Difficulty finding marriage records: SANTO ANTÓNIO além Capelas freguesia on São Miguel, and LAGOA

[Lisa S]

Hello,

I have really been having some difficulty in finding some marriage records in the Santo António além Capelas freguesia on the island of São Miguel, and also the Lagoa area.  From what I have seen so far in the Santo António freguesia, the priest(s) was/were not always consistent with the names they used to document the parishoners.  I don't know if this means that in fact the parishoners had long names, and that when they stated them to the priest, the priest only wrote down some of them, or if the parishoners sometimes just gave the priest portions of their names.

The road blocks that I have hit in getting this section of my tree higher:

1.  

I cannot find the marriage record for the parents of Francisco de Medeiros Maura.  In the birth records of some of Francisco's children I have seen his name documented sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros Maura, and sometimes Francisco de Medeiros Pimentel.  The names of his parents (the grandparents) have stayed constant in those records that I have found, and their names are António de Medeiros Maura and Joanna Maria, António is a natural of Santo António and Joanna Maria is a natural of Lagoa (Nossa Senhora do Rosario), but I have not been able to find their marriage record.  I have checked Santo António, but have not found it there.  I have also checked Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lagoa, but did not find it there either.  It's possible that I could have missed it, or that Joanna Maria's parents moved to a different freguesia after her birth, and that they were then married in that new freguesia.  

The obituary for Joanna Maria 

30 September 1830 - 70 years old more or less

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P4.html

The obituary for António de Medeiros Maura

29 September 1831 - 80 years old more or less

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P45.html

I believe their son Francisco was born 1 August 1789, so their marriage would have happened before that date.  I found 2 siblings born AFTER that date in Santo António:  João in 1793, and Margarida in 1794, but no one before 1789, so perhaps his parents lived in a different freguesia before moving to Santo António?

2. 

I am also having difficulty finding the marriage record for Francisco de Viveiros do Rego and Joanna de Medeiros.  They are both naturals of the Santo António além Capelas freguesia, so I believe the marriage should have taken place there.  I estimate the marriage to have taken place around the year 1767.

I have seen the name of Francisco de Viveiros do Rego documented sometimes as Francisco de Viveiros, and sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros do Rego, I am not sure if this was a mistake or not since his wife Joanna has the surname de Medeiros.

He was born 9 February 1748.

Joanna de Medeiros was born 20 January 1749.

Is anyone else researching these two families, or does someone happen to have an index with this information in it?  I would be very appreciative of any help.

Thank you very much and kind regards,

Lisa

[John Raposo]

24 Mai.1775    FRANCISCO DE VIVEIROS REGO, filho de João de Viveiros Velho e de Isabel Antónia de Viveiros, freg.^s de Santo António, c. c. JOANA MARIA DE MEDEIROS, filha de Tomé Álvares de Melo e de Bárbara de Medeiros, freg.^s da paroquial de Santo António.

                        Test.^as: P.^e Sebastião Manuel de Melo e P.^e Manuel Inácio Pacheco, tes.º, m.^res em Santo António.

                        Assento p.º Vig.º Francisco da Ponte Tavares.

Good luck!

John Miranda Raposo

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[Lisa S]

Thank you so much for this John !!!  I really do appreciate it !!!

Does this mean that we are cousins?  :)

FYI, that other couple (António de Medeiros Maura and Joanna Maria) are also related to this couple, I just don't know through whom yet.  Most probably it is though António de Medeiros Maura since he is also a natural of Santo António.  I am guessing that he may be the brother of Joana Maria de Medeiros.  I have a record for an António born 26 October 1753 to Thomé de Mello and Bárbara de Viveiros, and I suspect that this MAY be him, but I do not have proof of this.  Here is that record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-B-1752-1770/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-B-1752-1770_item1/P12.html

Do you have any thoughts on this?

Kind Regards,

Lisa

[Lisa S]

UPDATE

Perhaps the marriage for António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria (Estimated before sometime 1789, so 1170-1789 ?) could be in Agua de Pau, since in the Obituary of their son Francisco it says that his mother is a natural of Agua de Pau (instead of Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lagoa).

Another possibility is Relva, since their son Francisco de Medeiros Moura (sometimes documented as de Medeiros Pimentel) married Vitoria de Jesus in Relva after 1818.  This is another record I am looking for.

I feel like I have been back and forth in the Santo António church book looking for this, and I also checked Nossa Senhora do Rosario with no luck.  I could have missed it though.  Does anyone have a searchable index for these freguesias please?  

Thank you in advance if anyone is able to help.

Kind Regards,

Lisa

[Lisa S]

I want to say thank you again for this, because I really was looking back and forth in the Santo António church book, and somehow I missed it, so it really was a gift that you sent this to me.  Thank you so much!  xoxo

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 2:34:52 PM UTC-5, John Raposo wrote:

[Carlos Melo]

Hi Lisa,

I am picking up where you left off on this email exchange 7 years ago, so I understand that I will most likely not get a reply, but it's worth a shot, I guess.

Did you ever find the marriage record of António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria?

I've combed through the parish records of S. Antonio, Rosario and Agua de Pau, to not avail.

Their daughter Margarida Maria de Medeiros Thomasia (in her grandchildren's records) AKA as Margarida Thomasia (in her marriage record) is my 4th great-grandmother. She married Francisco Duarte Ferraz in Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande, on November 15, 1821.

On FamilySearch, someone left a lengthy note about their search for Joana Maria's records (no luck either), and Antonio's parents have been identified as Francisco de Medeiros Moura and Francisca Machado. 

But do you have any additional information on Joana Maria? 

A while back, I wrote down that her last name was Monis based on one of her grandchildren's records, if I recall correctly. But I only save the pdf files of my direct ancestors, so I cannot find the record of this great-great-uncle now. 

Thanks,

Carlos