Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

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Analytic Advantage

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May 21, 2019, 11:31:13 AM5/21/19
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Hey all,

After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in Mexico.

These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  


1. 

Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my great-great-great-great-grandfather)
Wife I: Unknown
Wife II: Unknown
Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 1852 ish
Profession: Carpenter

2. 

Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
Born Almagreira, Santa Maria
Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in Urzelina

I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really

3.

Maria De Lordes Dias
Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).

I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in group ohotos, so you never know.

Thanks!!








Cheri Mello

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May 21, 2019, 11:38:20 AM5/21/19
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Hi Analytic (??),

This is a do-it-yourself group, where we help each other out. Many of us had to learn how to translate (well, bumble our way) through the records and many of us have become quite proficient and can help others now.

The how to do it yourself is here on the Azores. You want chapter 3a:
I'd go through Tombo.pt to navigate the Azorean vital records site (Centro de Conhecimento dos Acores or CCA). tombo.pt. Click the British flag in the upper right corner if you need to navigate in English.

If you are not interested in doing it yourself, you can hire a researcher. That is your decision to make. You have the names, dates, and places, which are the 3 key pieces that they need. The Azores GenWeb also has a list of researchers for hire:

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Rosemarie Capodicci

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May 21, 2019, 11:56:05 AM5/21/19
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Analytic (please sign your name!)
I checked the Sao Jorge Marriage Index and found the marriage for Joao Severino de Sequeira and Maria Severina da Mota on 20 May 1880 Image #5 in Urzelina. Go to Tombo.pt and navigate the Azores, Sao Jorge, Urzelina and you will find Joao & Maria's marriage with parents listed. 
 
Rosemarie
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


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Rosemarie Capodicci

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Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index, Death Indexes and many other resources. 

Rosemarie
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Analytic Advantage

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May 21, 2019, 12:07:00 PM5/21/19
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Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get a clear look
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Rosemarie Capodicci

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His parents are Antonio M ---- It may be Machado? and Thereza (Teresa) Vicenzia (Vicensia) and he's 36 and from Lages do Island of Pico. You can go to ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias and see if you can bring up her name and see who is listed as her husband. 
Maria's parents Manuel Jose da Camara and Francisca Josefa da Motos (per the SJ marriage index). 
Rosemarie
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Rosemarie Capodicci

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May 21, 2019, 12:40:40 PM5/21/19
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Sorry, Francisca Josefa is da Matos! 

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

Analytic Advantage

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May 21, 2019, 1:37:10 PM5/21/19
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I really, really appreciate this

Rosemarie Capodicci

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May 21, 2019, 2:34:41 PM5/21/19
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Well, it gives you places to start. The Pico site can be searched in English, just click on the British flag on the search page. The Azores docs are in Portuguese but they follow a pattern. Go to the AzoresGenWeb site here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ and use the resources to learn how to use the church records. 

Rosemarie
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William Seidler

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May 21, 2019, 4:37:04 PM5/21/19
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Hello,


Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more after that.  Here is their marriage:

Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.

Bill Seidler

William Seidler

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May 21, 2019, 5:38:17 PM5/21/19
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I just checked Zulmira's baptism which says her father is natural of Almagreira, Ilha do Pico (Not Santa Maria).  This agrees with the marriage that Rosemarie found because Almagreira is a locality within the parish of Lajes.  This is different than the Almagreira on Santa Maria which is a parish.

Bill Seidler

Analytic Advantage

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May 22, 2019, 9:06:53 PM5/22/19
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I have a book on Urzelina/Velas history written by the Urzelina Sociedade.  I'll take some pictures, I should still have your email.

Cheri Mello

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May 22, 2019, 9:10:10 PM5/22/19
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Analytic,

If that book is under copyright, you may NOT post the images to this list. What you personally do with it is none of my business. However, since this is a public list/forum/entity, I must speak up as the listowner and let you know that copying books or portions thereof may be in violation of copyright laws. Please do not post them to this list.
Thanks for understanding,
Cheri Mello
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Lisa

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May 22, 2019, 10:11:28 PM5/22/19
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I understand not copying from the book to post, but would you mind sharing the title of the book?  I’m very interested in whatever information might be in that book.  GGGrandparent from Urzelina, Sao Jorge.

Lisa Vierra Turrentine

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Cheri Mello

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May 22, 2019, 10:37:08 PM5/22/19
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The book title, author, published date, publisher, ISBN, etc is fine. Just not copying entire pages and posting to this list.
Thanks for understanding,
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Gustavo Martins

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May 22, 2019, 11:00:58 PM5/22/19
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Please, does this book cite the name Francisco Pereira Cabral, he was a military officer (alferes) in the first half of the 1700s. 

Thank you for any info you can provide.


Gustavo Martins


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JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

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Thank you Cheri for double checking the legalities.  I’ve appreciated twice in the past when you stopped me from making the same mistake. I’m not sure I know what is allowed completely, but it helps that you know. 

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