Pronouncing of AZORES !

[Betty]

Hello,

I, with an all-English background, has been pronoucing AZORES .. as A'
zorez.

But, I watched a travel show a few days ago, where the lady visiting
Portugal and the Azores ... pronounced it .. as a Zor' ez (short
a)

I'm now curious how the residents of the Azores pronouncing ... Azores.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

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I think the pronounciation is something like  azorsh.

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[E. Sharp]

One of the esteemed members of my grandson's German Volga heritage is receiving the Ellis Island Medal of Honor award this year from the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations (NECO). 

 

Does anyone know if any Portuguese heritage person(s) has received this honor? 

Here is their website. http://www.neco.org/index.htm  So far, I have not found one but still looking.  Maybe we can nominate someone for next year's award?

 

"E"

[Cliff Nye]

Elaine
Congratulations to your Grandson’s Friend-Just the title of Medal of Honor for Ellis Island means a lot to anyone who knows Ellis Island and what it stands for. Now, I’ll show my lack of whatever, but what is the “German Volga heritage”. I should be embarrassed since I’m half German or actually 1/4 German and 1/4 Belgium. I just consider it all German. Anyway, I have  never heard of it before. Can you educate me and the other “chickens” who  won’t admit that they don’t know either.
Happy Weekend and God Bless to you and yours.
Cliff

Cliff Nye
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[Cliff Nye]

Not to confuse the matter, since I don’t know the answer to your question anyway, but
in Portuguese it’s spelled  Açores. Just thought I would throw that in for the heck of it.
Happy days

Cliff Nye
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Simão, Pimentel,  Avellar, Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, Medeiros, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and Pieters

[E. Sharp]

Cliff and others interested:

 

German Volga's are the Germans who left Germany ca 1760's at the invitation of Catherine the Great to settle in the area of the Volga River in Russia where they established farms.  However, living happily thereafter was not their plight.  There are several sites that tell their story.  Here here one site:

 

http://www.lhm.org/LID/lidhist.htm

 

When they came to the U. S. and settled in Kansas, Colorado, North Dakota, Washington, etc. they also met with prejudice which they had to overcome. 

 

My grandson's great great grandmother and her 2nd husband (not his gggrandfather) returned to Russia after living in the U. S. about 7 years (ca 1913).  Luckily, they left their children here.  They got caught in the Famine of 1921 and, since they were quite well to do and had money, tried to return to the U. S.  But Russia changed their monies in the meantime and so their's become worthless.  Her husband died (froze to death) along the way in Poland.  Luckily, she made it to a camp in Germany and her children sent her monies to return to the U. S. where she lived out her life.

 

As you can imagine, getting records from Russia is not easy and the person receiving the Medal of Honor was one of those who was instrumental working with the Archives there and making them somewhat accessible, albeit they are expensive....a birth record about $75 as research can only be done by their Archivist.  The listmembers took up a collection and my grandson collected cans and donated the monies to the Archives to help in the restoration of the records. 

 

So you see, our ancestors from all over the world deserve the greatest of gratitudes for the lives we live today.

 

"E"

[Laura Fitzpatrick]

Hi All,

 

I am currently in Lisbon on a short holiday break.

 

The people of Portugal pronounce Azores like:

 

A sor es

 

Long A

the Z is pronounced like an S

short e

 

It is pronounced with three syllables with the accent on the middle syllable.

 

I brought all my family names here and have asked how each one is pronounced. Now that is not to say that they are pronounced the same way in the Azores.

 

One thing I did find out is the surname Maciel is an Azorian surname. Also the name Estacio is an Azorian first name. Neither name is found commonly in Portugal according to the Lisboans I have spoken to.

 

Lisboa is lovely. The people are lovely and mannered and kind. The highlight of my trip has been that almost all Portuguese people have believed that I was a native and have spoken to me in Portuguese. It feels lovely to be mistaken for a native !!

 

Regards,

 

Laura Fitzpatrick

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Laura, you are getting closer to what I've experienced.

My 2 cents worth. My cousins on the Island of Flores, pronounce Açores:

        A        Sors            two syllables       accent on last syllable
     Short        ç 
       a          as S           the last vowel is swallowed

I have a mixed perception of my accent depending on the country I'm in. In Brazil, most people peg me as having an Azorean accent. When I'm anywhere in Portugal most people peg me as having a Brazilian accent since my late wife was Brazilian and we were married 21 years. I had "assimilated" enough of the Brazilian accent to "pass" for Brazilian (but only in Portugal). BTW, I'm going to Brazil in June for the first time in over 20 years and it will be interesting to see how Brazilians perceive my accent now.
Regards,
John Vasconcelos

In a message dated 5/7/07 12:52:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, laurafitzp...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi All,

I am currently in Lisbon on a short holiday break.

The people of Portugal pronounce Azores like:

A sor es

Long A
the Z is pronounced like an S
short e

It is pronounced with three syllables with the accent on the middle syllable.

I brought all my family names here and have asked how each one is pronounced. Now that is not to say that they are pronounced the same way in the Azores.

One thing I did find out is the surname Maciel is an Azorian surname. Also the name Estacio is an Azorian first name. Neither name is found commonly in Portugal according to the Lisboans I have spoken to.

Lisboa is lovely. The people are lovely and mannered and kind. The highlight of my trip has been that almost all Portuguese people have believed that I was a native and have spoken to me in Portuguese. It feels lovely to be mistaken for a native !!

Regards,

Laura Fitzpatrick

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[Maria Sousa]

Laura,

 

There is a large MACIEL community that goes back many years in Viana do Castelo in the north of Portugal.  The area of Viana do Castelo and Darque have many people with the Maciel surname.  I believe that in Viana, there is a house that has been turned into a museum that had belonged to the Barbosa Maciel family.  I remember also about a statute in the main square with the Maciel surname.  

 

Maria Sousa

[Laura Fitzpatrick]

Thanks so much for that information, Maria. I wish I had more time this visit to go there!.

I brought all my surnames over here with me and most people told me that Maciel is mostly an Azorian name, but your information shows that to not be so.

 

I go home tomorrow. I will really miss it, but I am off to Pico in September so I can't wait!

 

Thank you again.

 

Laura Fitzpatrick

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[Laura Fitzpatrick]

Cliff,

Just curious. Where do you find that little tail that you have coming off your C in Acores on the computer keyboard ?

 

Thanks

Laura Fitzpatrick

 

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[Alvin Goularte]

One has to remember that in Portuguese it is spelled Acores and in English it is spelled Azores.  Also Portugal is spelled the same in both languages but pronounced differently. 

 

Al

Laura Fitzpatrick <laurafitzp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Cheri Mello]

There's a couple of ways to do it, Laura.

 

You can set you keyboard up as a Portuguese one.  I think the cedilla is where our :/; is. I don't remember how to do that, though.  Or, you can go to Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Character Map and choose it from there.  Or you can memorize the code.  Hold the ALT key and type 135 on the NUMBER keypad. 

 

Cheri

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[Cliff Nye]

Hello Laura
It  depends on what computer you have. Here is a web site that shows all the different diacritics for typing on either a PC or a Macintosh, as I have. On the Mac, you hold down the option key and then hit the “C” and it comes out  like this Ç OR ç. Anyway, just type out the appropriate page for yourself and keep it handy.
Good luck
Cliff

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[Cliff Nye]

Laura
As usual, I forgot to paste the link in for you. Here it is!
http://www.umich.edu/~langres/diacritics/portuguese.html

Hope this helps a little
Good luck and God Bless
Cliff

Cliff Nye
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Hello Laura
It  depends on what computer you have. Here is a web site that shows all the different diacritics for typing on either a PC or a Macintosh, as I have. On the Mac, you hold down the option key and then hit the “C” and it comes out  like this Ç OR ç. Anyway, just type out the appropriate page for yourself and keep it handy.
Good luck
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