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Elizabeth Migliori

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Aug 28, 2019, 3:57:50 PM8/28/19
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Could this be the marriage of Francisco Fernandes and Maria Dutra Correia  Oct 19, 1705?
If so can you see or does it tell the parents names?

Liz

Bill Seidler

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Aug 28, 2019, 5:13:08 PM8/28/19
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I see the date as you do.  

The groom is Francisco Fernandes son of Francisco Fernandes, deaceased, and his wife Maria de Mendonça?
The bride is Maria Dutra (Correia is not mentioned), widow of Gaspar João.  You would have to find the first marriage to get her parents.

I did compare this with CITCEM and it appears to be what you are looking for.  CITCEM gives the brides name as Maria Dutra Correia and gives Gaspar João Afonso as her first husband who she married in Santa Barbara parish (I believe this is Cedros) on 18 Jan 1694.

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Liz Migliori

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Aug 28, 2019, 8:35:20 PM8/28/19
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Am I reading this correctly
She was first married to Gaspar Joao Afonso from Cedros
This marriage paper is for 2nd husband?

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Bill Seidler

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Aug 28, 2019, 9:59:36 PM8/28/19
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Yes, Maria Dutra was first married to Gaspar João.  If that was her first marriage, then the marriage you posted is her second marriage.

Both the marriage you posted and her first marriage (see link below, 2nd on right) give her name as Maria Dutra and her first husband as Gaspar João.  Only on CITCEM have I seen the names Maria Dutra Correia and Gaspar João Afonso so I don't know the source of those surnames.


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Bill Seidler



On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
Am I reading this correctly
She was first married to Gaspar Joao Afonso from Cedros
This marriage paper is for 2nd husband?

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On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Bill Seidler <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote:

I see the date as you do.  

The groom is Francisco Fernandes son of Francisco Fernandes, deaceased, and his wife Maria de Mendonça?
The bride is Maria Dutra (Correia is not mentioned), widow of Gaspar João.  You would have to find the first marriage to get her parents.

I did compare this with CITCEM and it appears to be what you are looking for.  CITCEM gives the brides name as Maria Dutra Correia and gives Gaspar João Afonso as her first husband who she married in Santa Barbara parish (I believe this is Cedros) on 18 Jan 1694.

Bill Seidler

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Could this be the marriage of Francisco Fernandes and Maria Dutra Correia  Oct 19, 1705?
If so can you see or does it tell the parents names?

Liz

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Liz Migliori

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Aug 29, 2019, 12:12:41 PM8/29/19
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Thank you so much Bill.  I have found that many times on Circe that it gives last names that the documents don’t.  Thought it might be on parents or grandparents names.   That’s why I always want to verify and find document to attach. 

Again thank you
Liz

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Liz Migliori

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Aug 29, 2019, 12:12:42 PM8/29/19
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Hi Bill
Me again. Was the first marriage Jan 18 1698?
Was Gaspar also a widower of Maria Jacintha?
Was Maria Futra daughter of Francisco Dutra and a few more Francisco’s?
Looks like a Francisco Garcia is in there also?

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