Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Jan Visinko]

Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia. 

[Cheri Mello]

Jan V,

Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.

The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9 islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel

If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC) that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look through them for your people.

Good luck,

Cheri Mello

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Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia. 

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[Jan Visinko]

Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko

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[Cheri Mello]

Jan,

Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch. I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.

To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let a non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.

Happy hunting,

Cheri Mello
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[Ângela Loura]

No Henry Lloyd in the list:  https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores

Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.

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[Cheri Mello]

Glad someone can find it. I did a Ctrl+F and still couldn't find him. Hopefully Jan V. can.

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[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Jan,

 

Have you seen this?

https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I102752&tree=master

 

Margaret

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[Jan Visinko]

OK thanks for pointing that out and the information about governors. cheers Han

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[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Yes Cheri, you are right. There were no English governors of Azores.

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[lunamarc]

I am amazed to see the name Whittle as in my searches in Faial I thought it odd to see that name. Now, I am unsure of the context in which I saw this name it was most likely in a marriage record and the person was possibly a witness. But I seem to think he was up there in rank too. Oh if I could just remember more.

[Jan Visinko]

Hi Lunamarc,   It was my post regarding the Whittles.  I have a great, great, great  grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800, she married in 1814 (very young) in England to James Grant Christie, a mariner who worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal Figueira and Aveiro in 1818  . Jane married James with the consent of her guardians Henry and Mary Lloyd..

Their first born Mary Jane Christie was born in Portugal 1817.  

Jane could be the daughter of Colonel Samuel Whittle who married Catharine de Visme (Catharine may have first married to Gerrard de Visme, a Count). Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle, is the daughter of Samuel and Catharine. born in the Azores 8th January.1790 but baptised in England 28th October 1789.  Jane could even be a niece of Samuel and Catharine, I just have not been able to find how Jane Whittle connects to the De Visme Whittles, or why she had guardians from the Lloyd family. Obviously, there are connections but I do not speak Portugese language but I have been able to access records on Familysearch.org.   I hope you can help,  I am writing a book about Jane Whittle and her son who was a bushranger in NSW Australia in 1850-60's.  If any one can help I would appreciate it very much.  Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia. 

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I am amazed to see the name Whittle as in my searches in Faial I thought it odd to see that name. Now, I am unsure of the context in which I saw this name it was most likely in a marriage record and the person was possibly a witness. But I seem to think he was up there in rank too. Oh if I could just remember more.

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[Cheri Mello]

Jan V,

It's a good habit to proofread before sending. There's no way the baby was born in 1790 but baptized the previous year, in 1789.

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[Maria Luna]

I seem to recollect it may well be the person documenting the entry. It would be most likely in the last book I pulled to search in and possibly sitting open as a tab on my google on my old laptop still. If I find it I'll let you know. It may just be a coincidence or a family relation. 

I am so glad I found these groups. I'm going to have to locate the ones for other islands as I believe this one is solely for S Miguel. Or am I wrong?

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[Cheri Mello]

Hi Maria L,

No, the title of this list or group is AZORES Genealogy. You have just landed on a thread about Sao Miguel island. Search the archive and you will find all kinds of posts about all 9 islands. It's ridiculous to work in isolation of the other islands. We are all Portuguese, we are all Azorean, and so we can all help each other. At the conference last month in Salt Lake, we are even more broad. That's now the Portuguese Genealogical Conference. Yes, it's a huge chunk Azorean, but we had someone who was researching mainland Portugal and a couple of people researching Madeira. The Cape Verdeans had to drop due to health reasons. The whole Portuguese research thing is really Catholic Church records, which are in the Portuguese language. So there's a lot of commonality there. :)

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[Jan Visinko]

Thanks Cheri. I do not know where Jane Whittle was born that is what I am trying to find but her marriage certificate says she was from the isle of St. Michael and I think that could be Sao Miguel because she had connections to Portugal and there were Whittles there. I appreciate your input. Jan Visinko

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[Jan Visinko]

Thank you Margaret I had not seen that link you gave me very helpful. Jan Visinko

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[Maria Luna]

So it was just a coincidence. Thanks!

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