"A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS" by James H. Guill.

[Manaia]

Hello:

"A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS" by James H. Guill. 45 years in the
making; 662 pages. Only history book written in English on the Azores.
Has councils, churches, maps, and surnames. Excellent reference. Out
of print. Check with your library to see if it can be inter-library
loaned.

(It is Labor Day weekend here in California, USA.)

Anyone have this book? Anyone know of this book? If you have it, can
you do a lookup for:

Augustino da SILVA and/or SILVIERA? Or de SILVA NOBRES de GRACA? c.
1806.

Augustino started a new life on the Samoa Island c.1830. I would love
to know name of ship he was on. Family folklore is he "jumped" ship
near the Samoa Islands (supposedly he had been to the Islands once
before).

Anyone know anything regarding Horta, Azores, Portugal?

All suggestions are so welcomed! Thank you.
....

Regards,
--Manaia

[Denis...@aol.com]

Hello Manaia,

 

I have this book, it is not a compilation of names or anything.  It is a history of the islands.  It does list info about some of the earliest settlers but not in the 1806 time frame you mentioned.

 

I don't know much about Horta, but someone else on the list might.  Good luck!

 

Denise D'Antona

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Tree-mendous gratitudes! Denise!

Just receiving latest email regarding Celeste who is
in Azores vacationing and will be in Horta tomorrow
(she's probably there now).

I have asked if she can do a lookup for
Augustino de SILVA/SILVIERA c.1806
while she's searching for others on Horta.

Thank you kindly.
....

Regards,
--Manaia

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Manaia,

I don’t know if this person is still on the list and if you were aware of her but it sounds like both of you are looking for the same person.

Good Luck

From: "Joy Hughes" < lrhu...@dodo.com.au>
Subject: [AZORES] SILVEIRA/DE SILVA FAMILIES - Faial & Flores Marriage Certs.
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:20:45 +1100

I am researching a Catholic Priest, Augustino SILVEIRA (born roughly about 1815 - this is a guess only) who was a Catholic Priest for the Islands of Faial and Flores.

He left the AZORES in the 1840's on a whaling ship and disembarked at Samoa. He married and had 6 children - his eldest child was born 18 March 1848 in Samoa and was called Manuel DE SILVA ( I understand SILVEIRA and DE SILVA are the same).

1. Does anyone have a family marriage certificate with the priest's name recorded as Augustino SILVEIRA on Faial or Flores in the 1840's or earlier?

2. Can anyone help me find his parents? I ordered a film
through a Family History Centre but it was in Portuguese and
somewhat difficult to read so I had to return it without receiving any benefit as I unfortunately cannot read Portuguese.

Many thanks,

Joy in Australia

[Cheri Mello]

Mary,

Joy Hughes never been on this list.  That is a message from the Rootsweb list.  Maybe Manaia can contact her directly :)  I hope the email address is still good.

Cheri

[manaia alofa]

Hello Mary:

Thank you kindly!

I have/had written to Joy countless times during the
years. Yet, I have been always one or two steps behind
her trail then her addy was defunct.

I have just tried the addy you so kindly shared and if
I don't receive a "not at this address" response then
I will cross my fingers and maybe she's back from her
sabbatical.

<G>

Azores is soooo far from Samoa, really like Mars is
from Earth.

I have never heard anyone discuss what it feels like
when one part of their lineage is gone... is there a
word for what I'm trying to say?

You know. Augustino is Portugese and meets a woman
from Samoa. Their kids are half-Portugese/Samoan. Then
their kids meet Germans till now the line is diluted
all the way to being Samoan now.

Such a shame and I cry silently for Augustino's
Portugese family. Reminds me of the Natives of the
Americas.

Thanks truly!
....

Regards,
--Manaia

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[manaia alofa]

Hello Cheri:

I have emailed Joy using the addy Mary sent - My
fingers are crossed too.

"checked in the Family History Library Catalog lists
13 churches for
Faial. Horta had 2 or 3 churches. One church doesn't
have film until 1840." --Cheri

Your post in response to my query dated AUG 03 2007.

--- Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary,
>
> Joy Hughes never been on this list. That is a
> message from the Rootsweb
> list. Maybe Manaia can contact her directly :) I
> hope the email address is
> still good.
>
> Cheri
>
> On 9/2/07, Mary Blake <mbl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >

> > *Manaia,*
> >
> > *I don't know if this person is still on the list

> and if you were aware of
> > her but it sounds like both of you are looking for

> the same person.*
> >
> > *Good Luck*
> >
>
>
>
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[manaia alofa]

Hello Cheri:

I have emailed Joy using the addy Mary sent - My
fingers are crossed too.

"checked in the Family History Library Catalog lists
13 churches for
Faial. Horta had 2 or 3 churches. One church doesn't
have film until 1840." --Cheri

Your post in response to my query dated AUG 03 2007.

Oh noooo. Pressed the wrong button!

I have only been receiving digest post from
AZORES-Genealogy since beginning. Only been getting
individual posts since yesterday.

What gives? How is this happenin?

Kudos! and Take a Bow!
....

Regards,
--Manaia

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> Mary,
>
> Joy Hughes never been on this list. That is a
> message from the Rootsweb
> list. Maybe Manaia can contact her directly :) I
> hope the email address is
> still good.
>
> Cheri
>

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[Jessica Lima]

Hello fellow Azorean enthusiasts!
 
I was just wondering if anyone knows if this book, "A History of the Azores Islands" by James H. Guill, is available at the arquivo in Angra, Terceira.  I just came back from a week in Terceira and I was able to view the 9 volume work of Genealogias da Ilha Terceira but I did not check to see if they had Guill's book available.
I also have a question to put out for anyone who knows a lot about the 9 volume work.  Do you know if the families, listed in this work that just came out, are prodominately of the higher class?  I looked for my family Lima which are prodominately from Porto Judeu, Terceira but all the Limas in that volume resided in the Se, Terceira.  I am assuming that the Se was one of the most expensive places to live in Terceira in the 1700-1800's.
 
I saw Joao Ventura at the Arquivo, but I didn't talk to him because  I was too shy.  I think he is related to me through my aunts marriage to a relative of his.  I loved being at the arquivo in Angra.  It was extraordinary! I got so much of my family history uncovered and I befriended a lot of the women who work their especially the main secretary that handles and searches for the books.  I must have gotten over 50 documents. I still can't believe that I was touching books and documents from the 1700's.  What an experience! For anyone that has the time, money and language skills to tackle their genealogy, I highly recommend going to Terceira and doing it themselves.  It comes out cheaper too because each copy is about 5 cents.  The money you save pays for your plane ticket. Mind you that finding the documents takes time and patience LOTS OF PATIENCE.... with the occasional squinting of the eyes, scraching of the head and the thought "What the hell is that word?" My parents thought I was insane! Always at the arquivo.. Where's Jessica? At the arquivo again???
Sorry I wrote so much!!! It was nice telling my story though! Hope to hear back from many of you!
One more thing....Later on in the week I am hoping to type up a rough draft of the info I got for my family tree in hopes that I might make a connection with some of you and we can help each other out!
 
Sincerely,
Jessica M. Lima
Toronto, Canada

[joao ventura]

Hello Jessica,

Glad to hear about your positive experience in
Terceira. Why didn't you talk to me? I don't bite!
LOL.

About the 9 volume genealogy work: most families
there have connections to nobility. There are other
families, with no direct connection to the noble
families, but connect to people that are considered
important (members of the government, lawyers,
doctors, engineers, priests....). I believe that you
will have some connection to the families in that
book: I have done the genealogy of Porto Judeu and I
am quite positive that all individuals descend from
the settlers.

João Ventura
Terceira

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[Cliff Nye]

Jessica
Go on line to the internet and just enter the title and author. There is a good chance you will get a kick back of a book store which has a used copy. They’re out of print and have been for a long time with not much chance for future reprints. He’s dead. The daughter is very busy in her job and taking care of her mother so it may be a long time before she ever has a chance to print a new edition. She has all of his notes so it is possible she will do it when she retires. Who knows. Anyway, try going into Google like I said. Then, if no results, go into one of the book store sites, such as Borders. They will have a search section where you enter the name and search for the book. This is how I found my copy several years ago. It was in a small book store in San Diego. Borders is the intermediate between the small book store and the buyer. Anyway, there is always a chance of finding one.
Good luck and God Bless

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[Cheri Mello]

Theresa posted that it is on Ebay.  There's also inter-library loan.

 

Cheri

 

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[Maria Sousa]

Jessica,

 

Thank you for sharing your story.  I, too, had the privilege of visiting an arquivo in Portugal and had the same experience.  To actually touch and read the books from the 1800s, 1700s is truly an amazing feeling.  The women at the arquivo I visited were so helpful and made me feel so welcome.  They had recognized my name from my many emails with the arquivo (they actually had a file with all my requests).   I can't wait for the opportunity to go back!

 

I, too, would recommend it to anyone who has the opportunity. 

 

Maria Sousa

[Cliff Nye]

HI Maria
You make me want to get on a plane so much and just go  to the Islands. My first stop would now be Ponta Delgada Arquivo on São Miguel. That’s where ther records are suppose to be on my Ggrandfather, Jose Simão and his family who are suppose to have come from Capellas, São Miguel. Susan Vargas Murphy found him for me while in Salt Lake City. So, after all of these years, I finally know something about a Ggrandfather I never knew. That makes me want to go to the Açores even more. I would love to walk into Nossa Senhora da Conceição in Santa Cruz, my family parish, and just sit there and feel it, the feeling of my past, of who I am 50% of , my mothers Grandmothers family. To See my paternal side, I will have to go to the continent to Aveiro to my Grandfathers families business. Yes, they  are still there, still running the business. I found them a year or two ago and actually spoke to my cousin by cell phone as she speaks English. I couldn’t believe what was happening to me when my cell phone rang and I answered it and it was her. Her father, to whom I wrote a long letter and who spoke to a friend of mine, Luis K.W.(from Azores L), who helped me tremendously in finding my family.

Anyway, due to my health, going to the Açores is nothing more then a pipe dream. It won’t happen so I dream through all of your postings.
Anyway, God Bless one and all

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Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel,  Avellar(also on Corvo) Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and Pieters

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[Maria Sousa]

Cliff,

 

I remember your family from Aveiro - I believe it was the furniture business.  I remember Luis calling your family members.     I believe when you finally found them - - wasn't it a place called Boa Sorte  or the name of the street was Boa Sorte - which translates to Good Luck.  I am happy that you have been in contact with your cousin over there and that she does speak english. 

 

My family comes from a 2 hour drive north of Aveiro. 

 

Maria

[Cliff Nye]

HI Maria, my dear friend.
You’re been along with me on most of my adventures. I recall you were right there as all of this was unfolding, having, I might add, as much fun as me. I’ll never forget the email from Luis about how he had spoken to my cousin, who was in his 80’s, and how he said I was definitely family. My Grandfather was his Uncle. He was my mothers Generation so everything fit. My cousin who called me was in her 50’s so she was my age. It was the end of a long search, all thanks to my pot smoking hippy Uncle in the mountains of Oregon. I’m so glad he had a phone for his  knife business. He’s a relatively famous knife maker. He was written up in a book on straight blade knifes by a Professor in Israel or London. All I can remember is that I was the intermediary for him. I would email the Professor and he would email me back with a message for my Uncle. I would then call him. He didn’t want the number released so I didn’t do it. Anyway, the Professor finally sent him a copy of the book when it was released. He was very proud of that one. He’s in just about every book on knifes worth a darn. Anyone curious can google “Gay Rocha” and find all the internet stories about him. I think my Grandfather had something in for him when he was born. It was his fourth marriage and he had two more sons by this wife. So, the youngest, he named “Gay”. Really did toughen him up. If you happen to see a picture of him, he looks like a Rabbi. He wears a fedora wherever he leaves home so that people don’t hassle him. They all think he is a Rabbi.
Anyway, he’s a lot of fun, but it was his memory as a youngster about his dad that helped me find my family. I posted the info., Luis K.W. Saw it and “bingo”, history was made. And You Were There My Friend!!
Stick around.The better stuff is still to come. I’m now working on my Ggrandfather, who was just found for me by Susan Vargas Murphy, another dear Friend.
Stick around

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[Jessica Lima]

Marriages from : Cabo da Praia, Fonte do Bastardo, Porto Judeu, Ribeirinha, Altares & Lages.
 
Hello All,
I am posting my latest findings of my family tree.  If anyone finds a couple that rings a bell please contact me I have more names and dates to verify the link.  Please keep in mind that these couples are organized under the village they were married in and not necessarily the village they were born or lived in. 
Hope to hear from many of you!   Jessica Lima
 
Cabo da Praia
Joao Goncalves da Costa + Jacintha Roza
Francisco Vieira Homem + Catharina Luiza Marianna
Joao de Barcellos + Maria Candida do Coracao de Jesus
Fonte do Bastardo
Julio Goncalves da Costa + Maria Borges Vieira
Francisco Borges Toste Fagundes + Genovefa de Jesus Vieira
Francisco Borges Toste Fagundes + Maria Candida do Coracao de Jesus
Jose Machado Vieira + Candida de Jesus
Jacintho Borges + Maria Luiza
Antonio Toste Fagundes + Rita Marianna
Joao Machado Vieira + Genovefa de Jesus
Joao de Souza Pereira + Maria Candida
Joao Goncalves da Costa + Maria Augusta
Joao Goncalves da Costa + Joaquina Augusta Borges
Thome Gomes + Jacinta Leonarda
Manoel Martins Menezes + Francisca Pontes de Menezes Martins
Jose de Ponte + Gertrudes da Conceicao
Porto Judeu
Jose de Mello Pires + Maria Constanca Rocha
Antonio de Mello Pires + Maria Madalena
Manuel da Rocha Cardoso + Constanca Victorina
Antonio de Mello Pires + Rita Maria/ Marianna
Antonio Macahdo Gatto + Maria Josefa
Joao da Rocha Cardoso + Isabel Ignacio
Manuel Ignacio da Silveira + Joaquina Lauriana
Francisco Jose de Lima + Constanca Rocha Amelia
Jose de Barcellos + Maria do Carmo
Ribeirinha
Antonio Machado de Castro + Maria Rosa Eugenia Jaques Castro
Antonio Machado de Castro + Francisco Candida das Dores
Francisco Vas Toste + Maria de Jesus
Manoel Goncalves Valladao + Francisco de Jesus
Antonio Cardoso Jacques + Francisca Rosa
Jose Cardoso Jacques + Faustina de Carmo
Francisco Luiz da Costa + Catharina Rosa
Manoel Cardoso Jacques + Joquina Roza
Francisco Gomes + Maria do Carmo
Julio Martins Menezes + Maria da Conceicao Coderniz
Francisco Machado Codorniz + Maria da Conceicao
Francisco Machado Codorniz + Victorina Candida
Joao Jose Machado Evangelho + Catharina Eugenia
Antonio Machado Codorniz + Catharina de Jesus
Francisco Caetano do Canto + Maria de Jesus
Joao Jose Machado do Evangelho + Catharina de Jesus
Jose Luiz Pereira + Maria da Encarnacao
Altares
Antonio Machado de Castro + Maria Jose
Lages
Joaquin Jose Goncalves + Faustina Leonarda

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[Jessica Lima]

Hello All,
 
Through the documents I found of my relatives, especially the marriage documents, it lists their professions.  I wrote down all the professions I encountered in hopes that I would be able to find out what they are. 
 
Keep in mind these are professions from the 1800's
 
Jornaleiro - a person who got payed day to day doing odd jobs for people.
Cabougueiro - person who shaped/cut the rocks to be used on the walls of  
                    traditional houses.
Pedreiro - A person that would construct the rock walls of traditional houses
Calceteiro - A person that interlocks the small rocks on the traditional 
                 sidewalks and streets. 
Carreiro - A person who built (I can't remember the name of the object in
             english so ill try to explain it) a wooden object that would be
             attached to a horse, donkey, etc.. that had a huge pick that would
             cultivate that farming land.
Quinteiro - A servant or worker of another person.
 
Please email me back if anyone can shed some more light on these professions or mention some more interesting ones. 
 
The funny thing is when I asked my eldest cousin what a Jornaleiro was he said it was a Journalist, which is what I thought aswell until I asked an elder of the family who told me otherwise. 
 
Does anyone know of a book or website that lists old professions like these?

 
Hope to hear from many of you!
 
Jessica Lima

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Jessica,

 

Carreiro....Carter or a narrow way

 

Could be like a Carreirgo....Ox-Cart driver: narrow roadway

 

Arlene

[Jessica Lima]

This is the item i was talking about.  I was told that people that built these 'plows' were called carreiros.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

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Lets see.

 

Giesta – oak wood or some type wood that a carpenter/cabinet maker used to make furniture. My mother’s paternal side used for a couple of generations.

Carreiro – wagon/cart

Cordao ? spelling – Some type of sifter

 

 

 

NOT A PROFESSION:

 

Furtado (my name) means steal

Leite – Milk

Chaves – Keys

Raposo – Fox

Coehlo – Rabbit

Pereira – Pears

 

There will be more when I think about it.

 

Linda Norton

 

 

 

 

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[Linda Norton]

You could be right the field plows.

I know that car re means carry. I figured wagon or cart to carry.

 

I sent this to my cousins to see if they can find out for sure.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

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[Cheri Mello]

Jessica,

I have a list of professions.  I think it's part Eloise's and part from other members when we had Portuguese Chat on AOL.  I know I have a hard copy...I'll have to see if I still have it somewhere on my harddrive.  Then I can give it to Kathy Cardoza & Mel Lassalle for the Azores GenWeb and IslandRoutes web sites.

Cheri

[Arlene Marcoux]

Hi Jessica,

I love that picture.  Reminds me of my grandfather and his horse and my dad using one.  My dad still had one in the 60s until someone borrowed it and never gave it back.  I just thought I remember him calling it a plow.  He could have had another name for it.  He made the straight narrow rows in the garden with it, but he pushed it by hand.

 

Arlene

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[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Jessica
Someone else may have a better grasp than I, but...
The defentions that you posted are basically very good the only thing is that CABOUGUEIRO is really cabouqueiro and the defenition for carreiro is "an ox cart driver".
The implement in your picture is an "arado" and that one is a fancy one at that. The more common one, when I was growing up, was one made of wood almost in its entirety but for a metal blade that was fitted to the busuness end of the arado which was usually pulled by 2 oxen, guided by the lavrador. 
Hope that helps.
Hermano

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Professions

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Yes the Evangelho from Ribeirinha  my great-grand father is a Evangelho and in my family tree I have a Joao Jose Machado Evangelho

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

Bob Camacho
Researching the islands of
Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, and Ferriera
Graciousa for Reis, and
Madeira for Camacho

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[Jessica Lima]

Hi Bob,
Do you have any dates of your ancestor Joao Jose Machado Evangelho and have you been able to research further back in his tree?
 
Jessica

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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:11:12 -0400
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Terceira Marriages
To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

[elaine decosta]

Hi Jessica Lima,

I don't know anything about the word but the picture
is great and started memories flowing. My
father-in-law never used a tractor. He used two horses
to do the work on the 40 acres. He had a plow like in
the picture and a riding mower and rake always pulled
with the two horses.I enjoy this site for the memories
it brings back because I can remember hearing or doing
some of the things mentioned by others. I have never
seen anyone yet that has relatives from Santa Maria
Manor, Funchal, Azores. That seem to be where most of
my deceased husbands family came from. I have been
given a little information on them but I do not know
where they got their information.

Elaine DeCosta, Idaho

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> This is the item i was talking about. I was told
> that people that built these 'plows' were called
> carreiros. Can anyone shed some light on this?
>

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Elaine,

 

Funchal is the capital of Madeira,which is off the coast of Africa and is not part of the Azores. I have been researching my wife's family from there. If you would like some coaching on Madeira research, email me privately. There are internet research groups for Madeira.

 

Eric Edgar

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Jessica, My husbands family is from Ribeirinha, but the only connection I see is Francisco Luiz da Costa married to Catharina Rosa is his 1st cousin 4x's . He has a G+Grandfather named Bartholomeu  Machado Cordeniz .  He has two g+grandparents named Manoel Machado Evangelho, but I don't think they connect to your Joao Jose.
Helen
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Cheri and Jessica
Here are two different lists to choose from. The one list is for several pages, and the second list is one page.
Hope  this helps a little bit.
Cliff

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[Jessica Lima]

Hi Helen,
Thanks for taking the time to email me.  I was wondering if you have any dates for Francisco Luiz da Costa and Catharina Rosa birth, marriage, death?  I was also wondering what 1st cousin 4x's means... does that mean 4th cousin? of you husband? if so is it the Francisco or Catharina?
 
Jessica Lima

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Terceira Marriages

Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:10:02 -0400
From: his...@aol.com

[his...@aol.com]

Jessica,
This is what I have:  Francisco Luis da Costa son of Antonio Luis da Costa and Catarina do Espirto Santo married on Dec. 8, 1839 to Placida da Conceicao dg. of Jose Ignacio Parreira and ???Victorina Fl.#1518060 p 62.

Francisco Luis da Costa widower of Placida da Conceicao married April 15, 1844 to Catarina Rosa daughter of Francisco Nunes da Costa and Francisca Rosa.

I think the 4x's means that my husband and Francisco have mutal grandparents 4 generations back.  My husband is 1st cousin to Francisco's wife Catarina Rosa. 

I have no information on Antonio Luis da Costa and Catarina do Espirto Santo.

 Francisco Nunes da Costa son of Antonio Nunes da Costa and Josefa Ignacia married Dec. 1, 1816 to Francisca Rosa dg. of Franisco Vaz Teixeira and Catarina Rosa.(Francisco Vaz and Catarina Rosa are my husbands g+grandparents.  I think this is where the connections comes in. Francisco Vaz and Catarina Rosa had two dg. Francisca Rosa( married to Francisco Nunes) and Catarina Rosa, yes another one!! Catarina is my husbands grandmother and Francisca Rosa is grandmother to Catarina Rosa wife of Francisco Luis da Costa.  Oh my Gosh, I have probably throughly confused you.  Maybe I should have ignored the question on 4x's  :))

Hope you understand my explanation
Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica Lima <socia...@hotmail.com>
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 6:38 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Helen Fremont Terceira Marriages

Hi Helen,
Thanks for taking the time to email me.  I was wondering if you have any dates for Francisco Luiz da Costa and Catharina Rosa birth, marriage, death?  I was also wondering what 1st cousin 4x's means... does that mean 4th cousin? of you husband? if so is it the Francisco or Catharina?
 
Jessica Lima

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[Jessica Lima]

Hi all,
 
Does anyone have a membership to Portugueseancestry.com that can check one thing for me?
 
Jessica Lima

 

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[Jessica Lima]

Hi Helen,
It took me a while but i finally processed in my head what you wrote!

 
Francisco Luiz da Costa + Catharina Rosa

Married April 15, 1844
 
are my GGG-Grandparents :)
 
They had a daughter Francisca Rosa on May 4, 1856 which is my
GG-Grandma.  Thanks soooo very much for your help with the marriage date. 
 
Jessica Lima

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To: Azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Helen Fremont Terceira Marriages
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:49:34 -0400
From: his...@aol.com

[Jessica Lima]

Hello All,
 
I was told that in Terceira a couple always got married in the brides village even if the groom was not from that village.  I was wondering, if any of you researching your families in Terceira ever encountered a case where the couples marriage document was registered in the groom's village or in a village that neither of them was from? 
 
Another question... do any of you know why couples always got married in the brides village?
 
Jessica Lima

[his...@aol.com]

Jessica, I'm glad you figured it out. Too many Catarina Rosa's.  I guess that makes Antonio Luis da Costa and Catarina do Espirto Santo your 4thGG, Francisco Nunes da Costa and Francisca Rosa 4thGG, Antonio Nunes da Costa m. to Josefa Ignacia, and Francisco Vaz Teixeira m.to Catarina Rosa you 5thGG.  So I guess you and my husband have mutual G+grandparents.
If I can help further, let me know.

[his...@aol.com]

I have also found couples married in the grooms village. If I can't find the marriage in her village, I always check his.

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From: Jessica Lima <socia...@hotmail.com>
To: azo...@googlegroups.com

[BOBCA...@aol.com]

Hi Jessica

I have 3 Joao Jose Machado Evangelho,  in my Family Tree.  There is different dates they are all related.  I am not sure how far back you have gone with I have up to about the 1700's or so

Thanks

 

 

 

Bob Camacho
Researching the islands of
Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, and Ferriera
Graciousa for Reis, and
Madeira for Camacho

[Cheri Mello]

Jessica,

Actually, it's in all the Azores not just Terceira.

Don't know why the bride's village.  I do find it somewhat in my American research too if the bride and groom are from different counties...I check her county first and it's there about 90% of the time.  Maybe it's done because that's the last thing a woman/bride will do at home before leaving and starting a new life with her husband?

Cheri

[celeste perry]

Just a guess, maybe it is because the bride´s family
traditionally paid for the wedding, reception, etc.
It would make sense to have it in her home town. Of
course, that was during the time that the bride lived
at home before getting married. Celeste, Hayward, CA
(from Angra, Terceira)

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[Seek...@aol.com]

Hi Bob,

 

I have Evangelho and Macedo Evanagelho and lots of Machados from Pico.  Could some of yours have migrated to other islands? 

 

Marie Pleasant    seek...@aol.com

[BOBCA...@aol.com]

I don't know that.  I have back to the 1700's in Terceira at this time

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

Bob Camacho
Researching the islands of
Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, and Ferriera
Graciousa for Reis, and
Madeira for Camacho

[Cliff Nye]

HI Jessica
I’m a moderator for the forum for Lusaweb, although it is not too busy these days. What do you need checked in Portugueseancestry.com. This is part of Lusaweb and I, naturally, have access. Let me know what you need and I’ll get back to you as soon as possible.

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