Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Terri]

I have an ancestor from Vila Franca do Campo that married in August 1874. His marriage record said that his father, Manuel Pimentel Andrade was 'away in Brazil'.  The CCA site has passport records starting at 1875 (of course only one year AFTER the year I need to look up...) So CCA site is out. Is there any way to find the passenger ship list maybe on a Brazilian site somwhere for when he might have arrived in Brazil if I can't when he left the Azores?

 

Terri Santos

Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo

[Aaron Pereira]

   Hello,
Here is a link to immigrant records for Sao Paulo, but I think it starts at 1880...I know that's of  no use to you regarding Manuel.  If nothing else, it's another resource to add to your list for future use.

 here is a link to the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild:   http://www.immigrantships.net/    ISTG has a huge collection of passenger manifest lists. 

If I find any other websites related to this, I will post them here.  Good luck

[Aaron Pereira]

Forgot to post the Sao Paulo link

http://museudaimigracao.org.br/acervodigital/livros.php

[Terri]

Thanks Aaron. 

 

[Isabella Baltar]

Terri,

Don't be discouraged about the passport of your ancestor. The date that is online, 1875, is not a limit for your search in finding your ancestor passport. 

You can find record books of those requesting a passport and, maybe passports, back to 1840 in Azores. I researched at BPARAH, in Terceira, and had on my hands books with records going back to the 1840's decade. The oldest passport that I have dates from 1861 and I got it there and it is from one of my Azores ancestors, my great great grandmother that left Terceira island to go to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. After having it on my hands and analyzing all the information (they have several pages), I was able to do my research in Brazil and learn more about her. Usually the passport contains the name of the city that they are going to, and sometimes the ticket they bought with the ship name.

At that time, several important ports were used in Brazil - Recife, Salvador, Rio de Janeiro and Santos - where hundred thousands of Portuguese people arrived. It will be much easier if you try to contact the Archives/Library in São Miguel and request a search on his passport so you will know which one was the port of arrival, in Brazil, that your ancestors went.

Isabella Baltar

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

[Cheri Mello]

Isabella,

There are no passaportes records in existence for Sao Miguel island pre-1875.  Each port has different records in existence.

[Isabella Baltar]

Cheri and all,

I checked a few photos I have from different passport request book and attached one of them that may help. I understand that the island records may vary, but I remember reading the records at BPARAH and noticed that several people from other islands were at Angra do Heroismo requesting passports, mainly Graciosa, Pico and S. Jorge, besides Terceira. 

In the photo I attached you will see a request from José Lourenço, São Miguel island. I'm sure you will find others from São Miguel. This request from São Miguel is for the year of 1854 and it is at BPARAH. 

I think it is worth a try checking with them. 

Isabella Baltar

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

[Cheri Mello]

Isabella,

There are 3 ports in the Azores.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, Angra on Terceira, and Faial on Horta.

The vast majority of people left from their home port.  Most people from Santa Maria and Sao Miguel island left from Ponta Delgada.  Yes, every once in a while I will see someone from Sao Jorge or some other island leaving from Ponta Delgada instead of their home port.  I just figured that they really needed to get to the next ship sailing out.

The only exception was for those traveling to Hawaii.  You had to sail out of Ponta Delgada, regardless of whichever island you were from.  Not many did that.  An overwhelming portion of Portuguese that went to Hawaii were from Sao Miguel (and Madeira, since recruiting was done there too).

I'd have to look at a map, but I would think that the home port to Angra would be people from Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge and that home port to Horta would be Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.  People who have worked those records extensively would have a better idea of where most came from.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Isabella Baltar]

Thanks for all the explanation, Cheri.

 

I was checking more about this and noticed that 1832 was the year that the Civil Government started, that is why we had those 3 ports you mentioned, Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta.

 

After reading what you mentioned it makes me wonder that the ship companies were probably the ones who estabilished leaving routes to this or that country from this and that island. Lets say, people who wanted to come to Brazil had to go to Angra and leave from there, I'm just guessing. I have to check more on that.

 

Isabella Baltar

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com