Birth & Baptism record of Jose Machado

[Boyd McKee Kitchen]

Can anyone look at this record and see if I'm reading it correctly?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/index.html?page=84  (lower left)

Jose son of Antonio Machado and Antonia Jacinta

Paternal grandson of Matteus Machado and ______ Francisca

Maternal grandson of Antonio Pereira Garcia? and Catarina? Rosario?

all of fraguesia of Sao Mateus, Pico

born 31 Oct 1781

baptized 5 Nov 1781

Boyd

[Cheri Mello]

Boyd, you must have linked the wrong record. Jose is the son of Manuel Francisco and Isabel Francisca.

Cheri Mello
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[SUSAN MURPHY]

It’s on the right side Cheri. 

I believe he was paternal grandson of Maria Francisca…. If you look at his letter M on Machado and Mattheus it looks the same for the M 

I don’t think Antonio Pereira’s last name is Garcia. Looks like a word like Nazaret? Not that I’ve heard of that as a surname. 

The wife I think you are right Catharina Rozario 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

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[Cheri Mello]

Oops, didn't read that far!

Yeah, paternal grandma is Maria Francisca as Susan said (she compared the Ms).

I read the maternals as Antonio Pereira de Nazaret (I wonder if that's an alcunha) and Cana do Rosario. Catarina is usually C with the na raised. I wonder if he meant to write Ca and then the na raised.

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[bsei.azo...@gmail.com]

I read the paternal grandparents as stated by Cheri and Susan.

I read the maternal grandfather as stated by Cheri as Antonio Pereira de Nazaret.  This may be an alternate spelling of Nazaré, which in English in Nazareth. 

My first thought with the maternal grandmother was Candida do Rosario which is usually abbreviated as Can.a  which is what I read.  As Cheri said, Catarina is usually C.na.  However, Citcem gives her name as Catarina do Rosario.  It lists her husband as Antonio Pereira Garcia Nazaré.

 CITCEM: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca;lang=pt;p=antonio+pereira+garcia;n=nazare

Bill Seidler

[Philippe GARNIER]

Yes, Can.a is Catarina without doubt.

Philippe Garnier

Paria - France

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[Boyd McKee Kitchen]

Thank you for taking a look at this. It is true I get my right and left mixed up often. It is in the lower right of the image.  

Boyd

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[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, Candida makes sense. Never seen it abbreviated though. I think Citcem has it wrong. So I pulled the marriage (top right):

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/index.html?page=79

Nope, she is Catarina. Guess the priest has an inventive abbreviation. I've never seen Catarina abbreviated that way. The mystery of Nazare is solved though. It's the groom's mom's religious name. Probably too many Antonio Pereira's running around.

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[Gayle Machado]

Cheri,

CITCEM has (in order of appearance):

     Parents: Antonio Machado Mancebo and Antonia Jacinta;

     Paternos: Matheus Machado and Maria Francisca;

    Maternos: Antonio Pereira Garcia Nazare and Catarina Rosario.

Hope that helps more than confuses the issue. 

Gayle

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Yeah, Candida makes sense. Never seen it abbreviated though. I think Citcem has it wrong. So I pulled the marriage (top right):

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/index.html?page=79

Nope, she is Catarina. Guess the priest has an inventive abbreviation. I've never seen Catarina abbreviated that way. The mystery of Nazare is solved though. It's the groom's mom's religious name. Probably too many Antonio Pereira's running around.

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[Boyd McKee Kitchen]

Thank you for finding this marriage record. CITCEM helps find records and it gives us at least an interpretation of the records. This record is particularly difficult for me to read. Here is what I read:

I have a hard time reading the date, but can believe it is as recorded in CITCEM, 20 Feb 1730

Groom: Antonio Pereira son of Joam (Joao) Pereira, deceased and ______ de Nazareth (CITCEM says Maria, I can't see the abbreviation M.a, looks more like Rita to me).

Bride: Catharina do Rosario daughter of Francisco Fernandes and ______ Dutra (Blan?a???) 

It appears that the brides family is from the island of Faial. Can you read the freguesia name? 

Boyd

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[bsei.azo...@gmail.com]

My interpretations are in red:

Thank you for finding this marriage record. CITCEM helps find records and it gives us at least an interpretation of the records. This record is particularly difficult for me to read. Here is what I read:

I have a hard time reading the date, but can believe it is as recorded in CITCEM, 20 Feb 1730

Groom: Antonio Pereira son of Joam (Joao) Pereira, deceased and M.a (Maria) de Nazareth (CITCEM says Maria, I can't see the abbreviation M.a, looks more like Rita to me).

Bride: Catharina do Rosario daughter of Francisco Fernandes and Margarida Dutra já defuntos (both deceased) 

It appears that the brides family is from the island of Faial. Can you read the freguesia name? 

Freguesia de (Nossa Denhora de) Luz lugar dos Flamengos da ilha do Faial

Bill Seidler

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I meant Nossa Senhora da Luz.

Bill

[Philippe GARNIER]

I read Cathariba do Rozario : without doubt ! The abbrevations of Catarina are severel : C.na, Cn.a  Ca.na ...

Nazaré is a chritian name, as Conceição or Asenção In Terceira, they are a lot of.

Abs

Philippe Garnier

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