Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[Ana Bonito]

Hello everyone my name is Ana Bonito, born in Lomba da maia.
I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4 generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early 1800s into 1700s.

No luck finding any photos, passports or documents any of them. Anyone recommend any sites?

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Ana,

Photography didn't begin to become affordable until the late 1800s onwards. You won't find any photos for the early 1800s into 1700s.

The Azores government digitized their records and they are online. It is much easier to access them through tombo.pt. You can type "lomba da maia" in the left column and see what is available.

Cheri Mello
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[Ângela Loura]

Hi Ana,

If you use the group's search tab and type "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" you'll find that there's at least one thread about this.

If you google the same "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" (always between "") you'll find the name referend in some trees, specially a big tree on Geneanet (the tavaressilva tree), so take a look. You may also find some Bonito's in some worldgenweb indexes.

Also follow the path through the CCA records like Cheri suggested, and from there you might find the Bonito track line again.

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[Ana Bonito]

Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.
I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo and genweb.
Any other sites to recommend?

[Ana Bonito]

Thanks Angela will look into!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Ana,

The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. Someone here on this list will have it.

The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through Tombo.pt is all that exists.

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos in my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty and fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of the nickname, as many people were fishermen.

JR

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

Hi Ana,

The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. Someone here on this list will have it.

The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through Tombo.pt is all that exists.

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito <abfv...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s. 
I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo and genweb. 
Any other sites to recommend?

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[Nancy Couto]

Dear Ana and JR, 

It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My father’s baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my grandfather is listed on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My family dropped the Bonito when they came to the U.S. I would be interested to know if either of you have Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from Arrifes, Relva, or São José.

Nancy

P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests that the nickname has nothing to do with fish.

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[JR]

No Couto Bonito's in my files. I have some form Ribeira Quente, Maia and Lomba da Maia. There are others in many villages.

JR

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[Joe Matias]

I have helped a few people with the Bonito name.

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[Ana Bonito]

Hi JR
Grandfather's
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego

[Ana Bonito]

Hi Nancy

No Couto's that I can see.

[JR]

These look similar to the Lomba da Maia Sousa Bonito's, yet they do not match. Do you have any dates or time lines?

Is this the same Manuel de sousa Bonito cc Maria Isabel, Ponta Garca, Aug 19- 1819; Their descendants used Bonito in Lomba da Maia.

JR

[JR]

From what I can tell, so far, there may be a name mix-up or change in this line of Lomba da Maia and that may account for why you are stuck.

JR

[Ana Bonito]

Hi JR

Have confirmation on them all, just hoping to find more info and or photos

[JR]

Can't help you with photos. But I may be able to help unblock where you are stuck in your line. 

You wrote "I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4 generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early 1800s into 1700s." 

Do you have a date and time for the earliest generation? From what I have, about ten offshoot lines, they all seem to lead back to Manoel Lourenco Bonito and Maria Isabel. They married circa 1832, but there is not an exact match for them in Lomba da Maia or Maia. So I suspect a name change or variance of some kind.

JR

[Tammy Jesso]

I might be able to help as all my research has been Lomba do Maia. Please email me directly if you would like my assistant with your research.

Tammy

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[IslandRoutes]

Ana,

I am getting in late on this conversation.  Do you Bonito of Lomba da Maia connect to Sousa Bonito of Lomba da Maia?  Or, do you have a link between your Bonito and the Couto Motta/Mota of Lomba da Maia?

I have a DNA match with a Common Ancestor on Ancestry, but there are gaps between what I have and how Ancestry is connecting them.  From what I can gather, the match has Belmiro de Sousa born in 1897, Brasil. Migrate to Massachusetts (New Bedford area I believe)

His father is Jose Sousa Bonita of Lomba da Maia.  His mother may be Maria Jacintha de Frias.  I'm looked through the indexes that Tammy Jesso transcribed.  While I can find Sousa Bonita's, I cannot find this couple. It may be they married in another village or in Brasil.

Ancestry believes Belimiro's mother is the granddaughter of Jacinto Couto Motta m. Maria de Jesus do Couto.  Jacinto was the son of Jose Jacintho do Couto Motta and Luiza Rosa de Jesus Moniz de Mendonca.  Luiza is my link to this family. (They connect to another of my DNA matches.)

My problem is I cannot figure out which of Jose & Luiza's children connect to Belmiro.

If anyone is familiar with this line, I would appreciate if you could check what you have.

Thanks!

Mel

[Joe Matias]

I started a tree for a friend that has Sousa Bonito that might tie into Belmiro from Brasil.Here is Belmiro's birth record from Brazil.   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6W9R-ZR?i=186&cc=1582573&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPQW-N5SS

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[Ana Bonito]

Wow, thanks will have a look!

[JR]

How do you guys know that this Bonito is from Lomba da Maia? There are Bonito's in Ribeira Quente also. I venture that it is more like a nickname that was added on and exists in many places. After all, Bonito is a fish, like a large Tuna.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

Interesting. I was thinking that "bonito" was the masculine version of "bonita" and that someone had a "pretty boy" face and got the alcunha and it stuck.

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[JR]

I first thought the same. It is of course possible that the name means pretty, but I am willing to bet it comes from the fish in most cases as there were many, many fishermen in the pre-1900 period.

JR

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[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Mel,

Would you explain a bit what you meant about Ancestry.com?

       “Ancestry believes Belimiro's mother is the         

         granddaughter of Jacinto Couto Motta...”

I’ve been frustrated with the ‘potential father’ hints it has given me.   Is that what you mean?   Because of the repeated first names that were favored and limited Number of surnames, I’ve NEVER found one correct ancestor.   Have you had some luck with yours?  And what do you do to verify from that point? 

I’d love a clue to making the ancestor database work better for me.   

Thank you,

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca  

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[Ana Bonito]

Never said they were, I am Bonito from lomba da maia and from what was found out by researcher I hired we go back 5 generations there and stop at a grandmother named Antonia Bonita.

His conclusions were below on the name:

"All this means that the origin of the surname "Bonito" is much harder to
determine than we expected. Going even further back in time, considering the
more laconic way priest would mention people in older documents, will surely
reveal older ancestors, but probably will not clarify the origin of the surname
"Bonito". Researching some other parishes of the island will be necessary to
determine its exact origin.
Regardless of this origin, one should bear in mind that, if the surname "Bonita" /
"Bonito" comes from a nickname - as it seems, this may not have been caused by
the beautifulness of a certain ancestor. In fact, one of the most common fishes in
the sea of the Azores is called "bonito" and some of the Bonitos in the late 19th
century living in São Miguel were "marítimos", that is their jobs were linked with
the sea or fishing."

In researching I have come across many Bonito's in Portugal, Italy and Spain

[Cheri Mello]

Debbie,

I don't use the shaky leaf hints AT ALL.

Here's my tree with my immigrant ancestor and his parents.

Nope, not a fan of the leaves. It's comical to me. I think it took about a year for me to get the leaves on Fred and Wilma. I use it in one of my speeches.

I probably should add Pepe Le Pew and Penelope Pussycat for his wife's parents and see what happens. LOL

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[JR]

I want to clarify what I wrote. I did not mean to suggest that anyone here was stating that Bonito's only come from Lomba da Maia. What I mean, specifically, is how does the person researching Brazil know that parents of Belmiro are from Lomba da Maia? I assume it is recorded somewhere. So my question is, where does it say this? It is not on Belmiro's record.

JR

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[Pam Santos]

I have de Sousa Bonito from Maia

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[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

That is so funny, Cheri.   I have gotten some photos of my own ancestors in the hints and some good story hints.   I know they are accurate because I know the lines they are on and some I even met when I was a little girl.   For Jesse’s Portuguese side, the hints are almost never right.   

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[ana fernandes]

All good, sorry for repeat, thought it didn't go through so sent again...oops

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[Cheri Mello]

I just don't use the "hints" or "shaky leaves." I'll manually search the Public Trees for an ancestor and I can find photos and news articles that way. And I look at the person's tree and their ability to document or not. Documenting with "Ancestry Public Trees" is not documenting in my book. That's copying the work of another. I guess I just don't like it tell me (or suggesting) things. I'd rather go looking for it myself. I guess it's my research style!

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[Joe Matias]

Belmiros's parents and grandparents match the same people I have and are from Lomba da Maia.

 

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[IslandRoutes]

Joe,

Thanks for posting the link. Do you have anything on Belmiro's grandparents, Jose  Couto  da Motta and Maria Jacintha Faria? 

Do you know if Jose Couta da Motta is the son of Jacinto Couto Motta and Maria de Jesus do Couto of Lomba da Maia?  Jacinto would be the son of Jose Jacinto Couto Motta and Luisa Rosa Jacinta Muniz de Mendonca. Luisa is my connection to the Couto Motta. She descends from my Pacheco de Resendes line of Maia, Ribeira Grande.

Thanks,
Mel

[Joe Matias]

No I do not,but will try to find out and will let you know.

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[JR]

I think this is the couple you are looking for.

JR

Generation No. 1

 

        1.  Belmiro de Sousa, born 01 Mar 1897 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.  He was the son of 2. Jose de Sousa Bonito and 3. Maria Jacinta Benta.

 

Generation No. 2

 

        2.  Jose de Sousa Bonito, born 05 Sep 1864 in NS do Rosario, Lomba da Maia.  He was the son of 4. Jacinto de Sousa and 5. Maria da Conceicao Arruda.  He married 3. Maria Jacinta Benta 25 Jan 1892 in NS do Rosario, Lomba da Maia.

       3.  Maria Jacinta Benta, born 20 Jul 1868 in NS do Rosario, Lomba da Maia.  She was the daughter of 6. Jose do Couto Mota and 7. Maria Jacinta de Faria.

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No I do not,but will try to find out and will let you know.

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Joe,

Thanks for posting the link. Do you have anything on Belmiro's grandparents, Jose  Couto  da Motta and Maria Jacintha Faria? 

Do you know if Jose Couta da Motta is the son of Jacinto Couto Motta and Maria de Jesus do Couto of Lomba da Maia?  Jacinto would be the son of Jose Jacinto Couto Motta and Luisa Rosa Jacinta Muniz de Mendonca. Luisa is my connection to the Couto Motta. She descends from my Pacheco de Resendes line of Maia, Ribeira Grande.

Thanks,
Mel

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I started a tree for a friend that has Sousa Bonito that might tie into Belmiro from Brasil.Here is Belmiro's birth record from Brazil.   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6W9R-ZR?i=186&cc=1582573&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPQW-N5SS

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