Pat Thurston reminds listeners of Bernie Ward's tremendous organizing and fund raising efforts around Thanksgiving ...
bozo
whatever trials, tribulations, penance, shame, doubt and
recriminations one might have suggesting little or no reason for one
to celebrate a ritual like Thanksgiving ... lo isn't that exactly when
the gesture and devotion are all the more relevant and appropriate ...
Bravo, Bullya and Kol HaKavod to both Pat and Bernie for reminding us.
leansto...@democrat.com
If KGO had any class, they would record a spot from Bernie for the
charity. If Mumia Abu Jamal can broadcast from prison, so can Bernie.
David Kaye
>If KGO had any class, they would record a spot from Bernie for the
>charity. If Mumia Abu Jamal can broadcast from prison, so can Bernie.
Christine Craft, who is substituting for everybody this week, was on last
night (Saturday) and read a prayer from Bernie.
bozo
> "leanstothel...@democrat.com" <leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> >If KGO had any class, they would record a spot from Bernie for the
> >charity. If Mumia Abu Jamal can broadcast from prison, so can Bernie.
>
> Christine Craft, who is substituting for everybody this week, was on last
> night (Saturday) and read a prayer from Bernie.
I wonder how many of Bernie's fiercest critics have given to any
Thanksgiving charity.
Ciccio
Why only a Thanksgiving charity?...Don't be such a tightwad.
One thing is for sure, any organization that uses the pervert Ward as
a spokesman won't get penny one from me.
Ciccio
bozo
QED. I knew I could lure scum like you out of your hole. Except for
the other farts you keep company with here, you don't amount to shit.
When it comes to measuring up, Bernie could be dead and buried behind
walls and ceilings ten feet thick, and he's till cast a longer shadow
at night than you could a hot summer day, you little piss ant.
Geo Randell
> > Why only a Thanksgiving charity?...Don't be such a tightwad.
>
> > One thing is for sure, any organization that uses the pervert Ward as
> > a spokesman won't get penny one from me.
>
> > Ciccio
Wow. This is one of the meanest, nastiest remarks ever seen in any
forum. Bernie Ward didn't create those 4 relief agencies, he and KGO
mere raised money to help feed these people who have nothing. I guess
Ciccio thinks they ought to go hungry. Bad bad bad.
"They who live have all things; they who withhold have nothing."
- Hindu proverb
Ciccio
> Except for the other farts you keep company with here, you don't amount to shit.
You are piece of shit admiring another piece of shit, two turds in the
same cesspool.
> When it comes to measuring up, Bernie could be dead and buried behind
> walls and ceilings ten feet thick, and he's till cast a longer shadow
> at night than you could a hot summer day, you little piss ant.
Oh, and that from a perverted piece of shit who hero worships another
perverted piece of shit. I'm just glad our justice system does
something right once in awhile and slammed that sorry sack of shit
away. Of course, your time is coming and I'll enjoy that just as much
when it happens.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> Wow. This is one of the meanest, nastiest remarks ever seen in any
> forum.
Wow. You need to get out more.
> Bernie Ward didn't create those 4 relief agencies, he and KGO
> mere raised money to help feed these people who have nothing. I guess
> Ciccio thinks they ought to go hungry. Bad bad bad.
Well, you think wrong. That's why I hope they don't engage the pervert
Bernie as a tout.
Ciccio
bozo
whether it comes soon or not, I'll dance on your grave before and
after
BayAreaBroadcast
> a spokesman won't get penny one from me.
>
What charity is going to use a convicted felon as a spokesman?
Are you really this stupid? Is anyone?
Ciccio
wrote:
> What charity is going to use a convicted felon as a spokesman?
Exactly, my point.
> Are you really this stupid?
Are you really so stupid as too not read the posts prior to mine?
> Is anyone?
To ask that question, is to answer it.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
Other than the pontificators that have probably committed crimes in
their past, most people look at Bernie's crime as more of a thought
crime than a felony. I think what he did was stupid, but hardly
deserves 7 years of jail time. [You would have a shorter sentence if
you actually did the act rather than distributed a photograph.]
Remember, those that complain the loudest are generally guilty of the
same crime. You see this all the time. It's much like the gay bashers
that are gay themselves. Every time I read these posts bashing Bernie,
my first thought is the ranting lunatic is a child molester himself.
Bozo
he's a perv from way back and gets a boner pretending he's not
Don Freeman
gvk2
> Remember, those that complain the loudest are generally guilty of the
> same crime. You see this all the time. It's much like the gay bashers
> that are gay themselves. Every time I read these posts bashing Bernie,
> my first thought is the ranting lunatic is a child molester himself.
Oh how true you are, I see it all the time.
Those who complain about littering are always throwing trash out the
window and dumping their oil in the storm drain.
Those who complain about violence in society are usually beating their
wife, their kids, and their dogs in the privacy of their own homes.
Those who say we should stop global warming are the very ones keeping
their homes at 80 degrees in winter.
And those who say they never listen to KGO are never far from a 810AM
earbud stuck in the side of their head...
yes, find a complainer and you'll find a culprit.
The "rule" always holds true.
You've nailed it once again. A very perceptive logic you've
developed.
Now, I'm gonna put on my hat and go tell some bald guys to grow some
hair. Let me at them.
John Higdon
<5ba73a35-37a0-4b47...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
gvk2 <gvk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 12:51�pm, "leanstothel...@democrat.com"
>
> > Remember, those that complain the loudest are generally guilty of the
> > same crime. You see this all the time. It's much like the gay bashers
> > that are gay themselves.
> Oh how true you are, I see it all the time.
Indeed. Those who are guilty of being gay usually make the most
self-righteous noises.
--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last
Don Freeman
David Kaye
>Indeed. Those who are guilty of being gay usually make the most
>self-righteous noises.
The term "guilty" is an interesting way of saying it. In my own life I've
failed to see what the big to-do is.
David Kaye
>You've nailed it once again. A very perceptive logic you've
>developed.
You're laughing, but it happens to be true. The most homophobic people out
there are gay themselves. Take the Catholic Church, for instance. You'd be
hard pressed to find any institution outside of Islam that is so, SO anti-gay.
And yet, we all know about the priest sex scandals.
And look at the politicians who get caught in public restrooms, or have
gentlemen friends on the side. Heck, even pianist Liberace once sued a
tabloid for libel for claiming he was gay. And he won.
Again, I could never see what the big to-do is. People are fun to look at and
fun to have sex with, some more than others. Big deal.
John Higdon
sfdavi...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
I used the word intentionally. Usually, it comes, expressed or implied,
from gay "defenders".
Ciccio
> On Nov 25, 3:43 am, BayAreaBroadcast <bayareabroadc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 7:45 am, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > One thing is for sure, any organization that uses the pervert Ward as
> > > a spokesman won't get penny one from me.
>
> > What charity is going to use a convicted felon as a spokesman?
>
> > Are you really this stupid? Is anyone?
>
> Other than the pontificators that have probably committed crimes in
> their past, most people look at Bernie's crime as more of a thought
> crime than a felony.
Maybe "most people" you know.
I think what he did was stupid, but hardly
> deserves 7 years of jail time. [You would have a shorter sentence if
> you actually did the act rather than distributed a photograph.]
So, that says quite a bit of how serious a problem child porn is.
> Remember, those that complain the loudest are generally guilty of the
> same crime. You see this all the time. It's much like the gay bashers
> that are gay themselves.
Oh, you mean you would do all the acts that Bush did, because you
complain very loud about them. Oh, I see all the people who take to
the streets to protest the war, really want to be Marines and go into
battle.
> Every time I read these posts bashing Bernie, my first thought is the ranting lunatic is a > child molester himself.
Hmmm. That's your first thought? So, how long have suffered from
delusional thinking?
Bernie Ward is a pervert and he got what he deserved...Get used to it.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> You're laughing, but it happens to be true. The most homophobic people out
> there are gay themselves. Take the Catholic Church, for instance. You'd be
> hard pressed to find any institution outside of Islam that is so, SO anti-gay.
> And yet, we all know about the priest sex scandals.
And yet there are billions of Catholics who adhere to the doctrine who
are gay. The connection you are asserting is bullshit. In fact,
statistically it is a small exception, not even being close to the
rule.
As for homosexual pedophiles priests, they are not "projecting" secret
desires. Quite simply, they are wolves in sheep's clothing. Many
pedophiles enter into professions where they have a position of trust
with children. DUH!
> Again, I could never see what the big to-do is. People are fun to look at and
> fun to have sex with, some more than others. Big deal.
And some not all. Hell, there are people out there who find eating
shit as being sexual fun. To me, that and homosexual sex are both
equally repulsive, but if somebody else wants to do it, it shouldn't
be any biggie. Most definitely, such is nothing upon which to base the
denial of civil rights.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
Let see. Larry Craig (Idaho senator) and Jim West (Spokane mayor) come
to mind. I don't recall if Bob Allen was a gay basher or not. I do
credit him for making me cough up a lung due to laughing so hard. His
excuse for paying for sex was that he thought the big African American
male prostitute was going to beat him up.
<http://www.americablog.com/2007/08/busted-florida-republican-state-
reps.html>
Now seriously, if you were straight and thought the guy was going to
beat you up, you'd hand him a $20 and just say no thanks, or even more
entertaining, say "I'm paying for the guy in that stall."
chris319
> Bernie Ward is a pervert and he got what he deserved...Get used to it.
What would Bernie deserve if he had actually molested a child?
Show me an adult who cannot discuss the subject of child molestation
rationally and I'll show you an adult who was molested as a child.
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> Let see. Larry Craig (Idaho senator) and Jim West (Spokane mayor) come
> to mind. I don't recall if Bob Allen was a gay basher or not. I do
> credit him for making me cough up a lung due to laughing so hard. His
> excuse for paying for sex was that he thought the big African American
> male prostitute was going to beat him up.
> <http://www.americablog.com/2007/08/busted-florida-republican-state-
> reps.html>
> Now seriously, if you were straight and thought the guy was going to
> beat you up, you'd hand him a $20 and just say no thanks, or even more
> entertaining, say "I'm paying for the guy in that stall."
How does that make valid your most absurd and stupid statement that
all or most, or even many, people who complain about criminal
perverts, are really "closet criminal perverts"? That is really is a
desperately extreme argument in trying to defend criminal perverts. I
wonder why you're doing that? Hmmm.
Ciccio
gvk2
>
> How does that make valid your most absurd and stupid statement that
> all or most, or even many, people who complain about criminal
> perverts, are really "closet criminal perverts"?
You have to understand how his brain works in making the connections
between those who complain about child porn and those who love it.
leansto...@democrat.com
Me thinks you doth protest too much. Get my drift.
Now I have no problem coming down like a ton of bricks on those
bastards making kiddie porn. But tossing a guy in prison for 7 years
for some decade old photo seems to me to be prosecuting the wrong
person. Given the music and video piracy these days, I suspect a
fraction of a percent of the KP distributors are being caught.
Wouldn't it be more useful just to tell Bernie to cut that crap out
and have mandatory counseling? I think with a get out of jail free
card, Bernie would have never repeated whatever he did.
The tax bill on locking Bernie up has to be around half a million.
Seems like a waste of money to me.
You may recall Pete Townsend was cleared using a similar story, i.e.
doing research. Have you smashed all your Who records yet?
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> Me thinks you doth protest too much. Get my drift.
Me thinks you doth protest too much about a felonious pervert being
sent to prison. Get my drift.
> Now I have no problem coming down like a ton of bricks on those
> bastards making kiddie porn. But tossing a guy in prison for 7 years
> for some decade old photo seems to me to be prosecuting the wrong
> person.
That is a most erroneous statement of the facts. The facts were
recited in painstaking detail in the media, on here, and if anybody
wants to pay a buck or two to view the official court file online,
they're available there.
Go get the facts. I'm not interested in arguing with somebody who is
ignorant about the subject matter.
Ciccio
BayAreaBroadcast
Bernie raised MILLIONS for charities but simpletons like yourself
label him a "pervert" for looking at
dots on a screen.
Try to wrap your head around the fact that he has done far more good
than you will ever do.
gvk2
wrote:
>
> Bernie raised MILLIONS for charities but simpletons like yourself
> label him a "pervert" for looking at
> dots on a screen.
While I do think Bernie's sentence was far too long and that he would
have learned any lesson he needed by this day, to just label those
images as "dots on a screen" is rather pathetic.
Why didn't you just say electrons or photons, making it even less
troublesome.
There were images of young children being tortured. (if you read the
sentencing report...gagged, bound)
Surely they are more than simple "dots on a screen".
Ask their mothers and fathers.
leansto...@democrat.com
Christine Craft's word is good enough for me. If she says they are old
photos, they are old photos are far as I'm concerned.
Me? I'm complaining about people going to jail that aren't a danger to
the public, or would stop being so if the law just said "cut that crap
out." Save jail for dangerous people. Again, your illogical and
constant protest of Bernie speaks volumes. What is it that you did
that makes you feel so guilty? Hey, it's just between us oh and the
internet.
leansto...@democrat.com
Most of the time, it's mom or dad doing the torture.
IIRC, Christine said the photos are from Brazil. The uber-Catholics
produce throw-away kids that end up as beggers, thieves, or do porn.
Merchants pay to have these kids killed.
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> Christine Craft's word is good enough for me. If she says they are old
> photos, they are old photos are far as I'm concerned.
Well then you are denying the facts contained plainly in the court
records. I read them, those are the fact the Pervert Bernie's lawyer
accepted in his arguments to dismiss. Those are the facts the pervert
Bernie admitted to.
Like I said, if you want to discuss this any longer go learn the
facts. I am not interested in arguing with you or Craft's wishful
thinking.
Ciccio
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> IIRC, Christine said the photos are from Brazil. The uber-Catholics
> produce throw-away kids that end up as beggers, thieves, or do porn.
> Merchants pay to have these kids killed.
Bzzzzzt. Wrong. Go learn the facts.
Ciccio
Ciccio
BWAHAHAHAAHA!!! Did the usual bullshitter Craft offer a source. None,
and I mean nothing even close to that bullshit, was in any of the FBI
reports, the police reports, the court records, the statements made by
the pervert Bernie's lawyer. Oh, I know....Craft probably got that
bullshit from the pervert Bernie himself...how reliable.
Ciccio
Bozo
ciccio, for somebody who hates kiddie-porn, you know an awful lot
about the subject. Nobody raises Kiddie-porn and Bernie more often and
vigorously than you do, NOBODY, and I KNOW you'd love to discuss it
without mentioning Bernie if you could but then you wouldn't have a
cover. Bernie's your beard, ciccio, you poor transparent chicken-shit
little child-loving pervert. I betcha just love and crave those pre-
teen advertising supplements in the paper drive. Which color outfits
do you like the most, ciccio, the blues or pinks. You can call Bernie
a pervert all you want, ciccio, but all of us starting with
Shakespeare intuitively know that the ladies among who screams the
loudest are always the most suspect. Man up perv boy.
-bdn-
gvk2
>
> Most of the time, it's mom or dad doing the torture.
>
> IIRC, Christine said the photos are from Brazil. The uber-Catholics
> produce throw-away kids that end up as beggers, thieves, or do porn.
> Merchants pay to have these kids killed.
Now, that's a fairly sick comment.
One wonders if you ever allowed yourself to read the sentencing
report.
3 year old children involved.
Take a look at this ABC7 page which contains the link to the report.
Read the pdf file if you dare.
http://iteamblog.abc7news.com/2008/08/new-details-of.html
Then come back and tell us its nothing but "dots on a screen".
Yet you rest your case on "uber-Catholics" from Brazil being the
responsible party. Most likely the parents.
Sick, real sick comments.
Imagine going up to someone on the street and telling them your
version of events. Then let them read the sentencing report.
Wonder which version they'll find most persuasive.
Your nothing but "dots on a screen" ? I doubt it.
Ciccio
> ciccio, for somebody who hates kiddie-porn, you know an awful lot
> about the subject.
Not much to know about it, though you sickos like to cloak it as
esoterica. Quite simply, scum like you and pervert Bernie share child
pornography. Then because you filthy scumbags are so obsessed with it,
you can't stop, so you get busted. Then you go to prison...Heh. And
your time is coming.
Ciccio
Stratum101
> And those who say they never listen to KGO are never far from a 810AM
> earbud stuck in the side of their head...
I wouldn't know. I just returned from the Southland
within nighttime earshot of KGO and I didn't have it
on once.
As radio goes, I'm afraid San Francisco is for hicks. It's not
even as good as Dallas which itself is nothing that I'd track
by Internet if it were my hometown and I was working
in the field in San Francisco.
What's on at the moment is the second hour of
"Performance Today" on the WXXI stream. I presume
everybody caught this weekend's Piano Puzzler. Those of
you who don't know what I'm talking about are not
necessarily fuckwits, but you are candidates.
gvk2
>
> What's on at the moment is the second hour of
> "Performance Today" on the WXXI stream. I presume
> everybody caught this weekend's Piano Puzzler. Those of
> you who don't know what I'm talking about are not
> necessarily fuckwits, but you are candidates.
Sure, we know how cultured you are, but what about all those you pass
in the street?
I'm suggesting the next time you pass a Dallas tattoo parlor, you
have the artist place a nice bold "Upper Crust" on your right bicep,
so that all your fellow Texans can read it when you wear your tank-
tops next spring.
Stratum101
I did see "KGO" stenciled on some dude's arm
years ago. It was within blocks of the studio when
it was still on the edge of the Tenderloin. Where
was that? Golden Gate Ave. or Turk St? I don't
remember now. There was a used bookstore
over there that I liked. They had this Albanian
language manual that I would occasionally
go inside just to browse (never knew when
I might need to know a little Albanian -
the only one I knew of was this big fat
one named John Belushi, but I don't
think SNL was even on the air yet), and
this guy tattooed with KGO was coming out
the door as I was going in. I remember he
jumped onto a solid chrome chopper and roared
off. The scene was a bit leathery for my taste.
I'm not into chrome, choppers, tattoos, or guys.
In those days, I was obsessed with memory
usage on my 4040 computer. I had just
designed a memory expansion that put me
up at 8K using some tricky mapping and I
didn't know what to do with all the extra space
but GTE on the Peninsula was interested.
Intel sales people were handing out 8080s
to R&D types, and using one was next on
my list. If I *were* inclined to have a tattoo
logo, Intel would've been my choice
hands down.
David Kaye
>What's on at the moment is the second hour of
>"Performance Today" on the WXXI stream.
The reason that "Performance Today" is not carried here is that the Bay Area
is strong enough financially to support a commercial classical music station,
unlike other markets where classical music is put on a non-comm station,
sometimes as a format of last resort.
And in generations past, the Bay Area was able to support two commercial
classical stations.
John Higdon
sfdavi...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
> And in generations past, the Bay Area was able to support two commercial
> classical stations.
At one point, more than that.
Stratum101
> Stratum101 <j.coll...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
> >What's on at the moment is the second hour of
> >"Performance Today" on the WXXI stream.
>
> The reason that "Performance Today" is not carried here is that the Bay Area
> is strong enough financially to support a commercial classical music station,
> unlike other markets where classical music is put on a non-comm station,
> sometimes as a format of last resort.
Shades of Molly Bloom's soliloquy ("Yes I said yes I will. Yes.")
KDFC is a classical station and I am proud owner of the George
Washington Bridge which I got by trading the Brooklyn Bridge
and deeds to Boardwark and Park Place.
David Kaye
>KDFC is a classical station and I am proud owner of the George
>Washington Bridge which I got by trading the Brooklyn Bridge
>and deeds to Boardwark and Park Place.
Whether you agree with their programming policies or not, KDFC is a classical
music station programmed by a classical musician. So, get over yourself.
You may remember that KQED-FM once had a classical format of the kind you
desire, but it didn't do well enough to continue. Classical music, like jazz
and other fringe genres, don't have mass appeal, and thus don't survive well
on mass media such as radio.
Bozo
POT-KETTLE-BLACK, perv-ciccio. Repressed little scolds like you
litter the landscape of virtue and patriotism. In a made-for-TV biopic
of hitler, you remind me of him lashing out indignantly to one of his
associates for merely mentioning the attention he was paying to his
young love interest, ... you could have played the part in that scene
blindfolded you little adolph ... heh-heh-heh ... you're such a
repressed little weenie-waver, it's almost too cruel to pick on you,
you pathetic little pervert, take a hike sucker.
-bdn-
Stratum101
Exactly, and I repeat that San Francisco is poorly served by KDFC.
But the West Coast capital of performance arts is Los Angeles, not
San Francisco. L.A. is arguably the world capital. It's just that
you'd think with all the serious musicians that inhabit San Francisco,
it could support several first rate serious music stations. It just
doesn't although there's enough music on KALW to make it a contender
for Serious Music Station #2.
But without insulting a city that everybody likes (well nearly
everybody... certainly me),
"Performance Today" is a fantastic program and no place is the poorer
for having it. The Dallas-Ft Worth stations don't carry it either.
Nearest place
is Ardmore, OK.
David Kaye
>But the West Coast capital of performance arts is Los Angeles, not
>San Francisco. L.A. is arguably the world capital. It's just that
>you'd think with all the serious musicians that inhabit San Francisco,
>it could support several first rate serious music stations.
It's been my contention all along that there is enough great local music to
fill the schedule of a radio station. I know because I book it.
But that's only one hurdle. The SF Comicle kills things by promoting only
touring acts that come from far away, totally ignoring some of the most
amazing musicians in the world right in their own back yard.
Hell, I get better coverage of my live local music series in the Contra Costa
Times than I do in the Comicle, SF Weekly, or the Guardian. They're all
guilty of being hypnotized by the mystery of acts from afar.
The other night we had Honeycomb, a singer/songwriter ensemble featuring
ukulele, marimba, upright bass, and various other instruments, and a singer
who appeared to be singing her own language. It was astonishing. The theater
was packed. In fact, we oversold and people were sitting on the floor and
standing.
It was stations like Pirate Cat that gave air to acts like that, and Tornado
Rider, Classical Revolution, and the like.
>It just
>doesn't although there's enough music on KALW to make it a contender
>for Serious Music Station #2.
KALW has good music programming. For the most part this has happened because
they hadn't been funded for a program director position in about 15 years.
So, basically, if someone was available to put on a show and they sounded
good, chances were that they got a slot. This is how Henri-Pierre Koubaka got
his Kumpo Beat program on KALW. (He has since returned to Senegal.)
>"Performance Today" is a fantastic program and no place is the poorer
>for having it.
I first encountered PT on KOPB in Portland 15 or more years ago. I agree that
it is an excellent program. Well, one thing you can do if you're so
interested in having the program in the Bay Area is sponsoring an hour on one
of the non-comm stations to run it. While some stations would balk at this
kind of arrangement, others especially cash-strapped KCSM, would probably jump
at it.
Ciccio
> POT-KETTLE-BLACK, perv-ciccio. Repressed little scolds like you
> litter the landscape of virtue and patriotism.
Damn, you are so far gone into the bowels of the sicko netherworld
that you perceive as repressed those who denounce the sexual torture
of children. Congress was quite wise in mandating the stern sentences
of many years for you pitiful perverted pieces of shit. It is apparent
you will need, at least, seven years of intensive treatment, before
you will even be near ready to walk amongst decent people...Heh. The
good news is that you are nearing the start of that journey.
Ciccio
Bozo
Blah blah blah. CLOSET PERV. You. Good bye.
-bdn-
Ciccio
> Blah blah blah. CLOSET PERV. You. Good bye.
Heh. That's what I'll be saying when you get pinched...Bye-Bye
pervert.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
Reread the report. Look at this:
--------------------
The FBI obtained a federal search warrant for defendant's residence.
They also spoke with defendant, his wife, and two of his children.
Forensic analysis of the computers revealed no matches to the images
that AOL supplied through its warrant. Further, no evidence
of chats were retrieved from the computer evidence.
----------------------
Does this sound like a peddler of kiddie porn? You read the arrests.
Those clowns have thousands of images.
The chat logs are just chat. I can't believe that crap is entered in
evidence. I see the "father Bernie" crap was also in the report,
though unproven.
I mention the throw away kids because that is where much of this crap
comes from. I heard this on various news reports.
I say throw the makers of this porn in jail. Throw the human
traffickers in jail. But tell some schmuck with 3 photos on his Mac to
cut that crap out or and there better not be a next time. This is a
waste of resources that could be spent going after serious criminals
rather than distributors of 20 year old photos.
While we are at it, are the other 10 people in the "ring" now in jail?
Or just Bernie.
gvk2
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
>
> Reread the report. Look at this:
> --------------------
> Forensic analysis of the computers revealed no matches to the images
> that AOL supplied through its warrant. Further, no evidence
> of chats were retrieved from the computer evidence.
> ----------------------
Its called "cloud computing"...100 images in his account.
As the A-Team article said about the sentencing report,
"it contains the most graphic descriptions yet of 100 images the FBI
found in Ward’s e-mail account -- mostly girls from three to nine
years of age; some being bound, gagged and brutally sexually abused.
>
> Does this sound like a peddler of kiddie porn? You read the arrests.
> Those clowns have thousands of images.
So Bernie only had "hundreds"....
Are you suggesting he wasn't "into" his kiddie porn?
>
> I say throw the makers of this porn in jail. Throw the human
> traffickers in jail. But tell some schmuck with 3 photos on his Mac to
> cut that crap out or and there better not be a next time.
On his computer or just as accessible in his e-mail account, it wasn't
1 photo or 3 photo it was 100 images they found.
This is a
> waste of resources that could be spent going after serious criminals
> rather than distributors of 20 year old photos.
Show me anywhere it says that the 100 images were all 20 years old.
You keep going on about this "20 year old" business.
Tell me, give me your cut off date for when its OK to pass on child
porn.
20 years and its OK... How about 15 years. How about 10 years.
How about 4 years?
So tell me, in your wisdom and morality, what is the date after which
its OK to distribute child porn images?
Your answer should prove interesting.
>
> While we are at it, are the other 10 people in the "ring" now in jail?
> Or just Bernie.
Just Bernie. Just like if he was not paying his taxes, the first
person they'd go after would be the celebrity.
That's just the way it is.
Now, I think they could have served justice with 18 months or perhaps
2 years. They could let him out now and he'd certainly have learned
his lesson. But thats not how the law was written.
His latest blog is all about food and the shortage of it for some.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
Let Them Eat Cake
If Bernie really wanted people to stay interested in what he is
writing he should include a running report on his weight.
Christine Craft said he was losing weight at a steady pace.
He should give readers a month by month progress report...
His other stuff is just a rehash of the usual.. yada, yada, yada.
Stratum101
KCSM is a candidate for conversion to a serious music format.
The Peninsula and South Bay already have one junk
station in the form of the Foothill - DeAnza silliness. (I
call student run stations LBOs for "Little Bastards
Operations".) Aspiring junior college students at CSM
who want to sound like George Carlin doing a takeoff
on deejays could train there or find a remote spot in
northern Idaho that would be glad to have their business.
Or maybe move to Chico or Tibet. I do not consider the
College of San Mateo's training to produce deejays
worthy of public financing, which is even more
insulting to people who have to put up with
rednecks who say NPR is financed by taxes.
Austin which is a fraction the size of the Bay Area supports
KMFA for serious music and KUT for spoken programming.
These stations are for grownups and young adults
who know what they like. It's got a silly station, too,
KVRX run by UT students. Loyola Marymount in L.A.
has an LBO or did. It's awful but being in L.A. is
world class awful.
A miracle could happen and KDFC would become
another WQXR, which by the way is now part of
WNYC.
I don't have any simple solutions. There is a cadre
of fanatics who prefer the genre that is properly
called serious music ("classical" denotes
a sub-genre), and we are a highly productive
class. There are enough of us in the Bay
Area to have one station in a league with KUSC.
Right now, Sarah Cahill has a monopoly
on the category. It would be bloody
marvellous if there were four or five or her.
Eric Weaver
> KCSM is a candidate for conversion to a serious music format.
> The Peninsula and South Bay already have one junk
> station in the form of the Foothill - DeAnza silliness. (I
> call student run stations LBOs for "Little Bastards
> Operations".) Aspiring junior college students at CSM
> who want to sound like George Carlin...
Tell me, Jim, when's the last time you listened to KCSM?
The broadcast program at CSM went away for years and is just barely
crawling back and is almost totally focussed on TV.
Patty Winter
In article <4b129a6d$0$1609$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Eric Weaver <we...@sigma.net> wrote:
>Stratum101 wrote:
>
>> KCSM is a candidate for conversion to a serious music format.
>> The Peninsula and South Bay already have one junk
>> station in the form of the Foothill - DeAnza silliness.
>
How anyone could call a fine jazz station like KCSM a "junk
station" is beyond me.
Patty
Ciccio
> How anyone could call a fine jazz station like KCSM a "junk
> station" is beyond me.
It is apparent from Stratum's posts that he is myopic. A chief symptom
of myopia is a woeful lack of discernment.
Ciccio
David Kaye
>Austin which is a fraction the size of the Bay Area supports
>KMFA for serious music and KUT for spoken programming.
What do you consider serious music?
David Kaye
>How anyone could call a fine jazz station like KCSM a "junk
>station" is beyond me.
There are some partisans who consider only symphonic and chamber music to be
"serious". It's a class issue, more than likely, because the landed gentry
would always go out to such concerts in order to show their wealth to others.
Being a cross-genre kind of guy I can't see that a symphony is any more
serious than a composition by Adam Theis for his Jazz Mafia.
Stratum101
Elliott Carter, born in 1908 and still working.
Phil Kane
wrote:
>There are some partisans who consider only symphonic and chamber music to be
>"serious". It's a class issue, more than likely, because the landed gentry
>would always go out to such concerts in order to show their wealth to others.
This is the first time that I have been lumped into the "landed
gentry". Yes, the Schnitzers, Zidells, et al (take your pick of the
"endowers" at Portland State) are, but we revolve in different
circles.
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR
David Kaye
>This is the first time that I have been lumped into the "landed
>gentry".
But do you consider only symphonic and classical chamber music to be any good?
>Yes, the Schnitzers, Zidells, et al (take your pick of the
>"endowers" at Portland State) are, but we revolve in different
>circles.
Apropos of nothing, I sold my car to the Schnitzers recently. They own the
best junk yard in the Bay Area. They also pay the most for junkers.
Patty Winter
In article <7ngmqhF...@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Roberts <markrob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Anyhow, if classical music stations were valued by enough of their
>listeners, there would be more of them. Instead, they seem to be dying
>out for the simple reason that more money can be made doing something
>else.
WGBH just bought WCRB, which I guess will give them two classical
stations. Anyway, that will protect one classical station.
Patty
leansto...@democrat.com
On Nov 29, 12:58 am, gvk2 <gvk2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 11:49 pm, "leanstothel...@democrat.com"
>
> <leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
>
> > Reread the report. Look at this:
> > --------------------
> > Forensic analysis of the computers revealed no matches to the images
> > that AOL supplied through its warrant. Further, no evidence
> > of chats were retrieved from the computer evidence.
> > ----------------------
>
> Its called "cloud computing"...100 images in his account.
My interpretation of the AOL forensics is he received that many
images. It does not mean he kept that many images. It's really not
cloud computing in any case.
>
> As the A-Team article said about the sentencing report,
>
> "it contains the most graphic descriptions yet of 100 images the FBI
> found in Ward’s e-mail account -- mostly girls from three to nine
> years of age; some being bound, gagged and brutally sexually abused.
>
Again, those were not on his computer.
>
>
> > Does this sound like a peddler of kiddie porn? You read the arrests.
> > Those clowns have thousands of images.
>
> So Bernie only had "hundreds"....
> Are you suggesting he wasn't "into" his kiddie porn?
No, they found 3.
>
>
>
> > I say throw the makers of this porn in jail. Throw the human
> > traffickers in jail. But tell some schmuck with 3 photos on his Mac to
> > cut that crap out or and there better not be a next time.
>
> On his computer or just as accessible in his e-mail account, it wasn't
> 1 photo or 3 photo it was 100 images they found.
Not on his computer, but on AOL server.
>
> This is a
>
> > waste of resources that could be spent going after serious criminals
> > rather than distributors of 20 year old photos.
>
> Show me anywhere it says that the 100 images were all 20 years old.
You made that up. I never said that. Get your facts straight.
> You keep going on about this "20 year old" business.
> Tell me, give me your cut off date for when its OK to pass on child
> porn.
> 20 years and its OK... How about 15 years. How about 10 years.
> How about 4 years?
> So tell me, in your wisdom and morality, what is the date after which
> its OK to distribute child porn images?
It is never OK to distribute kiddie porn. However, it would be much
more useful to go after the creators of such material than toss a man
in jail for 7 years for looking at an image. I be you are the type to
complain about government waste, and yet you want to prosecute this
kind of case. When the dust settles, we the tax payers will have spent
$700 locking him up, probably $300 on the trial and investigation,
plus we lost the taxes that Bernie would have been paying to the feds.
So you spent a million bucks per criminal, and nothing, I repeat
nothing will have been done to stop this crap from floating around the
net. The money is better spent protecting today's children, not crimes
from 20 years ago. Get it Chester?
> Your answer should prove interesting.
>
I am the voice of reason. Glad you agree.
>
>
> > While we are at it, are the other 10 people in the "ring" now in jail?
> > Or just Bernie.
>
> Just Bernie. Just like if he was not paying his taxes, the first
> person they'd go after would be the celebrity.
> That's just the way it is.
Oh, so I get it's not about fighting crime at all. Just a witch hunt.
Thanks again for agreeing with me.
Mike Ward
wrote:
>WGBH just bought WCRB, which I guess will give them two classical
>stations. Anyway, that will protect one classical station.
WGBH-FM is dumping the classical, focusing that music on the newly
acquired WCRB.
From Scott Fybush's NorthEast Radio Watch, put out early this morning:
http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html
"At midnight tonight, more than half a century of commercial classical
music in Boston will come to an end, and a new era in eastern
MASSACHUSETTS radio will get underway.
That's when public broadcaster WGBH takes over operation of WCRB (99.5
Lowell) from Nassau, moving classical programming off WGBH (89.7) -
and we now have a sense of what the daytime programming on 89.7 will
look like after the flip:"
"At midnight tonight" means Monday night into Tuesday morning. Scott
publishes with an early Monday AM date.
The rest of the article tells you that WGBH-FM will take the
now-familiar role of a pubradio news/talk outlet, though "for now" it
will still air jazz at night (a la Sacramento's otherwise news/talk
KXJZ). The situation is complicated - much like it is in Sacramento -
by the existing presence of news/talk-heavy public outlet WBUR in
Boston, which is owned by Boston University.
Stratum101
wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2009 03:04:22 GMT, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com>
> wrote:
>
> >WGBH just bought WCRB, which I guess will give them two classical
> >stations. Anyway, that will protect one classical station.
>
> WGBH-FM is dumping the classical, focusing that music on the newly
> acquired WCRB.
>
> From Scott Fybush's NorthEast Radio Watch, put out early this morning:
>
> http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html
>
> "At midnight tonight, more than half a century of commercial classical
> music in Boston will come to an end, and a new era in eastern
> MASSACHUSETTS radio will get underway.
>
Oh, for crissakes... WGBH had talk and "classical"
music. It's dropping music on its primary channel. Its
acquisition WCRB plays serious music 24 hours,
and is carried on WGBH-HD2. The two together
cover most of eastern Massachusetts. The
classical channel will also be carried by a
low power station on Nantucket Island.
leansto...@democrat.com
> On Nov 27, 4:44 pm, "leanstothel...@democrat.com"
>
> <leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
>
> > Most of the time, it's mom or dad doing the torture.
>
> > IIRC, Christine said the photos are from Brazil. The uber-Catholics
> > produce throw-away kids that end up as beggers, thieves, or do porn.
> > Merchants pay to have these kids killed.
>
> Now, that's a fairly sick comment.
>
> One wonders if you ever allowed yourself to read the sentencing
> report.
> 3 year old children involved.
>
> Take a look at this ABC7 page which contains the link to the report.
> Read the pdf file if you dare.
>
> http://iteamblog.abc7news.com/2008/08/new-details-of.html
>
> Then come back and tell us its nothing but "dots on a screen".
>
> Yet you rest your case on "uber-Catholics" from Brazil being the
> responsible party. Most likely the parents.
>
> Sick, real sick comments.
>
> Imagine going up to someone on the street and telling them your
>
> Wonder which version they'll find most persuasive.
> Your nothing but "dots on a screen" ? I doubt it.
Speaking of someone who protests too much, I see the Michael Gressett
trial is proceeding. It should be in the news tomorrow.
Patty Winter
In article <r3r6h51pcgrs9p2s8...@4ax.com>,
Mike Ward <mw...@iname.remove-this-part.com> wrote:
>
>The rest of the article tells you that WGBH-FM will take the
>now-familiar role of a pubradio news/talk outlet, though "for now" it
>will still air jazz at night (a la Sacramento's otherwise news/talk
>KXJZ). The situation is complicated - much like it is in Sacramento -
>by the existing presence of news/talk-heavy public outlet WBUR in
>Boston, which is owned by Boston University.
Thanks for the additional information, Mike.
Even though I'm a KQED member and love KQED-FM here in the Bay Area,
I was concerned for KXJZ when KQED entered the Sacto market. I hope
they're doing okay.
Patty
David Kaye
>Even though I'm a KQED member and love KQED-FM here in the Bay Area,
>I was concerned for KXJZ when KQED entered the Sacto market. I hope
>they're doing okay.
Personally, I thought it was rude for KQED to go into the Sacto market. CPR
was doing just fine. Better they should have extended their radio reach
toward Stockton and the troubled KUOP.
Stratum101
I agree that Sacramento probably can't support two
NPR stations indefinitely. But didn't KXJZ play a
little serious music before they went to an
all-jazz format? Competition from
KQEI is their reward, on top of summers
that are like Dallas.
(Sacramento at least cools off a tad.
Dallas summer nights stay in the mid-90s
until the wee hours.)
Question for Christine Craft, if you're
around: which Sacto NPR station do you
listen to?
C-SPAN2's been on here in the left
ear with the volume turned down to
nearly subaudible. They're arguing the
health care bill in the Senate and last
weekend, even set aside Book TV to carry
a rare Saturday session. Of course,
I have my ear glued to all the media
to receive the latest bulletin on
Tiger Woods.
Mike Ward
wrote:
>Even though I'm a KQED member and love KQED-FM here in the Bay Area,
>I was concerned for KXJZ when KQED entered the Sacto market. I hope
>they're doing okay.
They have some hedges that could help them...an extensive network of
stations, including in the Sierra and eventually, Stockton's KUOP, and
the dual news/talk(/jazz) and classical programming.
Plus, there's the fact that except for Bay Area transplants or
visitors, KXJZ has had a big head start.
I haven't checked KQED-FM's programming listings as of late, but I
(still) don't think they do anything specific for KQEI other than
Metro-delivered traffic/weather updates.
(The state government/Capital programming doesn't count, of course,
since it's only local to Sacramento by physical location on a map. :D)
David Kaye
>But didn't KXJZ play a
>little serious music before they went to an
>all-jazz format?
I'm no longer going to respond to you on this issue. You're obviously trying
to bait us over the "serious music" issue.
David Kaye
>I haven't checked KQED-FM's programming listings as of late, but I
>(still) don't think they do anything specific for KQEI other than
>Metro-delivered traffic/weather updates.
Not that anymore, either. Since Metro merged offices they now offer a traffic
update that includes both the Bay Area and Sacto.
Stratum101
wrote:
Could you give the address of the state supreme court chambers?
Ciccio
wrote:
> Bernie raised MILLIONS for charities but simpletons like yourself
> label him a "pervert" for looking at
> dots on a screen.
He didn't look at dots on a screen. He looked at child porn. You know,
the product of children being tortured. He contributed to that
activity. He, himself, sent it as well. And not just once, but many
times.
Sorry, his bullshit altruism doesn't get him a free pass. He does the
crime, he does the time. He's nobody special. That's the way it's
suppose to work. I dislike it when
> Try to wrap your head around the fact that he has done far more good
> than you will ever do.
Actually not. But let's say that were so, I never committed a felony,
much less one that contributed to the sexual torture of children.
Nothing I did ever made my family suffer the way he is making his
family suffer. Any person who contributes to the sexual torture of
children and inflicts suffering upon his family because of his own
selfish wants, is a selfish piece of shit...Try to wrap your head
around that.
Ciccio
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> Me? I'm complaining about people going to jail that aren't a danger to
> the public, or would stop being so if the law just said "cut that crap
> out." Save jail for dangerous people.
People whose activities contribute to the sexual torture of children
are dangerous enough to send to jail.
> Again, your illogical and
> constant protest of Bernie speaks volumes. What is it that you did
> that makes you feel so guilty? Hey, it's just between us oh and the
> internet.
Your illogical and constant protest that pervert Bernie did nothing
"that" wrong speaks volumes. What is it that you did that makes you
feel so guilty? Hey, it's just between us, oh and the internet, oh and
the police department's sex offense detail.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> What would Bernie deserve if he had actually molested a child?
You mean as opposed to actually contributing to an industry that is
responsible for the sexual torture of hundreds of thousands of
children? You mean, his acutally blatantly violating a law that
plainly sets forth harsh penalties? No need to be hypothetical, what
he did is sufficiently egregious.
> Show me an adult who cannot discuss the subject of child molestation
> rationally and I'll show you an adult who was molested as a child.
If that's your excuse for discussing the subject irrationally, so be
it.
Ciccio
Bozo
JACKING-OFF IN NEWS GROUPS AGAIN CICCIO? YOU DISGUSTING LITTLE OLD MAN
Ciccio
> JACKING-OFF IN NEWS GROUPS AGAIN CICCIO? YOU DISGUSTING LITTLE OLD MAN
At least you're fantasizing about an adult. I guess that's some
improvement. Be sure to give your shrink a Christmas bonus.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
My opinion of Bernie's incarceration is completely logical. This law
is being applied very selectively. For instance, you are still on the
street.
KBZO
ciccio, your obsession to gainsay the obvious is almost unbelievable,
But you've impressed me so much, I'm buying you a radio station and
getting you your own show. It'll be called "Dog Talk" and it'll be on
my radio station KBZO AM &FM, and guess what, you'll be directly
opposite Ray T. He'll probably wipe the floor with you but that's
okay. The people at Circus Circus who own the station promised me
they'd keep you on for comic relief even if nobody's listening. For
ratings, you'll probably windup doing it doggie style and have puppies
but then that's show biness. I know you want to be Bernie's bitch but
this arrangement will have to do unless of course you can break Bernie
out early so he can salvage your career and dignity at KBZO. Good
luck.
Love Stinks huh ciccio http://popup.lala.com/popup/576742231816077291
-BdN-
Ciccio
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> My opinion of Bernie's incarceration is completely logical. This law
> is being applied very selectively. For instance, you are still on the
> street.
Nothing wrong with the being selective, provided it's right in the
selection. Like in the instance to which you refer. I have never
committed a felony, much less a despicable one like pervert Bernie
did, and I am not in prison. The despicable felon pervert Bernie,
however, is in prison. Perfect!
Ciccio
Ciccio
> Ciccio, your obsession to gainsay the obvious is almost unbelievable,
And that from a freak who lives in Bizarro Bozo world, where it's
perfectly OK to sexually torture children and trade photos of
same...And he wonders why he's heading for prison...Earth to Bozo!
Heh. Now, I know why you call yourself Bozo. You're like one of those
Bozo Bop clowns one punches in the nose and it comes right back for
more...Come on back now, ya hear!
Ciccio
Stratum101
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:13:05 GMT, sfdavidka...@yahoo.com (David Kaye)
> wrote:
>
> >There are some partisans who consider only symphonic and chamber music to be
> >"serious". It's a class issue, more than likely, because the landed gentry
> >would always go out to such concerts in order to show their wealth to others.
>
> This is the first time that I have been lumped into the "landed
> gentry". Yes, the Schnitzers, Zidells, et al (take your pick of the
> "endowers" at Portland State) are, but we revolve in different
> circles.
It's snowing in Dallas. The DSO has a Christmas Pops series
going on which I've been roped into attending this weekend.
Maybe they'll play that classic "Rudolph the Red-Nosed
Reindeer". Fort Worth, which never ceases to surprise,
has a top notch symphony orchestra which I've seen
four or five times at this gem of a place called
Bass Hall, also home of the quadrennial Van
Cliburn Piano Competition. The serious music
scene here is on the order of the Bay Area, but
not as good say as L.A. Nevertheless, a
talented fiddler can get a gig anywhere.
Ciccio
> Nevertheless, a talented fiddler can get a gig anywhere.
q.v.
http://www.andysteinmusic.com/
Ciccio
Stratum101
Yeah, now that's talent. My grandmother
played cello and cornet, but never at the
same time, as far as I know.
DonP
> On Nov 23, 7:45 am, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 6:47 am, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 8:44 pm, sfdavidka...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
> > > I wonder how many of Bernie's fiercest critics have given to any
> > > Thanksgiving charity.
>
> > Why only a Thanksgiving charity?...Don't be such a tightwad.
>
> > One thing is for sure, any organization that uses the pervert Ward as
> > a spokesman won't get penny one from me.
>
> > Ciccio
>
> QED. I knew I could lure scum like you out of your hole. Except for
> the other farts you keep company with here, you don't amount to shit.
> When it comes to measuring up, Bernie could be dead and buried behind
> walls and ceilings ten feet thick, and he's till cast a longer shadow
> at night than you could a hot summer day, you little piss ant.
So we'll just you down as ardent supporter of child porn and rape,
then.
You're as disgusting as your fat POS butt buddy in the joint.
Phil Kane
<j.co...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
>Could you give the address of the state supreme court chambers?
That's a booby-trap. I've been there......
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR
Stratum101
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:57:44 -0800 (PST), Stratum101
>
> >Could you give the address of the state supreme court chambers?
>
> That's a booby-trap. I've been there......
> --
I hope the experience wasn't *that* bad.
Phil Kane
<j.co...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
>> >Could you give the address of the state supreme court chambers?
>>
>> That's a booby-trap. �I've been there......
>> --
>
>I hope the experience wasn't *that* bad.
Not in the least. I was there at the invitation of the longtime Chief
Research Attorney, a childhood friend, who introduced me to Justice
Grodin.
My friend could have been nominated for a judgeship any time he wanted
and I always wondered why he never wanted one. Maybe he knew better.
:-)