Mourato from Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi everyone I would like help in finding any info. on my relatives,
they were from Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel, Azores, my ggfather went to
Hawaii in late 1800's he went in the Soulfolk ship along with my
ggrandmother Maria Isabel, their son Evaristo, Mariano, Daniel. My
grandmother Maria Isabel was born in Maui, in Hawaii, they all returned
to Ribeirinha in Sao Miguel, later my ggfather returned to Hawaii or
California alone never to be herd or seen again. My guncle Evaristo
also imigrated, I don't know if he went to S. Francisco, California.
Please post any information about them, I do have relatives in
California, or somewhere in the USA. Mourato is not a very common
surname it should be easy, I hope. thanks Ana

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Ana,

 

You can also check the "passaportes" LEAVING Sao Miguel.  They are up to the spring of 1903 and can be found here: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/neg/  However, please note that Sao Miguel island does have gaps where there are no records.

 

Sincerely,

Cheri Mello

--
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hello Ana,

I have extracted the marriages from Ribeirinha from 1840-1883 and have
not come across that name. I was looking at my copy of Guill and it is
not listed there as well the closest Guill has is "Mourao". The closest
I have in my records is "Moreira" That is not to say the name was
changed along the immigration way. If you need to check any marriages
for Santissimo Salvador in Ribeirinha 1840- 1883 I can check.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA

A decendant of:
Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha
From Sao Miguel, Acores

[tony costa]

thanks for your information, I remember my aunt telling me that my
ggrandparents were from Rabo de Peixe, or Ribeira Grande. Ribeirinha was the
place my ggrandmother went to live upon returning from Hawaii, my guncle
Mariano, my grandmother Maria Isabel Mourato lived na rua do Porto, rua dos
Moinhos until their death.

[tony costa]

thank you. I think I rec'd pages sometime ago with their names I'm going to get those to see which page their names are listed.

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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:28 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Mourato from Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel

[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 6/5/2006 7:16:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rpim...@peoplepc.com writes:

Hello Ana,

I have extracted the marriages from Ribeirinha from 1840-1883 and have
not come across that name. I was looking at my copy of Guill and it is
not listed there as well the closest Guill has is "Mourao". The closest
I have in my records is "Moreira" That is not to say the name was
changed along the immigration way. If you need  to check any marriages
for Santissimo Salvador in Ribeirinha 1840- 1883 I can check.

There are Mouratos in Rabo de Peixe.

[Ronnie French]

Tony: one of my family names that I am researching is: (da) Costa from Sao
Miguel, San Jose, Angra, Ponta Delgado. Any connections? or did I ask you
this question before?
Ronnie

[Linda Norton]

My 2nd cousin Dulce Borges Tavares is married to Antonio da Costa from Sao
Miguel. He just lost his father a fews months ago. I can find out if there
is any connection.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

[Ronnie French]

Thanks, Here is the what I know of the da Costa's from there:

In 1883 aboard the ship the S.S. Albergeldie, Jacinto da Costa, a carpenter,
who was living on Alegria Street, San Jose, Diocese of Angra, Ponta Delgado,
Sao Miguel and his wife, Mariana, called Marie, Luciana Lororio da Costa,
immigrated to Hawaii with their four children. The children: Manuel born
4/17/1869, Jacinto born 3/6/1872, Maria, called Mary Wilhemina born 8/1875
and Baptized 8/20/1875 (also my ggrandmother), and Paulo born 1878. All
assumed to be born in the same parish.

It is difficult, for me, to interpret my ggrandmother's baptismal
certificate but I think the following is correct (this means that below are
Mary W.'s grandparents): (If it is not correct, then the people below are
the grandparents of Jacinto (Sr)and Mariana).

The father's mother is: Lorianna Joaquina. The Father's father is Manuel da
Costa, Sr.

The mother's mother is: Francisca Candida. The mother's father is Manuel
Francisco Liborio.

All are purported to be from San Jose.

It would be great to find some connections because I know that Manuel and
his wife Adelaide made a trip to Maderia (where Adelaide do Espirito Santo
da Costa is from) and Sao Miguel (where Manuel is from) and mainland
Portugal after WW II, about 1948/9 or so. They both visited relatives. I
also suspect that they may have helped their son, Charles (Charlie) and his
wife, Marie adopt a male child from one of those locations.

Some other names that may or may not fit in: "My sister Angela", Clothilde
Angela Correia and Maria Paula Correia, Mrs. Aguiar.

I also have lots of pictures from the old country in the 18??s that I'd like
to ID at some point in time.

Thanks for any and all your help.

[tony costa]

I'm Costa from my dad's side he was from Porto, north of Portugal, my
maternal grandmother was Costa she was from Sao Jose, Sao Pedro in Ponta
Delgada Sao Miguel, she passed away last April she was 92 years old. I don't
know much about her family I still have uncles alive....

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Please check. Many thanks, Ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

My ggrandfather when applied for a passport it has his name, my
ggrandmother's name, their sons, Evaristo, Mariano and Daniel, 9 mths
old. My aunts didn't recall a Daniel, also when they boarded the ship
Daniel was not included, did he die? My grandmother Maria Isabel was
born in Maui I assume in the late 1800's (1880's-1890's), she was named
after her maternal grandmother, my grandmother married Honorio Felix
Rodrigues, nickname (Fagote) meaning a a happy, funny person,
Her name was Maria Isabel Mourato Rodrigues, mind you that sometimes
they changed the names around, I heard several times her name also
being Maria Isabel Rodrigues Mourato, back then they didn't have to use
their names many times, so whenever asked the confusion ocurred, they
were also called by their "apelidos" nick names. Now I remember my aunt
told me that my great grandparents were from Rabo de Peixe, and I
recall that being listed in the place of origin in one of the lists...

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

I don't want to stray away from my search, but I am curious I do have
cousins with a last name Pimentel, they are from Faja de Baixo, Sao
Miguel, Acores. One was the president of the town for several years,
until last elections, are you related to those in Faja de Baixo?
And yes please check on my great grandparents, for years I've been
wanting to know, I know a little now, I find it very interesting the
fact that I am the youngest of their ''bisneta" greatgranddaughter from
their youngest granddaughter (my mom), from their youngest daughter
(Maria Isabel)? I just have this strong feeling that I must know their
history...with your help and anybody, a relative perhaps, anything
would be so much appreciated. Thanks.

Ana

[Ronnie French]

Tony, as I get further into the Costa side from Sao Miguel, if I find
anything I'll let you know. Do you know the name of your maternal
grandmother? or even your mother's maiden name, date and place of birth?
If I have them as a reference, I will be sure to check for them as a
relative. I can also check with the Costa's that I do know now.

[tony costa]

Her name was Maria do Carmo da Costa Tavares, when she became a widow she
used Costa as her surname, she was born in August 1914, she was 92 just this
April when she passed away, I believe she was from calheta in Ponta Delgada,
by the shore, I think its called Sao Pedro de Ponta Delgada.

[Ronnie French]

Okay, I'll look out for her in my research. But, my da Costa's left in
1883, so this would likely be a cousin or married to a cousin.

[Shirley Allegre]

Ana: What is the name of your ggfather who went to Hawaii with his wife
Maria Isabel, and
their children Evaristo, Mariano, & Daniel.
You said that they were on the ship SUFFOLK.
The SUFFOLK arrived in Hawaii on 24 Aug 1881. There were 217 passenger
Register Nos.
(They only used one number for each family.)

I looked through the info for the passengers but I couldn't find any woman
with the names
of the children that you have listed.

If I had the name of your ggfather, I would probably be able to find them.

Shirley

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[Shirley Allegre]

Ana: Hi again. I just found this in Bob De Mello's book

Ship Suffolk
MOURATO, Manual Tavares age 25
Father: deceased
Mother: Maria Izabel
FROM Rabo de Peise
WIFE: Julia da Glora, age 34
CHILDREN:
Everisto 3
Daniel 11 months

This is what I found in CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUTAL EM HAWAII,
registrations

Ship: SUFFOLK. 24 August 1881
Passenger # 646 Manuel Tavares Murado,age 25
SPOUSE: Julia da Gloria
CHILDREN
Emilia 3
Daniel 1 year
FROM: Ribeira Grande

I think these are probably your people, but it sure is confusing.

Shirley

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[tony costa]

Hi Shirley,

these are the people, thanks very much, its so great to find a link, it
makes sure that indeed they existed, anyway I'm so excited, hope you
understand. thanks very much, is there anything else, can I get a copy of
this information, please? How do I go about getting the book. How can I
follow up when my ggrandpa went back, I think the second time he went to
California or someplace else and not Hawaii. Where else can I research, the
plantation they went to, was my grandma Maria Isabel registered there in
Maui, and my great uncle Mariano, they both were born there.

THanks alot,

Regards Ana

[Shirley Allegre]

Hi Ana: I will send you a copy of the info. Would you send me your name
and address so that I can do that.

You can not get Bob De Mello's book. It is out of print.
There is a film for the CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUTAL EM HAWAII. But I will
make a copy of the
page for you.

I will look on ancestry.com and see if I can find your Maria Isabel and
Mariano MOURATO on the Hawaiian
Census. What year were they registered there?

Please email me privately at shi...@psln.com

Who is Tony Costa (email address)? I have a lot of Costa in my lines from
Sao Miguel.

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Shirley,

I'm replying through here as well, about the Costa's, Ronnie French, he
posts here as well is also looking for Costa maybe he has information
to share with you.

Thanks,

Ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hello Richard,

I believe my grandmother, Maria Isabel Tavares Mourato was born in 1889
in Maui, Hawaii, she married Honorio Felix Rodrigues in Ribeirinha. Are
you able to check beyond 1883?
If so definetly my grandma and my greatuncles are all registered in
Ribeirinha.

Many thanks,

regards,
Ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Shirley,

Help please, is there a place called Marvi in Hawaii?

I looked at my mom's Birth Certificate in there lists my grandmother
Maria Isabel Tavares Mourato being born in Marvi, Sandwich, America do
Norte. Have you herd Marvi before? or it might be a translation error,
I looked at the map from Hawaii didn't see anything with that name,
maybe its Maui.

Many thanks,

Ana

[Shirley Allegre]

Hi Ana: I have no idea. Maybe my cousin Mel LaSalle can help you with
this.

Shirley
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[IslandRoutes]

I've never seen Marvi and it doesn't sound Hawaii, but then I've never
even been to the islands. LOL My first inclination is it's Maui and
the letters blending. Is it a Hawaiian birth cert?

Why don't you post this on the IslandRoutes Google Group? There are
several native born folks in that group and they should be able to tell
you if Marvi is a real place or not.

Mel
Site Manager, islandroutes.com

[tony costa]

Hello Mel,
I don't have my grandmother's birth certificate, its on my mother's birth
certificate that her mother's place of birth is in Marvi, Sandwich, North
America.

thanks,
ana

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[toz...@sympatico.ca]

there's a priest in Toronto, Canada. In Senhor Santo Cristo Church his
last name is Liborio, he was the priest for the place I was born, Faja
de Baixo, interesting enough he baptized me there, maybe he has links
to you...

ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hello Linda,

my paternal g grandmother was Borges from San Pedro in Ponta Delgada
Sao Miguel, do you have any information?

thanks,
ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Mel,

one more detail my mom was born in Ribeirinha so her birth cert. is
from there, maybe it has been misspelled?? Don't know...

[Beth Bell]

Hi Everybody,

 

I was reading our local paper this morning, and noticed the name of this fishery along our Oregon coast.  Portuguese names like this are common in CA, but not that common here in OR.....

 

Then, got an email from this naturpathic Dr. today, informing us of guess what...Carvalho Fisheries!!! 

 

Now, twice in one day is really something......so thought I'd pass this along to you.  If you would like to take a look at their website.....Bill Carvalho makes reference to his Azorean heritage.  The url is   www.carvalhofisheries.com  . 

 

Thought you all might be interested in what one fisherman of Azorean heritage has accomplished----it's very impressive!!

 

Kind regards,

Beth Barcellos Bell----whose ggrandfather was Antonio Carvalho Oliveira of Sao Miguel, Azores.......

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[Linda Norton]

Here is what I have on Borges - my mother's paternal side all from Sao
Miguel:

Manuel Borges Giesta b. 1885 Riberia Grande-NS da Estrella
m. 1910 to Maria do Espirito Santo Andrade b.1884 Arrifes-NS da Saude
dtr of Manuel Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues and Maria Gloria

Manuel Borges Giesta b. 1856 RG-NS da Conceicao
m. 1879 to Maria Rosa b.1859 RG-NS da Estrella
dtr of Joao de Medeiros and Albina Julia

Francisco Borges Giesta b. abt 1813 RG-NS da Conceicao
m. 1834 to Joaquina Rosa de Jesus RG-NS da Conceicao
dtr of Francisco Pacheco and Antonia de Jesus

Joao Borges Tavares b. abt. 1774 RG-NS da Conceicao
m. 1796 to Monica Jacinta de Jesus RG-NS da Conceicao
dtr of Manuel dos Santos Faria and Luzia de Medeiros
m. 1752 RG-NS da Conceicao
(son of Manuel da Faria and Maria de Paiva) &
(dtr of Luis Ferreira and Maria de Medeiros)
All from RG-NS da Conceicao

Jose Tavares b. abt. 1744 RG-NS da Conceicao
m. 1767 to Mariana Francisca RG-NS da Conceicao
dtr of Nicolao Francisco and Theresa Borges
both from RG-NS da Conceicao

Joao Rodrigues b. abt. 1720 RG-NS da Estrella
m. Maria dos Santos RG-NS da Estrella

This is as far back as I got. I hope this helps and would like to know if
anyone has a connection to any of these lines.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:31 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Mourato from Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel

[Ronnie French]

Hi:

I nearly had a heart attack when I spotted Maria do Espirito Santo Andrade
on your listing. However, my Maria do Espirito Santo was born May 10, 1877
in Santa Maria Major, which I think is in Maderia. In addition, she was 2
years old when she immigrated with Jose do Espirito Santo and Virginia
Augusta de Frietas Lopes aboard the Ravenscrag in 1879 to Honolulu, Kingdom
of Hawaii. Jose paid their way, they were not on contract for the
plantations. The ships logs indicate that Virginia was a companerio
(spelling ?). I have been told this may mean she was living with him and
not his wife.
However, there were 4 children on the ship, born in Maderia, and 4 born in
Hawaii.

It would be good if I could get the birth and/or baptismal certificates for
the 4 born in Maderia. It would help me sort out the blood lines, I hope.

If you think that she or any other do Espirito Santo may be related, please
let me know. I will do the same. Thanks,

Ronnie

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From: "Linda Norton" <linda...@comcast.net>
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[Linda Norton]

Was your Maria do Espirito Santo an Andrade? The middle names are just a
time frame of birth. Espirito Santo is during the month of May. Santo
isn't a last name, correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that a lot of families were shifted to different islands for many
reasons and we are somewhat connected by blood lines to those families. I
think the group feels differently about that, though.

I would say your line isn't connected because of the different island and
not having Andrade as a last name.

[Ronnie French]

Linda: No Maria, who was born on May 10, 1877 was not an Andrade, as far
as I know. I agree with you re: the connections but will abide by the
groups ideas because they too can be correct. I am sending the
"coincidence" emails just to let people know that there is a possible match.
I am keeping my own file folder of "possible matches", just in case I run
across anything myself. That way, if I do get a possible match, I will have
the name and email address of the person who sent the original email to the
group.

My gggrandfather, Jose do Espirito Santo was born in August. He had eight
children, Maria was one of four born in Maderia. The remaining were born in
Hawaii. All carried his last name or Anglicized it to Santos. However, I
do not know when his father, Antonio do Espirito Santo from Se' was born.
Nor do I know any further back from there. I am just beginning to research
the da Costa's from Sao Miguel, Azores and the do Espirito Santo's from
Funchal, Maderia.

A friend of mine who lives in Lisbon told me that often people were named do
Espirito Santo if they had an unknown father. The priest called them "of
the spirit of the Saint". In other words, God decided that they were to be
born. But, even if that is true, who knows how far back the unknown father
was. So, now there are two explanations. There are probably many more
depending on the era and the location.

Santo may not be a last name but my family used it either as:
"do Espirito Santo", such as, "Jose do Espirito Santo, Guitar, Violin and
Ukulele Maker",
"e". or "E", as a middle initial, such as, "August E. Santos",
and finally as "Santos", such as John Santos, my ggrandfather and my
grandmother's maiden name. John Santos was born Joao do Espirito Santo.

Thanks for the input. I will keep it all in mind. I didn't think the name
was used a lot either. The biggest problem I have is that I have to look up
each of the above names, including "d.e." because people filed documents
differently based on their perception of which word was the last name.

I hope we can keep in touch.

[Semperfimama]

Hi Everybody,

I emailed this to the list yesterday, but for some reason, it didn't
get posted---guess it's still out in cyberspace somewhere.....anyway,
thought I'd share the following with you guys----I think you'll find it
interesting:

[George Pacheco]

Hi Prima Beth i got the e-mail yesterday on the Carvalho Fisheries

[Linda White]

Thanks to the help of Joao Ventura, I have more names from Terceira I am researching.  Does anyone have information on these families from Doze Ribeiras, Quartro Ribeiras , Serreta and Altares?

 

Souza

Joaquina

Correia

Roza

Martins

Perpetua

Jacinta

Cotta

Maxima

Ormonde

Francisca

Cardoso

 

I have my fingers crossed that someone on our list of 200 is related and has information on at least one of these lines.

 

Thanks,

Linda White

[Theresa Entin]

Ancestors of Manuel Martins

 

Generation No. 1

1. Manuel Martins, born Abt. 1668 in Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores. He was the son of 2. Simão Martins and 3. Ursala Dias. He married (1) Julia Pereira November 14, 1688 in Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores. She was born Abt. 1668 in Nossa Senhora Conceição, Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores, and died in Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores. She was the daughter of Pedro Enes Almeida and Francisca Pereira. Pedro Enes Almeida married Beatriz Cotta, prior to this marriage.  I have not been able to find that marriage.

Generation No. 2

2. Simão Martins, born Abt. 1647 in (Checked for marriage from 1630 did not find here.)  He married 3. Ursala Dias Abt. 1667 in not found in Nossa Senhora Conceição, Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores.

3. Ursala Dias, born Abt. 1647.

Child of Simão Martins and Ursala Dias is:

1 i. Manuel Martins, born Abt. 1668 in Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores; married Julia Pereira November 14, 1688 in Angra do Heroismo, Terceira, Açores.

[Linda White]

Thank you Theresa for your information.  I am only back to about 1750 with Antonio Martins, married to Rosa Perpetua.  I will keep searching and hope I can tie in to your Manuel.

 

Thanks again,

Linda

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I was just working on my data base for Santissimo Salvador Churcn in
Ribeirinha and came across this marriage.

Manuel Taveres Mourato (Mariano Taveres Mourato & Maria Isabel) m Julia
Gloria(Parents Unk) on 18 Jan 1877 Book of marriages for 1877 marriage
number 3. It was filed under "T" so I did not fined it when I first
looked.

[Linda Norton]

Do you think Gloria is a last name? My ggrandmother is Maria Gloria but
from Arrifes, NS da Saude.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Linda,

The parents of Maria Gloria were not given so it would be any guess.
This was a name taken at marriage. Most likely she was a child of the
Rota.

What struck me were the names Maria Isabel and Mariano Mourato. It could
be that these are the same family that Ana was looking for just two
generations earlier. Names do tend to run in the same family.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA

A decendant of:
Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha
From Sao Miguel, Acores

[Linda Norton]

Thanks Rick.

I know you and I have some lines that are connected in Riberia Grande. I'd
have to look back, but it's Furtado and Borges.

FYI, my mother had a cousin who lived in Somerville, MA back in the
1950-1960's that we would go and visit. Her name was Gilda. I never knew
her last name because I was very young. I would play with her daughters.
As time went on we really didn't see them as much, but the eldest daughter,
Suzanne married my brother's friend. Gilda passed away I think in the 80's.
Suzanne lost her husband two years ago from a blood disorder. When I was at
the funeral we got talking and she happened to ask me how we were related.
I said your mother was my mother's distant cousin and she said I thought
your mother was my father's cousin. I said no. I knew because she helped my
mother get a job when she first came to this country and she talked about
it. I then said, what was your mother's maiden name and she said Texeira. I
don't know which side on my mother's family that name was though. My mother
was a Ines de Estrella de Andrade Borges. Maria Gloria was her grandmother
on the paternal side.

Linda

[tony costa]

Thanks these are the my great grandparents....

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[tony costa]

I think Julia Gloria are the given names, I saw in the passaport list her
being from Ribeira Grande in Sao Miguel, she could also be from Rabo de
Peixe....

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[tony costa]

Hi Rick,
where could I go to know the parents of Julia Gloria?
what it means a child from the Rota?

I did speak with a relative and the Pimentel are from rua do Jogo, they
still live there today....

Thanks very much Rick, much appreciated.

Ana

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[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Rick,
Maria da Gloria might have been the younger of all her siblings, or
both parents died and no family member would register her, people died
young with so many causes, there are many possibilities.

My relative has told me she was very beautiful, blonde and blue eyes
(the beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!) anyway this is what was
said to me, also my aunt Emilia looked just like her...

I heard that there was a monetary penalty if the parents didn't
register the child on a certain period of time, there are instances and
I know today of people that their birth date has been altered just that
the parents would not pay the penalty, that is sad.
Another thing that leaves me curious is that they left to Hawaii in
1881 with Evaristo, and the marriage is registered in 1877? Maybe they
registered much later....
Mariano is the father of my g grandpa and Maria Isabel is his mother,
my g grandparents had my great granduncles and my grandmother. They
are; Evaristo, Daniel is listed but nobody recalls him, might have died
at an early age. Mariano and Maria Isabel were born in Hawaii, on my
mom's birth cert. its listed as Marvi (most likely Maui) Sandwich,
America do Norte. I guess they were named after their paternal
grandparents.

Very interesting, it just opens more and more questions....

Thanks so much,
Ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Linda,

sorry for the confusion, let me explain better, my mothers' paternal
grandparentes were, Francisco Felix Rodrigues & Emilia da Conceicao
Borges, no reference to where they might be from, I would guess
Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande or Rabo de Peixe.

Thanks,
Ana

[Linda Norton]

Okay.

My mother's paternal ggrandparents were Francisco Borges Giesta & Joaquina
de Jesus. Grandparents were Manuel Borges Giesta & Maria Rosa and parents
Manuel Borges Giesta & Maria do Espirito de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues all
from Riberia Grande.

Manuel Borges Giesta and Maria Rosa had four children:

Manuel (my grandfather), Judite, Marquinas, Sophia.

Manuel Borges Giesta & Maria do Espirito had 11 children, but three
survived:

Conceicao, Ines (my mother) & Jose

Judite m. ? and had three children:

Guiomar m. Luis Mederios;
Estrelinha m. Evaristo Carriero
Marasinga ? m. ? Pimental

Marquinas m.? had one child:

? Son

Sophia m. Abel Pimental

? (Son) Pimental

This is what I have.

Do you think, which could be possible, that your Emilia Borges could be
related through one of these lines? I don't have much on Rodrigues that's
on my mother's maternal side.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Linda

You are right I do have Furtados and a few Borges from Ribeira Grande.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA

A descendant of:

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I went digging in my old files and found this explanation of the Roda. I
hope this helps explain. Thanks to Eloise

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA

A descendant of:

Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha
From Sao Miguel, Acores

Expostos

There were many reasons why babies were abandoned by their mothers and
fathers.
Some of the reasons being: an illegitimate child, extreme poverty with
too
many mouths to feed, perhaps the death of the father, or just simply an
unwanted child.

One can research the smaller villages and not find a single exposto in
the
baptism records. At least this has been my experience. In the larger
towns
and villages many expostos are found in the records, certainly many of
them
abandoned from the smaller villages. In years of famine or terrible
earthquakes many more babies were left as foundlings. These abandoned
children were left at churches, convents and at the door of many homes.

Many children were left at convents. In many of the convents throughout

Europe there was what was called the Wheel or the Roda. This wheel
served a
purpose. It was a wheel that could spin from the outside of the convent
to
the inside. Goods or other articles for the convent were left on the
wheel
and usually there was some kind of bell to let the nuns know that
something
had been placed on the wheel. In time, desperate mothers and fathers
left
their babies on the wheel.

In reading some of the exposto baptism records in certain villages, the
priest notes to which mother in the village the child was given. The
child
had to be given to a nursing mother, and usually one can check back a
few
records and find that nursing mother in the record. And sometimes the
priest
noted where the child had been found.

When an exposto (male) married he had already a surname or perhaps was
given
one at the time of the marriage. I wish I knew more about this. As for
surnames of the exposto, they ran the gamut from Azevedo to Xavier. As
for
the exposta (female) I don't think she was ever given a surname on her
marriage record, or at least I can't remember seeing one.

Many parents when abandoning their children believed it would only be
for a
certain period of time. When the child was left at the convent or at a
church
or at the doorstep of some farm house, sometimes clues were left so that
the
parents could later claim their child. Notes sometimes were left with
the
name of the child, or perhaps a certain type of clothing, or an
embroidered
blanket. These were the clues and apparently the church did keep a
record of
these clues.

Some years back a fellow researcher sent me the following 1861 baptism
record
of a foundling from a parish in Sao Miguel. I did post it last year
when
there were postings on expostos on the List.

A baby girl had been left at the home of a proprietor (land owner).
The
lady of the
house with her servant took the child to the public roda of the Vila.
The
child was
number 312. The baby was dressed in a cotton white shirt, a rose
colored
dress,
and two ribbons, one white and the other yellow.

In all the baptism records of expostos that I have seen in the records,
I
never saw a record such as the one above. I have often wondered what
happened to this baby. There was no notation in the margin, as I had
seen in
a few exposto records. The child was given the name, Ricarda, certainly
not
a common one.

Eloise Cadinha

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Ana

> A descendant of:

[Linda Norton]

Rich,
Rick,

Aren't you curious how we are connected?

[tony costa]

Hi Linda,

all the names sound familiar, I remember a Giesta that lived in Faja de
Baixo, I had an aunt Mariquinhas, too, I ordered some certificates from
there I hope to learn their last names...
Thanks,

Ana
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To: <Azo...@googlegroups.com>

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

I think so, I really have to look at the certificates if they can do it
in Sao Miguel, I don't know if they are going to do it for me I mailed
to Biblioteca Publica in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel,
Let's see.
Ana

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Rick,
could you please send me a copy of that, through the film you weren't
able to read any other information, I think there was an orphanage in
Ribeira Grande, do you know of anyone searching there? She might have
been dropped off there, my relatives don't know that Julia had unknown
parents.
Any info, is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Ana

[Cakem...@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/21/2006 12:07:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, toz...@sympatico.ca writes:

Hi Linda,

all the names sound familiar, I remember a Giesta that lived in Faja de
Baixo, I had an aunt Mariquinhas, too, I ordered some certificates from
there I hope to learn their last names...
Thanks,
Ana

Hi,

I believe that Mariquinhas is used as a nickname sometimes.  You might want to check that name out.

 

Mary Ann

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I do not have a copy of the marriage other than what I wrote on my
extract sheet. I did right that she was baptized in Nossa Senhora da
Estrela in Rebeira Grande. The next time I go to the FHC I will get a
copy of that record. I will try this weekend if I do not have to work.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA

A decendant of:
Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha
From Sao Miguel, Acores

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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Normally I am but during the week I work way too much to go into
details. I just finished a 14 hour day and It is back to work after 10
hours off at 3 am. I will give you some names and dates this week end.

[Linda Norton]

Thanks. I know about the work, that's why I haven't gotten far on my lines
as well.

[Linda Norton]

Thanks.

Linda

[Alvin Goularte]

Hi,

 

As a youngster years ago I heard the name Marequinhas.  It referred to a cousin of my mom's.  The cousin was what you might say "prissy" or a "girly girl".  I think it was directly opposite of a "tomboy".  So Mary Ann, you may be correct that it may be a nickname.

 

Al Goularte

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Rodrigues & Borges

[George Pacheco]

Linda did you find the marriage of Joao Medeiros and Albina Julia in N.S,da Estrela

Linda Norton <linda...@comcast.net> wrote:

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[Linda Norton]

No George I haven’t.

 

Linda

 

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[celeste perry]

My maternal grandmother, Maria Jose Ferreira Diniz, was named after her mother, Maria Jose Ferreira Diniz.  She was called, "Marequinhas" which she said was "little Maria" to differentiate her from her mother who was called Maria.  Celeste

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[Kirsgen]

Hi- this caught my eye because we have a family orphanage story - one
of my GGGrandparents was "put on a turn table in the orphanage wall and
dropped off" as a baby. Since I am striking out on finding either of
them as babies I wonder if there is orphanage info out there that we
can access or request? On the ships list (1871) going into Hawaii they
are both parents unk.

Can anyone point me towards an orphanage resource?

Thank You,

Kirsten
San Francisco

******************************
Marcellino Soares ALAMEDA b: Feb 1851 in Sao Jose Ponta Delgada,San
Miguel, Azores, Portugal
Lucinda Augusta Moniz (poss surname LINDENIA?) b: 1851-1852 in Matreiz,
Ribeira Grande,San Miguel, Azores,Portugal
*****************************************

[denis...@aol.com]

Hi,

 

My grandmother had an aunt that was also called Mariquinhas.  This was to differentiate from her mother, cousins, and all the other Maria's in the family; which tended to give each child the name Maria followed by a distinct middle name as in Maria Celestina, Maria Helena and Maria Beatriz.

 

Denise D'Antona

NY 

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[tony costa]

hi there,

that's true her name was Maria da Encarnacao, she was called always by her nickname, Mariquinhas.

 

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[tony costa]

Hi rick,

I understand, sure no hurries, when you can.
Once again all your help is much appreciated, thanks so much,
take care,

regards,
Ana

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[tony costa]

Oh wow, Rick,

at the previous email there was no mention that she was baptized in Ribeira
Grande, so she had parents at some point in time, we were very sadden with
the news, but at the same time very happy to know more about her, thanks to
you, again whenever you can.
Have a great day,
many thanks, ana

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[Linda Norton]

That’s interesting because my grandmother was Maria de Resurreicao and they called Mariquinhas and my cousin and her cousin as well named Maria da Encarnacao wasn’t called that.  They just called her Encarnacao.  I think it’s more like a nickname of some sort.

 

Linda

 

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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:49 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Rodrigues & Borges

[tony costa]

yes, I noticed that, if there was a person in the family already with the nickname, "Marquinhas or Mariquinhas" then there wouldn't be anybody else called with that nickname, just one person per family I would say, Encarnacao means reencarnation, the people lived in fear of that, I remember my older aunt telling stories about that, very spooky.

I'm Ana the nickname usually is Anita, when I was a little girl people would call me Anita but my mom always reminded people of my real name, she made a big effort to keep my real name, my sister in law for example she is also Ana Cristina (nice name) but she goes by Anita!! she got used to that name since she was a little girl. I like Ana Isabel much better.....

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Kirsten,

I recently learned that my great grandma might have had the same
destiny, I'm also looking for help in regards to the orphanages that
existed in Ribeira Grande, I don't think orphanage was the word back
then, maybe "asilio", "casa dos gaiatos", ''convento''.
Anybody with information please post, stories, anything is helpful.

Thank you,

Ana

[Cheri Mello]

I went to the Family History Library Catalog and can only find this on film: 1330512 Item 5.  It is from Sao Roque, on Horta, Faial island.  That doesn't mean that there weren't other orphanages, only that they were not filmed.

 

From what I remember (and I think it was Eloise who wrote about it, but I may be mistaken), when a baby was put on the "roda" at the church, the priest would give the baby to a family to raise.  Since most Azorean families were poor, this put more of a strain on the family and the child was raised to be a servant to them.

 

I can't find the article and I'm going off the top of my head, so I'm not entirely sure if I have all the facts straight.  So anyone with more knowledge, jump in here.

 

Cheri

[Linda Norton]

Usually, with everyone being Mary or Maria’s they had to have a second name to recognize them.  They were religious names of the time they were born.  My mother was Ines de Estrella born on the day that St. Agnes was caananized or born, January 21.  Encarnacao was during the reincarnation during Easter, March 30.  Resurreicao during the Resurrection, April 5.   Some are the de luz during January.  Conceicao during the Conception, Dec. 8.  Those are just my relatives names and birthdates. I guess that’s how that went.

[Kirsgen]

Our story definitely involved nuns, possibly being raised by them, to
be honest I thought it was exaggerated until I saw this thread!
Unfortunately I'm not sure which grandparent the story applied to.

There was also a fable about money that would be sent from the Azores
to California (later, post 1910) because either Marcellino or Lucinda
had "rich important relatives". Another story I laughed off...but if
the lazy susan story is true, you never know <g>
Cheri, or anyone, do you know if the child would take the family name
of the adoptive family?

Any suggestions appreciated....

Kirsten

[E. Sharp]

I found out about my aunt being in an orphanage in Sao Miguel but she was
left there by family members. My niece's husband's grandfather was left on
the steps of a church in Pico, I believe. The church was St. Joao--so guess
what his last name is? St. Joao.

Elaine

[E. Sharp]

Well, I don't know where my Victor relatives got the names these siblings
came to the U. S. with-- but 3 of the girls used Machado, 2 of the boys
Sylvia, another girl Pedro, and I forget the last girl. I'm suspecting
these are the families who took them in after their parents died.

Elaine

[toz...@sympatico.ca]

Hi Cheri,

I heard of godparents looking after one kid or two, or family members
that were childless would also care for them. I don't know in 1830's on
how was it done, its so sad just to abandon the child, actually to tell
you the truth I never heard or had any knowledge of babies being
dropped off at the wheel, what I understood from what was said to me
through out the years, was the parents or even just the mother would
make sure to have a connection between her and the child with the new
caregiver, that's why they would choose someone they were close to or
they knew well enough to 'give' the child away....only God knows....
Its interesting to find out how it was back then....
Manny thanks,
Ana

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[Flora Ramos]

Hi Linda,

 

I have some Souza's from Altares.  My Great-Grandparents were, Jose Souza and Maria Magdalena Gonsalves.  They had five daughters and two sons. My Grandmother was Olinda Caroline "Frankie" nickname.

 

If there is a possiblity you can e- mail me at ferrazr...@yahoo.com.

 

Flora (Ferraiz) Ramos