Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Sarah Stinson]

Hello Azores group,

I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das Flores, Horta) parish, but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking? Can anyone prove help with this? 

Thank you,

Sarah S

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sarah S,

The Azores Gen Web is a great place to start: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/

The "how to" is here: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar

I don't know why you picked Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz when you only know the Azores. That's like someone saying they know their ancestor is from the United States, so they just pick Waypoint Church in Omaha, Nebraska because it happens to be in the middle of the country. I checked Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz and there is no Antonio on the date you provided. Make more of a paper trail in the U.S. using the suggestions in the "how to" on the Azores GenWeb. You need to figure out if it is indeed Flores and then you need to figure out the village (freguesia).
Cheri Mello

Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Sarah Stinson]

Hi Cheri,

Thanks for checking. I found an Antonio recorded on Jan 8th, 1877 in the Flores Santa Cruz parish records. Maybe the link I sent you was incorrect?

Anyway, the last name is hard to make out, but the birthdate is correct. Could this be the right guy?

Thanks,

Sarah

[Cheri Mello]

I am on my cell. I see an attached image. One side is a Constanino and the other is Josė.

You still haven't said why you are picking Flores island and that parish. I believe in your original message you said you only knew that your ancestor was born in the Azores. I don't understand what has led you to N.S. da Conceição on Flores. Cheri

[Sarah Stinson]

Family lore says Flores island. I indicated that in my original message. I don't know the parish, that's true. Please look at the attachment when you have computer access. 

Thanks again,

Sarah

[Cheri Mello]

Sarah,

The record you are sending is for a Constantino and a Joao.

Your original email said, "born on Flores but are not 100% sure." You didn't say family lore. It sounded like a guess.

You need more documentation in America to be more certain of Flores. What census work have you done on your ancestor? Was he in America during WWI and did you pull his draft registration card? Did he naturalize and if so, did you order his naturalization packet from the USCIS? Do you have his death certificates and his obituaries from the newspapers?

It's rare for our illiterate ancestors to give the correct birth date. It's off sometimes. Where are you getting that birth date from?  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[linda]

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880_item1/P40.html

Link to the first page of the record which is for twins, Antonio and Jose. The attachment is the second page. I only have my phone, so I can't make out the birth dates--maybe in the twenties?

Without supporting information, as Cheri says, it's not really possible to know if it's the right Antonio. If you can get as much data from US sources as you can, it will save you much time and effort in the long run.

Best wishes,

Linda

[Cheri Mello]

It's not Jan. 8th. I need to know how that date is being obtained. Flores has about 10 churches to search. No guarantee that the dad is a Gonçalves either. Who are Antonio's parents and how do you know?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Hey Sarah could he be from Porto Formoso, Sao Miguel? I have a long line of paternal male ancestor with Goncalves. I have lots of Antonio's who have Antonio's as sons. Tell me a bit more about your grandfather or  mom. What was Antonio's wife's name?

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Here is a Antonio born in 1877 to a Goncalves, he is a cousin of my great grandfather. ( bottom right n*19)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1870-1879_item1/P242.html

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 12:11:23 AM UTC-4, Sarah Stinson wrote:

[linda]

So, on the record for the twins, Antonio and Jose:

Using my tablet, I can read the birthdate as January 21. The father’s last name is given as “Jorge”, the grandfathers’ are Jorge Furtado and Avelar, and The Godfather’s is Alvarez.

Sarah, I’m afraid it seems unlikely that this is your great grandfather’s record.

We all want to help, so if you can gather as much of the information that Cheri suggested to start with, it will give you the best possible leads to go in the right direction.

Hope this helps,

Linda

[Sarah Stinson]

Thanks for all of your help, guys! I'm going to call my Dad and get more info. 

As a side note, the absolutely gorgeous handwriting in some of these documents *almost* makes up for their illegibility. Haha.

Stay tuned...

Sarah

[Sarah Stinson]

Ola group,

Here's what I learned from my Dad:

"Antonio Goncalves b. Jan 8, 1877, Flores, m. Anna Diogo b. June 18, 1877, Flores. Came to the US around 1902. Eventually moving to Carson City area of Nevada where two children were born. Moved to Oakland abt. 1920. Antonio died 1936, Anna in 1938. Both buried in Contra Costa County, CA."

I'm searching for the birth certificate/record of Antonio Goncalves to help my Mom apply for Portuguese citizenship.

Again, thanks for your help!

Sarah

On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:11:23 PM UTC-7, Sarah Stinson wrote:

[linda meneses]

Sarah, you may be in luck! There's a Flores marriage index. If no one beats me to it, I'll try accessing it this evening.

😀

Linda 

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[Cheri Mello]

Sarah S,

I thought this was your mom's side???

I searched the entire Flores marriage book (it's basically an index of the records that are online at the CCA) and there is no Antonio Gonçalves who married Anna anywhere on the island. There is no Antonio Gonçalves getting married in any parish on the island of Flores.

You'll need to do more U.S. research. If you are SURE he's from Flores, then he's dropped a name and you'll need to find out what that name is.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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[Sarah Stinson]

They married in the US. My Dad is the historian, this is my Mom's side.

I'm looking for birth records.

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[Cheri Mello]

Since you are searching for you mom's citizenship, I suggest you do an Internet search for genealogy services and hire a company to do the research for you. Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[luiznoia .]

The only Antonio Goncalves born in the town Santa Cruz, Flores around this time is the one seen at the bottom right, born 8 Dec 1879

son of Jose Caetano da Silva Gonsalves and Emilia Rosa da Conceicao

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880_item1/P136.html

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

["E" Sharp]

Sarah,

From what I can tell, they were probably married in the U.S.  Probably MA??  Then they came to CA.  Were any of their children born in MA?  Did they have a daughter Eva or some semblance of that name?  1936 obituaries for Oakland are online but I don't know what month he died.  Also, maybe they bought the "Portuguese" insurance and, in that case, Celeste might be able to help you with this and maybe that will give more info??  

"E"

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sarah Stinson <sast...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:

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[luiznoia .]

Sarah, 

The obit for Anna Diogo Gonsalves shows she was buried at St Josephs .  I checked the St Joseph's in Alameda, Fremont, and San Pablo, 

but she is not listed. 

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sarah Stinson <sast...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:

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[luiznoia .]

The obit for Antonio Gonsalves is not in the 1936  Oakland Tribune . I have found that more Portuguese placed obits in the Oakland Post during the 1920s and 30s.

This can be found at the Oakland Main library on microfilm.

Eric Edgar

["E" Sharp]

The obit says Council 78 S.P.R.S.I......are these records available somewhere, Celeste????

"E"

[celeste perry]

I think the SPRSI merged with Luso. I don't know about their "privacy" issues. Most of my knowledge is from UPPEC, Hayward council #15, that merged with PFSA. They don't give out any information as far as I know about any of their members alive or dead.

Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com

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[luiznoia .]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:42 PM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:

He is Antonio Souza Gonsalves. There is an UPEC death record for him dated 17 Mar 1936 at Ancestry. 

Member 176 of Conselho # 56 East Oakland , joined 30 Jul 1913. Wife is Anna Souza Gonsalves

He does not appear in the UPEC register for #56 at AzoresGenWeb. It ends with 1911.

In the 1910 census Antone and Anna are living in Sparks, Washoe, Nevada with daughter Evalina. He says he naturalized in 1900.

The 1920 cenus shows Antone and Annie living at 1175 63rd St, Oakland . Two daughters born in Nevada, Evelena and Margarite

Antone arrived in 1886 and naturalized in 1902. Annie arrived 1906, and naturalized 1906, so that would be the year they married likely.

Here is a news article that names Antonio as a cousin from 18 Mar 1935 Oakland Tribune . The address is same as census of 1920. 1175 63rd St

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:

[luiznoia .]

Here's the obit of Mary Gonsalves named as cousin of Antone from 5 June 1934  Oakland Tribune 

[Sarah Stinson]

They had 2 daughters: Margaret (my grandmother) and Evlin/Evelyn(?). I believe that at least one daughter was born in Nevada.

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[Sarah Stinson]

Thank you! This is great!

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[luiznoia .]

He is Antonio Souza Gonsalves. There is an UPEC death record for him dated 17 Mar 1936 at Ancestry. 

Member 176 of Conselho # 56 East Oakland , joined 30 Jul 1913. Wife is Anna Souza Gonsalves

He does not appear in the UPEC register for #56 at AzoresGenWeb. It ends with 1911.

In the 1910 census Antone and Anna are living in Sparks, Washoe, Nevada with daughter Evalina. He says he naturalized in 1900.

The 1920 cenus shows Antone and Annie living at 1175 63rd St, Oakland . Two daughters born in Nevada, Evelena and Margarite

Antone arrived in 1886 and naturalized in 1902. Annie arrived 1906, and naturalized 1906, so that would be the year they married likely.

Here is a news article that names Antonio as a cousin from 18 Mar 1935 Oakland Tribune . The address is same as census of 1920. 1175 63rd St

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sarah Stinson]

Thank you!

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[Sarah Stinson]

This article is fascinating! I really want to know who ended up opening the mysterious package wrapped in newspaper!

Was there any follow-up article?

Also, my Mom had never read the obituary for her grandmother Anna. She was very appreciative of your efforts :-)

Thanks to everyone who responded and was helpful.