Dead end

[Olivia]

I've come to a dead end on my family tree. I left my grandfather's side for last thinking it would be the easiest, but it was not to be. All I have is Maria Eugenia de Andrade born in Capelo, Faial. Her parents were Francisco Pereira de Garia, Capelo and Inacia Eugenia 1797-1842, Capelo. Hoping someone has some information.

[JR]

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=francisco+pereira;n=garcia;oc=1

Are the above yours? Data shows, Francisco Pereira [Garcia] married to Maria Inacia, May 11- 1822. He is son of Jose Correia Garcia and Felicia de Sao Jose. she is daughter of  Francisco Dutra Goularte and Inacia Maria. You can the names are very similar and you be able to cross them against the grandparents of the children in your files.

JR

[JR]

Sorry. the father of Francisco Pereira should read Jose Pereira Garcia not Correia Garcia.

JR

[Diane George]

JR,

 

Could Francisco Pereira Garia be Francisco Pereira Faria? I don’t have time right to give you the details of why that’s possible but will later if necessary.

 

Diane George

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[JR]

I don't know, but I doubt it. Faria does not appear in the earlier generations of the http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt site. 

JR

[Olivia]

*update*

Sorry, it should read Francisco Pereira de Faria.

[Emil]

Hi,

     I think that the Name "Garia" is not correct. I believe it should be Faria. If you go to http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=francisco+pereira+de;n=faria;oc=3

it may help you to get back on the correct path. I hope.

     Also as a general thought for those who do read this. I see that most people who post assume that everyone who reads their messages understand the abbreviations used, leave out full place names, etc. and in general lose valuable information that people may have to help them, because of lazy incomplete writing which most of us do. I have to keep reminding myself to believe the person reading my message will be interested enough to reply to me, even if it doesn't help me. Small things are important and patience is critacal.

       Just a small thought

                             Emil

Researching: Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, Terceira, Brazil, United States and Canada.

[Olivia]

Thank you JR but my autocorrect kicked in. Name should read Francisco Pereira de Faria.

[Comcast]

Noelia,  I will work on that tonight, I know you and I are cousins and I think I may be able to help.  I just don’t have time right now.😀

[Olivia]

Yes it is Faria not Garia. My autocorrect kicked in. I'm excited because people seem to have information for me

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Olivia, the site for Faial is www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt and you can do the searching yourself. The only thing is that you need to verify whatever you get off of the site by going to the government site with the actual documents @ www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig

If you have questions about either site, just email me and I can walk you through it all. 

Rosemarie

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Olivia <nlolly...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes it is Faria not Garia. My autocorrect kicked in. I'm excited because people seem to have information for me

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[noelia andrade]

Hi Rosemary that's where I was but I was going back and forth between Capelo and Praia do Norte and I guess I became mixed up. I did find a few more names.    

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[Cheri Mello]

One freguesia from Faial is missing on that site (CITCEM-GHP)

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

Rosemarie, you are not kidding. the record on the uminho site is for Jose Pereira Faria cc Ana Clara Escobar, not a Francisco Pereira Faria. And the date is Oct 5 - 1833, not July 22- 1833. He re is the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P28.html

Olivia I may have some info for you from Faial that I collected when I was helping someone. I would like to share it with you if it helps you. However, at this point I am quite confused on what you are looking for.  Thought it was Pereira Garcia, now I learn it is Pereira Faria. Can you post what you have, or send it to me so I can see if there is a match. I will send you what I have if there is a match.

JR

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[Diane George]

Olivia,

I found this record in Capelo for Francisco Pereira Faria:

Francisco Pereira de Faria
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=en;p=francisco+pereira+de;n=faria;oc=3

He is married to Inacia Eugenia, but the dates for her don't match what you included. I did not search for the original records. They have a daughter Maria, with a birthdate in 1834. There is no other information included about her.

Hope this helps.

Diane George

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[nlollyanne123]

JR  my autocorrect kicked in on my IPAD.  The person I was looking for was Francisco Pereira Faria. Sorry for the confusion.

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Yes, JR, lots of mistakes. Take it as you would anyone's research, verify, verify, verify!! 

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[JR]

It seems I made an error. I apologize. I was looking in a different village- that is Cedros. The marriage for Francisco Pereira Faria and Ignacia Eugenia da Silveira, in Capelo, July 22- 1833, is correct. See the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P76.html

He is filho de Francisco Pereira de Faria and Ignacia Roza; She is filha de Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Anna Roza, naturais de Santissimo da Trindade, lugar de Capelo, where both were baptised.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

And the CITCEM was complied by college students as part of a sociology project too.

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:43 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:

After looking at the many records of Capelo, Faial, I have a much greater respect for the work that was done to compile the database. Many of the names in certain historical periods are so interchangeable that it is difficult not to make mistakes. I have discovered for instance that a name followed by question mark, indicates the finding is not certain and the family to which a baptism is ascribed is in doubt. So the best choice was made followed by the question mark. Another example is for the parents of Francisco Pereira de Faria, which are Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia Rosa. Should be easy, right? But the record (s) in the database show more than four options, none exact, and maybe more. It appears the authors decided not to choose which marriage is the correct one, because of the similar names in the same time period. It is quite a minefield, in my opinion. If the dispensations are available, this is the best option IMO. The July 22- 1833 marriage indicates the couple are related in the fourth degree.

JR

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[noelia andrade]

Thank you JR. 

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:11 AM JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:

After looking at the many records of Capelo, Faial, I have a much greater respect for the work that was done to compile the database. Many of the names in certain historical periods are so interchangeable that it is difficult not to make mistakes. I have discovered for instance that a name followed by question mark, indicates the finding is not certain and the family to which a baptism is ascribed is in doubt. So the best choice was made followed by the question mark. Another example is for the parents of Francisco Pereira de Faria, which are Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia Rosa. Should be easy, right? But the record (s) in the database show more than four options, none exact, and maybe more. It appears the authors decided not to choose which marriage is the correct one, because of the similar names in the same time period. It is quite a minefield, in my opinion. If the dispensations are available, this is the best option IMO. The July 22- 1833 marriage indicates the couple are related in the fourth degree.

JR

 
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[JR]

Here is what I think your line should be. Barring new unknown evidence, this is the closest match I could find in the records. I crossed checked all this with the CITCEM site. They are exactly the same, except they I added a generation. I will send the source files to you email address along with the other generations. Is Maria Eugenia de Andrade your ancestor? And if so, who is she married to and the date. Thats should help reinforce these findings, or possibly cause a reassessment of the findings.

JR

 

Ancestors of Maria Eugenia de Andrade

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

        1.  Maria Eugenia de Andrade, born 26 Apr 1834 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of 2. Francisco Pereira de Faria and 3. Inacia Eugenia da Silveira.

 

Generation No. 2

 

       2.  Francisco Pereira de Faria, born 19 Aug 1812 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of 4. Francisco Garcia de Faria and 5. Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa.  He married 3. Inacia Eugenia da Silveira 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

        3.  Inacia Eugenia da Silveira, born 08 Sep 1804 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of 6. Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and 7. Ana Rosa da Silveira.

       

Children of Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia Silveira are:

        1                 i.    Maria Eugenia de Andrade, born 26 Apr 1834 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

                       

 

Generation No. 3

 

        4.  Francisco Garcia de Faria, born 21 Apr 1757 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of Matias Garcia and Ana de Faria.  He married 5. Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa 15 Oct 1781 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

        5.  Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa, born Abt. 1761 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; died Bef. 13 Jan 1805 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of Antonio Dutra Leao and Catarina Dutra Bulcao.

       

Children of Francisco Garcia de Faria and Rosa are:

                      

        2               iv.    Francisco Pereira de Faria, born 19 Aug 1812 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Inacia Eugenia da Silveira 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

 

 

        6.  Francisco Silveira de Medeiros, born 26 Feb 1758 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of Lourenco de Medeiros and Rosa Silveira de Faria.  He married 7. Ana Rosa da Silveira 08 Nov 1790 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

        7.  Ana Rosa da Silveira, born 06 Jan 1771 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of Francisco Dutra de Andrade and Felipa Rosa de Sao Jose.

       

Children of Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Ana Silveira are:

                        

        3                ii.    Inacia Eugenia da Silveira, born 08 Sep 1804 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Francisco Pereira de Faria 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

[nlollyanne123]

Hi JR Maria Eugenia de Andrade was my great grandmother and the few dates I have match. Thank you so much for this.

Noelia 

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