Computer And Phone Cabling
Robert Luke
For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
just $60.00
per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
well beat it
that's a promise.
Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
Bob La Londe
Robert Luke <ro...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
--
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The Security Consultant
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(520)782-9765 ofc
(520)782-7873 fax
ROC 103044, ROC 103047
Nick Coons
> > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > just $60.00
> > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > well beat it
> > that's a promise.
> > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
> Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
Are you sure about that? I see advertisements all the time that have
neither a contractor's number nor "unlicensed" in them; including such
publications as the Qwest Yellow Pages and The Arizona Republic.
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Allen
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>
> Robert Luke <ro...@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:3B55DC46...@qwest.net...
> > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > just $60.00
> > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > well beat it
> > that's a promise.
> >
> > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
>
> Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
>
I think it's safe to assume that if the advertiser doesn't post his
contractor's license number then he's not licensed ... since it's a solid
selling point to list such if he had one.
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Nick Coons <nco...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Bob!
>
> > > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > > just $60.00
> > > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > > well beat it
> > > that's a promise.
>
> > > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
>
> > Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> > specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
>
> Are you sure about that? I see advertisements all the time that have
> neither a contractor's number nor "unlicensed" in them; including such
> publications as the Qwest Yellow Pages and The Arizona Republic.
>
Yep. I'm sure. Actually state legislations is technically a statute rather than
a law, but any contracting advertisement for contractor activity is supposed to
show contractors license numbers or the word "unlicensed." They have just
passed new legislation strengthening this also.
Now, if they actually enforce it in any consistant basis is another story. An
article in a recent contractor news letter says that the Registrar of
Contractors is taking a more proactive stance in this type of thing, and that
the various advertising media including Yellow Pages have been notified of new
requirements.
It would not apply to personal communications, but all advertisiments, invoices,
work orders, proposals, and contracts are supposed to have the contractor's
license number, and the new legislation is supposed to contain stronger
penalties and grounds for enforcement against non-licensed contractors.
Of, course... legislation and reality are often two different things.
--
Bob La Londe
The Security Consultant
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(520)782-9765 ofc
(520)782-7873 fax
ROC 103044, C-12
ROC 103047, L-67
Bob La Londe
Allen <al...@liontecNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1ph67.4359$Fc7.71...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
>
> >
> > Robert Luke <ro...@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B55DC46...@qwest.net...
> > > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > > just $60.00
> > > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > > well beat it
> > > that's a promise.
> > >
> > > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
> >
> > Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> > specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
> >
>
> I think it's safe to assume that if the advertiser doesn't post his
> contractor's license number then he's not licensed ... since it's a solid
> selling point to list such if he had one.
>
True, but I try and give people the benefit of the doubt. I was also surprised
at his rate. It isn't much cheaper than our base rate for similar work, and we
are licensed, bonded, insured, certified, etc, etc, etc.
--
Bob La Londe
The Security Consultant
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(520)782-9765 ofc
(520)782-7873 fax
ROC 103044, C-12
ROC 103047, L-67
Bob La Londe
Oh, are you the computer Nick I know from Mesa?
I forgot to ask in my last post.
Timothy E. Tackman
who knew what they were doing rather than a 'licensed' 'certified'
'contractor' who doesn't have a clue in the world.
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Nick Coons
> > > > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > > > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > > > just $60.00
> > > > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > > > well beat it
> > > > that's a promise.
> > > > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > > > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
> > > Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> > > specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
> > Are you sure about that? I see advertisements all the time that have
> > neither a contractor's number nor "unlicensed" in them; including such
> > publications as the Qwest Yellow Pages and The Arizona Republic.
> Yep. I'm sure. Actually state legislations is technically a statute rather than
> a law, but any contracting advertisement for contractor activity is supposed to
> show contractors license numbers or the word "unlicensed." They have just
> passed new legislation strengthening this also.
I was aware that it was required for contracting work such as
construction and carpentry, etc. But I didn't realize that cabling fit
this category.
Nick Coons
> Oh, are you the computer Nick I know from Mesa?
> I forgot to ask in my last post.
Probably not.. I'm from Tempe :-).
Bob La Londe
contractors who knew how to do the particular task they were tackling.
Unfortunately what they don't know about quite often are other things, like
penetrating fire stops, gas barriers, working in plenums, and dealing with
asbestos and other hazardous building material issues.
I'm certainly not saying it takes a rocket scientist to run a piece of wire
because it does not. Its pretty straight forward.
But, when it gets down to the honest truth most people who pick the unlicensed
contractor do it because of price. It has nothing to do with qualifications. I
really have no issue with using unlicensed contractors, but I believe that they
should have to obey the statutes of the state and maintain solid building and
fire code issues. Currently state statutes say that an unlicensed contractor
has to state that they are unlicensed in their advertising.
After telephone deregulation in the 80s I did a lot of telco work as an
unlicensed contractor. It was very lucrative for me. I also made a point of
telling my customers that I had a lot of experience in the telecom industry, but
i was not a licensed contractor. It cost me a few customers, but more customers
were impressed by the fact that I was honest with them and knew what I was
doing. I also made a point of knowing about supplemental issues like those I
mentioned above. I obey the law and did good quality work that met building,
fire, and electrical codes. Now that I owned a licensed communications
contracting company I make a point of doing the same or better. I also, take
umbrage with those who don't obey the statutes of the state.
My guess (purely a guess) from the tone of your post is that you had an
unsatisfactory result from a contractor in the past. I certainly hope that you
didn't assume that because that all contractors are incompetant. In fact you
would be quite wrong. To keep up on all the commercail and institutional
demands and remain competitive we have to constantly study on the trade fields
that we work in. Also, we are constantly made aware of other issues in the
trades that could affect what we do. Besides that the vast majority of
contractor I know have worked there way up starting as a trades person, and
then building their own business. In fact 4 years expereince or 2 years
experience and 2 years related college education area a requirement for applying
for a contractors' license in Arizona. In other words, while yes you may find
unlicensed contractor who are quite qualified, you can be assured that any
licensed contractor has atleast some experience, and they passed the trades exam
for their license.
Getting back to the licensed contractor issue. Are you aware that licensed
contractors are required by state statute to warrantee their work, and if they
do not perform the job contracted or fail to meet minimum building standards it
is very easy to seek remedy against them with the registrar of contractors while
with an unlicensed contract you would have to take them to court.
No, I am not trying to take issue with you choosing whoever you want to work for
you. I just expect people who are competing in the field to obey the law.
--
Bob La Londe
The Security Consultant
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(520)782-9765 ofc
(520)782-7873 fax
ROC 103044, C-12
ROC 103047, L-67
Timothy E. Tackman <ttac...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bob La Londe
> Hi Bob!
>
> > > > > Computer And Phone Cabling
> > > > > For a limited tim only get the very best pricing on cabling
> > > > > just $60.00
> > > > > per drop. If you find a lower price get it in righting and
> > > > > well beat it
> > > > > that's a promise.
>
> > > > > Send Email to ro...@hotmail.com
> > > > > Or Call 602-279-1559 and ask for Robert.
>
> > > > Stae law requires you to either post your contractor's license number or
> > > > specifically state "unlicensed" in ALL advertisements.
>
> > > Are you sure about that? I see advertisements all the time that have
> > > neither a contractor's number nor "unlicensed" in them; including such
> > > publications as the Qwest Yellow Pages and The Arizona Republic.
>
> > Yep. I'm sure. Actually state legislations is technically a statute rather
than
> > a law, but any contracting advertisement for contractor activity is supposed
to
> > show contractors license numbers or the word "unlicensed." They have just
> > passed new legislation strengthening this also.
>
> I was aware that it was required for contracting work such as
> construction and carpentry, etc. But I didn't realize that cabling fit
> this category.
>
Cabling very definitely falls in this category. It falls under the license
class of "low voltage communications." L-67, C-12, or K-67 We are fortunate
in Arizona in that there is a license class for this otherwise we would be at
the mercy of the electricians unions as well, like in some other states were all
electrical must be installed or supervised by a journeyman electrician.
It would seem that throwing a wire shouldn't require a licensed contractor, but
there are many code issues that are easy to overlook. I'm not talking about
things like not coiling or kinking net cable. I am talking about wall
penetrations, plenum runs, knowing what a plenum is, fire code issues, etc.
Basically anytime you make any change to a building or property you are doing
tasks that fall under contracting. Throwing patch cables across the floor might
not be covered, but throwing one through a ceiling or fishing it down a wall
certainly would. Even pulling wire in conduits installed by somebody else.
I am not against unlicensed contractors. I was one once. I am against anybody
trying to avoid the statutory requirements to get an edge over those who follow
the legal requirements.
Nick Coons
> I am not against unlicensed contractors. I was one once. I am against anybody
> trying to avoid the statutory requirements to get an edge over those who follow
> the legal requirements.
That may not be the original poster's intention. Our organization
installs cabling as well, and no one here knew that it feel into a
contracting category. So any advertisements that we may have that
mention that we do cabling (not sure if we have any) wouldn't mention
"unlicensed".. and not because we're trying to avoid statutory
requirements.
Bob La Londe
> Hi Bob!
>
> > I am not against unlicensed contractors. I was one once. I am against
anybody
> > trying to avoid the statutory requirements to get an edge over those who
follow
> > the legal requirements.
>
> That may not be the original poster's intention. Our organization
> installs cabling as well, and no one here knew that it feel into a
> contracting category. So any advertisements that we may have that
> mention that we do cabling (not sure if we have any) wouldn't mention
> "unlicensed".. and not because we're trying to avoid statutory
> requirements.
>
Hi Nick!
I certainly ceed the benefit of the doubt. I have run across lots of computer
networking company's who didn't know. Unfortunately, most when told act like
they don't care, and they never check. Given the reactionary nature of the
Registrar in the past it was unlikely they would ever be approached about it
either even though contracting without a license is a criminal misdemeanor. A
couple years ago Governor Rose Mofford promised a more proactive approach to
this and in light of recent strengthing of the related statutes it appears she
was making good on her promise.
The legislation does not appear to be aimed at shutting down unlicensed
operations, but rather at making sure they properly inform consumers, and obey
the related laws and statutes, and understand that they must abide by building,
fire, safety codes, and job size limits.
Several computer networking companies have gone on to get contractor's licenses,
and some have opted to create a relationship with a contractor that does not
provide networking services. Both give a much better proffessional appearance,
and will help to open doors to larger commercial and institutional jobs.
We, for instance, do not provide networking services. We just run cable,
install patch/rack hardware, and terminate. We also test all of our cable runs
for data throughput when completed. Now, we do provide other services, but in
general they do not compete with the networking companies. We currently do
cabling for several.
It may sound like I am making a sales pitch at this point, but I really am not
since I have seen few Yuma regulars frequenting this group, and we are not large
enough at this point to do a lot of work outside of our general area. Not
ruling it out in the future, but not pushing for out of area growth right now.
I hope this is informative for you. If you are considering getting licensed it
just takes money and work history. There is a company called Contractor's Exam
Center that can be very helpful in making sure you are prepared for your exams.
Nick Coons
> I hope this is informative for you. If you are considering getting licensed it
> just takes money and work history. There is a company called Contractor's Exam
> Center that can be very helpful in making sure you are prepared for your exams.
Yes, very informative. Our company has the work history. How much
money does it take, and do you know if this mentioned company has a
website?
Bob La Londe
> Hi Bob!
>
> > I hope this is informative for you. If you are considering getting licensed
it
> > just takes money and work history. There is a company called Contractor's
Exam
> > Center that can be very helpful in making sure you are prepared for your
exams.
>
> Yes, very informative. Our company has the work history. How much
> money does it take, and do you know if this mentioned company has a
> website?
>
Here Nick,
Try this one:
http://www.contractorsexam.com/
Just need an L-67 for commercial. License fees are a couple hundred bucks for a
two year license. I think there is an application fee also. Its been a long
time since I got my licenses.
You need your state priveledge transaction tax license.
You should already have that.
Then you will need to have your unemployment and workman's comp in order.
Then to post your bond(s). Its from a couple to several thousand dollars based
on your sales volume from contracting per license, but you can get Contractor's
Exam Center or any of a number of other companies to post your bond for about
$100 for three years for the lowest listed sales volume. I used that for my
sales tax bond when I first started out also.
For residential license C-12 you would also have to make a contribution to the
"contractor recovery fund" every time your license renews. I never understood
exactly why that is required, but it is supposed to be used in some fashion for
residential consumers that got burned by licensed contractors. It just seems
like another instnace of were us good contractors have to pay for the mistakes
of the bad contractors.
For more specific information on contracting you can visit here:
http://www.rc.state.az.us/
That is the Registrar of Contractors site.
Ñeotek
I am planning on relocating to Tuscon in the near future, is there a
place online that publishes this type of information for new
businesses? $60/drop? wow, this guy is going to hate me. :)
-Ńeotek
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> Hey Bob...
>
> I am planning on relocating to Tuscon in the near future, is there a
> place online that publishes this type of information for new
> businesses? $60/drop? wow, this guy is going to hate me. :)
>
>
>
Sorry, which info? The Arizona Registrar of Contractors website is
http://www.rc.state.az.us/
For quality work with an in wall flush jack and a patch panel $60 per drop is
pretty reasonable. We charge more than that on the average with a discount for
dual drops to a single hole and add on for long cable runs, plenums, conduit
runs, etc. Depends on how you run your wire and terminate and how you mount
your wire. Its pretty difficult to maintain 100mhz if you mount wire with
staples for instance. (Almost impossible) If you have to use substantial
amounts of wire mold then materials will eat you up even at that price, and it
takes time to tie up wires even above a suspended ceiling. While building codes
are more lenient than current network wiring standards if you intend to
guarantee your work bicsi standards are a pretty good idea to follow.
Now add in your overhead.
I'm not saying you can't do it cheaper. You just may not be very happy with
your take home pay for your time if you do quality work using good modular
equipment.
Best of luck.
Martin Hotze
"Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am not against unlicensed contractors. I was one once. I am against
> anybody
> trying to avoid the statutory requirements to get an edge over those who
> follow
> the legal requirements.
for me as a foreigner:
would you please explain to me: are ther courses or something like that
to get licensed? Or is this a training on the job? In general - for the
IT branche (telco, wiring, ...) - how do you get licensed?
martin
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Timothy E. Tackman
I don't use contractors, licensed or unlicensed, to do anything for me.
I've been in the computer industry for over 20 years, and do all my own
work.
I was just making a comment about your post, and your compliance with state
laws, and how you feel everyone should be licensed.
You take umbrage to unlicensed contractors, yet... when you were unlicensed,
you had no problem. Interesting... Double standard? It's ok because I'm
doing it, it's not ok because I don't do it.
whatever....
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Nick Coons
> No ... You guessed wrong.
> I don't use contractors, licensed or unlicensed, to do anything for me.
> I've been in the computer industry for over 20 years, and do all my own
> work.
> I was just making a comment about your post, and your compliance with state
> laws, and how you feel everyone should be licensed.
> You take umbrage to unlicensed contractors, yet... when you were unlicensed,
> you had no problem. Interesting... Double standard? It's ok because I'm
> doing it, it's not ok because I don't do it.
> whatever....
Exactly how many feet can you fit into your mouth? :-).
To clarify, Bob said that, as per state law, a licensed contractor must
mention their license number in advertising, and an unlicensed
contractor must mention that they are unlicensed in their advertising.
Here is a quote from one of his earlier messages: "I really have no
issue with using unlicensed contractors, but I believe that they should
have to obey the statutes of the state and maintain solid building
and fire code issues. Currently state statutes say that an unlicensed
contractor has to state that they are unlicensed in their advertising."
From that statement (and the rest of his message), one can deduce that
Bob does not have a problem with unlicensed contractors. But rather,
Bob has a problem with unlicensed contractors not following state
statutes.. for instance, not mentioning in their advertisements that
they are unlicensed.
--
Bob La Londe
I lost track of this thread earlier. Anyway, Nick is correct. I have no issue
against anybody who is qualified to do a job being able to do it. I do believe
that everybody should play on the same field. I took the time and spent the
money to get my contractors licenses. I am required to put my licenses on my
advertising. Atleast for contracting related advertising. In fact I am proud
of having taken the time and effort to become a licensed contractor. I admit a
little bit of irritation when somebody does not follow the state statutes, but
no I have nothing against you or anybody else doing work that is classified as
contracting as long as they obey the same statutes I have to.
Thanks for the clarification Nick.
Dich
It's the difference between having an insurance company reimbursing for
anything a contractor may unintenionally damage will be replaced. insurance
companies do not reimburse in most cases where a contractor does work,
causes a problem and damage.
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Dich
pointed out wether you have a license or not to customers it shows the
customer how much you care about there business. it says that if something
does go wrong yoour licensed to protect their investment if anything goes
wrong and an insurance company has to reimburse or if there is a fire
inspection and a part of the code is viloated it means the difference
between a write up or a close down until a licensed contractor can redo
work. I've seen the Fire marshall close down one business because the people
hired unlicensed contractors and until the marshall saw a contractors
license on wok sheets he didn't allow them to open the business. cost more
money to backtrack then it did to do it right.
Now don't get me wrong there are people who can do the work in some cases
better than those with licenses. But there are those who THINK they can do
the same work and are nowhere near knowing anything more than basics of the
profession ( I've had that run in with my father in law and brother in law
they think they know computers and neither one knows anything actually but
they slap puters together and sell them without regards as to how long they
will work lot of their customers wind up spending even more money to repair
the problems)
So basically those who don't know what they are doing give problems to those
who do know. Licenses so far are the best way to make sure that your
investment is secure.
sorry for rambling
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Timothy E. Tackman
Go back to school.
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Bob La Londe
needed in many cases, but my own arguement in this circumstance is that an
unlicensed contractor should be bound by the same codes, laws, and regulations
as a licensed contractor. In many cases the unlicensed contractor does not seem
to be. In addition because they are not bound by state mandated warrantee
requirements and do not undergoe the additional expense (interpretated as
competive advantage) of posting contractor bonds and licensing fees they are
misleading consumers. Often it is through an innocent lack of knowledge.
However, the law does allow for unlicensed contractors. It simpley says that
they must say they are unlicensed. This, in my opinion provides for a more
level playing field. It balances the reduced expense of operating without a
license.
In the long run service quality and timely service planning makes a much bigger
difference in the success of a contractor licensed or otherwise. As I mentioned
in previous post I did quite well as an unlicensed contractor who did obey the
law and tell all his custoemrs at the time he was unlicensed. I did so by
providing quality work. Our hourly rates now as a licensed contractor are much
higher than many unlicensed contractors and even much higher than many of our
direct competitors with similar qualifications and licensing. We are not
lacking for work becuase we have a good reputation for quick quality work.
I believe that while we may not agree with the law in Arizona we must do
business within it. If we operate unlicensed as the original poster appears to
be doing (no confirmation or denial) we must obey the laws of the state
regarding unlicensed contractors.
By the way, for any who may be interested. Contracting without a license in
Arizona (except for a few specialty fields) is perfectly legal for small jobs.
However, almost all of the violations in contracting including failing to list
your license status on advertising and contracts is a criminal offense.
--
Bob La Londe
The Security Consultant
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(520)782-9765 ofc
(520)782-7873 fax
ROC 103044, C-12
ROC 103047, L-67
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Dale
inspector, not finding anything wrong with my home on initial inspection,
told me I had to change a doorknob, and lock assy. (NOT covered in codes).
After using a contractor, as required, I ended up having to pay $170.00 to
do this! Something I, or any other homeowner, would have done for $30.00
Since The rules required a licensed contractor, and given the nature of the
repair, I can ONLY assume the requirement was based on money. In this
instance, I feel the licensed contractor had a license to steal.
My opinion.......DALE
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Bob La Londe
Dale <bassm...@home.com> wrote in message
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> I once owned and operated some Adult Care homes in the area. An
> inspector, not finding anything wrong with my home on initial inspection,
> told me I had to change a doorknob, and lock assy. (NOT covered in codes).
> After using a contractor, as required, I ended up having to pay $170.00 to
> do this! Something I, or any other homeowner, would have done for $30.00
> Since The rules required a licensed contractor, and given the nature of the
> repair, I can ONLY assume the requirement was based on money. In this
> instance, I feel the licensed contractor had a license to steal.
> My opinion.......DALE
>
Dale,
I have done work in many adult care facilities since all of those that have
more than five (5) residents are required to have class A fire alarm systems. I
can commisserate with you.
However $170 to have a $30 dollar lock does not seem to be all that far out
when you think aboiut what it costs. The are entitled to make a profit.
Believe it or not that is a small part of the price. The truck the guy drove
to your facility cost money, and has to be paid for over time. He has to have
insurance on that vehicle as well. The contractor has to pay the employee for
the labor. He also has to pay for the time it takes to get to your facility.
So, while he may only have to spend fifteen minutes changing out your lock he
may have to spend a considerable amount of time traveling to and from your site.
There are no responsible employees to be had these days for minimum wage so
forget that as a figure. More than likely the guy who changed out your lock was
being paid several times minimum wage.
While the amount you mentioned might be a little high by today's standards,
it is not overly so. The problem is that you were required to hire a contractor
for such a task. Unless it is a special requirement of the adult care
licensing, you should have had no problems with changing out the handle set
yourself.
Dale
It was the inspectors way of showing that she found "something wrong"
In other words, rather than admit I did a great job in setting up the home,
She wanted to show she was a better inspector. BULLSHIT
I understand the cost of doing business in Az. Thats why I am not
doing it anymore.
I am currently seeking employment in az. I will work here for less
than I paid in taxes as a Nuclear Instrument contractor. Much less
I do find it interesting that the wrenchman at Manny Moe, and Jacks
charges $65/hr and, I go to him!
Anyone want a high tech guy for $10/hr? Costs of surviving these
days has priced out the normal folks. So far, I hustle digital photo
prints of local musicians, and play some bass (BLUES). I find
this a natural thing as I constantly overpay my dues living
here in Phoenix ( a right to work state ) Will continue to look
for a decent job that allows me to go home every night
NOT SMELLING LIKE FRENCH FRIES!
PS wanna buy a home with over $8000 woth of sprinklers? LOL
DALE "BASSMAN".
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Bob La Londe
$10/hr if they can get the work done quickly with few or no mistakes.
Heck, 7.50 to 10.00 is what I pay helpers.
No I'm not getting rich doing business in Az, but I haven't quit yet either.
Dale <bassm...@home.com> wrote in message
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Dich
Nick Coons
> The licensing does seem to give those with the license the ability to
> charge more for their "extra" hidden costs (truck,auto insurance pack
> of pens, stationary whatever the hell they want to charge the client
> for so they don't have to pay it themselves) over 100 dollars for a 30
> dollar doorknob? Very expensive. People without licenses charge less
> and take care of their own expenses.
Heh.. I found the last statement interesting. And these people without
licenses.. if they don't pass the expenses on to their customers, what
"magical" money do they use to cover them?
Let's create a scenario here. We have a sole proprietor who runs a
doorknob replacement business.. here are his business-related expenses:
$150/month auto insurance
$200/month gas
$100/month phones
$500/month advertising
$50/month office suppplies
$100/month business services (accounting, legal, etc)
$50/month credit/merchant fees (if he wants to accept credit cards)
And he operates out of his place of residence so that rent and
electricity are not issues.
He replaces two doorknobs/day, at $55/each (your suggested price).
Let's say he buys them for $25 (and sells them for the suggested $30).
This yields a net of $650/month.. which is not much to survive on (and
the $500/month advertising figure is low-balling reality).
Licensed or not, he's not going to be in business very long. So what
does he do? He raises prices so that way income will be sufficient to
survive, and possibly expand.
Out of everyone who needs doorknobs who may consider using such a
service will fall into one of three categories:
1) They don't know how to replace a doorknob, so they use his services.
2) Their time is more valuable (monetarily or not) than paying someone
to do the job, so they use his service.
3) They have the time and means to perform the task themselves, so they
don't use his service.
Most people arguing that $100 to come onsite to have a doorknob
replaced is too high probably fall into category #3, and shouldn't have
sought such services in the first place. Someone who makes $100/hour
(doctor, attorney, etc) would actually net more money by paying someone
else $60/hour to perform the task than to spend their own time on it.
As you can see.. none of this has absolutely anything to do with being
licensed. If someone charges a small amount to perform services, then
they are either 1) new, and will soon realize they can't make any money
charging such rates, or 2) about to go out of business. If you have
access to such people, great! Utilize their services while you can,
before they wise up, or are gone :-).