1568 Marriage Estrela, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel; bride from Ponte de Lima, Portugal

[Bill Seidler]

This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage record for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first record I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.

Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do Carmo do termo de Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within Ponte de Lima (district of Viana do Castelo).

Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html (4th on right)

Bill Seidler

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Congrats, Bill!  At the very beginning of settlement of the Azores they were there.   

Debbie

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[Bill Seidler]

CORRECTED VERSION (It does not say Santa Marinha DO CARMO)

This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage record for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first record I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.

Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do termo de Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within Ponte de Lima (district of Viana do Castelo).

Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html (4th on right)

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:

Congrats, Bill!  At the very beginning of settlement of the Azores they were there.   

Debbie

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bill Seidler <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage record for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first record I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.

Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do Carmo do termo de Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within Ponte de Lima (district of Viana do Castelo).

Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html (4th on right)

Bill Seidler

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[JR]

I think you are at the end of the line, Bill. Church records more or less started at this time, so finding earlier records is unlikely. The record does state "termo" de Ponte de Lima, not Carmo. This simply means it is within the limits of Ponte de Lima jurisdiction. Like Lomba de Maia is in the termo of Maia. In fact, Ribeira Grande has some of the earliest and best records I have seen anywhere. It doesn't get any better. Also, this is about the time when people started to use two or more names, so that makes it difficult to trace people with common names. If you connect to nobles and wealthy people, it may be possible to get back further. Most of that research is already done by professional genealogists and historians in various publications. And these are likely in Rodrigo Rodrigues works, as he traced many of the founding settlers back to the founding of the first settlements. Maybe Margaret can add something.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

I figured out that Santa Marinha (church) belongs to Monção (the council) that belongs to Viana do Castelo (the district).

Some of Viana do Castelo are still coming online (you can subscribe to the Tombo.pt news blurb. You get an email saying there are new books available (wherever). Scroll all the way to the bottom of the left navigation column:

I can't figure out what FamilySearch has on them.

I did an Internet search for: "santa marinha" "viana do castelo" and turned up this:

https://digitarq.advct.arquivos.pt/details?id=1070167

A native speaker is going to have to tell you what it means.

Cheri

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[Bill Seidler]

I found Santa Marinha as another name for the parish of Arcozelo, Ponte de Lima, Viana do Castelo, but the records start in 1640 (about 100 years too late).  JR is likely correct about being at the end of the line. https://tombo.pt/f/ptl04

I am still excited about my first connection to the continent.  Apparently my mother's family was Azorean for centuries.

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