Some help

[Gordon soares]

What other ports of entry would someone come through if not Ellis Island? I have searched Ellis Island for my grandfather Jesse Ferreira and have not found him. There is a possibility of someone with like name (Ferrero which was a misspelling of his name on a census document) leaving the Azores on a New Zealand ship Admiral Sampson NZ bound for Port Antonio, Jamaica in 1902. The date is a match but that is a long shot. I don’t know how to proceed but would want to look for other US ports of disembarking. Anybody have some suggestions?

Gordon

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Gordon,

I searched for my grandfather and his family for years coming in to NY. I knew the ship, the Madonna, the date too and could not find them on the ship manifest. Then when Ellis Island was being remodeled, I asked my Tia (grandpa's sis) if she remembered seeing the Statue of Liberty and Ellis when they arrived. She said, no, we landed in Providence RI!!! 35 years of looking in NY and there they were, coming into RI. You have to realize that the Passenger Manifests stayed in the Port of Entry. So,the Madonna went to Providence first dropped off passengers and then on to NY! Problem solved. 

Rosemarie

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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:27 AM Gordon soares <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:

What other ports of entry would someone come through if not Ellis Island? I have searched Ellis Island for my grandfather Jesse Ferreira and have not found him. There is a possibility of someone with like name (Ferrero which was a misspelling of his name on a census document) leaving the Azores on a New Zealand ship Admiral Sampson NZ bound for Port Antonio, Jamaica in 1902. The date is a match but that is a long shot. I don’t know how to proceed but would want to look for other US ports of disembarking. Anybody have some suggestions?

Gordon

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Both my maternal grandparents from Terceira to Providence RI 

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[Nancy Couto]

Gordon, my maternal grandfather and his mother and sisters arrived in New Bedford in 1901. My father and his mother and siblings arrived in Boston in 1920. My maternal grandmother and her mother were the only ones in my family to enter through Ellis Island. Immigrants who landed in New York prior to 1892 probably came through Castle Garden. 

Nancy

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[Susan Murphy]

I have the same story as Rosemary…..searched for my last grandfather to arrive (1913) for years in New York…and then Boston and Philadelphia too…….and THEN i saw a sticker on the wooden box that held his viola, carried from the Azores……and saw part of the word Providence on that sticker…..At that time, the information was not released to the pubic as it was too recent, and I had a worker at the National Archives in Washington DC search for me…….Eureka!  

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[Scott Edward Anderson]

Hola Gordon,

Boston, Massachusetts,
and Providence, Rhode Island, are two other port possibilities.

Scott

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> On May 29, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Gordon soares <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What other ports of entry would someone come through if not Ellis Island? I have searched Ellis Island for my grandfather Jesse Ferreira and have not found him. There is a possibility of someone with like name (Ferrero which was a misspelling of his name on a census document) leaving the Azores on a New Zealand ship Admiral Sampson NZ bound for Port Antonio, Jamaica in 1902. The date is a match but that is a long shot. I don’t know how to proceed but would want to look for other US ports of disembarking. Anybody have some suggestions?
>
> Gordon
>

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Gordon,

The main ports on the east coast of America for Portuguese immigration are: Providence, Boston, New Bedford, and New York. Gloucester was a port from 1906-1943.

It was up to the ship captain to decided where his passengers would be counted if he stopped at 2 ports. I have one ancestor who sailed into New York (Ellis) and then on to New Bedford. She is counted in Ellis/NY. The other sailed into NY and then to Boston. He is counted in Boston.

Information from "They Came in Ships" by John P. Colletta

Boston: 1 Aug 1891- Dec 1943 NARA roll T843. Indices from 1 Jan 1902-30 Jun 1906 (T521). There's more, but this covers your 1902 date.

New Bedford: 1 Jul 1902-Jul1942 (T944); Indices 1 Jul 1902-18 Nov 1954 (T5222). You didn't say when in 1902 you think your ancestor came.

New York: This is online, as you know.

Providence: 17 Jun 1911 - Jan 1943 (T1188); Indices 18 Jun 1911-5 Oct 1954 (T518) and more...This does not cover your 1902 date.

Information from "American Passenger Arrival Records" by Michael Tepper, copyright 1993, pp. 125-128

To New York:The Insular Navigation Company sailed from Lisbon and the Azores and they went to New Bedford and New York. Their only ship that year was the Peninsular, arriving in NY on these dates: Jan. 11, May 17, July 7, Aug 25, Oct 18, Dec 13.

The Linha de Vapores Portuguezes also sailed from Lisbon and the Azores. Their ship was the Patria and arrived in NY on Apr. 7, June 6, and Sept 16.

Information from "Morton Allan Directory," published 1931 with several reprints (mine is 2001) pp. 84-88.

Keep in mind that if your ancestor had an alcunha, he may have entered under that name instead of Ferreira. And I hope you are searching under Jacinto and Jacintho as well as Jesse.

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[M. Stringer]

Hi,

My grandmother and family arrived at New Bedord, MA (July 7, 1904, S. S.
Patria). Per the ship's roster, their destination was her mother's sister
in Cambridge, MA.

Her (and siblings') Naturalization papers were the core resources. They
cited their ship and other details about their journey and familes in the
US.

There were other East Coast points of entry - some entries via Canada.
Other helpful resources could be clues/details in censuses, directories,
newspapers.

Cheers,

Marsha Stringer
stri...@mstringer.net

[Gordon soares]

Cheri

Thanks this is all very helpful. How do I search these ports of call? Do I search”Boston 1902 ship passenger lists from AZORES”?

I have been looking for Jacinto and Jacintho. 

Gordon

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[Cheri Mello]

Gordon,

I don't know where you are searching. Ancestry? My Heritage? Fold 3? Or at your local Family History Center?

Did you find your ancestor LEAVING the Azores too?  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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[Gordon soares]

I’m using Family Search. I can’t find them leaving the Azores either.  I’m beginning to think Jesse came somehow illegally but his wife Maria ( what else?) came a year or two later with my Uncle Manuel (you probably could guess) around 1902 or as late as 1904 but not later based on my uncles age. 

Gordon

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[Cheri Mello]

Hi Gordon,

OK, I can't remember all the particulars. You may want to start the thread over with a new post to the list and call it Searching for Jacinto (Jesse) Ferreria, b. XXXX, Sao Miguel island. Put what you've found, what has turned up nothing for you, etc.

For now, I would suggest chasing Maria (the wife) around, or Manuel, their son around. Something may turn up when you go the long way around. Your estimates for your Jesse's ages may be off or your immigration dates may be off, or Jesse isn't immigrating under the name of Jacinto Ferreira, he's coming in under Jacinto Misterioso or some alcunha you don't know about yet (I'm trying to be funny with the "misterioso" word).

I looked at your DNA and the tree you have posted at FTDNA. You have 3 distinct lines. Your paternal side appears to be Pico. Your maternal side appears to Sao Miguel and mainland Portugal. Since your Jacinto was born to parents from the mainland, you may be able to separate this line out. You need to test your first cousins on your maternal side first. And you need to work your DNA matches. If you know how you match them, then activate the parental matching. It doesn't matter what side. You have to work from the known to the unknown, no matter how much you want to focus on your Jesse. You have to work with what you have at hand and the moment.

I will be at a genealogy conference all weekend. FTDNA is a vendor and will have show prices. I will post to the list when I find out the pricing.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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[Walt Teixeira]

Gordon,

Take a look at Doug Holmes website of Portuguese Passenger Ship lists - http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html   Info is listed by ports, dates, ships, etc.  Hope this helps.

Walt