Hilarious KGO Ownership Change Announcement

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David Kaye

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Mar 10, 2006, 7:51:23 PM3/10/06
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I'm wondering why this announcement is being run. I can't recall any
time that a station was required to do an announcement of ownership
change. Further, I don't think I've ever heard a listing of all the
owners, rather than simply their holding entity. What a bizarre
announcement. It sounded like Michael Amatori couldn't get though the
whole thing in one take, either.

Anybody have the details on why this thing is required?

John T

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Mar 10, 2006, 8:21:39 PM3/10/06
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I don't know about the "why" but we did have to do it when we were
selling Ch. 64 to Telefutura.

I think the idea is that there is a certain period where the public has
(probably futile) input into the process and an opportunity to file a
petition to deny.

John T.

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John Higdon

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Mar 10, 2006, 8:59:53 PM3/10/06
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In article <1142038283.4...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering why this announcement is being run. I can't recall any
> time that a station was required to do an announcement of ownership
> change. Further, I don't think I've ever heard a listing of all the
> owners, rather than simply their holding entity. What a bizarre
> announcement. It sounded like Michael Amatori couldn't get though the
> whole thing in one take, either.

First, it IS required. As a matter of fact when so much as 50% of a
governing board of a corporation that holds a license changes, these
announcements must be run. I voiced the one KKUP ran last year.

Second, with digital editing, there is no such thing as a "take". Mike
reads the thing through in one pass. If he stumbles, he just picks up
and goes on. Then, it is cleaned up in editing, and usually the pauses
are taken out.

> Anybody have the details on why this thing is required?

It's in Part 73; the section that pertains to all classes of stations.

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John Higdon | Email Address Valid
+1 408 266 4400 | Sana Zay, CA

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Mike Ward

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Mar 10, 2006, 10:17:09 PM3/10/06
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:54:18 -0600, Mark Roberts
<mark...@myrealbox.com> wrote:

>John T <mail@NO_kftl_SPAM.com> had written:


>|
>| I don't know about the "why" but we did have to do it when we were
>| selling Ch. 64 to Telefutura.
>|
>| I think the idea is that there is a certain period where the public has
>| (probably futile) input into the process and an opportunity to file a
>| petition to deny.
>

>There are also the newspaper ads that have to be purchased. Even
>though I wasn't living in the Bay Area at the time, I have the legal
>notice for the sale of KRTY which appeared in the Merc during a week that
>I spent in San Jose in 1993. I found it in some boxes a few weeks ago.

This has nothing to do with you, but I'm still not getting John T.'s
posts to ba.broadcast (unless quoted as above), and I have no idea
why.

I'm pretty sure there's no kill filter with his name on it, and I know
at least one other Supernews user had mentioned having difficulty
getting his messages.

Now, why can't my news server automatically filter messages from
people I DON'T want to see? You know the list...

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 12:29:03 AM3/11/06
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In article <Be2dnZgMJ8x...@comcast.com>,
Mark Roberts <mark...@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> John T <mail@NO_kftl_SPAM.com> had written:
> |

> | I don't know about the "why" but we did have to do it when we were
> | selling Ch. 64 to Telefutura.
> |
> | I think the idea is that there is a certain period where the public has
> | (probably futile) input into the process and an opportunity to file a
> | petition to deny.
>

> There are also the newspaper ads that have to be purchased. Even
> though I wasn't living in the Bay Area at the time, I have the legal
> notice for the sale of KRTY which appeared in the Merc during a week that
> I spent in San Jose in 1993. I found it in some boxes a few weeks ago.

The KGO transfer notice appeared in today's Chronicle.

One thing to remember: That notice must be delivered word perfect. The
other thing is that it is not a sale...it's a merger. There's a big
difference. But the notice is required when more than 50% of the
licensee changes.

Named are all board members of entities involved in the merger plus any
stockholders who own more than ten percent.

Again...this is all in CFR Vol. 47 Part 73.

David Kaye

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Mar 11, 2006, 6:13:05 AM3/11/06
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John Higdon wrote:

> First, it IS required. As a matter of fact when so much as 50% of a
> governing board of a corporation that holds a license changes, these
> announcements must be run. I voiced the one KKUP ran last year.

Gosh, I've been listening to radio and watching TV since age 8, and I'd
never heard any announcements about ownership or board changes (as in
KKUP). Stations have been bought and sold all along, but I just can't
remember ever hearing one of these. And I never worked at a station
during a sale, so I've never had to read one.

Interesting thing about KKUP. The owner of record is still the same,
and the FCC record talks about "old board" and "new board". Was
Assurance's board change a complete top-to-bottom change, or just a few
members? If it's just a minor change, I'm surprised that stations like
KQED, KALW, KCSM, and especially KPFA don't have to run these, given
that their boards change often. Heck, I spent time at both KALW and
KCSM during changes in board make-up, but I don't remember any
ownership statements being read.

> Second, with digital editing, there is no such thing as a "take". Mike
> reads the thing through in one pass. If he stumbles, he just picks up
> and goes on. Then, it is cleaned up in editing, and usually the pauses
> are taken out.

Well, yes. But to my ear the edits are clearly apparent, unlike most
of the stuff he does. I mean, I'm not faulting him for that,
especially given all the names he had to read.

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 11:46:27 AM3/11/06
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In article <1142075585....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Interesting thing about KKUP. The owner of record is still the same,
> and the FCC record talks about "old board" and "new board". Was
> Assurance's board change a complete top-to-bottom change, or just a few
> members?

50% change triggers the filing.

> If it's just a minor change, I'm surprised that stations like
> KQED, KALW, KCSM, and especially KPFA don't have to run these, given
> that their boards change often. Heck, I spent time at both KALW and
> KCSM during changes in board make-up, but I don't remember any
> ownership statements being read.

Well, if there's a 50% change on the board, they file the form and make
the announcements. Otherwise, they're in violation of the rules. Simple
as that.

> Well, yes. But to my ear the edits are clearly apparent, unlike most
> of the stuff he does. I mean, I'm not faulting him for that,
> especially given all the names he had to read.

And it all has to be presented word-perfect.

redleg

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Mar 11, 2006, 12:22:44 PM3/11/06
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Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it at
2:30am?
I was stuck in traffic, and I was listening to that whole speech. I
was thinking..."this is different..."

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 12:58:02 PM3/11/06
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In article <1142097764....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it at
> 2:30am?

Three guesses!

redleg

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Mar 11, 2006, 3:01:36 PM3/11/06
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John Higdon wrote:
> In article <1142097764....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it at
> > 2:30am?
>
> Three guesses!
>

Citadel said so?

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 3:08:08 PM3/11/06
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In article <1142107296.3...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

Next.

redleg

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Mar 11, 2006, 4:17:07 PM3/11/06
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John Higdon wrote:
> In article <1142107296.3...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > John Higdon wrote:
> > > In article <1142097764....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it at
> > > > 2:30am?
> > >
> > > Three guesses!
> > >
> >
> > Citadel said so?
>
> Next.

Peak listening time?

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 5:20:08 PM3/11/06
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In article <1142111827.0...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

> John Higdon wrote:
> > In article <1142107296.3...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> > "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > John Higdon wrote:
> > > > In article <1142097764....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it
> > > > > at
> > > > > 2:30am?
> > > >
> > > > Three guesses!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Citadel said so?
> >
> > Next.
>
> Peak listening time?

Next.

redleg

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Mar 11, 2006, 5:28:51 PM3/11/06
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John Higdon wrote:
> In article <1142111827.0...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > John Higdon wrote:
> > > In article <1142107296.3...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > John Higdon wrote:
> > > > > In article <1142097764....@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why did they have to read it at 4:50pm on a Friday? Why not read it
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > 2:30am?
> > > > >
> > > > > Three guesses!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Citadel said so?
> > >
> > > Next.
> >
> > Peak listening time?
>
> Next.

No sleep train ads?

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 5:37:08 PM3/11/06
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In article <1142116131.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > > > > > Three guesses!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Citadel said so?
> > > >
> > > > Next.
> > >
> > > Peak listening time?
> >
> > Next.
>
> No sleep train ads?

Rules say announcements must be aired 7AM - 6PM M-F.

Thanks for playing!

redleg

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Mar 11, 2006, 5:59:27 PM3/11/06
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John Higdon wrote:
> In article <1142116131.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Three guesses!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Citadel said so?
> > > > >
> > > > > Next.
> > > >
> > > > Peak listening time?
> > >
> > > Next.
> >
> > No sleep train ads?
>
> Rules say announcements must be aired 7AM - 6PM M-F.
>
> Thanks for playing!

But why at 450pm? Why not read it after Paul Harvey? No one listens
to Paul Harvey anymore. I'm sorry KGO Radio, I change channels when
that Paul Harvey comes on.

John Higdon

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Mar 11, 2006, 8:08:49 PM3/11/06
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In article <1142117967.3...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

Oh, when is that?

Pop quiz:

How much time is there between Paul Harvey and the next event?

Oh, that's right; you don't listen to Paul Harvey. Then, of course, you
don't know what you're talking about.

But that's obvious.

Charles Newman

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Mar 12, 2006, 6:18:57 AM3/12/06
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"Mike Ward" <mw...@iname.remove-this-part.com> wrote in message
news:f6g412lfnb0ob1vgu...@4ax.com...

Well, first thing you need to do is put another
server, between you and your news server and
then run NewsProxy on it. News proxy can filter
out posts based on criteria you set. NewsProxy
monitors articles as they are downloaded, and
obliterates articles based on criteria you set.
Its an older program, so it will run even on the
most minimal of Windows machines. NewsProxy
acts as a filtering proxy for Usenet, and can filter
anything anything you dont want on your machines.


John Higdon

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Mar 12, 2006, 9:49:14 AM3/12/06
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In article <X6mdnXjjM6M...@comcast.com>,
"Charles Newman" <charles...@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:

> Well, first thing you need to do is put another
> server, between you and your news server and
> then run NewsProxy on it. News proxy can filter
> out posts based on criteria you set. NewsProxy
> monitors articles as they are downloaded, and
> obliterates articles based on criteria you set.

Any decent newsreader can do that. It is commonly known as a "killfile".

redleg

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Mar 12, 2006, 10:41:36 AM3/12/06
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I wonder how much damage I can do with this info in your siggy......I
tracked a guy in Petaluma all the way to his front door. Its amazing
what you can do with a badge.

John Higdon

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Mar 12, 2006, 11:16:02 AM3/12/06
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In article <1142178096.6...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"redleg" <redl...@comcast.net> wrote:

Oooohh! Roar! Tough.

Nothing there that isn't in the San Jose/Santa Clara telephone directory.

Do you even know what a telephone directory is?

I'm not afraid to post under my real name like you are.

Jerk!

Eric C. Weaver

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Mar 12, 2006, 1:59:02 PM3/12/06
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David Kaye wrote:
> John Higdon wrote:
>
>> First, it IS required. As a matter of fact when so much as 50% of a
>> governing board of a corporation that holds a license changes, these
>> announcements must be run. I voiced the one KKUP ran last year.
>
> Gosh, I've been listening to radio and watching TV since age 8, and I'd
> never heard any announcements about ownership or board changes (as in
> KKUP).

I remember hearing the ABC / Cap Cities one on KABC, mentioning what
seemed like a gazillion names, while driving along York Blvd. in LA. I
was nearly transfixed by the weirdness of it.


--
He worked in local radio, which he always used to tell his friends
was a lot more interesting than they probably thought. -- D. Adams

Charles Newman

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Mar 12, 2006, 2:22:08 PM3/12/06
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"John Higdon" <engin...@kome.com> wrote in message
news:engineering-004C...@equine.announcetech.com...

> In article <X6mdnXjjM6M...@comcast.com>,
> "Charles Newman" <charles...@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:
>
> > Well, first thing you need to do is put another
> > server, between you and your news server and
> > then run NewsProxy on it. News proxy can filter
> > out posts based on criteria you set. NewsProxy
> > monitors articles as they are downloaded, and
> > obliterates articles based on criteria you set.
>
> Any decent newsreader can do that. It is commonly known as a "killfile".

However, this is a network-level killfile, that will
filter every machine on your network. Articles
are filtered and deleted at the network level,
before it reaches your client machines. The
newsreaders on your machines would be
configured to go to the proxy to get news
articles, instead of the server itself.
The killfile is server-side, instead of client side.

If your ae providing any kind of Usenet for your
employees you NEED this program. You can
filter out anything from Usenet that would be
inrppropriate in a work setting. NewsProxy will
even run on a Windows 95 machine. All you need
is a machine running Windows 95 or later, with
a minimum of 32 megs of RAM, and you are
good to go for running NewsProxy.

NewsProxy is the only server-side killfile in
existence.


Phil Kane

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Mar 12, 2006, 2:19:42 PM3/12/06
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On 12 Mar 2006 07:41:36 -0800, redleg wrote:

>I wonder how much damage I can do with this info in your siggy......I
>tracked a guy in Petaluma all the way to his front door. Its amazing
>what you can do with a badge.

Yeah - you can get sacked or jailed for stalking when you get
caught. I worked Internal Affairs for a while......

--
Phil Kane


John Higdon

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Mar 12, 2006, 3:27:24 PM3/12/06
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In article <5eGdnXK5fdt...@comcast.com>,
"Charles Newman" <charles...@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:

> However, this is a network-level killfile, that will
> filter every machine on your network. Articles
> are filtered and deleted at the network level,
> before it reaches your client machines. The
> newsreaders on your machines would be
> configured to go to the proxy to get news
> articles, instead of the server itself.
> The killfile is server-side, instead of client side.

Why would you want to do that when you can program your server to
dispose anything you want?

> If your ae providing any kind of Usenet for your
> employees you NEED this program.

Not if you know how to configure your NNTP server.

No Windows required.

> NewsProxy is the only server-side killfile in
> existence.

Except for the news servers themselves.

Chuckie: Making Live More Complicated Than It Ever Has To Be.

Tom Groom

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Mar 12, 2006, 4:30:50 PM3/12/06
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In article <5eGdnXK5fdt...@comcast.com>,
"Charles Newman" <charles...@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:

> However, this is a network-level killfile <snip>


>
> NewsProxy is the only server-side killfile in
> existence.

It is like going from SF to Sausalito via Stockton, totally useless.
-tg

Mike Ward

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Mar 12, 2006, 5:17:24 PM3/12/06
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:49:14 -0800, John Higdon <engin...@kome.com>
wrote:

>In article <X6mdnXjjM6M...@comcast.com>,
> "Charles Newman" <charles...@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, first thing you need to do is put another
>> server, between you and your news server and
>> then run NewsProxy on it. News proxy can filter
>> out posts based on criteria you set. NewsProxy
>> monitors articles as they are downloaded, and
>> obliterates articles based on criteria you set.
>
>Any decent newsreader can do that. It is commonly known as a "killfile".

Oh, while we're on the subject...I dumped all my killfiles, and none
of them were trapping John T. It's gotta be in the server (Supernews)
somewhere. I might drop 'em a note about it.

I was musing why a filter I apparently don't know about is keeping out
messages I want to read, and I wished it would be automatic for those
I don't want to read...and Chuckie showed up as if on cue.

David Kaye

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Mar 13, 2006, 5:09:42 AM3/13/06
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Mike Ward wrote:

> Oh, while we're on the subject...I dumped all my killfiles, and none
> of them were trapping John T. It's gotta be in the server (Supernews)
> somewhere. I might drop 'em a note about it.

Usenet can have alternate universes. This is especially true in the
more international newsgroups, where traffic sometimes just doesn't
make it across the net, and people are engaging in different
conversations side by side. I see this occasionally here on the Google
Groups interface, where people are responding to questions/comments I
don't see.

Same is true of EFnet IRC, where different servers can present
different versions of the exact same chat channel.

leansto...@democrat.com

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Mar 13, 2006, 12:01:25 PM3/13/06
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If you top post with google, the original message appears. If you use
the default method of reply, the original message appears only for
google users.

I could see some commercial outfits wishing to filter usenet at the
server rather than at the individual user level. For instance,
Microsoft has usenet forums for some of their products, so employees
would need usenet access. However, you wouldn't want them downloading
binaries from alt.binaries.erotica.bondage.bushtwins or whatever.

Hawkeye Joe

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Mar 14, 2006, 1:14:52 AM3/14/06
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Perhaps you should learn a lesson from this clown, "redleg".

www.tch.org/~ser/ras


redleg wrote:

>
> I wonder how much damage I can do with this info in your siggy......I
> tracked a guy in Petaluma all the way to his front door. Its amazing
> what you can do with a badge.

What's amazingly awful is being locked up with some really mean
bad-asses who are there for assault, parole violations, etc.,
especially when they find out that YOU are there for some dumb-ass
juvenile prank. Most of them have little patience, and can be quite
aggressive & downright unpleasant. Those peanut butter sandwiches &
horse-dick bologna sandwiches really suck, too. ;)


Can't hide behind anonymous re-posters there, Bunky.

Oh, and The Law *really* doesn't like "wanna-be cops", nor
impersonators, so the lock-up screws just might not hear your screams
when the lights go out.

Are you a "peace officer"?? Now *that* would be funny!

*click*

Hawkeye Joe

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Mar 14, 2006, 1:17:41 AM3/14/06
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Kinda reminds me of those Publisher's Circulation statements that
magazines used to have to list yearly.


John Higdon wrote:

> The KGO transfer notice appeared in today's Chronicle.
>One thing to remember: That notice must be delivered word perfect. The
> other thing is that it is not a sale...it's a merger. There's a big
> difference. But the notice is required when more than 50% of the
> licensee changes.
Named are all board members of entities involved in the merger plus
any
stockholders who own more than ten percent.
Again...this is all in CFR Vol. 47 Part 73.

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