----------------------------------
But from what people tell me, they are almost certainly the same
person using 3 different names.
BayAreaB...@gmail.com
> GET A CLUE. California is NOT IN PLAY....
Polls show McCain gaining in CA and now within single digits.
Obama was crushed in California by Hillary and did poorly among
hispanics.
Don't count McCain out in CA.
Phil Keller
>
> A gentle note to Karel, Christine, and all the KGO hosts who
> participate here...ba.broadcast is not ba.broadcast.show-promos. :)
I think information about upcoming shows from the hosts it a good thing.
Phil
SoCal Tom
> But from what people tell me, they are almost certainly the same
> person using 3 different names.
The other possibility is that three or more people are using the same
computer.
On the other hand, if the writing style between the three names is
similar, then I would suspect that it's one person using more than one
screen name.
I used to run a website where one person used five screen names. If I
tried to block one of them using the IP address, I ended up blocking all
five.
SoCal Tom
Stratum
Talkshow hosts can overdo it on the Bay Area thing here. It's good
to know what's up and coming in Fernwood.
John Slade
"karel" <ka...@karelchannel.com> wrote in message
news:e81f321d-76ba-4448...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-karel-bouley/
An American Insult
By Karel
Karel, please post this in a political group next time like ba.politics,
alt.politics.democrats and/or alt.politics.republican You will get a better
responses than you will in here.
John
-------
Angeles (CBS) www.knx1070.com. Karel also has filled for Bill Press on
his national show on a regular basis.
He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
atwww.radiokrll.com and can be reached at feed...@mykgoshow.com.
John Slade
"SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:I6Xuk.21264$uE5....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> karel wrote:
>
>> John McCain wants Hillary’s women. So he throws some inexperienced
>> white woman out there to “compliment” his ticket.
>
> No Hillary voter is going to choose McCain based on the gender of his
> running mate.
Ummmmm, yes it was done to woo Clinton voters. Did you hear what Palin
said when McCain introduced her? Palin said that Hillary Clinton put 18
million cracks in the glass ceiling and voting for McCain could shatter it.
It is clear pandering to the bitter women who are on the fence because
Clinton lost and Obama didn't choose her. Now that we see polls conducted
after the choice, McCain made a mistake. He talked to her once and met her
once before the selection. It's clear she wasn't vetted as well as she
should have been. I mean usually you see about this time the Democrats pull
defeat out of the mouths of victory. This time it looks like the republicans
are just saying to hell with this, we'll probably lose anyway. Why put up a
republican veep with some standing in the party? They can run again sometime
and this Palin woman can get a little national exposure even though a losing
veep is the kiss of death for political careers.
John
John Higdon
"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Karel, please post this in a political group next time like ba.politics,
> alt.politics.democrats and/or alt.politics.republican You will get a better
> responses than you will in here.
But then...
In article <uLzvk.36470$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Ummmmm, yes it was done to woo Clinton voters. Did you hear what Palin
> said when McCain introduced her? Palin said that Hillary Clinton put 18
> million cracks in the glass ceiling and voting for McCain could shatter it.
> It is clear pandering to the bitter women who are on the fence because
> Clinton lost and Obama didn't choose her. Now that we see polls conducted
> after the choice, McCain made a mistake. He talked to her once and met her
> once before the selection. It's clear she wasn't vetted as well as she
> should have been. I mean usually you see about this time the Democrats pull
> defeat out of the mouths of victory. This time it looks like the republicans
> are just saying to hell with this, we'll probably lose anyway. Why put up a
> republican veep with some standing in the party? They can run again sometime
> and this Palin woman can get a little national exposure even though a losing
> veep is the kiss of death for political careers.
>
> John
--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
John Slade
"Ciccio" <franc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:d1f35fc9-cecb-4dcd...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 1, 2:10 pm, Craft...@aol.com wrote:
>> Karel...overrated is one word.
>Geezus*, now she's resorting to spelling flames...
Well what do you expect? Craft probably doesn't know much about USENET
and she shows she knows nothing about netiquette. Only the most clueless
folk and crabby people go after spelling errors. But I find it ironic that
Craft goes after erroris in spelling and grammar when her posts are almost
unreadable because of all the tripple periods and wacky punctuation. She's
rapidly becoming another Higdon in here.
John
John Slade
<gvk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4536ca3b-91b2-489b...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 1:06 pm, John Higdon <HisRoyalRadioHign...@kome.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <8bb75ffb-46ae-4ce6-8c9d-2f16aebf6...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> gvk2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about who could be
>> > pregnant......Michelle?, Palin herself again? Condi? Rielle
>> > again? Tune in I guess.
>>
>> of ink and literally days of broadcast time. Fortunately, it all means
>> nothing in California.
>>
>
> Yes, thats why Craft's constant trashing of Obama-Biden while always
> ending it with "Hey, I'm gonna vote for them", doesn't really bother
> me.
>
> Trash----disclaimer----trash-----disclaimer-----trash----modifier
>
> Seems to be a pattern on many topics. Perhaps something to do with
> legal training?
>
LOL. It's like reading one of her posts in here, it reminds me of
morse code.
John
John Higdon
"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Well what do you expect? Craft probably doesn't know much about USENET
> and she shows she knows nothing about netiquette. Only the most clueless
> folk and crabby people go after spelling errors. But I find it ironic that
> Craft goes after erroris in spelling and grammar when her posts are almost
> unreadable because of all the tripple periods and wacky punctuation. She's
> rapidly becoming another Higdon in here.
Ah, you DID read my post earlier today! Thank you...maybe some day it
will sink in.
Patty Winter
>and she shows she knows nothing about netiquette.
There's an old Usenet analogy about netiquette. Imagine that you're
at a social gathering--cocktail party, barbeque, whatever--and folks
are standing around in small groups chatting about different things.
How would you feel if you and your friends were talking about golf,
when someone suddenly walked up and started stating their opinion
about modern art? It's the same kind of rudeness that Christine
and others display when they barge into this or another Usenet
group with their off-topic postings.
I wonder how well that approach would go over at the law firm
where she works. Do you think a senior partner would look upon
her actions kindly if she barged into a meeting about a court
case shouting, "Sarah Palin is a hypocrite!"? I rather doubt it.
And I suspect that, as clueless as she has been here, she's
got enough sense not to try that at work. But for some reason,
she feels no need to act like an adult on Usenet. Weird.
Patty
Dave Turner
> In article <CxBvk.21310$89.1...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> John Slade <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Well what do you expect? Craft probably doesn't know much about USENET
>> and she shows she knows nothing about netiquette.
>
> There's an old Usenet analogy about netiquette. Imagine that you're
> at a social gathering--cocktail party, barbeque, whatever--and folks
> are standing around in small groups chatting about different things.
> How would you feel if you and your friends were talking about golf,
> when someone suddenly walked up and started stating their opinion
> about modern art? It's the same kind of rudeness that Christine
> and others display when they barge into this or another Usenet
> group with their off-topic postings.
>
But...but... Patty, she's got a law degree. Do you...? ;)
Everybody's a newbie at some point. Some learn, some don't.
<Kelly>
> But...but... Patty, she's got a law degree.
Yeah, and don't forget that she lived in Malibu and was first on the
newscene at the KC skybridge collapse and her dad recently
"croaked" (her words) and she doesn't want to be considered a lady,
and and and and and...ad nauseum.
<snore zzzzzzzzz>
Patty Winter
In article <48bf1012$0$17162$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Dave Turner <da...@wrightpopcorn.com> wrote:
>
>But...but... Patty, she's got a law degree. Do you...? ;)
Oh, that's a great setup line for *so* many retorts... :-)
>Everybody's a newbie at some point. Some learn, some don't.
In my experience, the ones who sincerely want to be good
netizens do learn. The egotists who don't give a damn about
social mores, don't.
Patty
DWA...@gmail.com
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-karel-bouley/
>
> http://www.radiokrl.com
>
> An American Insult
>
> By Karel
>
> America, we’re in danger.
>
> The Neoconservative Republicans are planning another coup so they
> complete their takeover of the Supreme Court and most other branches
> of government. No, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just observant.
>
> John McCain, in a sheer act of politics with no regard for the safety
> of the nation he professes to love, an act that is not only an insult
> to American women but to Americans in general, has shown he is a pawn
> not a maverick, a sycophant instead of a strong leader.
>
> Gov. Palin is a two year governor of a state that has less than
> 700,000 people. She was formerly a mayor of a town of 9000. Excuse me
> if I don’t want her butting heads with Middle Eastern leaders or
> making actions that affect world economies.
>
> And don’t start with the Obama comparisons. We all know it’s apples
> and oranges.
>
> And why is no one saying it, why is no one talking about the elephant
> in the room?
>
> white woman out there to “compliment” his ticket.
>
> his national show on a regular basis.
>
> He is a columnist for the #1 gay/lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate
> atAdvocate.com and IN Magazine Los Angeles as well as the
> HuffingtonPost.com. His book of essays "You Can't Say That" is
> published by Alyson Press. His music is available at iTunes and other
> online stores and he maintains a blog, podcasts and message boards
>
> Karel also appears as a guest on topical issues on such cable news
> networks as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. He is a regular guest on Techlink
> for Time/Warner, as a Macintosh Computer expert and even did two
> seasons as a lead actor on TNN's "Ultimate Revenge" hosted by Ryan
> Seacrest (an improved practical joke show a la Punk'd) created by
> industry veteran Woody Fraiser. Karel produced, directed and wrote a
> marriage equality PSA that won second place in GLAAD's "I Do" contest,
> being aired at OutFest and on national television, featuring 12 youth
> and a cameo by Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Karel made history with his late partner (on and off air) Andrew
> Howard as the duo became the first openly gay male couple to host a
> major market talk show when they took over afternoon drive at KFI AM
> 640 Los Angeles (following Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura on the #1 talk
> station in the country). Upon Andrew's untimely death in 2001, Karel
> went solo and personally changed state law in California so he could
> pursue a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of his partner. He does his
> shows from his studio at the home they shared, Park Howard, in Long
> Beach, CA, where he lives with his dogs.
"The KGO Insult - Kween Karel"
I can't believe, but then I do, that this "Wannabee Karel" makes his
outlandish allegations and then runs off without commenting further to
support his usenet entree. And then, in order to show everyone "how
important he is", he posts his "PR Piece" below his stupid remarks, as
if to show he has credibility. Hell, even the "Crafty Lawyer
(Christine Craft) hasn't stooped that low! I'd like to say that shows
you have real bal@s, but even that seems to be a stretch. And of
course, no one says a thing about the Kween's self-laudatory article,
but of course this is S.F. isn't it?
As I believe John Higdon mentioned "the Bay Area is not mainstream
America"; thank God! And as the Crafty Lawyer mentioned, this
contest will be decided far from California. In the end, Kween
Karel, Stratum and the other nuts are going to realize they had no
clue of the significance of Palin joining the ticket. And when they
see what should have been "a slam-dunk democratic presidency" slip
away, they'll talk about it ad nauseam with the new, yet to be
determined, 10pm - 1 am KGO host.