Looks Like Marty Nemko Gets KGO Sunday 7-10pm
David Kaye
closing he said he'd be on Sundays 7 to 10pm.
I think this is one of the best choices KGO could have made. I've
followed Marty's talkshows since his early days 15+ years ago at KALW
when he made the shift from education talk to career talk. He has an
uncanny ability to cut to the chase on career issues, and is inspiring
in getting people to think in fresher ways about their careers.
Plus, it's one more step toward practical talkradio and away from the
endless political stuff the other talkshow hosts tend to do.
Congrats to KGO!
gvk...@yahoo.com
Well OK, but how can he ever replace Karel....... I'll withhold
judgment until I hear him sing along to the bumper music.
BTW, am I the only one who, for years, used to get the names Marty
Nemko and Matthew Lesko mixed up?
leansto...@democrat.com
It's ironic that I heard Marty and switched it off. I think his
solutions are a bit simplistic. However, given that the economy will
suck big time for at least 3 years, he will certainly have no shortage
of callers. That assumes his show will be on job placement.
Bhairitu
He is also a bit naive about certain areas too such as the tech
industry. He's seems to be more theory than experience. My question
would be has he ever had to actually look for a job or better yet hire
people to understand how it is from the other side of the desk?
Craf...@aol.com
Ciccio
Craf...@aol.com
if he helps people find actual jobs..it'll be a very good thing..yes?
Ciccio
> if he helps people findl actual jobs..it'll be a very good thing..yes?
Yes, for sure. Though if that's going to be the extent of his show, I
probably won't be listening very much. Not that I think he'll be a bad
host. It's just that my last job was about 25 years ago. Also, I've
never done a job resume in my life.[knock wood].
Ciccio
John Higdon
<8cebc37d-17b4-4b1d...@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Ciccio <franc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes, for sure. Though if that's going to be the extent of his show, I
> probably won't be listening very much. Not that I think he'll be a bad
> host. It's just that my last job was about 25 years ago. Also, I've
> never done a job resume in my life.[knock wood].
I have never participated in the job market, either. I've helped others
with their resumés (experience based upon reading a gazillion of them),
and have orchestrated some successful interviews, but I've never had the
pleasure for myself.
The technical side of broadcasting (where the real work gets done) is a
tight-knit community. Few "job experts" have any comprehension of the
nature of the work, what employers look for in an applicant, or even
what constitutes basic qualifications.
Marty sounds literate and knowledgeable, but I suspect that I would
seldom, if ever, find his topics relevant.
--
John Higdon
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Bhairitu
A doctorate can be highly theoretical. I used to scare college computer
science profs because I could easily expose their lack of real world
experience. Most of them only knew Pascal and I was developing
commercial programs in C++. They were WAY behind the curve. Nemko
seems to be highly creative but he may not have ideas that will really
work. I think last night in the brief amount of time I listened I had
already thought once "nope, that's not the way that market works."''But
maybe his "boundless enthusiasm" will help people get work. In some
cases it takes someone just looking at possibilities even unrealistic or
overly simplistic to motivate people who might otherwise see themselves
at a dead end.
john....@gmail.com
As someone that has worked for the KGO Engineering Dept I think I can
ask the following without sounding too defensive. What is the going
rate to sponsor a great sounding hour of silence? ;-)
JD
John Higdon
<e56f10eb-2cb1-425f...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
john....@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know. How much does the station get for spots run with the
transmitter off? :-)
For the record, what I was referring to about "the real work" was a
distinction between the engineers who go out and fix things vs the
engineers in suits who sit behind desks in corporate offices. I was not
referring to the production end of broadcasting. Those who know me know
that from a local production standpoint, I practically worship the
ground KGO walks on.
HCochet
how he tells people "what I want you to do is....."
It just sounds too cocky.
It would sound better if he said "maybe you ought to try...."
Who the heck is he to say "what I want you to do...."?
I don't like the idea of this same topic every Sunday night for ever.
I'm very lucky to have a full time job (in a grocery store). Yes, I'm
sorry that others are out of work. However, I don't want to heard
career counseling for those people. Once was OK, but not every week.
One thing that I really disliked was when a lady called to say that
her daughter was a victim of a violent crime and that she quit working
for 5 years to help the daughter get away from whoever did whatever to
her. At that point he cut her off and went to commercial. When he came
back, she was gone. We never got to hear her story. This idiot assumed
he knew the REAL reason she hadn't been working those last 5 years. He
had it figured out (so he thought) without talking to her. He accused
her of not wanting to work and that she was using the crime against
her daughter as a convenient excuse to be lazy. He had an analogy of
how his father was a victim of the Holocaust, but never talked about
it. The father said "The Nazi's took 5 years of my life, I'm not going
to give them one more minute"
OK, that's neat. Very nice story. But this idiot said the lady should
be like his dad. He said that without letting us hear her story. I
think there was more to it. She had said something about having to run
from the man who hurt the daughter. She did not say "I'm freaked out
and can't work". Where did they run to? Did they have to leave the
town? The state? The country? This idiot didn't listen. He just
accused her of being lazy. She should have been like his father he
said.
Also, I think he's probably lazy himself and instead of working he's
doing career counseling. I just don't think he can help that many
people. He reminds me of that lady who used to have informercials
about relationships. How to make them last forever. You know, the lady
who was divorced 4 times.
She had long black hair. Wore red a lot. Used to be on TV in the mid
1980's.
I just see no need for this kind of counseling. It's common sense. You
don't need to pay someone to tell you these things but some person
always figures out a way to get paid for it anyhow.
HCochet
John Higdon
<ff5aba47-9b22-43d3...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
HCochet <LWh...@aol.com> wrote:
> I only heard one show of his (Sunday) & I didn't like it. I don't like
> how he tells people "what I want you to do is....."
>
> It just sounds too cocky.
>
> It would sound better if he said "maybe you ought to try...."
>
> Who the heck is he to say "what I want you to do...."?
Oh, I don't know about that. If I hire a consultant, I think we're
beyond "maybe you ought to try". I want someone to say "you need to do
this". When I have been hired as a consultant, I figure they're paying
me to know what I'm doing and I'm not going to shake the client's
confidence with "maybes" and timid suggestions. He does what I say, or
we're wasting each other's time...and the client is wasting his money.
> Also, I think he's probably lazy himself and instead of working he's
> doing career counseling.
And you don't think that's work? Sometimes the hardest work is when
you're not actually working with your hands. I just spent the month of
December building a studio complex. Unfortunately, much of that time was
spent in an office dealing with suppliers, contractors, service
providers, and manipulating plans and drawings. I would MUCH rather have
been in the studios pulling and punching down cables, installing
equipment. THAT would have been at least relaxing.
> I just see no need for this kind of counseling. It's common sense. You
> don't need to pay someone to tell you these things but some person
> always figures out a way to get paid for it anyhow.
The name of the game is to find a need and fill it. If people are
willing to pay him to do that work, then you have a willing seller and
willing buyers. Your judgment in that case is irrelevant.
bayareab...@gmail.com
> > On Feb 15, 11:01 pm, David Kaye <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I just heard Dr. Marty Nemko (Career Talk) on KGO and as he was
> >> closing he said he'd be on Sundays 7 to 10pm.
>
> >> I think this is one of the best choices KGO could have made. I've
> >> followed Marty's talkshows since his early days 15+ years ago at KALW
> >> when he made the shift from education talk to career talk. He has an
> >> uncanny ability to cut to the chase on career issues, and is inspiring
> >> in getting people to think in fresher ways about their careers.
>
> >> Plus, it's one more step toward practical talkradio and away from the
> >> endless political stuff the other talkshow hosts tend to do.
>
> >> Congrats to KGO!
>
> > It's ironic that I heard Marty and switched it off. I think his
> > solutions are a bit simplistic. However, given that the economy will
> > suck big time for at least 3 years, he will certainly have no shortage
> > of callers. That assumes his show will be on job placement.
>
> He is also a bit naive about certain areas too such as the tech
> industry. He's seems to be more theory than experience.
One caller said he worked as an engineer in the valley and Nemko
said,
"Well, you must be very smart since the tech companies hire only the
best of the best."
That is nonsense.
The guy is out of touch.
leansto...@democrat.com
Engineer. Say you narrow it to semiconductors (hey, it's Silicon
Valley) and jobs requiring a minimum BSEE:
1) Design Engineer
2) Test Engineer
3) Product Engineer
4) FA Engineer
5) Applications Engineer
6) QA Engineer
7) Process Engineer
Do you think Marty can explain FA versus QA, or Product versus Test?
Congrats to KGO for thinking slightly out of the box, but I just don't
see this being a winner unless they get the on-line job companies to
sponsor it. That is, they might be able to make it a financial winner,
but not great radio.
Contrast this with Len Tillem. Some of those callers have great
stories. Len is good radio. ["Tell me about that no good two timing
husband of your..."] Marty is boring. I turn him off even when Ronn is
there to juice it up.
Now I'm not opposed to radio that isn't entertaining, or overtly so. I
had Forum on today for the interview with Phillip Glass. Not exactly
Howard Stern style entertainment. However, it was interesting to hear
he wrote "Einstein on the Beach" while working as a cab driver. Or
that Ira Glass is his cousin.
David Kaye
> Nemko
> seems to be highly creative but he may not have ideas that will really
> work. I think last night in the brief amount of time I listened I had
> already thought once "nope, that's not the way that market works."''But
> maybe his "boundless enthusiasm" will help people get work.
I agree that book learnin' by itself is a poor substitute for real
world experience. When I hired software developers I found that the
best folks were not the people with the degrees but those who wrote
programs as a hobby. However, there is something to be said about the
*structure* that can come from taking some courses in one's
profession.
For instance, at CSM I learned how to "figure-8" a mic cord -- wrap
the first turn overhand, the second underhand, etc., so that you can
throw the thing across the room and it uncoils perfectly flat without
twists. This is something nobody in real-world radio or TV
broadcasting knew anything about, nor cared to learn, even though it's
an extremely useful skill to have.
As to Marty Nemko, I'll admit that being an entrepreneur, he probably
is largely theoretical. But I've known a couple people who have used
his advice and it worked. And on the show a couple people called in
to say good things about his advice as well.
What I like is that he helps people to think outside the typical job
hunt paradigm. Job hunting can be brutal I'm told. Surely there are
lots of people out there who can use some new ideas on job hunting and
career changes.
David Kaye
> "Well, you must be very smart since the tech companies hire only the
> best of the best."
>
> That is nonsense.
Or he was being a coach, giving a pep talk to the guy. I heard the
exchange and that's what I got from it. People aren't encouraged to
hear, "Well, you got a high tech job when they needed somebody and you
were young enough and cheap enough to qualify." What kind of help
would that kind of comment be, even if it is the truth?
john....@gmail.com
Quite a bit (for a period of time).
> For the record, what I was referring to about "the real work" was
...and for the record I just couldn't resist taking it out of context
and giving you s***. Sorry I had to dump myself there.
JD
David Kaye
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> Contrast this with Len Tillem. Some of those callers have great
> stories. Len is good radio. ["Tell me about that no good two timing
> husband of your..."] Marty is boring. I turn him off even when Ronn is
> there to juice it up.
I absolutely love Len Tillem's style; I can't think of anybody on the
air locally or nationally that can beat him as a slap in the face with
a cold wet towel. He's got it all -- timing, knowing when to cut to
the chase, when to move on, how far to go with the language and the
inuendo before backing off.
As to Marty Nemko, his style is definitely lacking. But, the guy is
brilliant, and he does enjoy a spectacular satisfaction rate from his
clients.
David Kaye
> Who the heck is he to say "what I want you to do...."?
>
When people call in for free advice I see nothing wrong with them
being told "What I want you to do is..." If someone I didn't know met
me at a party and offered the same line, I'd consider it rude and move
on.
> I don't like the idea of this same topic every Sunday night for ever.
I didn't think Len Tillem's show would wear well, either, but it does
seem to do so. When you look at it, it's even narrow than Marty
Nemko's. When you break it down, Len's callers are usually talking
about (1) their son being arrested for drunk driving, (2) their
neighbor hacking away at their willow tree, or (3) adults fighting
over the parent's will. Len's answer is usually (1) don't sure, (2)
never sue your parents, (3) if you're arrested, plead not guilty and
ask for a public defender. And yet he makes it into good radio.
> Also, I think he's probably lazy himself and instead of working he's
> doing career counseling.
Where did you get the idea that building your own business was being
"lazy"? It's far harder to be an entrepreneur than to just go in to
work each day and try not to get laid off.
> I just don't think he can help that many
> people.
He does and he has.
> I just see no need for this kind of counseling. It's common sense. You
> don't need to pay someone to tell you these things but some person
> always figures out a way to get paid for it anyhow.
Common sense is not common. It must be learned. Many people do not
have the knowledge about this stuff.
Okay, here's an example: job fairs. What do people think job fairs
are about? Most people think they're about matching jobs with
employees. That's not the case at all. Job fairs are held simply so
that large corporations can put on their EEOC filings that they went
to various neighborhoods and cities to solicit resumes from various
people of differing racial and ethnic backgrounds. Many, if not most
companies at job fairs aren't even actively looking for employees.
They just need to show that they made an "effort" to recruit
minorities, old folks, etc.
Now, you and I can both think about this and call it "common sense"
that this is what job fairs are for, but that's only because we know
something about how this job thing works. Most people don't, and will
continue time and again to go about job hunting in all the wrong ways.
leansto...@democrat.com
I forgot the buzzword, but I think in advertising they refer to
"continuity", which has to do with the verification of spots being
aired. I think billing for dead air might run up an expensive legal
bill.
Fidelity or programming? Well, programming wins of course. How many
listeners did KGO lose when they ran IBOC? IBOC screws up the analog
fidelity, but a little bandwidth limiting isn't going to make me
listen to some obscure FM radio station in Pleasanton, which might
have better fidelity. ;-)
That garbage on 610 comes in nice and clear, but is anyone really
listening?
leansto...@democrat.com
I'm sure you heard Bill Handel (sp) on the law. One word: Arsehole.
OK, two words: Boring Arsehole.
I've heard a few other guys do law on the radio. They sound as
exciting as sitting in a university lecture hall. Len is good.
Len had a hell of a call today. Some guy sees a notebook computer in a
dumpster and takes it home. He rigs up a power supply (probably a
universal, since those come with the tips you need for many notebooks)
and fires it up. He goes on line. Now the rest of the story. The cops
come to the house with a warrant for a stolen notebook. It seems the
notebook had a GPS tracking scheme. When it was put on line, it phoned
home and gave it's location.
I've turned in "found property" to the cops all the time. It is a bit
time consuming because you get a million questions from the cops. What
you can't do is just take stuff you find without reporting it. Anyway,
returning stuff is good karma.
With lost cell phones, I do my own detective work and return them.
People freak without their phone.
leansto...@democrat.com
At a certain level, you do need a computer science degree to be a good
programmer. Take Cadence for example. Their software, though not
billed as such, really comes under what CS types call "expert
systems". This is borderline artificial intelligence.
John Higdon
<607900a3-da2f-47cf...@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
"leansto...@democrat.com" <leansto...@democrat.com> wrote:
> I forgot the buzzword, but I think in advertising they refer to
> "continuity", which has to do with the verification of spots being
> aired. I think billing for dead air might run up an expensive legal
> bill.
No, those are called "affidavits". Continuity is the scheduling of the
spots.
> Fidelity or programming? Well, programming wins of course. How many
> listeners did KGO lose when they ran IBOC? IBOC screws up the analog
> fidelity, but a little bandwidth limiting isn't going to make me
> listen to some obscure FM radio station in Pleasanton, which might
> have better fidelity. ;-)
Well, I guess that tells ME, doesn't it! I'm terribly wounded. The sound
of the stations would no doubt be wasted on your ear, anyway.
> That garbage on 610 comes in nice and clear, but is anyone really
> listening?
You're dredging up an artificial debate. My job at a radio station is to
make it reliable and make it sound good. Other people are responsible
for attracting listeners. That's *their* job. Still others sell the
advertising...and yep...they are are just concerned about bringing in
those checks.
KGO is a station that both sounds good and has compelling programming.
The people at KGO do a damned good job. I suffer no diminishment by
acknowledging others in this industry who are damned good at what they
do.
David Kaye
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> At a certain level, you do need a computer science degree to be a good
> programmer. Take Cadence for example. Their software, though not
> billed as such, really comes under what CS types call "expert
> systems". This is borderline artificial intelligence.
In the case of AI, it certainly helps to have a fundamental background
in logic, which is not something most people learn as a hobby. But
even AI can be learned as a hobby without the "book learnin'". That
said, I'll reiterate the importance of structure. In programming, the
people with the degrees tend to leave better organized comments than
the hobbyists do, so that whoever comes after them can interpret
what's going on much better.
David Kaye
<leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
> I'm sure you heard Bill Handel (sp) on the law. One word: Arsehole.
> OK, two words: Boring Arsehole.
The only Bill Handel I have heard is the guy who does ads for
something or other. He comes across as a jerk with a bad case of
constipation. He sounds like one of those guys who promotes the Sears
Point races or the spa sales at the Cow Palace.
> I've heard a few other guys do law on the radio. They sound as
> exciting as sitting in a university lecture hall. Len is good.
This is why I suggested several years ago that Len would be a good
choice to do a general talkshow. I honestly didn't think his lawyer-
talk would work 6 days a week. Apparently it does.