Manuel Baptista

[Patricia Gray]

I have information that our great grandfather, Manuel Baptista, was born in Arengoes Portugal (Azores). I can't find this town anywhere I have searched so far. Can anyone give me an idea as to where it is?

Thank you.

[Cheri Mello]

Flamengos? No idea. You're going to have to keep looking. Unless it is on the mainland. I'm not familiar with all localities in Portugal on the mainland.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:59 PM Patricia Gray <patagr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have information that our great grandfather, Manuel Baptista, was born in Arengoes Portugal (Azores). I can't find this town anywhere I have searched so far. Can anyone give me an idea as to where it is?

Thank you.

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[Patricia Gray]

Thank you for your quick reply. I'll keep trying.

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[Mindy Silva]

I have a feeling it is 
Flamengos, Faial (Nossa Senhora da Luz)

Where did the information come from?

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I was unable to find an Arengoes in the Azores.  I did find one Arengões in mainland Portugal.  It is a lugar in the parish of Requengo do Fetal, municipality of Batalha, district of Leiria.

https://asraizes.blogspot.com/2012/01/as-freguesias-de-batalha.html

I did find a Manuel Batista (granted this is not an uncommon name), age 17; and his sister Maria, age 16 arriving in Providence on 22 Aug 1920 on the SS Roma.  They were from Madelena, Pico,  leaving behind their father João Batista in Madalena and going to join their uncle José Batista in Taunton, MA.  I looked at a map of Madalena and saw no reference to a place called Arengões.

This probably is not any help but I thought it might be worth a shot.

Bill Seidler

[Josef Spridgen]

I have a Manuel Baptista in my family tree. Do you happen to have any more detail DOB/Death?

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[Patricia Gray]

Not sure where I got the information, Can't find the website. They
came to the US through Hawaii in 1888, 1889 and again in 1893. He
settled in Oakland. CA.

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[Cheri Mello]

Patricia,

The ship for Hawaii picked people up in Madeira and then went to the Azores. It stopped only at Sao Miguel in the Azores. So if your ancestors were from a different island, they had to get over to Sao Miguel.

Because the journey was quite difficult, I doubt that they went back and forth from the Azores to Hawaii 3 times. They had to sail around the horn. It took quite a while.

Look through this how-to guide and start collecting documents. In order for us to help you, you need a name (you have that), a date (none have been mentioned), and a place (you have a vague one). Maybe something in here will help you find more clues on your ancestor: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
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[Patricia Gray]

I do have some additional information on my Great Grandfather, Manuel
Baptista. He was born in 1863 and died 4/25/36. He died in Malaga, Ca.
and was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery in Fresno, CA. He married Maria
Cunha (1874-1941). I don't have a date of marriage. They had 3
children: Manuel Baptista, Mamie Baptista (my Grandmother) and Mabel
Baptista. This is pretty much all I have at this point.

Pat

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[Patricia Gray]

Cheri: Do you know the reasoning behind going through Hawaii versus
the East coast.

Pat

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Pat,

You need to order those deaths from Fresno County. You also need to do census research. It will give you a time frame of when they married and when their kids were born. More ideas on the Azores GenWeb how-to: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

As for HI vs the east coast....They signed a contract to work in HI. Going to the east coast was on their own or they has relatives. Melody (Mel) Lassalle knows a lot about Hawaiian immigration from the Azores. http://www.yourislandroutes.com/

Good luck and happy hunting!

Cheri Mello
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Hi Pat,

Your latest information makes it obvious which records on Ancestry pertain to your great grandfather.  His family was on the 1900 census living at 360 B Street in Oakland and included Manuel at age 37 born in Portugal; his wife Mary, age 26 born in Portugal; his son Manuel age 12 born in Hawaii; and daughter Mamie, age 10 born in California.  It says Manuel worked as an Iron Moulder.

I found that several trees (37) on Ancestry have your great grandfather and most have his death information correctly as dying 25 Apr 1936 in Malaga, Fresno, California.  Unfortunately, some have accepted an irrelevant hint for a marriage that took place in 1897 in mainland Portugal from the "Portugal, Select  Marriages 1670 - 1910.  This is the Manuel that was born in Arengoes; not yours.  I think that any reference you see suggesting that your great grandfather is from Arengoes, or that his parents are Domingos Baptista and Maria da Piedade, are based on this record for a different Manuel Baptista and should be disregarded.  By the time this Manuel Baptista got married in  Reguengo Do Fetal, Leiria, Portugal, yours was already living in Oakland with his wife and 2 children.

I hope you find this helpful.

Bill Seidler

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I did not find Manuel Baptista's arrival in Hawaii so I still cannot tell where he is from.  I did find his wife's (Maria Cunha) and was able to find her family's passport log entry leaving Ponta Delgada on the Hankow in 1883 at age 10 to go to Hawaii; and then her baptism in Ponta Delgada Sao Jose.  It turns out USA records had her birthdate correct as 10 Oct 1872; from my perspective this is unusual.

Baptism: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1870-1874/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1870-1874_item1/index.html?page=211 (#181)

Passaporte: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/index.html?page=158 (#777)

Bill Seidler

[Patricia Gray]

Bill: Thank you for this additional information. My sister and I have
been dabbling in genealogy for a couple of years but are now seriously
going to start searching. What doesn't help is the spelling variations
of the last names. We have 3 grandparents from the Azores and are
planning to visit the Azores within the next 5 years. Our other
grandparent is Greek, so we are also searching for him as well. My
nephew is going to Greece this year so hopefully he will be finding
more information about him. My 2 sisters will also be going to Greece
in a couple of years.

Thank you again for all your information.

Pat

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