Joanie Greggains ...H1N1 vaccine causes cancer, mad cow, autism, miscarriage
gvk2
10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
Did you realize that the vaccine includes formaldehyde, aluminum,
squaline, cow gelatine, and a host of other frightening toxic
substances.
Clearly as stated on the show by her expert (with whom she fully
agreed) this shot puts children at risk for a "mad cow disease",
paralysis, autism, auto-immune disease, miscarriage, multiple
sclerosis MS, Guillain-Barré, cancer, "malformed babies" and far
too many other maladies to list here..
Her amazing expert doctor....said just now, at about the 9:46 to 9:48
time that he doesn't believe in any injected vaccines... Not
polio, not flu, NONE of those we've all received..
As Joanie and her guest went onto explain, there is a government and
big pharm conspiracy to fill poor young children and the elderly with
dozens of vaccines all in a effort to make billions of dollars....
Oh yes, her guest expert, Dr. Russell Blaylock, also said a big part
of the effort to push these flu shots is
"population control"..... meaning they are trying to limit population
because as he explained, these vaccines induce sterility in so many.
They don't want these people to have more children. The full reason
for that was not explained, but he did make that point of
deliberately induced sterility several times
Joanie really out did herself on the "I'm a complete ignorant fool"
scale this time..
She made sure to say "scary, scary, scary" over and over and over
Joanie also made sure to end the hour long interview with Dr. Blaylock
by giving his website and telling everyone to go there and "get
informed"...
Dr. Blaylock says the following on various sites...
"Known toxic metals are beings used in the vaccines that interfere
with brain metabolism, antioxidant enzymes, damage DNA and DNA repair
enzymes and trigger excitotoxicity"
And don't think you're out of the woods just because you refuse
vaccines...
After all, Aspartame – also called Nutrasweet, it is very dangerous,
argues Dr. Blaylock
He says doctors know the truth but aren't telling their patients.
Thank God for Joanie Greggains, a broadcaster who tells the truth
even when corporate sponsors threaten to pull advertising from the
entire network....
St. Joan of Malarkey is right there defending the real hidden truth.
Someone has got to do it, because obviously Dr. Dean Edell has been
bought off by powerful corporate/AMA money.
So go to the archives....have a listen....to Dr. Joanie Greggains
10:00 am at her finest.
Kind of like listening to those Obama "birth-ers"... or perhaps those
who think the WTC, including Bldg #7 was all a controlled demolition.
Now, before we go any further, lets all order our Natren best
Probiotic...
No one gets the flu or other dangerous diseases if they just take
enough probiotics.
Ciccio
> (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
> 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
Even back in the day when she was quite doable, she'd start talking
and that would be that...
Ciccio
David Kaye
>Joanie really out did herself on the "I'm a complete ignorant fool"
>scale this time..
Apparently, the Joanie Greggains show is really an informercial, not unlike
the scams you hear on KNEW and KKGN during the odd hours. One would think KGO
was better than that, but, well, this is commerce....
--
"You're in probably the wickedest, most corrupt city, most
Godless city in America." -- Fr Mullen, "San Francisco"
bubba
please gvk and ciccio..be sure to get your flu shots..ya hear? get
two, three.four...joannie's show was superb..she did not pretend to be
a doctor..she had a physician on who points out what anyone who isn't
a sheep has to figure out...for all the years they have offered and
pimped seasonal flu shots..they have NEVER PREDICTED WHICH STRAIN
WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR..so in fact..flu shots have not stopped any
seasonal flu.....ever...if you have any sort of neurological
impairment...you would be wise to research the paralysis related to
such injectables..in addition..check PBS and the Canada story about
how seasonal flu vaccines make you more susceptible to H1N1.......NOT
TO MENTION.. a host of other issues related to immunological response
to injected vaccines and their true ingredients...the smartest thing
you can do about flu....of any type...is to wash hands..and wear a
hepa filter mask...anytime you are within four feet of other
humans..not politically correct..of course..just wise.. avoid the free
food samples at Costco..doesn't make any drug company rich..but please
gvk..and ciccio..be the sheeple you are..and get more shots...don't
ask about or research the risk/benefit analysis..they don't tell the
real people about..they want you scared of the word ''PANDEMIC"""
ARRRRRRGHHHHH..just means a particular bug shows up in more than one
country..happens every day. bravo joannie for a great...brave
show..can you imagine how'' DOABLE'' ciccio is??
bubba
no it's not 10 am today..it was 9am-1o and it won't hurt.....you can
ignore it...just say no..really...you aren't required to question
anything.
bubba
you are full of mercury gvk..he didn't say the purpose was to kill
people at all..listen again....with earplugs out.
David Kaye
>pimped seasonal flu shots..they have NEVER PREDICTED WHICH STRAIN
>WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR..so in fact..flu shots have not stopped any
>seasonal flu.....ever...
You are correct, but some flu outbreaks have been slowed and there is
map-plotted evidence of this.
Regardless, the discussion appears to be about alleged unsafe practices,
allegedly dangerous chemicals, etc. I say this is bogus.
If the Joanie Greggains of the world had much impact in the 1950s we'd still
have polio. Remember that.
Ciccio
> please gvk and ciccio..be sure to get your flu shots..ya hear? get
> two, three.four...
That many shots are unnecessary. The CDC and the NIH are recommending
a single dose of the H1N1 vaccine for people 10 years of age and
older, and two doses for those younger than 10. That's the same
regimen recommended for seasonal flu vaccine.
> joannie's show was superb..
Hmmmm. Let's see, I can take the word of Granny Sally Spandex or that
of the NIH and the CDC...
> can you imagine how'' DOABLE'' ciccio is??
Good thing you said "imagine." After my taking a gander at you, you'd
never come close to finding out even in your wildest imagination...Not
even at closing time.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
Dr. Dean Edel says there are plenty of idiots with MD after their
name.
Joanie's show is a complete waste of bandwidth. Of course, I say that
about Dining Around too.
Now a show hosted by some outdoorsman (ok, person) or sports medicine
professional would be a good replacement. Dr. Dean is the medicine
man, no arguments there.
I'm getting a flu shot Monday. I will be sure to let out a big moo.
bubba
uh ..dean edell doesn't practice medicine and hasn't in many
decades..he was an opthalmologist...who reads a lot of articles..and
talks on the radio..yes..he frequently talks about not practicing..so
that's not a secret ..is it??Joannie has improved many thousands of
peoples' lives over the years..she doesn't claim to be a
physician...get a clue..her guest was a neurologist....attack him if
you are so sure there is little risk from injected vaccines..talk to
gulf war vets..with gulf war syndrome..from injectable vaccines..the
ones who are paraylzed..why do you think the government has to
indemnify the drug makers?? why would that be...hmmmmm..think hard.
bubba
I don't go to bars...and you've never met me...you insult everyone's
appearance..but never show yourself..what do you look like mr
wonderful? imagine is right.
bozo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bubba (or is it Bubbala?) maybe the advocates for flu shots should
recruit the voices behind the "hungry" flying insects paid for by the
broke state of California with their wee little munchkin-like voices
to justify aerial agricultural toxic spraying and let them plug away
for mass flu inoculations too. What could be more stupidly annoying
than hearing "hungry" AND "uninoculated" high-pitched voices plug away
every few hours on KGO for flu-shots and bug-spray? Only thing better
than that is getting perfumed art Macy's during Xmas.
Sheeesh.
-BdN-
"We're hungry, we're horny, we're sick ... We're hungry, we're horny,
we're sick"
Jim Bianchi
> (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
> 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
>
> Did you realize that the vaccine includes formaldehyde, aluminum,
> squaline, cow gelatine, and a host of other frightening toxic
> substances.
What, no MTBE?
--
ji...@sonic.net
Linux: gawk, date, finger, wait, unzip, touch, nice, suck, strip, mount,
fsck, umount, make clean, sleep. (Who needs porn when you have /usr/bin?)
bubba
aerial spray em...ad campaign..which in one instance does include the
light brown apple moth..now given a voice it doesn't have..the evil
chattering..let's eat kali-fornia moth who can talk and scare
you...it's disgusting..but they know it works on the ignorant..spray
us please with checkmate...for the moth that isn't harming anything.
bubba
you mean you'd just rather not know..that's okay..but for those who
don't like intentionally injecting a carcinogen into our veins(forma)
or injecting a substance found in the body naturally.into the
bloodstream where it is not supposed to be naturally..and triggering
an immune response which could lead to lupus or rheumatoid
arthritis....let those of us with a family history of RA be made aware
of the risk/benefit analysis..that's all..make up your own mind..my
decision may be different than yours..the recipients of the injection
should also be aware of the rate of paralysis linked to injectable
vaccines..especially if they have neurological impairments
already..and should be told in bold print that if they are
harmed...THEY HAVE NO REMEDY....WHATSOEVER.( GOVERNMENTS ARE RUSHING
TO INDEMNIFY PHARMA)..PHARMA WOULD NOT HAVE PROVIDED VACCINES WITHOUT
THEIR OWN IMMUNITY .. thus they care little about yours.
Ciccio
> I don't go to bars...
I can see why.
>and you've never met me...
Oh, you look worse than your photos online?
> you insult everyone's appearance..
As great and important as you believe you are...you are not
"everyone," even with Greggains.
> but never show yourself.
Show myself? You mean like Bernie Ward did at work?
> what do you look like mr wonderful?
Unlike you, I'm not into self-laudatory remarks. So, suffice to say,
a woman, I know you know and like, found me appealing.
Ciccio
"I'm a Palin fan, because she irritates just the right people for me."
-- Dennis Miller
bubba
and one more thing...Yale Medical School and Penn Medical School took
the brains of 113 deceased individuals who had died supposedly from
the sequential effects and deterioration of Alzheimer's disease..they
dissected the brains and found that a solid 7% had died from the human
variant of mad-cow disease..an additional 7% were thought to be likely
the same variant..and not alzheimer's.. symptoms are the same..except
the dementia progresses more quickly with kreusfeldt-jacob(mad cow
variant)...it's pretty hard to avoid eating cow hooves since that's
how gelatin is made..cow spinal cord and brain matter are the real
problems in terms of transferring to humans...of course those
materials would never make it in to your barbecue burger..right?
Bhairitu
> (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
> 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
>
I downloaded the 9-10 AM podcast and found nothing wrong with the
report. I've been using alternative medicine since 1972 and don't regret
it for one minute. I'm used to these kinds of reports which twiddle the
minds of the pharmaceutical brainwashed droids. Some of what was
considered quackery in the 1970's has found its way into mainstream
medicine. Back then a doctor suggesting you should eat more "fruits and
vegetables" would have been laughed at by mainstream medicine. Now it's
the norm in mainstream medicine and next they need to say "vegetables
and some fruits" since some people can't handle the glycemic levels of a
lot of fruits.
I'm not planning to get the flu shot and never have had one period. I
also don't get the flu. I so distrust mainstream medicine and the
pharmaceutical companies. It's all for profit. They could care less if
you live or die as long as they are making their money.
bozo
> On Oct 4, 11:10 am, Jim Bianchi <ji...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT), gvk2 wrote:
> > > (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
> > > 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
>
> > > Did you realize that the vaccine includes formaldehyde, aluminum,
> > > squaline, cow gelatine, and a host of other frightening toxic
> > > substances.
>
> > What, no MTBE?
>
> > --
> > ji...@sonic.net
> > Linux: gawk, date, finger, wait, unzip, touch, nice, suck, strip, mount,
> > fsck, umount, make clean, sleep. (Who needs porn when you have /usr/bin?)
>
> and one more thing...Yale Medical School and Penn Medical School took
> the brains of 113 deceased individuals who had died supposedly from
> the sequential effects and deterioration of Alzheimer's disease..they
> dissected the brains and found that a solid 7% had died from the human
> variant of mad-cow disease..an additional 7% were thought to be likely
> the dementia progresses more quickly
> and it's pretty hard to avoid eating cow hooves since that's
> how gelatin is made...
Gelatin! ... as in JELL-O! ... as in Bill COSB-Y ... Oh dear! ...
things are making sense now.
Stratum101
> I'm not planning to get the flu shot and never have had one period.
You might want to have a look at _Eats, Shoots & Leaves_.
David Kaye
>I downloaded the 9-10 AM podcast and found nothing wrong with the
>report. I've been using alternative medicine since 1972 and don't regret
>it for one minute.
I have not been using alternative medicine and I look about 15 years younger
than I am, which is why I'm reluctant to give my age. I drink liquor and
coffee, balance my carbs, fats, and protein (40-30-30), and lead as
stress-free a life as I can. I have few wrinkles, and except for being
overweight and unable to run a couple blocks at full speed am otherwise
healthy.
I remember Stella, a friend of our family. She sold the Acme juicer,
Nutrliite, all kinds of vitamin supplements, seaweed, etc. She went to
chiropractors and "natural healers" for everything. She looked a mess. She
was vegan before that was the rage. Her face was pale and drawn, and she
looked like a gust of wind would fell her. She was always complaining about
not having any energy. My mom said to us, "Well, of *course* -- she's not
eating healthy. She's not getting any meat."
So, too, my ex-girlfriend, N, who couldn't walk more than a mile without
getting dizzy and having to lie down. 100% vegan.
bozo
If shoppers with white hepa-filtered masks really catch-on, like the
kind Michael Jackson was so fond of and perhaps wise to wear, perhaps
we can look forward to some disposable sanitary gloves as well
(courtesy of the supermarket of course); they don't have to be white
sequin of course, but it'd be a nice touch, and perhaps some tribute
moonwalking down the cheese-isle by grateful customers and staff as
well, I know I'd go shopping more often. How about it cheese-lovers
and deli-staff? It's about time you know.
-BdN-
Bhairitu
>
>
> I have not been using alternative medicine and I look about 15 years younger
> than I am, which is why I'm reluctant to give my age. I drink liquor and
> coffee, balance my carbs, fats, and protein (40-30-30), and lead as
> stress-free a life as I can. I have few wrinkles, and except for being
> overweight and unable to run a couple blocks at full speed am otherwise
> healthy.
Everyone tells me I look much younger than I am. Do they tell you that
or do you just think so?
And not everyone who uses alternative medicine is a vegan or vegetarian.
In fact when I had my first physical by an naturopath in 1972 he asked
if I was a vegetarian. I said I had been experimenting with it for a
couple of weeks. He said, "you're already showing signs of anemia" and
showed me how to tell. He recommended eating at least some fish or
chicken a couple times a week.
There are alternative programs which help people figure out the best
diet for them. It's not about vegetarianism. Gregganains has done
shows on these too. We're all individuals and it is about what is right
for you. And your body can change too and require a revised program.
bozo
Hey you guys, hate to burst your bubbles, but don't confuse a youthful
appearance with arrested development.
-BdN-
David Kaye
>Everyone tells me I look much younger than I am. Do they tell you that
>or do you just think so?
I nearly always shock people when I reveal my age. I get comments such as "My
DAD is your age!" Thus, I've been a bit reluctant to say, and have not done
so here or elsewhere publicly.
John Higdon
sfdavi...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
>I nearly always shock people when I reveal my age. I get comments such
as "My
>DAD is your age!" Thus, I've been a bit reluctant to say, and have not
done
>so here or elsewhere publicly.
I don't mention my age to people...mainly because they don't ask. And that's
a good thing because it is none of their business. I can't even imagine where
you hang out where people are asking your age. Even more puzzling is why
you bother to answer.
--
John Higdon
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David Kaye
>I don't mention my age to people...mainly because they don't ask. And that's
>a good thing because it is none of their business. I can't even imagine where
>you hang out where people are asking your age.
They don't usually ask, but sometimes life experiences get in the way. I try
to limit what I say to things that have happened since 1980, but sometimes I
slip.
The other day I was talking with some folks about Michael Jackson and I let
slip something about the Jackson Five. Huh? The Jackson Five? That did it.
John Higdon
sfdavi...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
> They don't usually ask, but sometimes life experiences get in the way. I try
> to limit what I say to things that have happened since 1980, but sometimes I
> slip.
>
> The other day I was talking with some folks about Michael Jackson and I let
> slip something about the Jackson Five. Huh? The Jackson Five? That did it.
I've never used a knowledge of history to open doors of opportunity to
reveal my age!
--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
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leansto...@democrat.com
Dr. Dean is a linear thinker. If you can't get from point A to point B
with every step of the way documented, he will shoot you down. I think
I will take Dr. Dean Edel's opinion over some random MD. Opthamology
is a specialty, but it doesn't mean you don't understand other nuances
about medicine.
Regarding the Gulf War, the vets had to be immunized for much more
than we face in the states. I would say the situations is Apples and
PCs, or apples and oranges if you prefer.
Joanie used to speak about using a trampoline to rid the body of some
disease (the "rebounder.") Clearly she drinks the kool aid and
probably handles snakes.
http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise/rebounding-for-detoxification-and-health.htm
leansto...@democrat.com
I was able to get a photo of the Dynamic Aviation spraying plane
parked at Moffet Field. It is a rather evil looking bugger.
Jim Bianchi
> On Oct 4, 11:10�am, Jim Bianchi <ji...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT), gvk2 wrote:
>> > (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
>> > 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
>>
>> > Did you realize that the vaccine includes formaldehyde, �aluminum,
>> > squaline, �cow gelatine, and a host of other frightening �toxic
>> > substances.
>>
>> � � � � What, no MTBE?
>
> don't like intentionally injecting a carcinogen into our veins(forma)
I'd like to know how you arrived at that response to a quip.
> or injecting a substance found in the body naturally.into the
> bloodstream where it is not supposed to be naturally..and triggering
> an immune response which could lead to lupus or rheumatoid
> arthritis....let those of us with a family history of RA be made aware
> of the risk/benefit analysis..that's all..make up your own mind..my
> decision may be different than yours..the recipients of the injection
> should also be aware of the rate of paralysis linked to injectable
> vaccines..especially if they have neurological impairments
> already..and should be told in bold print that if they are
> harmed...THEY HAVE NO REMEDY....WHATSOEVER.( GOVERNMENTS ARE RUSHING
> TO INDEMNIFY PHARMA)..PHARMA WOULD NOT HAVE PROVIDED VACCINES WITHOUT
> THEIR OWN IMMUNITY .. thus they care little about yours.
Whoa, I did not mean to offend thee, effendi. That MTBE quip I made
occurred to me and I tho't I'd share it. Your points about pharma cos being
indemnified and all those ingredients are well taken (though I suspect many
of the ingredient complaints are not really all that valid for enough people
to justify pooh-poohing vaccinations as much as you seem to be doing).
What Really Relates seems to be your emphasis on people making the
risk/benifit analysis -- which is good advice indeed and should be taken (by
everyone including talk show hosts).
Don Freeman
> she doesn't claim to be a physician...get a clue..her guest was a
> neurologist....attack him if you are so sure there is little risk
> from injected vaccines.
Doesn't the host have a responsibility to do some independent research
on the claims of a prospective guest so as not to give the listeners
false information? By not doing so the host appears to give credence to
such claims. At the very least losing credibility as a reliable source,
but could also lead to listeners making dangerous decisions based on bad
information.
--
-Don
www.cosmoslair.com
Ciccio
> bubba wrote:
> > she doesn't claim to be a physician...get a clue..her guest was a
> > neurologist....attack him if you are so sure there is little risk
> > from injected vaccines.
>
> Doesn't the host have a responsibility to do some independent research
> on the claims of a prospective guest so as not to give the listeners
> false information? By not doing so the host appears to give credence to
> such claims.
I think it depends on how the hosts hold themselves out to be experts.
If somebody would reasonably rely upon their expertise, then I'd say
yes. Otherwise, the host's opinions/endorsements shouldn't be
reasonably relied upon more than anybody else's.
> At the very least losing credibility as a reliable source, but could also
> lead to listeners making dangerous decisions based on bad information.
Of course. That's why many refer to Greggains as a nut job. Though,
she does have credibility as to how to stay doable for guys with
granny issues.
Jim Bianchi
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:45:19 -0700 (PDT), bubba wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 11:10�am, Jim Bianchi <ji...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT), gvk2 wrote:
>>> > (Dr) Joanie Greggains chose to inform the KGO audience (during the
>>> > 10:00 am hour) on the issue of the coming H1N1 flu vaccine.
>>>
>>> > Did you realize that the vaccine includes formaldehyde, �aluminum,
>>> > squaline, �cow gelatine, and a host of other frightening �toxic
>>> > substances.
>>>
>>> � � � � What, no MTBE?
>>
>> you mean you'd just rather not know..that's okay..but for those who
>> don't like intentionally injecting a carcinogen into our veins(forma)
>
> I'd like to know how you arrived at that response to a quip.
>
>> or injecting a substance found in the body naturally.into the
>> bloodstream where it is not supposed to be naturally..and triggering
>> an immune response which could lead to lupus or rheumatoid
>> arthritis....let those of us with a family history of RA be made aware
>> of the risk/benefit analysis..
As I learned today, of the autoimmune diseases, RA (rheumatoid
arthritis) is about the oldest known. We're talking like it being known to
the ancient Egyptians 6000+ years ago. Now given that the first vaccine was
developed fairly recently (within the last 150 years), precisely how do you
'splain all those millianna of RA? How does your pet MD 'splain it?
Actually, as someone in this ng has pointed out, talk radio is only
entertainment. Which tells me anything said on such a show should be given
the same amount of credulity one'd give to a bit of junk mail (in spite of
yours and Joanie Greggins' speaking out against the aerial spraying). Far
too many people, audiences as well as talk show hosts, take what they say
and espouse much too seriously.
bozo
a fantasy of mine called Leslie Sbrocco. Now I know she's a little out
of my league what with her ball-busting seductive grin and appetite
for cocktail weenies, Cheez-whiz and Thunderbird, but I'd still like
to think I could keep laughing long enough, she'd never know what
seduced her.
-Bozo de "http://www.bumwine.com" Niro-
bubba
so a non-practicing talk show doctor is entertainment? only?
bubba
and so it's your view that if someone is injured by the flu vaccine
either inhalable or injectable..they should sue the broadcast media
which encouraged them to get the vaccine?
bubba
Joannie greggains is more fit in her toe than you likely have been in
your entire body in your entire lifetime.
John Higdon
<820fa8d8-bb31-42f7...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
bubba <craf...@aol.com> wrote:
> so a non-practicing talk show doctor is entertainment? only?
With all due respect to Dr. Dean, my GP, cardiologist, and
ophthalmologist actually are the ones I turn to for diagnosis and
treatment. However, I do have to say that I have more than once given
one or another of them a call as a result of something I have heard on
Dr. Dean's show.
bubba
> In article
> <820fa8d8-bb31-42f7-9dd7-9afa2f389...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> bubba <craft...@aol.com> wrote:
> > so a non-practicing talk show doctor is entertainment? only?
>
> With all due respect to Dr. Dean, my GP, cardiologist, and
> ophthalmologist actually are the ones I turn to for diagnosis and
> treatment. However, I do have to say that I have more than once given
> one or another of them a call as a result of something I have heard on
> Dr. Dean's show.
>
> --
> John Higdon
> +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
> AT&T-Free At Last
you mean about reversing circumsision? with weights attached to
stretch the remnants of the foreskin?
Stratum101
>
I have a generally low opinion of KGO and up to now
had a very low opinion of most of its hosts *excluding*
up to now you, Owens and Rothmann. I still hold
a high opinion of two hosts.
Most of KGO's advertising is bullshit and
patently offensive to my intelligence. It is
presented with such intensity that it is
impossible to tune it out mentally. I
never had as much trouble with KGIL, the San
Fernando Valley station whose "only"
auto dealer advertiser seemed to say
"ON Reseda IN Reseda" every three minutes.
(I could even tolerate Keri Tombazian's Valley
Girl accent, even if she wasn't really
a Val.) But with KGO, I just plain
reached listener's exhaustion, long
ago.
Greggains is full of bullshit. More
people die from flu, all varieties, than
suffer complications from inoculation
against it. Some strains of flu
have had horrific mortality. In
the 1918-1919 epidemic, about
5% of those who contracted the disease
died. More U.S. soldiers died
from it than had died in combat
during the USA's 19-month
involvement in the 1914-1918
war. The argument against
vaccination requires innumeracy
of the kind possessed by
anti-evolutionists.
If Greggains wants to abstain, that's
her affair. (Wicked thought: maybe she
could recruit Copeland!) But the
first step in stemming contagion
of a potentially fatal disease is
reducing the number of people
who catch it. Then the foolish
minority who, based only on AM
radio alarmism, didn't protect themselves
against it are exposed to a lower
risk of contracting it in the first place.
To borrow another American demagogue's
phrase, I don't see a dime's worth of
difference between Greggains and Limbaugh
or between her and Ann Coulter.
bubba
so presumably you rushed out and got your flumist...right? wrong..you
are waking for the injectable vaccine...why?
bubba
what is she wrong about..? that each individual should make their own
risk/benefit analysis..that one size doesn't fit all...that this
vaccine was a rush job, that if you have asthma,are pregnant, have
allergies to egg, or RA or lupus or are not in the group most likely
to not have antibodies..you need to be aware of the risks of vaccine
as delivered vs. risk of contracting a fatal form of this flu...are
you aware that they have never successfully targeted the actual
seasonal flu which has occurred..but you still have faith? if everyone
in the world was vaccinated for high-knee..there would still be those
who were vaccinated who died......from the flu.
Stratum101
My *doctor* and other doctors before him have advised me
emphatically to get flu shots. If I had an egg allergy, I would
certainly consult with him.
I'm in a low risk category for becoming pregnant.
bubba
SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS..now reporting..no one 50 or over should take
flumist...as well as a series of other risk groups..who face harm from
vaccine...
Ciccio
> SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS..now reporting..no one 50 or over should take
> flumist...as well as a series of other risk groups..who face harm from
> vaccine...
OLD NEWS [yawn]...The NIH has been saying that for quite awhile. Not
to mention the FDA when it approved flumist stated such...SIX YEARS
AGO!!!...Try to keep up.
Stratum101
> SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS..now reporting..no one 50 or over should take
> flumist...as well as a series of other risk groups..who face harm from
> vaccine...-
I am so happy. I was inoculated. You are safe
in bed with me, but be aware I sometimes take
Rothmann to bed too. I shut both of you
up after 59 minutes by which time I'm
making ZZZZs.
You or he must've said something about
barbecued armadillo because the
thought has been on my mind for
several days and I just don't know
where I got the idea.
--
So, Peninsulans, if Anita Eshoo calls,
what should you tell her?
"Gesundheit."
Then ask her if she got her
flu shot.
John Higdon
<4fd39a15-f490-490d...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Ciccio <franc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> OLD NEWS [yawn]...The NIH has been saying that for quite awhile. Not
> to mention the FDA when it approved flumist stated such...SIX YEARS
> AGO!!!...Try to keep up.
Indeed. I've never even considered the flumist. I thought all of this
was about the vaccine in general. If it is just about the flumist, it
really IS a non-topic...at least it's a pretty stale topic.
Stratum101
> So, Peninsulans, if Anita Eshoo calls,
> what should you tell her?
>
> "Gesundheit."
>
> Then ask her if she got her
> flu shot.
Er, Anna.
I meant no disrespect to
the Congresswoman and
if she wants to be in bed
with me, she should get her
own gig on KGO, 10-1 Pacific.
bubba
>
> Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > OLD NEWS [yawn]...The NIH has been saying that for quite awhile. Not
> > to mention the FDA when it approved flumist stated such...SIX YEARS
> > AGO!!!...Try to keep up.
>
> Indeed. I've never even considered the flumist. I thought all of this
> was about the vaccine in general. If it is just about the flumist, it
> really IS a non-topic...at least it's a pretty stale topic.
>
> --
> John Higdon
> +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
> AT&T-Free At Last
but John ..if someone over fifty on the radio tells you that they are
going right out to get their vaccine...there is only available...at
this point in time...the inhalable..so if they say they've gotten
their vaccine..they are full of shit
John Higdon
<2f6f735e-2f38-4d4f...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
bubba <craf...@aol.com> wrote:
> but John ..if someone over fifty on the radio tells you that they are
> going right out to get their vaccine...there is only available...at
> this point in time...the inhalable..so if they say they've gotten
> their vaccine..they are full of shit
If you say so. My doctor's office said they'd call me when the shot was
available.
It all seems like a tempest in a teapot. As far as I can tell, the media
has been quite clear about the difference between flumist and shots, and
repeatedly rattles off the list of people for whom the mist is not
recommended. Other than provide fodder for the talk show circuit, what
else can they do?
bubba
is that because you have a cardiologist and people over fifty with
heart issues..should not get flumist??
John Higdon
<7bd66636-9918-48b8...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
bubba <craf...@aol.com> wrote:
> is that because you have a cardiologist and people over fifty with
> heart issues..should not get flumist??
I was personally advised to wait for the shot. Watching out for my own
health is a big enough job as it is and precludes getting involved with
the recommendations for others. I would suggest to them that they do
what I do: ask their doctor.
Don Freeman
and so it's your view that extra-terrestrials have taken over the media
and are responsible for introducing alien spore into the flu vaccinations?
--
-Don
www.cosmoslair.com
John Higdon
Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
> and so it's your view that extra-terrestrials have taken over the media
> and are responsible for introducing alien spore into the flu vaccinations?
I can verify the part about the aliens.
bubba
follow the money..very terrestrial..really.
bubba
hey don...check out the cats and kittens that were used in making of
flumist....that oughta get your kitty.
Don Freeman
>
> hey don...check out the cats and kittens that were used in making of
> flumist....that oughta get your kitty.
I have mixed feelings about animal testing. Not when it comes to
cosmetics testing of course, that is just so wrong in so many ways.
But in the case of the trade off of animal lives for human lives for the
development of medicines that will save those human lives.
At first glance it would seem justifiable, but thinking further I wonder
what gives us the right to assume that our (human) lives are more
important then animal lives in that it justifies their sacrifice? Is it
just because we are the top predator and "might makes right"? The
pacifist in me disagrees whole-heartedly. Because we are deemed special
by one deity or the other? The atheist in me says absolutely not.
Yet were that medicine needed to save the life of one of my children or
my wife I wouldn't pause for a second in agreeing with its use.
--
-Don
John Higdon
Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
> At first glance it would seem justifiable, but thinking further I wonder
> what gives us the right to assume that our (human) lives are more
> important then animal lives in that it justifies their sacrifice? Is it
> just because we are the top predator and "might makes right"? The
> pacifist in me disagrees whole-heartedly. Because we are deemed special
> by one deity or the other? The atheist in me says absolutely not.
I would say that we are the only species on the planet that even worries
about that sort of thing. I would speculate that the top of the animal
world food chain does not bother to justify it's actions or feel guilt
as it preys on its next meal.
I long ago realized that in the world, might makes right. All the rest
is armchair mind games. (We're the only species with armchairs.)
> Yet were that medicine needed to save the life of one of my children or
> my wife I wouldn't pause for a second in agreeing with its use.
I guess the human mind has the CPU cycles to waste! :-)
David Kaye
>But in the case of the trade off of animal lives for human lives for the
>development of medicines that will save those human lives.
At one point I did temp work at Oregon Health Sciences University, the Oregon
equivalent of UCSF, a highly regarded research university. Among the
discoveries they made was the relation of chickpeas to lathyrism, a serious
neurological disorder in countries where chickpeas are a diet staple.
Anyhow, I remember the hoops researchers had to jump through to get ANY kind
of animal for testing. For the most part they tested on rats due to their
similar genetics. At the time (it's probably more intense now), the
researcher had to justify the use of each rat, indicating exactly which tests
would be done on the rat, why it was necessary to do the tests, why prior
tests weren't adequate in determining outcomes, how the rat will be handled
after the tests, etc. In addition, the researcher had to have the
application signed off by the department chair. All this for one rat or one
rabbit or whatever.
So, it's not as simple as a bunch of animals being used willy-nilly with no
regard to their welfare.
And, no, there is no way to use "computer modeling" to do the research. When
you're dealing with living beings you have to test on living beings.
--
"You're in probably the wickedest, most corrupt city, most
Godless city in America." -- Fr Mullen, "San Francisco"
bubba
didn't know beforehand..it would eat away at the eye..no pain meds for
the bunny..real concern for the welfare..indeedy.
bubba
and if they have to do the research..using your cats..who will feel
agonizing pain..that's okay with you?
Don Freeman
Of course not. Just as reading about someone, unknown to me, dying on
the other side of the world concerns me much less then if it were
someone I am close to.
I get the feeling that you are not here to actually participate in
discussion but merely to stir things up. Are you developing a new media
personae in the image of Rush, Beck, et.al? In case you haven't
noticed, it has already been done. How about trying to come up with
something original?
--
-Don
www.cosmoslair.com
David Kaye
(something)
I have no idea what you wrote because I'm not about to scroll a full screen to
read it. You quoted my ENTIRE post after being admonished many times not to
do so. If you want a reply from me, then please follow netiquette and quote
only a small relevant part.
bubba
gee don i gave rush his first job in television..he was lots of fun to
be around in those days..but I gotta tell you ..he wore enough perfume
to kill a lab rat..and never expressed any interests whatsoever in
animal welfare..I did see a photo of rush recently in a tab....and i
spied a kitty dish and cat painting on the wall in back of him..that's
a good thing..it'll help keep his blood pressure down....
Stratum101
> gee don i gave rush his first job in television..he was lots of fun to
Yeah, yeah.
For anyone...
Several years ago, Bernie Ward had a horrendous case of
flu that several of the hosts got, and he probably contributed
to the office contagion by trying to work while he was sick.
Did his wife the physician not advise him to get a flu
shot? Did he just put it off until it was too late, or did he
say anything about having an egg allergy?
It is hard to imagine Bernie Ward being allergic to any
kind of consumable.
bubba
because it didn't correctly target the flu that ran it's course.
John Higdon
<ae48eb03-e48d-4c38...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
bubba <craf...@aol.com> wrote:
> and if they have to do the research..using your cats..who will feel
> agonizing pain..that's okay with you?
Being my cats, they have protection from such things.
Stratum101
>
That could be, but I distinctly remember not getting the
seasonal flu that was going around that year after I'd been
vaccinated. That's only anecdotal, but before flu shots,
I'd been laid low for a week annually, and had been
advised by two doctors that it was foolish to get
so sick when it was easily prevented.
SidewaysLogic
> stratum..the flu shot wouldn't have helped bernie or anyone else
> because it didn't correctly target the flu that ran it's course.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Try to read and comprehend this entire article linked below. It's
useless to argue with you, but I am afraid some people might actually
believe you.
http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/PROFESSIONALS/VACCINATION/effectivenessqa.htm
bubba
you are afraid some people might not think the flu shots each year
actually correctly targeted the specific breed of flu that actually
cropped up?.. they'd be right..and of course the CDC NEVER FAILS to
tell people the truth..the cdc is always accurate and their disclosure
is always robust.and you are telling me what I need to read?
bubba
you didn't even read your own linked article..see under
graph...OVERALL in years where vaccine matches virus...it's pretty
effective by golly.........which years? ever?