The "elusive Maria Cristo"
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celeste perry
Jul 5, 2018, 1:44:19 PM7/5/18
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I have just returned from my trip to Rhode Island to continue my search for my husband's paternal grandmother.
I visited St. Mary's in Bristol, RI., the church where she was married and I saw the book where she and her husband's marriage was listed. I had received a copy of the marriage record and verified that the information was the same in the book.
I asked about her having to prove she had been baptized in Sao Miguel, Azores and I was told they did not have any information about her baptism.
I was on my way back to the hotel from the church when I remembered seeing "file sent" written at the bottom of her marriage entry. I found out where the diocese of R.I. was located and went there to ask for any information they might have of her baptism. I did not get past the clerk at the door. She talked to someone in the "archives" and was told they did not have such information.
When I was eating at a Portuguese restaurant, I asked the owner if he knew any Portuguese priest. He gave me the name of a Fr. Escobar and the church were he was living. I went to the church and he was not there; however, the lady in the office was most helpful.
She took my information and a copy of the marriage record I had with me. The next day, I received a call from the church office lady and she said father Escobar had contacted the diocese office and was told the archives did not have any records for which I was searching.
So, I am back to square one. Someone on the list told me that proof of baptism was necessary for a marriage if the couple was born in another church. Since Maria Cristo's siblings were all born in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores, that would have been the place of her baptism.
As I have said before, I looked at all the baptism records from the time her older brother was baptized until her father died. I found no record for her birth.
Below is the information I have send to the list a few years ago for anyone who is new to the list and may have information about my "Elusive Maria Cristo."
1. Her name:
In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose. He wrote “on Ancestry.com I found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 1909.”I found an arrival of “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, est. birth yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels, Az, Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA; last residence, Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.” I received this information from someone and I never saw the name of the person she was going to. I think she would have come to her brother, Seraphine who immigrated 10/24/1904 and I have found his name as: Serafim Morais/Morris/Moraes in different census.
On her marriage record: 11/27/09 she is: Maria de Christ Moraes
2. DOB, where??? : May 22, 1884/1885 Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores, (oral history told to me by her daughter)
She married in 1909 and said she was 22 years old (I have the marriage record from St. Mary’s church in Bristol, RI.)
3. Father: Joao Moraes, he died 4/13/1899, I found his death record in 2006.
4. Mother: Jacinta Libianna
5. When did she come to US: I think she came to the US to her brother, Seraphine Moraes. This is what her daughter told me. It had to have been before Nov. 1909 when she married.
6. In the 1910 census Fellippe E. & Mary C. Silva, are living with seraphim & Rosa Morais at 15 East Brooks. St. in Bristol, RI she lived on Estbrook St. with her husband, Fillippe Silva. She was listed as Maria C. Silva who immigrated in 1909.
1927-1928, 1929-1930/ 1935-1936; 1937 census, Phillip & Mry Perry, carpenter, live at 66 Blossom St.
1938; 1939, 43, 66 Blossom St. per City directory
1947 moved to Oakland, CA
7. In 2005, at the Oakland FHCC, I found a Maria Moraes arriving 7/31/1909, age 25, est. yob 1884, F, Portuguese; departed: S.Miguel; ship’s name is Crotic; arrived in Boston, MA
8. She was 24 years old when her daughter Mary was born in 1911.
Thank you for any help you can give me.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
I visited St. Mary's in Bristol, RI., the church where she was married and I saw the book where she and her husband's marriage was listed. I had received a copy of the marriage record and verified that the information was the same in the book.
I asked about her having to prove she had been baptized in Sao Miguel, Azores and I was told they did not have any information about her baptism.
I was on my way back to the hotel from the church when I remembered seeing "file sent" written at the bottom of her marriage entry. I found out where the diocese of R.I. was located and went there to ask for any information they might have of her baptism. I did not get past the clerk at the door. She talked to someone in the "archives" and was told they did not have such information.
When I was eating at a Portuguese restaurant, I asked the owner if he knew any Portuguese priest. He gave me the name of a Fr. Escobar and the church were he was living. I went to the church and he was not there; however, the lady in the office was most helpful.
She took my information and a copy of the marriage record I had with me. The next day, I received a call from the church office lady and she said father Escobar had contacted the diocese office and was told the archives did not have any records for which I was searching.
So, I am back to square one. Someone on the list told me that proof of baptism was necessary for a marriage if the couple was born in another church. Since Maria Cristo's siblings were all born in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores, that would have been the place of her baptism.
As I have said before, I looked at all the baptism records from the time her older brother was baptized until her father died. I found no record for her birth.
Below is the information I have send to the list a few years ago for anyone who is new to the list and may have information about my "Elusive Maria Cristo."
1. Her name:
In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose. He wrote “on Ancestry.com I found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 1909.”I found an arrival of “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, est. birth yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels, Az, Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA; last residence, Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.” I received this information from someone and I never saw the name of the person she was going to. I think she would have come to her brother, Seraphine who immigrated 10/24/1904 and I have found his name as: Serafim Morais/Morris/Moraes in different census.
On her marriage record: 11/27/09 she is: Maria de Christ Moraes
2. DOB, where??? : May 22, 1884/1885 Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores, (oral history told to me by her daughter)
She married in 1909 and said she was 22 years old (I have the marriage record from St. Mary’s church in Bristol, RI.)
3. Father: Joao Moraes, he died 4/13/1899, I found his death record in 2006.
4. Mother: Jacinta Libianna
5. When did she come to US: I think she came to the US to her brother, Seraphine Moraes. This is what her daughter told me. It had to have been before Nov. 1909 when she married.
6. In the 1910 census Fellippe E. & Mary C. Silva, are living with seraphim & Rosa Morais at 15 East Brooks. St. in Bristol, RI she lived on Estbrook St. with her husband, Fillippe Silva. She was listed as Maria C. Silva who immigrated in 1909.
1927-1928, 1929-1930/ 1935-1936; 1937 census, Phillip & Mry Perry, carpenter, live at 66 Blossom St.
1938; 1939, 43, 66 Blossom St. per City directory
1947 moved to Oakland, CA
7. In 2005, at the Oakland FHCC, I found a Maria Moraes arriving 7/31/1909, age 25, est. yob 1884, F, Portuguese; departed: S.Miguel; ship’s name is Crotic; arrived in Boston, MA
8. She was 24 years old when her daughter Mary was born in 1911.
Thank you for any help you can give me.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
E. Sharp
Jul 5, 2018, 2:19:24 PM7/5/18
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Celeste,
I think I found this several years ago for you and she was coming to her brother Seraphim/Seraphine. I am at Boston right now awaiting my flight back to CA. Will ck more when I get home.
"E"
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I think I found this several years ago for you and she was coming to her brother Seraphim/Seraphine. I am at Boston right now awaiting my flight back to CA. Will ck more when I get home.
"E"
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celeste perry
Jul 5, 2018, 2:28:53 PM7/5/18
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Thank you Elaine. Hope your flight back is better than ours. We had a delay in Boston and a lot of shaking on our way back. Constant seatbelt light on.
Celeste
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Date: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 11:19 AM
Celeste
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Cheri Mello
Jul 5, 2018, 6:34:57 PM7/5/18
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Someone found her a year or two ago. I'm not on my computer, but I'm sure you can search the archives for this list and find it. Cheri
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Liz Migliori
Jul 5, 2018, 6:36:18 PM7/5/18
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Celeste.wish I knew you were here we could have gotten together. I’m in Newport for a couple of weeks.
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celeste perry
Jul 5, 2018, 7:41:34 PM7/5/18
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Found her where? I will wait until you get back home and lead me through the archives to the email you mention. Thanks Cheri.
Date: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 3:34 PM
Someone found her a year or two
ago. I'm not on my computer, but I'm sure you can
search the archives for this list and find it.
Cheri
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The "elusive Maria Cristo"
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The "elusive Maria Cristo"
Date: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 3:34 PM
Someone found her a year or two
ago. I'm not on my computer, but I'm sure you can
search the archives for this list and find it.
Cheri
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Thank
you Elaine. Hope your flight back is better than ours.
We had a delay in Boston and a lot of shaking on our way
back. Constant seatbelt light on.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
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wrote:
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The "elusive Maria
Cristo"
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Date: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 11:19 AM
Celeste,
I think I found this several years ago for you
and she was coming to her brother Seraphim/Seraphine. I
am
at Boston right now awaiting my flight back to CA. Will
ck
more when I get home.
"E"
you Elaine. Hope your flight back is better than ours.
We had a delay in Boston and a lot of shaking on our way
back. Constant seatbelt light on.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
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wrote:
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Date: Thursday, July 5, 2018, 11:19 AM
Celeste,
I think I found this several years ago for you
and she was coming to her brother Seraphim/Seraphine. I
am
at Boston right now awaiting my flight back to CA. Will
ck
more when I get home.
"E"
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Cheri Mello
Jul 6, 2018, 4:06:50 AM7/6/18
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Someone found her baptism and posted it to this list. I'm sure someone can type "elusive maria cristo" in the archives and find the former thread. :-)
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Margaret Vicente
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Celeste,
In Oct/Nov of 2017 I emailed you privately the documentation for your Maria Moraes. At the time I took a temporary membership with Ancestry to search for your Maria and I'm pretty sure I found her. Ancestry shows the 16 year old Maria travelling from Saint Michael's as Puerto Rican Nationality.
I'm attaching the records.
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celeste perry
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Boy, Cheri, I am not aware of anyone finding her baptism. Since I do not know how to use the archives, I will wait until you return home to lead me to the email you mention.
Someone found her
baptism and posted it to this list. I'm sure someone can
type "elusive maria cristo" in the archives and
find the former thread. :-)
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Found her
where? I will wait until you get back home and lead me
through the archives to the email you mention. Thanks
Cheri.
Celeste
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Date: Friday, July 6, 2018, 1:06 AM
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Someone found her
baptism and posted it to this list. I'm sure someone can
type "elusive maria cristo" in the archives and
find the former thread. :-)
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Found her
where? I will wait until you get back home and lead me
through the archives to the email you mention. Thanks
Cheri.
Celeste
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Richard Francis Pimentel
Jul 6, 2018, 1:14:00 PM7/6/18
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Use the information and search the Ellis Island website to look at the original ship manifest. You can use this link: https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/family-history-center To search the records you need to create an account which is free. Need to go out now but perhaps I can look later
Rick
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Nancy Couto
Jul 6, 2018, 1:14:28 PM7/6/18
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Celeste, I looked up the passenger list for the Peninsular, sailing from St. Michael's 19 Feb 1904, arriving New York 1st (looks like) Mar 1904. Ancestry's indexer clearly got the nationality wrong, since the actual list shows Maria and her family as Portuguese. The family group included Seraphim Moraes, 23; Rosa C. Moraes, 24 (looks like); Rosa Barbara Moraes, 15; Luzia Moraes, 17; and Maria Moraes, 16. The family is headed for Bristol, RI, for Seraphim's cousin Joao da Costa (looks like), 368 Hope St. I hope this matches your other information.
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celeste perry
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Yes, Nancy, the information you sent does match the information about Maria's family. I found baptismal records in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel that matches her siblings. Seraphine was her brother, the family with whom I found her living in one of the Census. I did find other siblings' baptismal records.
The death record of her "sister" Ana listed Maria Cristo in an unusual way. In Ana's will she left, "100 dollars to my sister, Mary Perry in Oakland, CA." I believe Ana thought Maria Cristo was her sister. Maria Cristo also lived with her "brother" Seraphine in several of the R.I. Census.
Without the actual baptismal records, I have assumptions and actual proof of her being a member of this family, just no record of her birth.
Without finding an actual baptismal (birth in that time frame) record, I still can't prove she was biologically a member of that family.
Thank you for the help you are providing to me and others on the Azores List.
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The death record of her "sister" Ana listed Maria Cristo in an unusual way. In Ana's will she left, "100 dollars to my sister, Mary Perry in Oakland, CA." I believe Ana thought Maria Cristo was her sister. Maria Cristo also lived with her "brother" Seraphine in several of the R.I. Census.
Without the actual baptismal records, I have assumptions and actual proof of her being a member of this family, just no record of her birth.
Without finding an actual baptismal (birth in that time frame) record, I still can't prove she was biologically a member of that family.
Thank you for the help you are providing to me and others on the Azores List.
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Date: Friday, July 6, 2018, 10:14 AM
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E. Sharp
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Celeste,
I just shared a ship's list with you coming from Ancestry. Is this them???
"E"
Celeste,
I just shared a ship's list with you coming from Ancestry. Is this them??
"E"
I just shared a ship's list with you coming from Ancestry. Is this them???
"E"
Celeste,
I just shared a ship's list with you coming from Ancestry. Is this them??
"E"
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