Looking for records of an individual and parents

[Cameron Hazer]

Hi,

So, I know many people here have developed their own databases from researching documents and wanted to know if anyone could search their own database for this family:

Manuel Souza + Isabelle Garcia (parents)

Manuel Souza Garcia (child)

The son was born on Pico, and I'm assuming the same would be true of the parents. He was born somewhere between 1888 and 1892 based on the records I've looked at. I have no info on the parents aside from names, which I acquired from a marriage certificate for the son. Don't know of any siblings.

This is of course just a request if it's not too much trouble. I'm manually going through baptisms myself, but that can be incredibly time consuming when looking for parents and so on. I couldn't find them on the ghp.ics site with the family indices.

Thanks!

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Cameron,

Have you searched the Uminho site for Pico for record of Manuel birth/baptism? You have the parental names so to search each village doesn't take that long and you can search in English. ghp.ics.uminho.pt, then click on genealogies (left on ribbon) then click on each village one-by-one to search for Manuel. 

Rosemarie

rca...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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[Cheri Mello]

And you may want Manuel Souza and Isabel ______. She's probably da Conceição, de Jesus, do Espirito Santo, etc. She's very likely going by her middle, religious name in the 1880s and 1890s.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Cameron Hazer]

Would the Garcia name have come from her family even though it was later adopted? I'm trying to see if I can confirm the only couple I found with a Manuel born around the right time, and that's my only real hangup right now..

[Cameron Hazer]

Adding onto my previous reply, would the surname Garcia have been added to Manuel at a later time like his mother? It could explain why the index doesn't show him with it.

Index in question:

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=manuel;n=sousa;oc=1

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Cameron,

I don't know what you mean by the surname being later adopted.

Did your Manuel Souza Garcia marry an Isabel Jacinta? You said your Manuel was born in 1882-1892, yet, you are providing a MARRIAGE in 1882.

You really need your freguesia. Pico is the 3rd most populated island. You are going to find many Manuels and Isabels that will fit your family.

If you are in the U.S., what research have you done with U.S. records? Which records have you looked at?

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Cameron Hazer]

Hi Cheri,

I'm sorry if my post was confusing. My g-grandfather is Manuel Souza Garcia. I recently got access to his own marriage certificate (in California) listing his parents as Manuel Souza and Isabelle Garcia. Considering that women generally didn't have last names at the time my g-grandfather was born (between 1888 and 1892, as I originally stated) that means that his mother wouldn't have the name Garcia in the baptismal record, correct? It also wouldn't list his surname since they didn't do that as far as I can tell.

The marriage in the index link I posted is for the parents, and you can see a Manuel listed as a child with the birth year 1889. The mother is listed as Isabel Jacinta ("do Coração de Jesus" is how her name continues in their marriage record). The son is listed as Manuel Sousa.

Cameron

[Cheri Mello]

In America, many just gave some surname to the women. They usually didn't close their eyes and pick one though. It would have been a name from HER family tree. Otherwise, it would have just said "unknown."

No, women from about 1860 forwards (to the 1910/1911 records we see online) didn't have surnames typically.

When a baby is baptized, it is usually only the given name. In your case Manuel.

You are going to have to research Isabel Jacinta's family tree to see if any Garcia shows up. If it's not there, then you probably picked the wrong one.

You need to do more American research before trying to guess your freguesia on the 3rd most populated island. You need your immigrant ancestor's death certificate, obituaries, WWI Draft, Social Security Application, census. If he naturalized, you need his entire natuarlization paceket. If he lived past 1940 and did not naturalize, then Alien Registraion. You can also check the UPEC Death Registrations on Ancestry.com too. Also, American arrival/passenger lists (then cross check with the outbound in the Azores). There's more to check, but the Azores Genweb is down, due to their server at Rootsweb being offline. Or I'd send you there for a complete list of things to do.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Cameron Hazer]

Heh, I did suggest to my mom to fill out the form for her grandpa's death cert (same person), so I guess I was on the right track there. And I totally agree with the surname choice, I just wasn't sure if it was anomalous. He stated on his WWI card that he was from Pico, so I was searching there because of that. The couple I found in the indices are also the only ones I could see that fit reasonably well. I suppose they just might be missing from those indices.

Thanks a ton or the advice, Cheri. Being pretty new to this I appreciate it a lot! 

[Cameron Hazer]

One more thing, where do I find the UPEC reg on ancestry? I'm having quite the time finding it.

Cameorn

[Cheri Mello]

Are the "indices" the CITCEM site? The whole island is NOT indexed. So if you are only using that, yes, you'd be missing a few freguesias. And the index was made by many college students. Being human, they make mistakes.

To find the UPEC Death Registers on Ancestry:

Home page, click on search and pick Card Catalog. In the Title box, type California (yes, you have to spell it out. CA is Canada too).

Scroll down to the one called "California, Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987."

If he was a UPEC member, you may be able to cross reference to the UPEC records on the Azores GenWeb when that comes back up (Rootsweb, the host, is down for a couple of weeks).

And if you have done your census research, you probably have the immigration year. You can search outbound from the Azores (start with the port of Horta first) and see if you can find him leaving the Azores. That's on Tombo.pt/en

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Cameron Hazer <themaes...@gmail.com> wrote:

One more thing, where do I find the UPEC reg on ancestry? I'm having quite the time finding it.

Cameorn

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