ancestors stemming from Lagoa, Faja de Cima

[Matt]

Hello,

I am new to the group but have been researching my Azorean ancestry
for quite some time. My two primary freguesias are Lagoa (Nossa
Senhora do Rosario) and Faja de Cima / Faja de Baixo, where my great-
grandparents were born, later immigrating to Providence and East
Providence, Rhode Island. From there I have branched out to many
other surrounding freguesias and back a few centuries in some cases.
All surnames in my ancestry and their freguesias of location are the
following:

Lagoa (Sao Miguel): Ivens, de Medeiros Theodoro, de Medeiros, da
Costa Pires, Telles Pires, Gonçalves, de Andrade, de Oliveira, de
Pimental, do Rego, de Sousa, da Costa, de Andrada, Teixera

Faja de Baixo / Faja de Cima (Sao Miguel): da Ponte, Cabral,
d'Andrade, de Medeiros Fernandes, do Rego, Fernandes, da Rocha

Flor da Rosa Alta (Santa Maria): d'Andrade

Achada (Sao Miguel): Rebello

Rabo de Peixe (Sao Miguel): da Ponte, da Camara, do Amaral, de
Almeida, da Costa Sais

Bretanha (Sao Miguel): de Amaral, de Benavides

Maia (Sao Miguel): da Ponte, Correia, Pacheco, Correa Simas, Barboza,
da Costa, da Rocha, de Oliveira, Botelho, de Simas

Povoaçao (Sao Miguel): da Ponte, de Medeiros

Any information would be greatly appreciated. I am willing to share
my research if you think you have a link to my ancestry.

Thanks,

Matt

[Marr...@cs.com]

Let me know about your Ivens line and any Bretanha ancestors so we can compare notes.

John


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[Matt Papino]

Hi John, My Ivens line starts in Lagoa with my 2nd great-grandfather Joao Ivens.  According to birth records of his children, parents are listed as unknown, but that doesn't mean that they're not on another document somewhere else.  Oral tradition in our family has always said that the family was orginally from Wales and that Joao's father's name was Thomas, having married his Portuguese housekeeper.  I am very familiar with the Ivens research done by other people I've come across online, but my problem right now is that I can't make a link with my great-great grandfather to any of the Ivens Sao Miguel genealogy. As far as what I have from Bretanha, it appears in my family tree with the marriage of my 7th great-grandfather Manoel de Amaral.  He was born in Bretanha before 1716 and was the son of Manoel de Oliveira Cabesseiras and Maria de Benevides.  He married Antonia de Almeida (of Rabo de Peixe) on 13 December 1732 in Rabo de Peixe.  Later generations are from Rabo de Peixe. Hope this helps! Matt --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Marr...@cs.com <Marr...@cs.com> wrote:

[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 10/7/2008 6:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ma_j...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi John,

My Ivens line starts in Lagoa with my 2nd great-grandfather Joao Ivens.  According to birth records of his children, parents are listed as unknown, but that doesn't mean that they're not on another document somewhere else.  Oral tradition in our family has always said that the family was originally from Wales and that Joao's father's name was Thomas, having married his Portuguese housekeeper.  I am very familiar with the Ivens research done by other people I've come across online, but my problem right now is that I can't make a link with my great-great grandfather to any of the Ivens Sao Miguel genealogy.

As far as what I have from Bretanha, it appears in my family tree with the marriage of my 7th great-grandfather Manoel de Amaral.  He was born in Bretanha before 1716 and was the son of Manoel de Oliveira Cabesseiras and Maria de Benevides.  He married Antonia de Almeida (of Rabo de Peixe) on 13 December 1732 in Rabo de Peixe.  Later generations are from Rabo de Peixe.

Hope this helps!

Matt

Hi Matt,

I have several Thomas Ivens in my data base. The Ivens of S. Miguel descend from William Breakspeare Ivens, born in Swinesbrook, Oxfordshire and Elizabeth Flora Hickling, born in Ponta Delgada; I'm sure you already have their lineage, but if you need more, I have their lineage. I have a João Ivens, born in 1878 in Ponta Delgada, but he is the legitimate child of Thomas Edward Ivens and Maria Rocha de Medeiros. Thomas died in 1880 and married twice: first in 1842 to Henriett Carew, of Baltimona Park, Watterford, Ireland, and secondly in S. Miguel on 31.10.1878 to Maria de Medeiros, of Nosdestinho, daughter of Manuel Pacheco and Rosa de Medeiros Pacheco, with whom he lived before they married. I suppose it is possible that he could have had a son João by Maria before they married, whom they abandoned to an orphanage. They did have a legitimate son João born in 1876.

Cabeceiras is not a Bretanha surname. It is prominent in the neighboring parishes of S. Bárbara and Santo António além Capelas. I do have a Manuel de Oliveira, son of António Oliveira and Bárbara Tavares Cabral, married in Bretanha on 5 Apr 1704 to Maria de Benevides, daughter of António Medeiros and Ana Martins.

I am sorry I cannot be of more help. Please let me know if you need any other information.

John

[Matt]

Hi again John,

Thanks for the information. I wish I knew for certain that the
marriage you have in your file is that of my ancestors. Chances are,
it is. Do you have any information about the children of the marriage
in question?

Yes, I am familiar with the ancestry of the Ivens and their link to
Great Britain. If only I could find out more information about my 2nd
great-grandfather Joao Ivens. Once the link is found then I can
connect everything. My current hypothesis is similar to what you've
said---that my 2nd great-grandfather was born and possibly given up
for adoption. I still need to some some more research to see what I
can find.

Thanks for letting me know where the surname Cabeceiras is from as
well.

Regards,

Matt

On Oct 7, 7:08 pm, Marra...@cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/7/2008 6:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>

[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 10/7/2008 11:30:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ma_j...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi again John,

Thanks for the information.  I wish I knew for certain that the
marriage you have in your file is that of my ancestors.  Chances are,
it is.  Do you have any information about the children of the marriage
in question?

Yes, I am familiar with the ancestry of the Ivens and their link to
Great Britain.  If only I could find out more information about my 2nd
great-grandfather Joao Ivens.  Once the link is found then I can
connect everything.  My current hypothesis is similar to what you've
said---that my 2nd great-grandfather was born and possibly given up
for adoption.  I still need to some some more research to see what I
can find.

Thanks for letting me know where the surname Cabeceiras is from as
well.

First: Here is something I found from Bretanha and I think this what you are looking for:

Ahnentafel Chart for Antonia da Conceição


First Generation

1. Antonia da Conceição  was born in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

Antonia married Manuel Sousa Vieira  son of Manuel Vieira and Angela Correia on 25 Dec 1756 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. Manuel was born in São Pedro, Ribeira Seca, São Miguel, Açores.


Second Generation

2. Manuel Oliveira  was born on 26 Dec 1678 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. He died in 1738 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. He married Maria de Benevides on 5 Apr 1704 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

also know manuel alvares Quaresma


3. Maria de Benevides  was born about 1683 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

found dead at her door



Third Generation

4. Antonio Cabeceiras  was born in 1662 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. He died on 22 Nov 1722 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. He married Barbara Cabral Travassos.

5. Barbara Cabral Travassos  was born about 1653 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. She died on 5 Dec 1713 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

6. Antonio de Medeiros  was born in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores. He died Bef abt 1704. He married Ana Martins about 1675 in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

7. Ana Martins  was born in Ajuda, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.

And here is what I have on the Ivens:

2 - Isabel Flora Hickling born 5.9.1783, twin to Sara Clarisse Hickling, was baptized on 21.8.1796 and married on 20.4.1805 toWilliam Ivens, an English businesman who came S. Miguel. He was the son of Robert Ivens and his wife Elisabeth, and grandson of Joseph Ivens, of Surinbrooke, Oxfordshire. William Ivens was married for the second time to his sister-in-law Mary Anne Hickling.
Ther were the parents of:
3 - Thomas Eduard Ivens, who follows:
3 - Robert Breakspeare Ivens, who died in Lisboa in1889.
3 - William Hartfield Ivens, married to Elisa Adélia,.
3 - Isabel Maria Ivens, qmarried to Dr. Carlos Cowan.
3 - Eduardo Burnett Ivens, who did not marry.
3 - Arthur Hickling Ivens, who married Elisabeth Burnett.
3 - Charles Feltiplace Ivens, married to Henriette Slewelbyn.
3 - Thomas Eduard Ivens, who died in 9.3.1880 and married twice: (1) in 1842 to Henriett Carew, and (2) in S. Miguel on 31.10.1878 to Maria de Medeiros, of Nosdestinho, daughter of Manuel Pacheco and  Rosa de Medeiros Pacheco, with whom he lived before their marriage
From his 1st marriage he had:
4 - Margaret Carew Ivens, married to Thomas William.
4 - Henriett Willehmina Ivens, married to Theodore Elles, of NY
4 - William Ivens,
4 - Tomas Eduard Ivens,
4 - John Henry Anderson Ivens, qmarried to Mildred Leonard.
From the second wife:
4 - Henriqueta de Medeiros Ivens, born on 26.4.1872 and married to Pedro Jácome Correia.
4 - Margarida de Medeiros Ivens, born on 9.3.1874 and married to Diogo Tavares do Canto Taveira (Cap.º 45.º § 1.º, N.º 13).
4 - Thomaz de Medeiros Ivens, born 6.5.1875.
4 - João de Medeiros Ivens, who follows:
4 - Maria Joana de Medeiros Ivens, qmarried to Dr. Jaime Tavares Neto .
4 - Guilherme de Medeiros Ivens, born 5.5.1878 and married to Maria da Glória de Chaves Cogumbreiro.
4 - João de Medeiros Ivens, born on 12.7.1786 married to Maria Diamantina Rebelo.
They had:

5 - Gilda Rebelo Ivens, married to Amâncio Gago Machado de Faria e Maia .

John

[Matt Papino]

Hi John, Thanks so much for this information.  I've added it to my file and now know who my 9th great-grandparents are!  I wonder how the surname de Amaral was added into the family?  None of the grandparents have that surname.  If I can be of any help to you with other freguesias, please let me know.  Thanks again! Matt

--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Marr...@cs.com <Marr...@cs.com> wrote:

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[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 10/8/2008 12:16:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ma_j...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi John,

Thanks so much for this information.  I've added it to my file and now know who my 9th great-grandparents are!  I wonder how the surname de Amaral was added into the family?  None of the grandparents have that surname.  If I can be of any help to you with other freguesias, please let me know.  Thanks again!

You are very welcome. I'm sure if you keep on digging that Amaral name will pop up.

John

[celeste perry]

Matt,    Here are the descendents of the Maria de Benevides I have.  She is married to a different Manuel; however, if anything else fits, we could have a match. Descendants of MARIA DE BENEVIDES 1 MARIA DE BENEVIDES b: Abt. 1715 in Ajuda, Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores/George .... +MANUEL PEREIRA CABRAL b: Abt. 1715 in Ajuda, Bretanha,Sao Miguel, Azores/George m: Apr 15, 1731 in Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores/George . 2 ANTONIO CABRAL b: Jun 11, 1740 in Ajuda, Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores/George ....... +ANA DA ESTRELA b: Abt. 1740 in Ajuda, Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores/George m: May 04, 1760 in Ajuda, Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores/George .... 3 VITORIA DO ANJOS b: Abt. 1760 in Bretanha, Sao Miguel, Azores .......... +MANUEL DE MELLO b: Abt. 1760 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores m: Feb 18, 1787 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** ........ 4 MARIA DE JESUS b: Jun 16, 1794 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** .............. +JOSE FURTADO DE MATOS b: Feb 16, 1789 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** m: Jun 05, 1815 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** ........... 5 ANA MARIA DO CORACAO DA JESUS b: Abt. 1815 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores ................. +FRANCISCO MORAIS DA COSTA SAFONA b: Sep 29, 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores/Joao Ventura m: Jan 31, 1835 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** ............... 6 JOAO MORAIS DA COSTA b: Oct 08, 1849 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores** ..................... +JACINTHA LIBANIA b: Jul 22, 1843 in Lomba de Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores** m: Nov 10, 1867 in Lomba de Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores** .................. 7 Ana Morais b: Sep 06, 1881 in Sao Miguel, Azores .................. 7 Seraphine Morais b: Abt. 1879 in Sao Miguel, Azores ........................ +Rosa Branca b: Abt. 1881 in /Grandma Perry .................. 7 Jose Morais b: Dec 14, 1883 in Lomba Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores** ...................... 8 Manuel Morais b: 1908 in Arrifes, Sao Miguel/Dickey .................. 7 MARIA CRISTO MORAIS b: May 22, 1885 in Lomba Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores/daughter, Mary Cruz ........................ +FELIPE PEREIRA DA SILVA b: Feb 05, 1887 in Soldao, Lajes, Pico, Azores** m: Nov 24, 1907 in Bristol, RI/daughter, Mary Cruz ...................... 8 Mary Perry b: Jun 26, 1911 in East Providence, RI/self ............................ +Fernando Cruz Sr b: Abt. 1910 in Rhode Island, USA m: Bef. 1937 in East Providence, RI, USA ......................... 9 Fernando Cruz Jr b: Abt. 1937 in East Providence, RI ............................... +Sally b: Abt. 1937 ............................. 10 Fernando Cruz III b: Abt. 1960 ................................ 11 Fernando Cruz IV b: Abt. 1980 ...................... 8 SERAPHINE EDWARD PERRY b: Aug 23, 1912 in East Providence, RI, USA** ............................ +ADELINE (LENA) CANTO SILVA b: May 03, 1912 in East Providence, RI, USA** m: Nov 15, 1933 in East Providence, RI, USA ......................... 9 ROBERT EDWARD PERRY b: Oct 23, 1935 in Providence, RI, USA** ............................... +CELESTE NORINE LEWIS b: Jan 14, 1938 in Hayward, CA, USA** m: Jul 08, 1956 in All Saints, Hayward, CA, USA** Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com

[Linda Norton]

Hi Matt,

I have my ggrandmother on my paternal side Maria da Gloria from Faja de
Baixo b. abt. 1858 m. Manuel de Andrade De Almeida Rodrigues from Sao Roque.
They had four children; Odelia, Anton, Maria do Espirito Santo (my
grandmother) and Elise settled in Ariffes. My grandmother, Maria married my
grandfather, Manuel Borges Giesta from Ribeira Grande where they settled.

I've been trying to research the Andrade Almeida Rodrigues, but do not have
anything as well as on Maria da Gloria.

I do have Rebelo and do Rego from Ribeira Grande as well. My da Rocha is
married to my great aunt.

I know most of my relatives settled in Cambridge/Somerville, but some
families did go to Canada and Rhode Island.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

[Matt Papino]

Hi again Celeste, Thanks for the information.  My Maria de Benevides of Bretanha was born about 1683, so she's a different generation from yours.  That's not to say that they're not linked somehow.  Let's keep each other posted! Matt --- On Wed, 10/8/08, celeste perry <ccgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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