SS CAMBROMAN

[carmen furtado]

hello

 

i just received my grandfather's petition for naturalization from national archives

 

it has that he arrived in boston, massachusetts, on march 14, 1904, aboard the camberman (which i think means the cambroman)

 

i can't find this ship docking on this date on ancestry.com boston passenger lists

 

does anyone know where i can find the dates this ship docked in boston in 1904

 

thanks

 

carmen

Carmen M. Furtado
4 Gray Avenue
Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA

 

 

              

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[Kathy Cardoza]

Hi Carmen

Did this ship go into Providence, RI? It's just a thought. My husband's grandfather, Joao Cardoza Esteves, immigrated into Providence from Terceira in 1914. 

Another random thought here ....   :) ........My great grandfather, Manuel Silveira Goularte, stated in his Naturalization papers that he arrived in New York on the Barca Sara about May 1, 1892. A search of New York records did not find that ship there. So, I looked at Boston and found it and him on the ship arriving 24 Apr 1892. The point being, I guess, that there were mistakes and errors made in memories as well as the actual info.

Kathy

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On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:10 AM, carmen furtado wrote:

hello

 

i just received my grandfather's petition for naturalization from national archives

 

it has that he arrived in boston, massachusetts, on march 14, 1904, aboard the camberman (which i think means the cambroman)

 

i can't find this ship docking on this date on ancestry.com boston passenger lists

 

does anyone know where i can find the dates this ship docked in boston in 1904

 

thanks

 

carmen

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[Salli Souza]

Hello Carmen,

My GGrandfather wrote on his immigration papers that he arrived from Boston to Kauai on the USS Basch around 1891-1893 .  I couldn't find that ship or his name anywhere!  Family stories said he was on a whaling ship.

 

I found a person who works for the maritime museum named  Paul Cyr.  He said the only Whaling ship from Boston to Kauai during those years was the USS Barstow  He looked further and found that My Jose Joaquim DeRezentes was not on that ship... However there was a "greenie" named Joe Joaquin that jumped ship in Kauai.  bingo... That was him.  His immigration papers had both names Joe Joaquin and Jose Joaquim De Rezentes, sadly it was filed under Joe Joaquin, took me forever to locate his immigration papers.

 

So, if you cant find it any other way.  Give the time frames approx... and the name of the ship as it was written... He will find it ;)

pc...@sailsinc.org

 

Good luck,

Salli Souza

[Cheri Mello]

Paul Cyr is no longer at the New Bedford Library?  I wonder when he left for the maritime museum.  Contact info would be good, if you have it Sally.

My great-grandma immigrated on the "Pensailor."  You're going to have to play around with the names and the SOUND of the word given accents and even regional accents.  "Pensailor" is the Peninsular.  I'm not familiar with ships, but there may be immigration and/or ships lists on Rootsweb that might be able to shed some light.

Cheri

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Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada

[carmen furtado]

hi kathy and everyone

 

i spent all afternoon yesterday searching - couldn't find where the cambroman ever landed in boston in 1904 - did check new york also

 

here's the info on my grandfather:

 

jose furtado (joe furtado on petition for naturalization)

born February 21, 1882 (on petition for naturalization)

in ribeira grande, saint michael, the azores (his brother's daughter told me this)

parents were jacinto furtado and maria luiza cordeiro (obituary)

arrived in boston on march 14, 1904, aboard the cambroman (camberman on petition for naturalization) 

residence plymouth massachusetts

intention declaration december 29, 1933

naturalization petition april 23, 1937

 

here's what i found on ancestry.com:

 

jose furtado

born about 1879

age 24 years

port of departure st michael azores portugal

ship cambroman

arrival port boston

arrival date april 25, 1903

friend in america cousin antoni cordeiro in fall river****

last residence st michael

 

****on the manifest it looks like his name is antony cordeiro rego - 144 chart street - fall river

the name after jose furtado on the manifest is joao souza also going to his cousin antony cordeiro rego - 144 chart street - fall river

 

here's what i found on ancestry.com:

 

jost surtado (jose furtado on ellis island website)

born about 1890

age 17 years

port of departure st michael azores

ship massilia

arrival port new york new york

arrival date march 13, 1907

final destination plymouth massachusetts

friend in america brother guilemo(spelling) ? pacheco - 194 standish avenue - plymouth****

birth location ribeira grande st michael's

 

****a brother with the last name of pacheco? no way

also on the same manifest a jose de medeiros morgardo going to his father at 194 standish avenue - plymouth

also on manifest were a lot of young men in their late teens listed

 

last night i went to bed and wondered if my grandfather came to this country and went back and came again

 

march 13 is close to march 14 but the year is off - but 1903 is close to 1904

and the birth years are off considerably - could he have lied about his age - do immigrants need to show birth documents back then - i know memories fail with age - mine has - my mother had my grandmother coming on the canope (canopic) when she acturally came on the cretic

 

was wondering if his wife helped him fill out the intention and petition as the date for her arriving in this country were correct as well as her birthdate and children's birthdates

 

does his citizenship make his wife a citizen - nothing could be found on citizenship papers for her

 

does anyone know that these immigrants ate aboard ship, where they slept, toilet facilities and how the spent the days - my grandmother told me that the italians were roped off and also the portuguese

 

thanks

 

carmen

Carmen M. Furtado
4 Gray Avenue
Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA

 

 

              

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[Cheri Mello]

Carmen,

Did you ask for "any and all" papers when requesting the naturalization?  I did.  My ancestor's packet came with some immigration paperwork.  In it, the INS had stamped "could not find" but allowed her to become a citizen anyway (she was in her 70s by then). I also had the paperwork that her daughter-in-law filled out for her, as she was illiterate.  So if someone was illiterate, someone filled them out.

Some immigrants did go back and forth.

Before the 1920s, women automatically became citizen under the husband's citizenship.  Somewhere in the 1920s, that changed with women's right to vote.

For more info, go here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html

I think your best bet would be to wait for the Azorean "passaportes" to come online.  You can look at the emigration leaving the Azores in 1903 and 1904 and figure it out instead of relying on Ancestry, which has a few mistakes.

[Linda Norton]

My father told me that his uncle Joaquim Furtado came to America in the early 1900’s and stayed here and came over with my father’s father in law, Manuel Borges. He told me a lot of men went back and forth and even hopped to Bermuda for work. Manuel Borges went back and stayed in Ribeira Grande. I told you about my father’s other Uncle Jose Furtado whose son settled in Alberta, Canada. I don’t know what ship Joaquim came over on, but I can try to find out. He stayed and raised his family in Arlington, MA. My grandfather Anthony Furtado came over on the SS Cretic 10/30/1920 LDS film #1404381 and then they went back after the depression because it was worse here then there and stayed there until he passed and then my grandmother got called here after my father and mother came over. My father’s mother was a de Sousa, her brother was Joao de Sousa (my godfather). I’ll find out when he came over. He was married to Etelvina Lopes. They settled in Somerville, MA.  Keep in mind they were all from Ribeira Grande.

 

Jose Furtado was born abt. 1891 and his son Jose Furtado married Ambrozina Paula. They had four children; Maria de Carmo m. Gildo Paiva; Isabel m. Jose Pacheco; Jose m. Laura Texeira and Angelina m. Jose Maia.

 

My aunt’s father Manuel Pacheco and Manuel Piques worked with my mother’s father Manuel Borges as there mentor being a furniture maker in Sao Miguel. Manuel Pacheco married a de Couto from Plymouth, MA. They went back to Vila de Franca married and then came back here again. Manuel Piques married a Isabella ? and they all settled in Cambridge, MA.

 

My father also talked about a Hermano Morgan which was changed from Morgado, his cousin who settled in Somerville or Arlington. He only told me that it was his father’s cousin. When I asked the group about Morgados they said that meant the eldest child would be the one who inherits. I guess a name carried down that way?

 

I just met a friend of my son whose girlfriend is, Erica Lopez. She said she was half Portuguese. They changed the name back a few generations from Lopes to Lopez. I thought that was interesting.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

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[JR]

Found your enquiry on Azores Gen and thought I would send you this
information, which is undoubtedly your grandfather.

In Ribeira Grande, NS da Estrela marriages
NO- 33 Jose, bap March 13- 1882, born- Feb 21, 1882
son of Jacinto Furtado, campones and Maria Luiza (she takes Cordeiro
from her father, Manuel Cordeiro), domestic, natives, received
(married), and parishioners of RGE and residents of rua de Salvacao
(Salvation street), paternal grandson of unknown grandparents and
maternal grandson of Manuel Cordeiro and Anna Claudina Correia,
Godparents: Jose Pedro Cordeiro, married, shoemaker, and godmother,
Fortunata Julia, married.

[Linda Norton]

JR

Is it possible to find out if Jose Furtado could have had siblings? Since I
have a Jose Furtado born in Ribeira Grande, NS da Estrela around the same
time. Except I have Mariano Furtado as the father or could it be a cousin?

My mother always mentioned a name like Cordeiro on my father's side, but it
was more like the pronouncation of Cordoias. Does Cordeiro have a meaning? I
think the Cordoias meant sifters or weavers, something like that. A nickname
of what they did for work.

In fact, I think my grandfather Antonio Furtado did shoe making. I know he
did that when he came to this country and I think when he went back.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

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JR
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:53 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SS CAMBROMAN

[Les]

Hi,
How can I contact the maritime museum? Are any of their records
online?
Les

On Feb 24, 9:10 am, carmen furtado <carmen_furt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hello
>
>   i just received my grandfather's petition for naturalization from national archives
>
>   it has that he arrived in boston, massachusetts, on march 14, 1904, aboard the camberman (which i think means the cambroman)
>
>   i can't find this ship docking on this date on ancestry.com boston passenger lists
>
>   does anyone know where i can find the dates this ship docked in boston in 1904
>
>   thanks
>
>   carmen
>
>     Carmen M. Furtado
> 4 Gray Avenue
> Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA
>

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[rca...@redshift.com]

> Les--Go to google.com and type in maritime museum and they will come up.
There is the Peobody and also one in New Port News VA. .

Rosemarie

[ea...@comcast.net]

Carmen,

 

Ancestry.com has records for the SS Cambroman in Boston for: 6 Sep 1902,   26 April 1903,

 4 Aug 1903, and 17 Sep 1903. If you had supplied your grandfathers name, I would have looked him up.

 

Eric

 

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Les <lgre...@hotmail.com>

>
> Hi,
> How can I contact the maritime museum? Are any of their records
> online?
> Les
>
>
> On Feb 24, 9:10 am, carmen furtado wrote:
> > hello
> >
> > i just received my grandfather's petition for naturalization from national
> archives
> >
> > it has that he arrived in boston, massachusetts, on march 14, 1904, aboard
> the camberman (which i think means the cambroman)
> >
> > i can't find this ship docking on this date on ancestry.com boston passenger
> lists
> >
> > does anyone know where i can find the dates this ship docked in boston in
> 1904
> >
> > thanks
> >

&g t; > carmen

[JR]

Just look at the 5th entry, it shows her grandfather's name, which is
Jose Furtado.

JR

On Mar 14, 2:51 pm, ea...@comcast.net wrote:
> Carmen,
>
> Ancestry.com has records for the SS Cambroman in Boston for: 6 Sep 1902,   26 April 1903,
>  4 Aug 1903, and 17 Sep 1903. If you had supplied your grandfathers name, I would have looked him up.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Les <lgrem...@hotmail.com>
>
> > Hi,
> > How can I contact the maritime museum? Are any of their records
> > online?
> > Les
>
> > On Feb 24, 9:10 am, carmen furtado wrote:
> > > hello
>
> > > i just received my grandfather's petition for naturalization from national
> > archives
>
> > > it has that he arrived in boston, massachusetts, on march 14, 1904, aboard
> > the camberman (which i think means the cambroman)
>
> > > i can't find this ship docking on this date on ancestry.com boston passenger
> > lists
>
> > > does anyone know where i can find the dates this ship docked in boston in
> > 1904
>
> > > thanks
>

> > > carmen
>
> > > Carmen M. Furtado
> > > 4 Gray Avenue
> > > Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA
>
> > > ---------------------------------

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[JR]

I can't help you there, as the records only begin in 1883 and go back.
So if your ancestors were married or born after that date, it would be
like looking for a needle in a haystack. I don't their parents. In
Carmen's case, it was a simple matter of looking for any Jose's born
in 1882, plus or minus one year, to a father named Jacinto Furtado.
Ribeira Grande is very large, a city in fact, with hundreds of
baptisms.

Cordeiro means lamb, while cordoeiro means a rope maker. My
recollection is that you mentioned "Cardao" as the nickname.

JR

> >   naturalization petition april 23, 1937- Hide quoted text -

[carmen furtado]

hi linda

 

haven't had a chance to write - my house is a gigantic mess and i can't find anything that i want right now - so i've been digging daily

 

am beginning to wonder if my furtados are related to your furtados - as my jacinto furtado really isn't a furtado thanks to the information john roias sent me

 

i questioned why no name was given for jose's father's parents and john found when jacinto got married and listed jacinto as a foundling with no parents given just Jacinto Furtado e Angelica - just who brought him up Antonio Jacintho and his wife Maria do Espirito Santo - so i'm trying to figure out who Angelica was - I don't know if Angelica was his mother - i looked up foundling in the dictionary -  an infant found after its unknown parents have abandoned it - so i don't know where the last name of furtado came from unless it was Angelica's last name and she wasn't married - very confusing

 

would you kniw what the abbreviations of NS and RGE stand for?

 

Happy Easter!

 

thanks

 

carmen

Linda Norton <linda...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Feb 25, 10:25 am, carmen furtado wrote:
> hi kathy and everyone
>
>   i spent all afternoon yesterday searching - couldn't find where the
cambroman ever landed in boston in 1904 - did check new york also
>
>   here's the info on my grandfather:
>
>   jose furtado (joe furtado on petition for naturalization)
>   born February 21, 1882 (on petition for naturalization)
>   in ribeira grande, saint michael, the azores (his brother's daughter
told me this)
>   parents were jacinto furtado and maria luiza cordeiro (obituary)
>   arrived in boston on march 14, 1904, aboard the cambroman (camberman on
petition for naturalization)
>   residence plymouth massachusetts
>   intention declaration december 29, 1933
>   naturalization petition april 23, 1937
>

Furtado
4 Gray Avenue
Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA

 

 

              

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[Linda Norton]

NS RGE stands for Nossa Senhora de Estrella of Ribeira Grande.

 

According to JR there are a lot of Furtados even illegimate children named after someone they may know or another family name. I just think its odd because how many Furtados are there from the same parish? Especially in the 1700 or 1800’s.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

 

 

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