1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel

[Bill Seidler]

Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html

Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:

Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644

Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife Isabel Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça

Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias ???? and his wife Maria Alvares, moradores of this parish

Thanks,

Bill Seidler

[Cheri Mello]

HI Bill,

The groom's mom.....the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from the line above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but it's spelled Mores?

Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.

You have the rest right.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Bill Seidler]

Thanks Cheri...I see what you mean about the line above.  Could it be Nunes?

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:53:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

HI Bill,

The groom's mom.....the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from the line above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but it's spelled Mores?

Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.

You have the rest right.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:59 PM Bill Seidler <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote:

Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html

Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:

Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644

Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife Isabel Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça

Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias ???? and his wife Maria Alvares, moradores of this parish

Thanks,

Bill Seidler

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[JR]

Yes, I think it is Nunes. The mark before the N comes from the above P in Lopes. And Manoel Dias Surdo.

JR

[Bill Seidler]

Thanks.  In this case scribble-scrabble = Surdo, which is also a name I don't recall seeing before.

I appreciate the help!

Bill

[JR]

Surdo e mudo means deaf and mute, so perhaps he was deaf. 

JR

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

 

The surname may include Surdo, not necessarily that he was surdo.  The Mother is Isabel Nunes Nordelo.

 

I checked Tavares Silva tree and he has this couple, he included Surdo as part of the surname.  Have a look.

 

https://gw.geneanet.org/tavaressilva?iz=8&n=nordelo&oc=0&p=francisco+lopes

 

Margaret

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[Bill Seidler]

Thanks to all.  Where might I find records for Porto Formoso residents prior to 1695?

Bill

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[Cheri Mello]

What exists can be found through Tombo.pt.

Before that time, you'd have to rely on the work of Frutuoso, Rodrigo Rodrigues, etc. And they more likely did prominent families.

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

Generally, you should look in Fenais da Ajuda or Ribeira Grande for anything pre-1700 for Porto Formoso. Occasionally, you will see connections to Vila Franca and Povoacao or Faial da Terra.

JR