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David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 1:20:01 PM1/4/01
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Ronnnn Owens and his arm wrestling lawsuit, and the state of KNTV are
covered in today's Chron, for anybody interested.

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our girlfriends." -- Orson Wells

Mark Roberts

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Jan 4, 2001, 3:31:53 PM1/4/01
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> had written:

| Ronnnn Owens and his arm wrestling lawsuit, and the state of KNTV are
| covered in today's Chron, for anybody interested.

And Carman missed what should have been the lede of the century:

"In the Bay Area, 2002 will be the year when Must-See TV
becomes Can't-See TV."

KNTV's signal can't cover the Bay Area, no matter how many artistic
coverage maps it can come up with. For instance, at our house, KCRA
comes in much better than KNTV.

I'm sure those GEniuses at NBC will explain away the coverage
deficiencies of KNTV somehow on their holy P&Ls.

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David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 4:14:36 PM1/4/01
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Mark Roberts wrote the quoted material below:

" I'm sure those GEniuses at NBC will explain away the coverage
" deficiencies of KNTV somehow on their holy P&Ls.

Doesn't matter. They won. Granite can't pay NBC's huge affiliation fees
and they've pledge the station back to NBC at below-market rate on a
first-option basis. Thus, NBC, with hardly any trying, will get a TV
station in the #4 market.

As for coverage, who cares? 3/4 of the market is wired, and the unwired
1/4 of the market such as Higdon and myself, aren't considered desirable
audiences for NBC anyway.

There is *nothing* I watch on NBC except an occasional Tonight Show or
Conan O'Brien, both of which I can do without. I tuned in the Tonight
Show last night and it was absolutely terrible. I switched back to the
Deutche Welle programming on channel 32 and learned all about the Greek
adoption of the euro as its new currency.

Now, what network would want to reach someone like me?


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Peter

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Jan 4, 2001, 7:07:25 PM1/4/01
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>>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/
04/MNC151284.DTL
>>

All the usual claims are in the lawsuit, including: "'loss of consortium,'
which includes loss of physical comfort and help maintaining their home".

I was in a fender-bender in which the provable damages to the other party was
$15, yet I was sued for $1.5 million, which coincidentally exceeded the amount
of my homeowner's "umbrella" policy.

I presume Ronn will also be sued for an amount which exceeds the amount of his
homeowner's umbrella policy (this seems to be the usual tactic in these
lawsuits).

My insurance company settled for between $5,000 and $25,000, after lengthy
depositions. My agent wouldn't disclose the precise amount of the settlement.

I presume that settlement included the $15 in provable damages and $4,985 to
$24,985 for "loss of consortium".


Jose

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Jan 4, 2001, 7:06:07 PM1/4/01
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Either Owens has one hell of a barroom grip, or the nutritionist isn't
following her own advice.

I smell a rat with large, round ears...

"I had nothing to offer anyone but my own confusion."
-Jack Kerouac

David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 7:23:46 PM1/4/01
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Jose wrote the quoted material below:

" Either Owens has one hell of a barroom grip, or the nutritionist isn't
" following her own advice.

The article stated that the woman was small and weighed 98 pounds. I'd
assume that Ronnn Owens weighs at least 210. And arm wrestling is a sport
where size *does* matter. Anybody the least bit familiar with arm
wrestling knows that it's easy to break bones and dislocate shoulders
doing it.


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Peter

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Jan 4, 2001, 8:07:03 PM1/4/01
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>>
The article stated that the woman was small and weighed 98 pounds. I'd assume
that Ronnn Owens weighs at least 210. And arm wrestling is a sport where size
*does* matter. Anybody the least bit familiar with arm wrestling knows that
it's easy to break bones and dislocate shoulders doing it.
>>

With all due respect to those ca. 1950s "Charles Atlas 90-pound weakling" ads,
Ronnn is too nice a guy to take advantage of a 98-pound (purported) weakling.


David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 8:45:00 PM1/4/01
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Peter wrote the quoted material below:

" With all due respect to those ca. 1950s "Charles Atlas 90-pound
" weakling" ads, Ronnn is too nice a guy to take advantage of a 98-pound
" (purported) weakling.

All I'm saying is what appears in the newspaper. I'm not saying anybody
"took advantage" of anyone. If arm wrestling took place, I think it was a
very foolish thing to do. People *do* get broken bones and dislocated
shoulders from doing it.


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MB

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Jan 4, 2001, 9:27:29 PM1/4/01
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This is GREAT!
The left is eating it's own.

More!

mike
=========================================================================

David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 9:23:31 PM1/4/01
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August Miller wrote the quoted material below:

" KNTV's web page has a "Countdown to NBC" ticker, giving to the second,
" when they will start airing NBC programming. (I went to the web page to
" see their phony contour map, but it wasn't there). I wonder how many
" faithful viewers they have in Fairfield? I bet it even extends to just
" before KCRA's tower in Walnut Grove.

In all due fairness to KNTV, have you *ever* known a broadcaster to tell
the truth about its coverage area? I've seen a lot of contour maps in the
ad kits stations send out. Usually instead of using the city-grade
contour they use some very low signal level which might not even be high
enough to capture the average receiver at all.

For some examples of radio coverage maps; TV maps are similarly inflated:
http://www.kmje.com/coverage.htm
http://www.kmso.com/html/coverage_map.htm
http://www.kixc.com/cover.html
http://www.bluegrassradio.net/map.html
http://www.sunny103-5.com/coveragemap.html

I mean really -- .5 mv per meter?

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David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 10:31:40 PM1/4/01
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MB wrote the quoted material below:

" This is GREAT!
" The left is eating it's own.

Since when is Ronnn Owens a leftist? Even *he* says he's a moderate.


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John Higdon

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Jan 4, 2001, 10:36:03 PM1/4/01
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in article slrn959ndp....@shell.tsoft.com, Mark Roberts wrote:

> KNTV's signal can't cover the Bay Area, no matter how many artistic
> coverage maps it can come up with. For instance, at our house, KCRA
> comes in much better than KNTV.

Notice my predictions are beginning to fall into place:

From the Chronicle:

"In another move to underscore KNTV's emergence, Granite petitioned the
Federal Communications Commission in November to have KNTV designated
officially as a San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose station."

Goodbye San Jose; hello San Francisco. San Jose becomes a third-place
afterthought in the station's ID.

Next: the buyout by NBC. Stay tuned.

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From the Bay Area, call: 415 428-COWS

David Kaye

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Jan 4, 2001, 10:54:09 PM1/4/01
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John Higdon wrote the quoted material below:

" Goodbye San Jose; hello San Francisco. San Jose becomes a third-place
" afterthought in the station's ID.

Yes, you are right. I had an inkling this might happen, but then thought
that heck, the population served by KNTV could be so huge that moving it
up to SF would only lessen their coverage.

I think SJ needs cable cars or something.

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George

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Jan 5, 2001, 5:54:23 AM1/5/01
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It came to me in a magical vision that on 5 Jan 2001 03:31:40 GMT,
that marvelous person David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> had informed
us of the following:

>MB wrote the quoted material below:
>" This is GREAT!
>" The left is eating it's own.
>
>Since when is Ronnn Owens a leftist? Even *he* says he's a moderate.

Also, I don't think it's required to be a leftist to be athletic, a
nutrition expert of teach at UC Davis.

So people take their politics waayyyyy too seriously.

George

Mike Maxfield

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Jan 5, 2001, 10:25:23 AM1/5/01
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> writes:
>Jose wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" Either Owens has one hell of a barroom grip, or the nutritionist isn't
>" following her own advice.
>
>The article stated that the woman was small and weighed 98 pounds. I'd
>assume that Ronnn Owens weighs at least 210. And arm wrestling is a sport
>where size *does* matter. Anybody the least bit familiar with arm
>wrestling knows that it's easy to break bones and dislocate shoulders
>doing it.

And who's fault is it that 1) she accepted the challenge; 2) she
managed her small weight enough to allw item 3; and 3) she excerted
enough muscular force in response to the opposing force to cause her
muscles to strain and tear.


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David Kaye

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Jan 5, 2001, 1:14:56 PM1/5/01
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Mike Maxfield wrote the quoted material below:

" And who's fault is it that 1) she accepted the challenge; 2) she
" managed her small weight enough to allw item 3; and 3) she excerted
" enough muscular force in response to the opposing force to cause her
" muscles to strain and tear.

The point is that (1) arm wrestling is dangerous, (2) size matters, (3)
the ratio of weight between the participants was probably 2:1. This event
shouldn't have happened. I don't care whether anybody is to blame or
not; the two people involved shouldn't have done this.


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Mike Maxfield

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Jan 5, 2001, 3:20:04 PM1/5/01
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> writes:
>Mike Maxfield wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" And who's fault is it that 1) she accepted the challenge; 2) she
>" managed her small weight enough to allw item 3; and 3) she excerted
>" enough muscular force in response to the opposing force to cause her
>" muscles to strain and tear.
>
>The point is that (1) arm wrestling is dangerous, (2) size matters, (3)
>the ratio of weight between the participants was probably 2:1. This event
>shouldn't have happened. I don't care whether anybody is to blame or
>not; the two people involved shouldn't have done this.

And yet, should some narrow minded individual approach you and inform
you that certain sexual lifestyles may be dangerous to you health, I
suppose you wouldn't tell the person to mind their own business.


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David Kaye

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Jan 5, 2001, 4:41:54 PM1/5/01
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Mike Maxfield wrote the quoted material below:

" And yet, should some narrow minded individual approach you and inform


" you that certain sexual lifestyles may be dangerous to you health, I
" suppose you wouldn't tell the person to mind their own business.

If the person were better informed than I am, I'd be inclined to listen,
which is what I did and why I'm still alive and healthy (and HIV negative)
today, 20 years after AIDS started hitting the very population I was
sexually involved with. I took the advice of others *very* seriously and
altered my habits.

John Higdon

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Jan 5, 2001, 5:01:30 PM1/5/01
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in article 935f32$h76ba$1...@rn.area.com, David Kaye wrote:

> If the person were better informed than I am, I'd be inclined to listen,
> which is what I did and why I'm still alive and healthy (and HIV negative)
> today, 20 years after AIDS started hitting the very population I was
> sexually involved with. I took the advice of others *very* seriously and
> altered my habits.

As did a lot of people. As usual, the media distorts community reaction,
preferring to portray incendiary responses. After all, the fact that the
majority (yes, majority) of the gay community took the matter of AIDS and
HIV very seriously and made major lifestyle adjustments is boring.

And thanks to the slanted press, fuel was provided those who like to portray
the GLBT community as irresponsible.

More generally, I like to think of myself as having a good foundation of
general knowledge. This was not acquired by telling others to "mind their
own business". One learns from others, even if they are "narrow-minded".

MB

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Jan 5, 2001, 9:45:19 PM1/5/01
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Ha, you're kidding, right?

mike
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Ciccio

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Jan 6, 2001, 12:04:27 PM1/6/01
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David Kaye wrote:

> The point is that (1) arm wrestling is dangerous, (2) size matters, (3)
> the ratio of weight between the participants was probably 2:1. This event
> shouldn't have happened. I don't care whether anybody is to blame or
> not; the two people involved shouldn't have done this.

Still, I'd like to read the complaint that was filed with the court to see what
legal theories are being relied upon. Unless the article's account is really
lacking, the court should dismiss the suit in its initial stages. I'm not going
to hypothesize here ad infinitum, so if anybody knows more than what the article
sets forth, please let me/(us) know.

Ciccio

MB

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Jan 6, 2001, 2:24:18 PM1/6/01
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Kind of reminds me of the election.
I lost, so I'm going to court.

mike
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Ciccio

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Jan 7, 2001, 1:12:02 PM1/7/01
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MB wrote:

> Kind of reminds me of the election.
> I lost, so I'm going to court.

Yeah, maybe that's what she's suing for...a REmatch. And of course, the REmatch
would be done by her rules.
Ciccio
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