Van der Hagen

[Ed Mello]

I'M NEW TO THE GROUP & NOTICE SEVERAL REFERENCES TO "Van der Hagen".
SOUNDS LIKE A DUTCH NAME. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ANY DUTCH-AZORES CONNECTION
AS MY PATERNAL GR-GRANDFATHER (b. S.Miguel)WAS REPORTEDLY PART DUTCH.
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ? Ed

[Jorge Todeschini]

The Netherlands were a Portuguese-Spanish possession for many years in
the 13th-15th century.

Willem van der Haagen was born in Bruges, 1450, and started the
Portuguese colonization of the Azores in the Faial Island. He took on
the name Guilherme da Silveira. (Guilherme=Guillermo in Spanish=Willem
in Dutch=William in English)

There's your connection, in a nutshell. I am sure others can add.

Cordialmente,

Jorge Todeschini
Chandler, AZ
http://www.familiatodeschini.com

[Herb Silva]

Hi Jorge

if the Netherlands were a Spanish or Portuguese possession for many years
between the 13th and 15th centuries, that is certainly news to me, as well
as most historians. With all due respect, it is indeed a stretch to make
that suggestion. True, there has always been a Flemish and Dutch connection
to the Azores. That connection has been greatly exaggerated by many over
the years. Certainly Van der Hagen was not Portuguese, but the number of
these non Portuguese families who immigrated to the Azores at the urging of
the King of Portugal was very small, probably less then 50 families
dispersed throughout the 9 islands.
The real connection between the Azores and these other countries is rooted
in the affairs of European noble families, their marriages and
relationships, not due to any single European power or combination thereof,
possessing another.

Sincerely

Herb

[Daniel Rocha]

Hi Herb,

 

As far stretching as it may sound, it is indeed true.  I took a class regarding the history of Spain and Portugal: 14th to 17th century, at the University of California, Berkeley, and at one point during that time period the Netherlands was in fact part of the Spanish Empire.  Check out the book, Imperial Spain, by J.H. Elliot, it should list some information there. 

 

Best,

 

Daniel

 

[AlRo...@aol.com]

In a message dated 10/13/05 9:28:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, herba...@comcast.net writes:

True, there has always been a Flemish and Dutch connection
to the Azores.  That connection has been greatly exaggerated by many over
the years. Certainly Van der Hagen was not Portuguese, but the number of
these non Portuguese families who immigrated to the Azores at the urging of
the King of Portugal was very small, probably less then 50 families
dispersed throughout the 9 islands.

Herb,

    What is the source you use to contradict the following?

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(from The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume II; Copyright © 1907 by Robert Appleton Company)
The existence of this archipelago was not generally known to the inhabitants of Europe before the fifteenth century of our era, although there is evidence that Phoenician, Scandinavian, and Arabian navigators visited it at different periods. In 1432 the Portuguese, Goncalo Velho Cabral, discovered the island of Santa Maria, and by the year 1457 all the islands had been visited by either Portuguese or Flemish explorers, none of whom found any aboriginal inhabitants, wild animals, or reptiles. In 1466 Affonso V of Portugal granted to the Duchess Isabel of Burgundy, his aunt, some sort of feudal privilege in the Azores, in consequence of which the colonists for some time were mostly Flemings, and the Portuguese themselves in those days called the islands As Ilhas Flamengas (the Flemish Islands). The first Portuguese colonies of any importance in the Azores were those of São Miguel, and Terceira, and at the end of the fifteenth century a certain number of the Moors, driven from Granada by Ferdinand and Isabella, took refuge in the islands.

 

It was not until 1534 that the ecclesiastical organization of the Azores was effected. Until then they had been under the jurisdiction of the Grand Prior of the Order of Christ. The Bull of Pope Paul III, dated 5 November, 1534, immediately after that pontiff's accession to the Apostolic See, formed a diocese with its metropolis at Angra do Heroismo, is the island of Terceira, to include the whole of this archipelago. The See of Angra was made suffragan to that of Funchal, but in 1547 it was removed from this jurisdiction and placed under that of the then Archiepiscopal (now Patriarchal) See of Lisbon. From 1580 to 1640 the Azores, like the rest of the Portuguese dominions, had to submit to the rule of Spain, and during that period the neighbouring waters were the scene of many hard fights between the Spanish and the English sea-rovers. The commercial prosperity of the islands declined after the recovery of Portuguese independence and the accession of the House of Braganza in 1640. The city of Angra attained some slight historical notoriety in 1662, when Affonso VI, deposed by his brother Dom Pedro, was imprisoned there. Material prosperity began to be restored to the Azores immediately after the period of the French invasion of the Peninsula and the flight of João IV to Brazil (1807), when the former restrictions of commerce were removed. In the Portuguese revolution of 1828-33, the Azorean populations took a decided stand against the absolutist Dom Miguel, repulsed an attack upon the island of Terceira by a Miguelist fleet, and contributed largely to form the Progressista army which landed at Oporto in 1833, driving Dom Miguel into exile, and establishing on the throne the Queen Donna Maria da Gloria, who for two years preceding had resided at Angra.

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Regards,
Al Rose
Please visit my GEDCOM posted at URL:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose

[Herb Silva]

 Al, there are dozens of history books written by Portuguese historians and other Europeans that contradict most of the generic type information in your Catholic Encyclopedia. There are some written in English also. One that readily comes to mind is "Atlantic Islanders of the Azores and Madeira", by Francis Milet Rodgers. I believe he graduated from Harvard. His grandparents were named Rodrigues, but changed it to Rogers if I'm not mistaken. 

 

Best Regards

 

Herb

 

  

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[Jorge Todeschini]

Herb,

I don't know about "most historians" you mention. The wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Utrecht) matches what I always
learned in school. Note from the text below that if Spain had to give up
the Netherlands, that means Spain possessed the Netherlands (or part of
them) prior to the treaty. Maybe I exaggerated when I wrote "possessed
the Netherlands" -- I could have said "part of it" or "had influence
over". Still, what I meant is that the Dutch-Iberian connection was very
strong in those centuries.

I now quote from Wikipedia:

===
Treaty of Utrecht
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Treaty of Utrecht was a series of peace treaties signed in Utrecht
in 1713 that helped end the War of the Spanish Succession (Queen Anne's
War)
By its provisions, Louis XIV's grandson Philip V of Spain was recognized
as King of Spain, but Spain's European empire was divided up - Savoy
received Sicily and parts of the Milanese, while Holy Roman Emperor
Charles VI was to receive the Spanish Netherlands, the Kingdom of
Naples, Sardinia, and the rest of the Duchy of Milan. In addition, Spain
ceded Gibraltar and Minorca to the British, and agreed to give the
Asiento-a valuable exclusive slave-trading contract-to the British.
===

[Jorge Todeschini]

Thanks, Daniel.

 

It's always good to remember (especially in a group of Azorean descendants) that the Portuguese had the best sailors in the world and the most poweful Navy at a time. That gave them a lead in "dividing the world" with Spain. Eventually, the British caught up, and even the French and Dutch (then free) started their own colonial empires.

[Infotainment]

Herb Silva schreef:

> Hi Jorge
>
> if the Netherlands were a Spanish or Portuguese possession for many years
> between the 13th and 15th centuries, that is certainly news to me, as well
> as most historians.

Is it? Most historians around these parts seem to be well aware of it,
then again, I live in Flanders. It's considered common knowledge.

History of Flanders, the Spanish Netherlands:

http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/flanders.htm
(not the prettiest site, but it gets the job done)

http://www.flanders.be/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=MVG_FL/Template/MVG_FL_Html_Detail&cid=1072097265686&enablelasturl=1&p=1053963211306

No doubt there are better, more extensive sources.

[Julie Marsh]

Thanks for the great links for this history, I for one
cant wait to read it all.
Julzz

[AlRo...@aol.com]

In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:35:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, herba...@comcast.net writes:

Al, there are dozens of history books written by Portuguese historians and other Europeans that contradict most of the generic type information in the Catholic Encyclopedia. There are some written in English also. One that readily comes to mind is "Atlantic Islanders of the Azores and Madeira", by Francis Milet Rodgers. I believe he graduated from Harvard. His grandparents were named Rodrigues, but changed it to Rogers if I'm not mistaken. 

Herb,

    Thanks ... this will be an enjoyable read for me. I'll see if I can take it along on my next trip.

    Best regards,

Al Rose

(ancestry of Faial & Flores)

[Linda Norton]

According to Manoel Cesar Furtado, The Furtados and de Mendoncas are surely connected and they descent from the old Afonso Furtado that was captain of Portuguese galleys in the reign of D. Joao I, 1385.  According to Lionel, There is a noble branch of the Furtado de Mendoncas who reached Flores but the pirates burned and plundered in the 1500-1600’s which has made it impossible for us to find how the lines have come down.

 

My father, who knew nothing of his background as a Furtado, always said, I know one thing and that is we have Dutch in our family line. He didn’t know from whom, but was positive on that.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

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From: Azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AlRo...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:07 PM
To: Azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

 

In a message dated 10/13/05 9:28:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, herba...@comcast.net writes:

[LIONEL J HOLMES]

"According to Lionel"?  Not me. Must be another Lionel on the list.

 

Lionel Rocha Holmes

Sacramento CA

Linda Norton <linda...@comcast.net> wrote:

[Herb Silva]

Absolutely Jorge I agree. This is a great discussion

There was a Dutch-Iberian connection throughout history. My point is that
the connection is not as strong as some historians would lead us to believe.
I've lived in the Netherlands (1978) and in the Azores. I did not notice an
Iberian influence in the Dutch people or it's culture while there. ( I only
lived there a short time).

Regards

[Manoel Cesar Furtado]

Hi Linda,

Frutuoso says that Solanda Lopes, the wife of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa,
had flemish origin. They came from Madeira island to Vila Franca do Campo,
São Miguel island, around 1475.
The sugar trade has brought flemish families to Madeira, mid XVth c.

Manoel

Linda Norton <linda...@comcast.net> wrote:

According to Manoel Cesar Furtado, The Furtados and de Mendoncas are surely
connected and they descent from the old Afonso Furtado that was captain of
Portuguese galleys in the reign of D. Joao I, 1385. According to Lionel,
There is a noble branch of the Furtado de Mendoncas who reached Flores but
the pirates burned and plundered in the 1500-1600's which has made it
impossible for us to find how the lines have come down.

My father, who knew nothing of his background as a Furtado, always said, I
know one thing and that is we have Dutch in our family line. He didn't know
from whom, but was positive on that.

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

called the islands As Ilhas F lamengas (the Flemish Islands). The first

[Linda Norton]

I’m sorry it was to Lionel from John Vasconcelos.

 

Linda

 

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[Shirley Allegre]

Hi All: Martim Anes de Sousa is my 114,382. Solanda Lopes is my 114,383.
I have seven children for them.
Does anyone connect to this line?
Shirley

[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 10/14/2005 6:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shi...@psln.com writes:

Hi All:  Martim Anes de Sousa is my 114,382.  Solanda Lopes is my 114,383.
I have seven children for them.
Does anyone connect to this line?

I do.

John

[Shirley Allegre]

John:  I will get back to you on this.  I descend from their daughter Ana Martins.

Shirley

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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:41 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Linda Norton]

First male line of Furtados in S. Miguel is that one of Martin Anes Furtado de Sousa who came from Madeira to Vila Franca around 1475.  The female lines of Furtados  were from Jorge Furtado de Mendonca through the Medeiros family.  The daughter of Afonso Anes da Costa and Ines Martins is Solanda Lopes.  Ines Martins was the dtr of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and Solanda Lopes (same name of the maternal grandmother).  I feel I am connected through the female and male lines on my fathers paternal side, Antonio Furtado, maternal side Antonio de Sousa Calouro and my mother’s paternal side, Manuel Borges Giesta.  I haven’t gotten back that far, but all the surnames seem to be there.   They are all from Riberia Grande NS da Conceicao, Estrella and Matriz.

 

Father’s Paternal:

 

Antonio Morgado Furtado b. abt. 1892                 m. Maria de Resurreicao de Sousa  dtr. of Antonio de Sousa Calouro

Mariano Cardao Furtado   b. abt. 1870                 m. Maria Rainha

 

Manuel Furtado Morgado  b. 1848                       m. Maria do Rosario  b. 1848          dtr. of Antonio de Mello and Anna Jacintha

Joao Furtado Morgado      b. abt. 1825                m.  Maria de Jesus

 

Antonio Furtado Morgado  b. 1843                      m. Maria dos Anjos   b. 1839          dtr. of Jose de Mello Ferreira Grota and Roza do Espirito Santo

Manuel Furtado Morgado  b. abt. 1820                m. Guiomar de Jesus

 

Manoel Furtado Morgado  b. abt. 1814                (widower of Luzia Roza),

                                                                       m. Maria Julia Ponte b. 1822           dtr. of  Antonio Jose da Ponte and Maria de Nascimento

Antonio Furtado Morgado  b. abt. 1790               m. Anna de Jesus                         

 

 

 

 

 

Father’s Maternal:

 

Antonio de Sousa Calouro b. abt. 1825               m. Querubina Mariana de Jesus      dtr. of Francisco da Costa and Rosa do Espirito Santo

Adriano de Sousa Calouro b. abt. 1799 d. 1857   m. Maria Florinda                           dtr. of Lourenco Jose de Sousa and Luzia Rosa

Francisco Jose de Sousa  b. abt. 1770               m. Angelica Rosa                          dtr. of Antonio de Sousa Tavares Rodrigues and Vitoria do Sacramento de Rego de                        

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Sousa Carvalho

Dionisio de Sousa Caloura b. abt. 1745               m. Rosa Maria                              dtr. of ?Vincente Soares and Theresa Paiva

Manuel de Sousa b. abt. 1721                            m. Rosa Maria

 

Mother’s Paternal:

 

Manuel Borges Giesta b. abt. 1885                       m. Maria do Espirito Santo Andrade  dtr. of Manuel de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues

Manuel Borges Giesta b. abt. 1856  d. abt. 1895    m. Maria Rosa (widow)  m. Palroan   dtr. of Joao de Medeiros 

Francisco Borges Giesta b. abt. 1810                   m. Joaquina Rosa de Jesus              dtr. of Francisco Pacheco and Antonia de Jesus

Joao Borges Tavares b. abt. 1790                         m. Monica Jacinta de Jesus              dtr. of Manuel dos Santos de Paiva Faria and Luzia de Medeiros Ferreira

Jose Tavares b. abt. 1768                                    m. Mariana Francisca                       dtr. of Nicolao Francisco and Theresa Borges

Joao Rodrigues  b. abt. 1745                                m. Maria dos Santos

 

Any one connected to these?

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 10/14/2005 6:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shi...@psln.com writes:

[Shirley Allegre]

Linda:  I have him as Martin Anes de Sousa.  He is my 114,382.

Contact me privately and maybe we can figure this out.

Shirley

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To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:40 PM

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[Julie Marsh]

Is line related to Van Der Haegan?? or did it just get
mixed up into that conversation?
Julzz

[Manoel Cesar Furtado]

The female line of Furtados from Jorge de Mendonça through the Medeiros family goes like this, apud Frutuoso:

 

1. Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça c.c. ?

 

1.1. Ana Gonçalves c.c. Rui Vaz de Medeiros

 

1.1.1. Branca Rodrigues de Medeiros c.c. Diogo Afonso Colombreiro

1.1.1.1. Pedro Furtado

 

1.1.1.2. Sebastião Afonso c.c. N. Pavão

1.1.1.2.1. Aleixos Furtado de Mendonça

 

 

1.1.2. Maria de Medeiros c.c. Rodrigo Alvares

1.1.2.1. Alvaro Lopes Furtado

 

 

This female line of the Medeiros family is also mixed with the Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa line:

 

1. Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça c.c. ?

 

1.1. Ana Gonçalves c.c. Rui Vaz de Medeiros

 

1.1.3. Guiomar Rodrigues de Medeiros c.c. Lope Anes Araujo de Viana

1.1.3.1. Maria de Araujo c.c. Antonio Furtado (son of Rui Martins Furtado and Maria Rodrigues Botelho).

1.1.3.1.1. Lope Anes Furtado c.c. Inês Correia

 

 

There are three more lines of Furtados in Frutuoso besides the Martinhanes and Medeiros lines.

One of them is from João de Albernaz who came from Faial to S. Miguel:

 

1. João d'Albernaz c.c. ?

 

1.1. Isabel Furtado c.c. ?

1.1.1. Clemente Furtado c.c.?

1.1.1.1. Manuel Furtado

 

1.2. Inês d'Albernaz c.c. Duarte Pires

1.2.1. Duarte Pires Furtado

1.2.2. Isabel Furtado

 

 

Manoel

 

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[Linda Norton]

I think that Borges/Silverias/Van der Hagens like the de Sousas/Furtados/de
Mendoncas are interrelated down the lines.

Does anyone have Ines Lucinda da Silveira de Andrade as a relative? My
mother is Ines Estrella de Andrade Borges Furtado.

Linda

[Herb Silva]

Yes Ines Lucinda da Silveira Andrade born 27 April 1826 in Ponta Delgada was
my gggg grandmother.

Herb

[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 10/15/2005 7:55:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linda...@comcast.net writes:

I think that Borges/Silverias/Van der Hagens like the de Sousas/Furtados/de
Mendoncas are interrelated down the lines.

Does anyone have Ines Lucinda da Silveira de Andrade as a relative? My
mother is Ines Estrella de Andrade Borges Furtado.

Linda:

Look no further! But please e-mail me privately with the decent from these folks down to you so I can up-date my date base! I have Inês Lucinda da Silveira de Andrade, daughter of José Jacinto de Andrade Albuquerque Bettencourt and Mariana Augusta da Silveira, granddaughter of José Jacinto de Andrade Albuquerque Bettencourt, Mariana Leonor da Câmara Medeiros, Jacinto Inácio da Silveira and Jacinta Rosa de Medeiros Miranda Araújo (b. 27-4-1826 in Ponta Delgada) married (18-1-1845 in Ponta Delgada) to Amâncio Gago da Câmara [2nd Baron Fonte Bela], son of Gil Gago da Câmara and Brannca Guilhermina do Canto e Medeiros, grandson of Francisco Xavier Gomes, Joana Rosa Gago da Câmara, José Caetano Dias do Canto and Bernarda Isabel do Canto.  The pedigree runs about 1,000 pp.

Their descendants are as follows:

First Generation

1. Amâncio Gago Câmara  was born on 8 Apr 1815. He died on 8 Jun 1905 in Ponta Delgada.

Amâncio married Inês Lucinda da Silveira Andrade  daughter of José Jacinto de Andrade Albuquerque Bettencourt and Mariana Augusta da Silveira on 18 Jan 1845 in Ponta Delgada. Inês was born on 27 Apr 1826 in Ponta Delgada.

They had the following children:

2 M i. Jaime Gago da Câmara  was born on 30 Apr 1847 in Ponta Delgada.

+ 3 M ii. Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara  was born on 25 Oct 1851. He died on 25 Aug 1894.

+ 4 M iii. Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara  was born on 16 Dec 1852. He died on 11 Nov 1918.

+ 5 F iv. Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara  was born on 5 Nov 1856. She died on 9 Jun 1900.


Second Generation

3. Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara  (Amâncio Gago) was born on 25 Oct 1851 in Ponta Delgada. He died on 25 Aug 1894 in Ponta Delgada.

Jacinto married Maria da Glória Machado . Maria was born on 4 Jan 1870.

They had the following children:

+ 6 M i. Jacinto Inácio da Silveira Andrade Gago da Câmara  was born on 7 Oct 1890. He died on 11 Nov 1949.

+ 7 F ii. Isabel Gago da Câmara  was born on 25 Sep 1893.

8 F iii. Maria da Conceição da Silveira Andrade Gago da Câmara  was born on 15 Jul 1889.
Maria married Francisco de Carvalhal  son of João Dias de Carvalhal and Catarina Amelia Leite on 20 May 1912. Francisco was born in Angra do Heroismo.

9 F iv. Leonor da Câmara .

4. Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara  (Amâncio Gago) was born on 16 Dec 1852 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada. He died on 11 Nov 1918.

Amâncio married (1) Clara Leopoldina Rebello Borges de Castro  daughter of Balthazar

Rebelo Borges do Castro and Clara Emília Borges da Camara e Medeiros on 25 Oct 1877 in Ponta Delgada. Clara was born on 28 Feb 1861.


Amâncio was not married (2) to Maria dos Santos . Maria was born in Água de Pau.

They had the following children:

+ 10 M i. José Inácio Ventura  was born on 22 Jan 1883. He died about 1953.

5. Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara  (Amâncio Gago) was born on 5 Nov 1856 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada. She died on 9 Jun 1900 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada.

Mariana married Francisco Machado de Faria e Maia  son of Francisco Machado de Faria e Maia and Teresa Clara de Jesus Cardoso Machado de Faria e Maia on 16 Apr 1873 in SJPD. Francisco was born on 27 May 1841. He died in Matriz-Ribeira Grande.

They had the following children:

+ 11 F i. Clara Gago de Faria e Maia  was born on 10 Nov 1875. She died on 11 Oct 1898.

12 M ii. Jacinto Gago de Faria e Maia  was born on 7 Oct 1874. He died in 1925.

13 F iii. Maria Leonor Faria e Maia [freira]  was born on 5 Oct 1879. She died in 1946.

+ 14 F iv. Mariana Isabel Gago da Câmara de Faria e Maia  was born on 23 Apr 1883. She died on 17 Apr 1926.

15 M v. Amâncio Gago Machado de Faria e Maia  was born in 1892. He died in 1962.
Amâncio married (1) Gilda Rebelo Ivens  daughter of João Ivens.
Amâncio married (2) Maria Margarida de Melo e Sampaio .

+ 16 M vi. Eduardo Gago de Faria e Maia Presidente da Camara de Lagoa  was born on 2 Jul 1898.


Third Generation

6. Jacinto Inácio da Silveira Andrade Gago da Câmara  (Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 7 Oct 1890 in Ponta Delgada. He died on 11 Nov 1949 in Lisbon.

Jacinto married Isabel Maria Fernandes Gil  daughter of Jacinto Fernandes Gil and Maria de Andrade de Albuquerque de Bettencourt on 29 Dec 1921. Isabel was born on 26 Dec 1895 in Ponta Delgada.

They had the following children:

17 F i. Maria da Graça Gago da Câmara .

+ 18 M ii. Estevão Gago da Câmara  was born on 19 Dec 1922.


19 M iii. João Gago da Câmara .

7. Isabel Gago da Câmara  (Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 25 Sep 1893 in Ponta Delgada.

Isabel married Jaime Nobre de Oliveira  son of João Martins de Oliveira and Maria Mariz Pinto Nobre on 15 May 1912 in Lisboa. Jaime was born on 25 Aug 1888 in S. Salvador-Brazil.

They had the following children:

20 M i. Jaime Amâncio João Jacinto Nobre de Oliveira  was born on 16 Mar 1913 in Paris.

10. José Inácio Ventura  (Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 22 Jan 1883 in S. Pedro-Ponta Delgada. He died about 1953.

José married Diana de Jesus Mendonça  daughter of Francisco Mendonça and Maria Júlia on 1 Jul 1908 in Rosto do Cão. Diana was born on 8 Dec 1890 in Arrifes.

They had the following children:

+ 21 F i. Fernanda Ventura  was born on 12 Apr 1909. She died in 1993.

11. Clara Gago de Faria e Maia  (Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 10 Nov 1875 in SJPD. She died on 11 Oct 1898 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada.

Clara married (1) Alexandre Albuquerque  son of Manuel Medeiros da Costa Albuquerque on 3 Jul 1907 in Fajã de Baixo. Alexandre was born in 1874.


Clara married (2) António José Canavarro de Vasconcelos  in Arrifes. António was born on 28 Jul 1869.

They had the following children:

+ 22 F i. Margarida Benedicta de Faria e Maia Canavarro de Vasconcelos  was born on 28 Apr 1895. She died on 20 Feb 1953.

23 F ii. Inês Clara de Faria e Maia de Canavarro de Vasconcelos  was born on 1 Nov 1896 in Ponta Delgada.
Inês married Henrique Resende de Aguiar .

24 F iii. Maria Luísa de Faria e Maya Canavarro de Vasconcelos  was born on 12 Sep 1896 in Ponta Delgada.
Maria married Auguste van Hoof .

14. Mariana Isabel Gago da Câmara de Faria e Maia  (Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 23 Apr 1883 in S. Pedro-PD. She was christened on 4 Jun 1883 in S. Pedro-PD. She died on 17 Apr 1926 in Ponta Delgada.

Mariana married Gustavo Wallenstein Consul of Germany  on 9 Jun 1903 in Ponta Delgada. Gustavo was born on 8 Sep 1872 in Hamburg. He died on 17 Jan 1922 in Hamburg.

Gustavo and Mariana had the following children:

25 M i. Maximiliano Amâncio Wallenstein  was born on 24 Mar 1904 in Matriz-PD.

26 M ii. Kurt Adolfo Wallenstein  was born on 16 May 1905.

27 M iii. Ernesto Wallenstein  was born on 19 Oct 1907.

28 F iv. Margarida Wallenstein  was born on 1 Dec 1910.

29 M v. Franz Paul Wallenstein  was born on 1 May 1912.

30 M vi. Gustavo Frederico Wallenstein  was born on 24 Jan 1914.

31 M vii. Eduardo Wallenstein  was born on 14 Aug 1922 in Hamburg. He was christened on 24 Oct 1922.

+ 32 F viii. Clara Wallenstein  was born on 10 May 1905.

33 M ix. Carlos Wallenstein  was born in 1909 in Ponta Delgada. He died on 17 Nov.

16. Eduardo Gago de Faria e Maia Presidente da Camara de Lagoa  (Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 2 Jul 1898 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada. He died in Tondela.

Eduardo married Maria Guilhermina Ivens Tavares Neto  daughter of Jayme Tavares Neto and Maria Joana de Medeiros Ivens on 2 Jul 1921 in SPPD. Maria was born on 28 Nov 1901 in S. Jorge de Arroios, Lisbon. She died on 18 May 1988 in Calheta, Ribeira Seca.

They had the following children:

+ 34 F i. Maria Eduarda Neto de Faria e Maia  was born on 8 Aug 1922. She died on 18 Jan 2004.


Fourth Generation

18. Estevão Gago da Câmara  (Jacinto Inácio da Silveira Andrade Gago da Câmara, Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 19 Dec 1922 in Botelho.

Estevão married Luísa Margarida da Câmara Velho de Melo Cabral  on 27 Jul 1949.

They had the following children:

+ 35 F i. Maria Margarida Gago da Câmara  was born on 24 Nov 1950.

36 M ii. Rui Gago da Câmara  was born on 17 Jan 1952 in Fajã de Baixo.
Rui married Maria Helena Moniz de Teves .

21. Fernanda Ventura  (José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 12 Apr 1909. She died in 1993.

Fernanda married João de Sousa Silva  son of José de Sousa Silva and Cecília Amélia da

Conceição. João was born on 18 Jul 1906 in Matriz-Ponta Delgada. He died on 3 Jul 1945 in Angra.

They had the following children:

+ 37 M i. Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva .

22. Margarida Benedicta de Faria e Maia Canavarro de Vasconcelos  (Clara Gago de Faria e Maia, Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 28 Apr 1895 in Fajã de Baixo. She died on 20 Feb 1953 in Lisbon.

Margarida married Veríssimo de Freitas da Silva . Veríssimo was born on 30 Sep 1883.

They had the following children:

38 F i. Clara de Vasconcelos de Freitas da Silva .

39 M ii. Veríssimo de Vasconcelos de Freitas da Silva  was born on 14 Feb 1923.
Veríssimo married Maria Aguiar Bicudo de Medeiros .

32. Clara Wallenstein  (Mariana Isabel Gago da Câmara de Faria e Maia, Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 10 May 1905 in Ponta Delgada.

Clara married José dos Santos Teixeira  on 25 Nov 1925 in Ponta Delgada.

They had the following children:

40 M i. Carlos Manuel Teixeira  was born on 4 Nov 1926.

41 F ii. Margarida Teixeira  was born on 22 Jan 1928. She died on 8 Nov 1929 in S. Pedro-PD.

42 M iii. Fernando Gustavo Teixeira  was born on 14 Sep 1930 in S. Pedro-PD.

43 M iv. Paulo Christiano Teixeira  was christened on 11 Sep 1932 in Ponta Delgada.

34. Maria Eduarda Neto de Faria e Maia  (Eduardo Gago de Faria e Maia, Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 8 Aug 1922 in SPPD. She died on 18 Jan 2004 in SJPD.

Maria married Salviano Rui de Carvalho e Cunha  on 11 Oct 1944 in Lisbon. Salviano was born on 30 Aug 1912.

They had the following children:

+ 44 F i. Maria Margarida Gago de Carvalho e Cunha  was born on 6 Oct 1945.

45 M ii. Eduardo Rui Gago de Carvalho e Cunha  was born in 1948.
Eduardo married (1) Maria Franco Tavares Carreiro . Maria was born in 1948.
Eduardo married (2) Maria da Conceição Rodrigues  in 1986. Maria was born in 1958.

46 F iii. Maria de Lurdes Gago de Carvalho e Cunha .
Maria married Luís Alberto Borges Tavares .


Fifth Generation

35. Maria Margarida Gago da Câmara  (Estevão Gago da Câmara, Jacinto Inácio da Silveira Andrade Gago da Câmara, Jacinto da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 24 Nov 1950 in Fajã de Baixo.

Maria married (1) Manuel Maria Caldeira de Pontes Cordovil  on 22 Mar 1970. Manuel was born on 31 May 1943.

They had the following children:

47 F i. Isabel Maria Gago da Câmara Cordovil  was born on 23 Jun 1973 in Oeiras, Carnaxide.
Isabel married Raúl Carvalho dos Santos Garcia  on 24 Apr 2000 in Loures.

48 F ii. Maria Helena Gago da Câmara Cordovil  was born on 6 Jan 1976 in SJPD.
Maria married Nuno Pedro Martinsl Cardoso Dias  on 21 Apr 2001.


Maria married (2) Nuno Gonçalo de Castelo Branco Gago da Camara Botelho de Medeiros  son of José Honorato Gago da Camara de Medeiros 3rd Visconde de Botelho and Maria da Piedade de Castelo Branco. Nuno was born on 29 Apr 1938 in Lisboa. He was christened on 28 Jun 1938 in S. Miguel.

37. Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva  (Fernanda Ventura, José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago).

Nicolau married Maria da Conceição Arruda  daughter of José Cabral Arruda and Lidovina da Costa Brandão on 27 Sep 1956 in Ponta Delgada. Maria was born on 9 Dec 1928 in Lomba da Fazenda-Nordeste.

They had the following children:

+ 49 M i. Humberto Manuel Arruda Ventura Silva  was born on 18 Aug 1958.

+ 50 M ii. João Nicolau Arruda Ventura Silva  was born on 26 Nov 1963.

+ 51 M iii. Luis Alberto Arruda Ventura Silva  was born on 16 Jan 1961.

+ 52 F iv. Fernanda Paula Arruda Ventura Silva .

44. Maria Margarida Gago de Carvalho e Cunha  (Maria Eduarda Neto de Faria e Maia, Eduardo Gago de Faria e Maia, Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 6 Oct 1945 in Santa Cruz da Lagoa.

Maria married Pedro Jâcome Correia Hintze Ribeiro  on 29 Jul 1967 in Santa Cruz da Lagoa. Pedro was born on 2 Nov 1941.

They had the following children:

+ 53 M i. Pedro Jâcome Hintze Ribeiro de Carvalho e Cunha  was born on 23 Mar 1971.


54 F ii. Ana de Carvalho e Cunha Hintze Ribeiro  was born on 9 May 1968.
Ana married Rui Machado Medeiros  on 17 Sep 1994.


Sixth Generation

49. Humberto Manuel Arruda Ventura Silva  (Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva, Fernanda Ventura, José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 18 Aug 1958 in Lomba da Fazenda-Nordeste.

Humberto married Judy Verna Ruest  on 20 Feb 1982 in Maine.

They had the following children:

55 F i. Brianne Marie Silva  was born on 8 Sep 1982.

56 M ii. Matthew Nicholas Silva  was born on 22 May 1986.

50. João Nicolau Arruda Ventura Silva  (Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva, Fernanda Ventura, José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 26 Nov 1963.

João married (1) Natalie Paiva  in 1984. The marriage ended in divorce.

They had the following children:

57 M i. Brandon Silva .


João was not married (2) to Kim Almeida .

They had the following children:

58 M ii. Nicholas Silva  was born in 2002.

51. Luis Alberto Arruda Ventura Silva  (Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva, Fernanda Ventura, José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 16 Jan 1961.

Luis married (1) Teresa Carreiro  in 1982. The marriage ended in divorce.

They had the following children:

59 M i. Jonathan Silva  was born in 1982.

60 M ii. Andrew Silva  was born in 1985.


Luis married (2) Joya Fusco .

They had the following children:

61 F iii. Lauren Elizabeth Silva  was born in 2001.

52. Fernanda Paula Arruda Ventura Silva  (Nicolau Ventura de Sousa Silva, Fernanda
Ventura, José Inácio Ventura, Amâncio da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago).

Fernanda married João da Ponte  in 1986. João was born in Fenaes.

They had the following children:

62 M i. Christopher Ponte  was born in 2000.

63 F ii. Jacqueline da Ponte  was born in 2003.

64 F iii. Nicole da Ponte  was born in 2003.

53. Pedro Jâcome Hintze Ribeiro de Carvalho e Cunha  (Maria Margarida Gago de Carvalho e Cunha, Maria Eduarda Neto de Faria e Maia, Eduardo Gago de Faria e Maia, Mariana da Silveira Gago da Câmara, Amâncio Gago) was born on 23 Mar 1971 in Ponta Delgada.

Pedro married Ana Sousa Gomes Junqueiro Sarmento  on 24 Aug 1996 in Fajã de Baixo.

They had the following children:

65 M i. Pedro Jâcome Junqueiro Sarmento Hintze Ribeiro .

66 F ii. Mariana Jâcome Junqueiro Sarmento Carvalho e Cunha  was born in Mar 2002.

[Beth Bell]

I do, too.  But I'll have to get my info out and look to see exactly which of the seven kids I connect to.....

 

Beth Barcellos Bell

Marr...@cs.com wrote:

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[Linda Norton]

You’re related to Herb and Judy!

 

There may be some connection with one of the lines down, but I will check and let you know.

 

I know my mother’s maternal grandfather was Manuel de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues from Sao Roque and Arrifes and I do know my mother’s cousins were Texeiras and I do have Borges Tavares as well on my mother’s paternal side, but I have them all in Riberia Grande and not Ponta Delgada.  Some, of course, could have moved to Ponta Delgada, though. 

 

Thank you for all your information and sorry for all your work you had to do to let me know.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

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From: Azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marr...@cs.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:30 PM
To: Azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

 

In a message dated 10/15/2005 7:55:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linda...@comcast.net writes:

[Shirley Allegre]

Beth:  When you figure out which kid, will you please let me know.  Thanks

Shirley

----- Original Message -----

From: Beth Bell

To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:39 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Beth Bell]

Sure---will do.

   http://www.livingwaters.com/learn/

[George Pacheco]

Beth here it is:

 Descendency on your direct line

 

Martin Anes de Sousa

Filipa Martins Furtado

Pedro Pacheco de Sousa

Filipa Pacheco Botelho

Morgado Miguel Pacheco de Sousa

Capitão Miguel Pacheco Pereira

Mateus Pereira Pacheco or Pacheco Pereira

Pedro Pacheco Botelho

Ana Botelho

Miguel Pacheco Botelho

Ana de Jesus

Jose de Sousa Pacheco Medeiros

Gertrudes Carolina

Jacinta de Jesus

Antonio Carvalho de Oliveira

 

Primo George

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[Beth Bell]

Wow---thanks, George.  I have the info, but not on my work computer.....and at present, not on my home computer yet either!  We were thinking of changing computers again....so didn't go to the trouble to put it on my home computer....but will as soon as we know what we're going to do---keep it or get another......at any rate, I do appreciate you posting this for me!!  Many thanks!  

 

tua prima, Beth

George Pacheco <bretan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Beth Bell]

Hi George----I've been thinking about this.....I believe I connect with this line through my other Oliveira line also (through my ggrandmother, Maria dos Santos Oliveira)---and Solanda Lopes is in that direct line......I remember seeing that, at any rate....

   http://www.livingwaters.com/learn/

[George Pacheco]

Beth here it is:

 

Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa

Ines Martins

Solanda Lopes

Maria de Oliveira

Bartolomeu Oliveira

Afonso de Oliveira

Maria de Oliveira

Ana Catarina

Maria Viveiros

Alexandre Viveiros Camelo

Joana Inacia Medeiros

Francisca Medeiros Rego

Vitoria de Jesus

Maria dos Santos

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[Beth Bell]

Thank you, primo----you are a gem!  How about that---descended from TWO of their kids!  So, does anyone know who this Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa was before he landed in Madeira??  Wish these folks kept a journal back then!!  ;-))

 

Shirley---I hope these lines that George posted today are a help to you.

 

Kind regards,

Beth Barcellos...etc., etc., etc......Bell   ;-))

George Pacheco <bretan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Julie Marsh]

Is this family related to Van Der Haegan or did it get
mixed in with that converstation? I have no idea when
we are talking about him or some other family line.
Please help.
Julzz

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[George Pacheco]

no it is not related

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[Manoel Cesar Furtado]

Beth,

 

We all have to thank the friar Gaspar Frutuoso for his book Saudades da Terra written circa 1580 about the first families that came to S. Miguel island.

I´ve been searching for documental trace of Martinhanes (Martim Anes) Furtado de Sousa in Madeira island and mainland, but I found nothing. He´s documented in S. Miguel. See 'Arquivo dos Açores'. The document only shows he died before 1507.

All we know about him comes from Saudades da Terra, book 4th.

 

Manoel

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Beth Bell

To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:48 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Beth Bell]

Hi Manoel,

 

Hmmm......a mystery!  Do you know if he was a person of importance once coming to Sao Miguel?  Perhaps he was just a settler on Madeira, then Sao Miguel, but rose to leadership later??  I hope something turns up about this individual one of these days.  I don't have these books available to me.....nor do I read Portuguese....though I can pick out words here and there and manage the gist of things with a dictionary.

 

At any rate...thanks, Manoel.

 

Kind regards,

Beth

   http://www.livingwaters.com/learn/

[Shirley Allegre]

Beth:  I just emailed George and asked him to send me what info he has on the descendents of my 114,382 Martim Aes Furtado de Sousa X my 114,383 Solanda Lopes.

He usually sends several pages of info.  After I go through it, I will see if or now I connect to you.

Shirley

----- Original Message -----

From: Beth Bell

To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:48 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Linda Norton]

If you get anything can you please send me the info or see if I have a connection.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

 

Researching Furtado, de Sousa, Rainha, Morgado, Borges, de Andrade, de Almeida, Rodrigues & more.

 

---

[Linda Norton]

Herb,

Do you have anything after 1826 that would leave me to believe we have a
connection?

Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

[Beth Bell]

Shirley----OK----this should be interesting!  Please do keep me posted.

 

George---Thank you for posting those obits today----that was very thoughtful.

 

Kind regards,

Beth

Shirley Allegre <shi...@psln.com> wrote:

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[Shirley Allegre]

I just noticed an email from George Pacheco saying that he is Povoacao, Sao Miguel, Azores.

We will have to wait until he gets back to the U.S.

[Linda Norton]

Waiting on pins and needles.  Thanks.

 

Linda

[Linda Norton]

Thanks.

 

Linda

[Herb Silva]

Linda

Just the information that John sent you last week about my gggg grandmother
Ines Lucinda da Silveira Andrade, is all I can offer right now. You can
trace that through my relatives , the Gagos, and Silveiras to Maria dos
Santos. My great great grandmother was Maria dos Santos, but family
tradition has it that she died giving birth to Jose Inacio, who was
Amancio's son, possibly in Jan 1883 or as late as Nov 1883 in Sao Pedro,
Ponta Delgada. I've searched for many years and George Pacheco is also
helping me, but so far we haven't been able to find anything on Maria Dos
Santos last name or where she was from.. If she gave birth in Sao Pedro in
1883 we can't find it. My father was a (Ventura) Sousa Silva. Once I have
that information on Maria dos Santos it should open up alot of doors. My
grandmother was from Sao Roque and I also have a lot of relatives from
Ribeira Grande and Ponta Delgada.

There was a Borges Cabral from my mom's side also, but it appears she was
from Nordeste.

[George Pacheco]

Shirley i am in the USA

I was Researching Povoação Records at FHC

LOL

George

[Linda Norton]

What I've learned from this list and from my own family is that the female
lines carry their mother's or grandmother's surname not their fathers.

My mother always carried Borges and not Borges Giesta which I have found on
records and my cousins on the paternal side have Giesta as their surname.
My mother always said that her mother, my grandmother was a de Andrade. I
have found through a marriage certificate that my grandfather was Manuel de
Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues.

My father always said his mother was a de Sousa, but yet on record her
father was de Sousa Calloura.

It just makes it harder to find the lines.

[Shirley Allegre]

You rascal.  When you get a chance will you send what I asked for.  Thanks\

Shirley

----- Original Message -----

From: George Pacheco

To: Azo...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:29 PM

Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Jorge Todeschini]

Not necessarily, Linda.

Very often, women used their mothers' names, and men used their
fathers'. But often all of them used the father's surname, or his
followed by hers, of vice-versa, or they useda grandparent's surname, or
a godparent's.

Many women (and some men) also chose to use a "devotional" surname, a
religious name such as da Conceição, de Jesus, da Encarnação, do
Nascimento (which eventually became a family name), de São Tomé, de
Santa Ana, etc. Sometimes devotional names were used by several
generations of women.

But I agree 100% that that makes it harder to find some lines.

Cordialmente,

Jorge Todeschini
Chandler, AZ
http://www.familiatodeschini.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Linda Norton
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-GEN] Re: Van der Hagen

[Patricia]

I thought he started a colony in Flores then left there to go to Topo?
Do I have my facts wrong?

[Ema...@aol.com]

You are correct..First Silveira went to Feteiras after Faial and then to Flores which was a disaster and then to Topo, SJorge. 

[Ema...@aol.com]

Correction....I'm sorry.  I had Feteiras on the brain..lots of ancestors from that place. 

 

Van der Hagen, went from Faial to Terceira and then to Flores and then to Topo, Sao Jorge.