Silveira, De Silva Family
Joy Hughes
Cheri Mello
I have no answers to your questions. But I see errors or typos in your theory.
What year was Agostinho Silveira born? You have him being born after his own marriage and after the birth of all his children.
You have his first child born before his marriage. Are you sure? Manuel b. 1848 but your Agostinho m. Maria Malaisala in 1852. It did happen, but just checking to see if it was a typo.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
Katharine
expand your inquiry by asking if anyone here knows how common it was
for mid-19th century Azorean men going to sea to sail the South
Pacific (as opposed to the Atlantic, or along the US West Coast up to
Alaska)? See this excerpt of an obituary for Manuel M. Noronha, from
the 5 Dec. 1929 Benicia [CA.] "Herald":
"Mr. Noronha was born on the Island of St. George, Azores, December
16, 1844.* In 1864 he left his home to follow a seafaring life and
arrived at Bedford [sic], Massachusetts in August, from which place he
embarked for a sea voyage of more than four years. Returning to
Bedford [sic] in 1869 he shipped shortly after for San Francisco and
arrived there in 1872 after having been in Australia, New Zealand, and
around Cape Horn twice, South Sea Islands, Hawaiian Islands and Guam."
* He was in fact born a year earlier.
Anyone have any ideas or info re how common such an itinerary was
then? Katharine.
onemst
| Well Katherine, I can tell you a part of my mystery was solved when I went to Ellis Island Archives and found that my father Manuel DaSilva had actually been a cook at least on 3 voyages. I have also found him on the Pacific Coast but am not sure. One voyage was when he went to Spain to get his brother Arthur who returned with him as a crew member. Funny thing I had always remembered my father in a suit and tie, but he walked with a sailors swagger, was a wonderful cook, seemed to have a ready cure for almost anything, and had a heart tatoo on his arm. I also remember him getting into an argument with my Uncle Arthur who had communist newspapers in his home. This was during The Macarthy Error and the "Black Lists" and Spain was a communist country when my dad brought him here. Dad was born in Rio de
Janeiro, but his family was originally from Lisbon. I learned that along with the exportation of coffee, that the diamond trade had lured many Potuguese to Brazil. I can remember Dad talking to an old man from Macaw, Africa about diamonds. The man was very dignified and had a gold ring that was a lions head with a huge diamond in it's mouth. Although something like that can be common today, this took place some 60 years ago. It's great fitting these pieces of my memory into this puzzle. Barbara T. --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Katharine <katharin...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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John Vasconcelos
My maternal grandfather, Jose Joaquim de Freitas, (b 24 Jan 1852, Fajazinha, Flores) left Flores in 1869 as a crew member on a whaling ship. At some point, he ended up in Alaskan waters and his ship was caught in the "big freeze" in the early 1870s in which many whaling ships were caught in the ice and crushed. His ship was fortunate to survive and escape. I have no idea what ship(s) he served on but I would guess that his journey probably took him first to New Bedford, then around the horn of South America, then north to Alaskan waters. At some point, probably coming back from Alaska, he jumped ship, worked in San Francisco, then onto the gold country where he got his US citizenshp in Sonora County in 1873. Being a prospector apparently wasn't his calling because he then got a job herding sheep in the San Joaquin valley for Henry Miller (of Miller & Lux) before eventually having a herd of his own.
The time lines are so close, wonder if they ever crossed paths. Somebody need to invent a time machine that works.
Regards,
John Vasconcelos
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Hi Joy,
It appears that you have located my documentation somewhere of my great-grandfather Jose Henriques Silveira and his wife Dona Carlota Joaquina Alcantara e Silveira. She was also his first cousin. They married after Jose Henriques returned to Faial in 1863 from a 29-year tour of service in Brazil. He had been involved in silver mining and the export of Mahogany and other fine woods while there.
Dona Carlota Joaquina Alcantara was born Jun 15, 1818 in Sao Salvador, Horta, Faial. She also died there on Apr 08, 1882. Her mother, my 2nd great- grandaunt, was Francisca Joaquina born Feb 13, 1796 and died Jul 29, 1868 in Santa Catarina, Castelo Branco, Faial. Francisca Joaquina had Dona Carlota Joaquina after an affair with a Calholic Priest. He appears now to have possibly been your great-great grandfather, Agostinho Silveira. Everything else seems to fit my family’s account of the story. My family account did reflect that he was a Spanish Priest , but I believed this to be inaccurate, no one really knew who he was.
Emil
Emil Silveira
Priest?
Joy Hughes
& USA)
My questions are:
Spanish
Priest?
Regards,Joy Hughes
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Jose Henriques da Silveira's second wife, Ignacia Florinda da Silva, is the sister of Manuel Pereira da Silva who is my husband, Bob's, great-grandfather. You knew that, Emil, I don't know if Joy knew it.
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Joy Hughes
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Hi Joy,
I am no expert but in my research I have found that many people hold information back due to feeling ashamed of what will come out of the closet. These people are not really doing genealogy and only hinder the process. History is what ever it is, and history books should not give false information or be diluted because the truth offends someone. Genealogy in my opinion should be none judgmental. In most if not all families you will find those things considered upsetting, but they are the truth. Many “Brick Walls” could have doors put into them if people simply eliminated the shame and judgmental factors. I am glad you want to do genealogy, so let’s see where we go from here. I am very happy to know you and Lionel. I have attached a picture of Dot and I, as well as that of Jose Henriques Silveira, taken from a locket worn by my paternal grandmother Eduarda Henriques Silveira his daughter, a picture of my great- grandmother Inacia Florinda, who was his housekeeper, they never married but Jose Henriques was acknowledged legally for all the children he had with her in a Perfilhicao Document, and lastly a picture of Dona Carlotta’s headstone is also attached. If you send me a copy of your genealogy report directly to my e-mail address, I will then send you both my father’s Ancestry and Descendants Reports.
I do have three individuals named Agostinho Silveira in my files so far.
Agostinho Silveira married to Maria Inacia. on Nov 13, 1806 both born and married in Santissima Trindade, Capelo, Faial. Maria is my 1st cousin 5 times removed.
2. Agostinho Silveira born Aug 15, 1733, married to Rosa Maria born Sep 22, 1737 both born in Santa Barbara, Cedros, Faial, but married Feb 17, 1760 in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Topo, Sao Jorge. Agostinho is my 4th cousin 5 times removed. Rosa is my 2nd cousin 7 times removed and also my wife’s 4th cousin 6 times removed.
3. Agostinho Raulino Silveira born Dec 21, 1869 married to Mariana Luisa born Dec 19, 1872 they married on Jul 30, 1910 in Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge where they both were born. Mariana Luisa is my 12th cousin 4 times removed and also my wife’s 11th cousin 4 times removed.
Best Regards