Looking for information on my Great Grand Parents

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Don Miguel

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Jun 22, 2019, 11:58:05 AM6/22/19
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Attached file is all I can find so far.

Jocintho Miguel 1862/1863

Antonia Rega (Miguel)  1863/1864

Ant help pointing us in the right direction would be grateful!
CCF06222019_0000.pdf

Cheri Mello

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:07:02 PM6/22/19
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Don M,


Because Hawaii was a U.S. Territory for awhile, there are other sources (they have an 1890 Kingdom of Hawaii census - order from your local Family History Center. Ancestry didn't scan everything). Also you may want to try this Portuguese Hawaiian web site: www.yourislandroutes.com

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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Don Miguel

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:18:14 PM6/22/19
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Thank You!!
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Jun 22, 2019, 12:30:42 PM6/22/19
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Don, 
Just FYI, Jesse is usually the nickname for Jacintho/Jacinto (Ja not Jo). I checked the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories by Freitas and the family is not listed. The AzoresGenWeb site is a great place to start and also the Hawaiian website that Cheri gave to you. Since the birth was not found in the Vital Records you need to check out the Catholic Church in their town and try and get the baptisms of the children. If the village is listed anywhere it may be there. 

Rosemarie
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Cheri Mello

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:47:00 PM6/22/19
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Don M.,

Also contact the Portuguese Genealogical and Historical Society of Hawaii. They have a lot of resources. A LOT of it is contributed works, so be sure to verify it with other sources.  https://www.portuguesegenealogicalandhistoricalsocietyofhawaii.com/


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Don Miguel

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Jun 22, 2019, 1:12:27 PM6/22/19
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Don Miguel

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Jun 22, 2019, 1:18:41 PM6/22/19
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Thank You, We are headed to Delgada in August for 2 weeks house hunting and plan on doing some research while there.

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TERESA Phillips

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Jun 22, 2019, 9:46:37 PM6/22/19
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Don:

If the person who called about getting a birth certificate said Charly was born on Molokai and not in Honolulu, that may explain why the Dept of Health had no record.  One thing I have learned about Hawaii--they do not play well with others and don't necessarily follow the same basic procedures.  Honestly, I'm surprised whoever called even got them to check over the phone.  Based on my experience, when it comes to getting records if you don't have the CORRECT information shown on the document you will rarely get a copy of it.  It is highly possible there was no record on Molokai for your ancestor because it actually exists for Oahu.  Basically, they could have had all of the information correct except the place of birth and would have been told no record, even though all of that same info brought up a record for a person in Honolulu.  The reality is that the printed documents we can get through them will usually just list generalized location (Portugal, Maui, Oahu, etc) if at all.  It was the original "Territory of Hawaii" version that usually went into great detail (from the ones I've seen anyway).  But if we had that we wouldn't be looking, right?  As Rosemarie suggested church records are often more detailed and easier to obtain.  However, you still have to be looking in the right area.

As an example:  we had an adventure getting my mother-in-law's birth certificate and we were standing there in person (records for all islands are obtained in Honolulu).  She was hanai--a legal Hawaiian adoption at the time but unofficial on paper.  Even with her date and place of birth (a very small town on Maui--census done 3 months before her birth shows all of 100 people living in it) , given name, and biological mother's first name (MIL knew that much) they told us there was no record.  After much talking, pleading, and producing hubbies birth certificate and his parents marriage certificate (ie: purchasing another as the ones we had were back on the mainland), they finally gave us her birth certificate.  For the record, her middle and surname were listed differently on all three records--only her given stayed the same.  Not like they could follow on paper it was the same person, so why????  Our only guess that they are so picky is too many people are trying to be "royal" hawaiian.  Perhaps they have done this out of necessity.  Imaging & online access  of census and other records is great for those of us trying to find family but too easy for less than honorable folks trying to create false ties.  Probably off the mark but as good a theory as any.

Hopefully I've been able to share a little knowledge to assist you, even though probably not truly helpful in getting your information.  

Teresa Phillips




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Cheri Mello

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Jun 22, 2019, 10:03:39 PM6/22/19
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I know it took Kalani Mondoy a long time to get his mother's birth certificate (and she's alive and well). I remember him saying he got A LOT of that running around stuff that government officials tell the public!

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Cheri Mello

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Jun 23, 2019, 10:59:51 AM6/23/19
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The Knowlton book has Antonia as 19. The Bob De Mello has the same thing and lists Jacinto as the son of Miguel de Medeiros and Maria de Jesus from Bretanha.

I will type up the full citation in a few hours. Cheri
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Cheri Mello

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Jun 23, 2019, 9:19:05 PM6/23/19
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"Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii" compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, copyright 1993 by the Maui Portuguese Cultural Club, page 282
Medeiros, Jacintho Mi
guel de, Monarch 1882, from Sao Miguel
with Antonia Hermina do Rego, 19.

"Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich Isles, 1879-1883," by Bob De Mello (no stated copyright, but he published in the 1980s or so, therefore it is copyrighted), page 237

Medeiros, Jacintho Miguel de, age 21
Father: Miguel de Medeiros
Mother: Maria de Jesus
From: Bretanha
Wife: Antonia Ermina, 19
On the Monarch

The Monarch left Sao Miguel island on Mar. 28, 1882 and arrived in Hawaii in April, May or June.

Check the OUTBOUND "passaportes" beginning on 28 Mar 1882 (or so) and work your way back. It's before image 100:
Good luck,

Cheri Mello
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Cheri Mello

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Jun 23, 2019, 9:22:11 PM6/23/19
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Oops. The URL for the OUTBOUND passaportes is here: https://tombo.pt/d/acores#PDL
Cheri Mello
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