Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores

[brownat68]

Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his children were born in the USA.

I believe I have his baptism record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html

Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but have not been able to yet. 

Children

Antone Lawrence 1913

Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States

Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Todd Brown

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong link.

I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster.

Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its own books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if you are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira das Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, I'd get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have told the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city hall where he was from.

BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both your mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your Furtados, but I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into Ribeira Quente.

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

You have to be careful. There are Furtado Lourenco's and Furtado Lourencia's. The first is mostly in Ponta Garca; the latter is mostly in Ribeira das Tainhas and come from Vila Franca. Moreover, they sometimes interchange the names!  And there are similar names in both villages! I suspect the Ribeira Quente connection is from the female side, that is Mary.

JR

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[Cheryl Lawrence]

Yes, If he has the correct Antonio, that line is closer to Lillian than me. 

Although years ago I sent away for naturalization papers for my Antonio Furtado Lourenco, and got a packet back in the mail about another Antonio Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA. I will see if I can find it. 

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[Cheri Mello]

Ooooooh, crossing fingers that someone is going to get lucky!

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

The parents of Antonio, who was actually born- April 19- 1886, bap- April 26, 1886, married in Ribeira das Tainhas, Oct 15- 1887. They are Francisco Furtado Lourenco (or Lourencia) and Maria da Luz Rei

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P61.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html

record on two internet pages (no 4 in book) 

I suggest you contact Lilian also.

JR

[JR]

Sorry, that marriage date should be Oct 15- 1877, not 1887.

JR

[brownat68]

I'd love to see that info you have on Antonio Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA.

Todd

[Cheryl Lawrence]

Tomorrow I will dig through some drawers. I've moved 3 times since that packet came to my old apartment. :( If I can't find it, I'll get you the info on how to obtain it online.  

Lillian Palko would have tons of info as well. That is her direct line. 

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[brownat68]

Thanks. Keep me updated.

I'll contact Lillian again soon. I remember we could not find the connection through the Furtado line though. Lillian and I are related on both sides of our families so we share a lot of DNA.

Todd

[brownat68]

My great grandmother told my mother that this Lawrence family were cousins when she was growing up and my mothers paternal Furtado family is from Vila Franca and other places but not Ribeira das Tainhas. The maternal line is from Ponta Delgada. I wonder if this Furtado family possibly descends from Andre Costa Furtado born 10 Sep 1701 in Vila Franca?

Todd

[brownat68]

I had the incorrect record actually. My bad translation skills. 

I think the only connection Lillian and I could find was through the DeMello family which makes sense if Lillian does not share DNA with my Aunt so it has to be on my maternal line. 

With all the information JR posted on the Furtado Lawrence family(s) I need to find out what town in the Azores Antonio Furtado lawrence of Plymouth was born or lived in first, then look for the connection. 

Todd

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[Cheri Mello]

Sounds like you are on to something. I hope Cheryl unearths the box with the papers in it!

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[Theresa Entin]

I think this might help.   Oct 1935.  Maria Mota is from Ribeira das Tainhas.  She is the sister of Jose F Lourence and Antonio F Lourenco.  

lp.

[Lillian Palko]

I believe this is his baptism:  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html.  I do n ot have any information on this Antonio other than baptism.

[brownat68 .]

This must be his immigration: Family Search Row 19. Looks like his father is listed as Francis Furtado, column 11.

It looks like Maria is listed above. Row 15. Whole Motta family came over.

What is his occupation, Column 6, Laborer?

Todd

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[brownat68 .]

The fathers name looks like Francisco. Where/What is the mothers name?

Todd

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[Cheri Mello]

Row 19, in the column titled "The NAME and complete address of nearest relative from whence alien came," it says Francisco F. Lawrence, Rib.a Tainhas, V. Franca. The column isn't asking for parents, it only ask for A NAME. Just one name. If you want mom's name, you have to go to the Azorean Passaportes and check for him outbound. Start Aug. 21, 1908 and work your way back. Yes, he is a laborer.

Everyone is going to River Point in RI. I think that's near West Warwick.  Cheri

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[brownat68 .]

I was asking if the mothers name was listed on the Baptism record image that Lillian sent. Is the mother listed and what is the date?

I am going to start looking through the Passportes now...

[JR]

This is what it says. It is same line as above:

record No- 16, Antonio, bap- 26 Apr 1886, filho de Francisco Furtado [Lourencia] campaneo, natural de NS da Piedade de Ponta Garca and Maria da Luz [Rei], natural de Bom Jesus de Ribeira das Tainhas, where they were received, are parishioners, and are living on Rua de Igreja of same (freg.); neto paterno de Antonio Furtado [Lourencia] and Anna Jacintha; and materno de Antonio Furtado Rei and Maria de Jesus; Pad- Manoel Furtado Lourencia, casado, feitor and Madrinha, Antonia da Conceicao, casada, domestic. (Padrinho, Manoel, is brother of the father and his wife, is said Antonia)

JR

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[Cheri Mello]

In your post, you sent a link for Family Search only, asking about what it said for certain column and didn't mention Lillian or needing help with the baptism, so I didn't go back through the thread looking.

On the baptism Lillian sent, dad is Francisco Furtado from Ponta Garca and Maria da Luz is from this freguesia (so R. das Tainhas). They were married in Tainhas.

This priest is where I had to learn how to read the records. He recorded my immigrant ancestors baptisms. No records were online and we had to go to the Azores to research. I had a friend with me. The first day, he checked a couple of my records and said to stack them up. So I asked him every 5 or 6 records or so. The next day, he said I was doing fine, and to leave him alone! LOL So once you get used to this priest, you can read a lot of priests because this guy's penmanship is a little tough! LOL

Cheri Mello
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[Cheri Mello]

The maternal grands, Antonio Furtado Rei and Maria de Jesus, are Marie (Ray) Fraley's ancestors. She DNA tested and should be your match. If she has a brother, his Y-DNA would come from Antonio Furtado Rei.

Cheri Mello
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[brownat68]

Thanks JR. 

[brownat68]

Thanks Cheri, I found her, 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin to my mother. Thought it would be closer...

If you reply by Gmail it places the reply at the bottom of all the posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Todd

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[Cheri Mello]

My replies are at the bottom? I see all answers come to the top. That's weird.

I can't remember how intermarried Marie's line is. If it is, it'll fragment and that is why you see a weaker match. Intermarriage can fragment the DNA.  Cheri

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[Theresa Entin]

Yes, it looks like the whole family came over. One child born in USA, a citizen.

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[Cheryl Lawrence]

I found it!! Sorting through old papers today, and came across the packet.

Who can I mail this to?  :)

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Yes, it looks like the whole family came over. One child born in USA, a citizen.

On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:01 AM, brownat68 . <brow...@gmail.com> wrote:

This must be his immigration: Family Search Row 19. Looks like his father is listed as Francis Furtado, column 11.

It looks like Maria is listed above. Row 15. Whole Motta family came over.

What is his occupation, Column 6, Laborer?

Todd

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I believe this is his baptism:  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html.  I do n ot have any information on this Antonio other than baptism.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote:

Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his children were born in the USA.

I believe I have his baptism record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html

Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but have not been able to yet. 

Children

Antone Lawrence 1913

Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States

Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Todd Brown

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[Lillian Palko]

Hi Todd,

Sadly the male Furtado line ends with Manuel Furtado born 1786. He was pai incognito.  However, his wife, Antonia Luciana goes on. Let me know if you need anything. Just saw this post.

Lillian