Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

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Jeremy G. B-C

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:29:24 AM1/6/17
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Hello!

I just unearthed the marriage record of one set of ancestors of mine.   It is fairly neat writing and I don't have much trouble deciphering most of it.

I can make out that on November 27th 1779, Antonio de Quadros son of Antao Pereira de Quadros and Maria Ascencao (deasesed) married to Anna Pereira de Borba daughter of Simao Pereira de Cunha (deceased) and Maria (deceased).

I am however having trouble making out Anna (the bride's) mother's last name.... Gil? It looks like an abreviation for something.... whatever it is I am certiain I am misreading it.  If anyone has any thoughts on it please let me know!

The only other thing I would like to verify is that the grooms mother is deceased, not the grooms father.  I usually see defuncto after the parents names, but in this case it is before her name.... am I correct that she is the one that is deceased, and that Antao is living?


Thank you very much!

Jeremy B-C
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Rosemarie Capodicci

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Jan 6, 2017, 1:13:49 AM1/6/17
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The link, Jeremy!


Rosemarie
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Jeremy G. B-C

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Jan 6, 2017, 1:34:27 AM1/6/17
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Darn! I must be loosing my mind! Thanks for the heads up Rosemarie! 

Left entry.

Thanks!

Cheri Mello

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Jan 6, 2017, 1:40:38 AM1/6/17
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Bride's mom...Maria Gil, both parents deceased.

As for which of the groom's parents are deceased...It's supposed to be AFTER  the name, unless both are deceased,then it's after her name and has "defunctos" with the S.  Your record? Three words: Too much vinho.  Seriously though, I'm not sure what he meant. Look for a sibling of the groom getting married to figure it out.

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Jeremy G. B-C

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Jan 6, 2017, 1:55:51 AM1/6/17
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Awesome!
Thank you so much Cheri! I really appreciate the clarification. Figures that my record should be an oddball. ;-) my luck!
I'm amazed it really was Gil! I'd never seen that and due to its shortness I had assumed it was an abreviation. Is Gil a fairly rare last name?

Jeremy

Cheri Mello

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Jan 6, 2017, 1:57:23 AM1/6/17
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I've seen Gil somewhere, but I couldn't tell you where (probably this list). I don't think it's very common.

Cheri Mello
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Rosemarie Capodicci

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Jan 6, 2017, 10:20:59 AM1/6/17
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Jeremy, I agree with Cheri, the name is Gil and it's certainly a surname although James Guill's book The Azores Island, a History, spells it with two 'L's'. I think that the wife is dead because he says 'sua mulher, da funta (with an 'a') Maria ...

Rosemarie
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Marilyn Thompson

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Jan 6, 2017, 11:25:47 AM1/6/17
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Could the Gil/l be another spelling for Guill?

Margaret Vicente

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:11:48 PM1/6/17
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I have ancestry in S. Jorge and can say it is not too common there, but have come across a few families.  It is Gil.  It can be derived from a first Portuguese name Gil or, it could have had its origins with the Flanders, (French/German) 
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Ângela Loura

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:27:42 PM1/6/17
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(...) Antonio de Quadros filho de Antão Pereira de Quadros e de sua mulher defunta Maria da Ascenção (...)

(...) Antonio de Quadros son of Antão Pereira de Quadros and his deceased wife Maria da Ascenção (...)

Mary Bordi

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:27:57 PM1/6/17
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I was reading the names and I was thinking "Sao Jorge" and when you provided the link it was! (I like to do that.)

Anyway, I have Nunes Gil in my Sao Jorge ancestry. (Norte Grande.) Not sure how common it is, but it did exist in this timeframe.

Mary



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Ângela Loura

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:28:12 PM1/6/17
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By the way, there's a "Quadros" family in the RR book

Ângela Loura

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:28:18 PM1/6/17
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No, not at all.

(click on the sound icon on the left side to hear Portuguese GIL)

Jeremy G. B-C

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:39:58 PM1/6/17
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Awesome! Thank you! What is the RR book?

Cheri Mello

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Jan 6, 2017, 12:43:24 PM1/6/17
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RR=Rodrigo Rodrigues, the author of "Genealogies of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria islands." I would not go looking for your family on those islands. Or any other island until you trace them back in time and it tells you that they came from another island. No Goose Chases for you!

Cheri Mello
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Awesome! Thank you! What is the RR book?

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Jeremy;  I have a Quadros family from Velas, Sao Jorge.  Mine are:  Gaspar Quadros married to Maria da Cunha.  Children of the couple are: Isabel, Melicia, Joao and Vitoria.  Just in case you find we have a connection.

 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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Sandra Perez

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Jan 6, 2017, 7:53:49 PM1/6/17
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Jeremy,

6 - Antão Pereira de Quadros ou Pereira Barreto, alferes, que foi morador na Calheta e casou duas vezes a 3.11.1714 com Maria de Azevedo Machado, filha de Manuel de Barros Pereira e Ana Machado de Azevedo e a segunda com Antónia Maria.

Teve da primeira mulher:

7 - Rosa de Quadros.

7 - Manuel Machado de Azevedo, que casou na Ribeira Seca em S. Jorge a 25.9.1740 com Maria da Ascensão, do Topo, filha de Francisco Lopes de Sousa e Catarina de Sousa.


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Jeremy;  I have a Quadros family from Velas, Sao Jorge.  Mine are:  Gaspar Quadros married to Maria da Cunha.  Children of the couple are: Isabel, Melicia, Joao and Vitoria.  Just in case you find we have a connection.

 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

 

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Hello!

 

I just unearthed the marriage record of one set of ancestors of mine.   It is fairly neat writing and I don't have much trouble deciphering most of it.

 

I can make out that on November 27th 1779, Antonio de Quadros son of Antao Pereira de Quadros and Maria Ascencao (deasesed) married to Anna Pereira de Borba daughter of Simao Pereira de Cunha (deceased) and Maria (deceased).

 

I am however having trouble making out Anna (the bride's) mother's last name.... Gil? It looks like an abreviation for something.... whatever it is I am certiain I am misreading it.  If anyone has any thoughts on it please let me know!

 

The only other thing I would like to verify is that the grooms mother is deceased, not the grooms father.  I usually see defuncto after the parents names, but in this case it is before her name.... am I correct that she is the one that is deceased, and that Antao is living?

 

 

Thank you very much!

 

Jeremy B-C

Researching: Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, Terceira, Faial, Graciosa

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Shirley Allegre

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Jan 7, 2017, 1:32:25 PM1/7/17
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I have seen GIL in Terceira, Azores.
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Donald Vasconcelos

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There was a Gil family from the Azores who emigrated to Lawrence, MA in the 1950's. I remember the daughter being Maria Gil, and a son Frank Gil. Don't know which island they were from.
You might want to check the US census in 1950.

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Cheri Mello

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U.S. Censuses are not released for public viewing until 72 years after the census was taken. So the 1950 won't be released until sometime in 2020. You have a few more years to wait. Cheri

jeff knight

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Hi 
I'm new, but my great grandparents were lena and Manuel Gil or Gill, not sure which... records show both ways. They emigrated from Faial... around 1900ish.

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Cheri Mello

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Jeff K,

Gill = old spelling; Gil = New spelling.
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jeff knight

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Thank you Cheri!


Regards,
Jeff

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jeff knight

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Cheri,
thanks! I have no clue on what to do regarding the azores. I do plan to visit maybe next year, but are there resources I should start with?

Thanks so much!

jeff

Cheri Mello

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Jeff K,

The Azorean government digitized their records (1911 on back) and put them online. Use Tombo to access them. Click on the British flag if you need to navigate in English.
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jeff knight

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Boyd McKee Kitchen

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Jeff,
I looked at a database called CITCEM on the Islands of Faial and Pico for the name Manuel Gil. The name is found in about half of the parishes on Faial and a couple of parishes on Pico, but is uncommon. I found only one Manuel Gil, born in 1879, that might be your great grandfather. It might be worth looking into the following possibility:

If this is your ancestor, the database did not find his marriage. But it might be a starting point.

Boyd




jeff knight

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Boyd,
Thank you so much! It sounds about right to me. He married Lena. I need to ask my cousin in Providence about this. He knows way more than I do. I did go by the Azores when I was in the Navy. They're stunning.

I'll find a bit more info, and let you know, but I think you may have the right info.

BRs,
jeff

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