"The Secret Life of Barack Obama"
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story of his early years in a Muslim school just won't die:
"...Was Sen. Barack Obama a Muslim? Did he ever practice Islam?
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
The presidential candidate officially rejects the claims, but the
issue of Obama's personal faith has re-emerged amid conflicting
accounts of his enrollment as a Muslim during elementary school in
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.
Widely distributed reports have noted in January 1968, Obama was
registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi
Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an
Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L
Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian
Army.
Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students,
but exempt them from studying religion. Obama's school documents,
though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.
After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled - also
as a Muslim, according to documents - in the Besuki Primary School, a
public school in Jakarta.
The Loatze blog run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who
visited the Besuki school, noted, "All Indonesian students are
required to study religion at school and a young 'Barry Soetoro' being
a Muslim would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He
would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers
properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of
Islam."
Indeed, the Israel Insider online magazine points out in Obama's
autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledges studying the
Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces
during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.
The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's
childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim .
Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was
principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she
recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.
"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher but he is still in my memory"
claimed Tine, who is 80 years old. The Kaltim Post says Obama's
teacher, named Hendri, died.
"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine
said, according to an English translation by Loatze.
Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic
punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not
known as a secular study.
Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post caught
up with Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who describe Obama
as "previously quite religious in Islam."
"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house.
If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual
occasions) he looked funny," Amir said.
The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin
Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood
friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque,
something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.
"We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by
older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends
and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi.
Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been
a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never
prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a
Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of
Christ."
But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a slightly different
statement to the Times stating Obama "has never been a practicing
Muslim."
An article last month by the Chicago Tribune seems to dispute Adi's
statements to the L.A. Times. The Tribune catches up with Obama's
declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing
Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the
neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama
But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.
"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he
was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article.
It quotes the presidential candidate's former neighbors and 3rd grade
teacher recalling Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the
mosque for Friday prayers."
Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune
article - cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim -
actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice
confirms Obama attended mosque services.
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described
the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at
sunset."
The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class
[Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.
Israel Insider's Reuven Koret notes the first few lines state:
"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "
Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the
family. His father, described in some reports as an atheist,
polygamist and alcoholic, was buried in Kenya as a Muslim. Obama Sr.,
also named Barack Obama, had three sons with another woman who
reportedly all are Muslim.
Obama's brother Roy is described as a practicing Muslim.
Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the
presidential candidate stated: "The person who made me proudest of all
was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years
ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to
Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."
Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly
has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a
Muslim.
"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been
sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and
lead the pledge of allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate
when I'm presiding," he told the UK's Times Online earlier this year.
Blue Mule
> Well, well, well. Here we go again. Unfortunately for Obama, the
> story of his early years in a Muslim school just won't die:
And neither will your research - kudos!
Lobby Dosser
> "Obama never
> prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a
> Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of
> Christ."
>
And now we all know how much That is worth!
Captain Conservative Ph.d
They of course will lie about it and follow Obama like lemmings.
Curt
Obama's not a Muslim. That's just reality. Feel free to pretend
otherwise, but it's not going to stick.
Curt
Blue Mule
> You're stretching.. reaching..
>
> Obama's not a Muslim.
Not recently, so?
--
http://samsyard-unclesam.blogspot.com/
Curt
> Curt wrote:
> > You're stretching.. reaching..
>
> > Obama's not a Muslim.
>
> Not recently, so?
So why do all the weenie pundits keep desperately trying to make
people think he is? (It's not working, BTW. You can google polls and
see.)
Curt
Major Dundee
> On Apr 7, 8:57 am, Blue Mule <c...@sat.23> wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>>> You're stretching.. reaching..
>>> Obama's not a Muslim.
>> Not recently, so?
>
> So why do all the weenie pundits keep desperately trying to make
> people think he is?
They don't, it's much more salient that he attended a race-hate church
for 20 years...but then given his prior religious experiences, unamazing...
Captain Conservative Ph.d
He couldn't be convicted of being a Christian if the Muslims came for
him, and he could sure put up a good argument that he is a Muslim.
He believes the same hate bull shit as Calypso Louie Farrakhan, his buddy.
You leftists and Marxists want to believe you have found your savior in
Obama, and you are going to end up Zimbavwed.
Captain Conservative Ph.d
Curt, it is simply that most people hate Hillary. Obama is is also a
stain on America.
Captain Conservative Ph.d
and more likely to believe everything they hear from liberals. Once the
laziest of Americans found that they could vote themselves welfare and
income, they started voting liberal Democrat. Give a scumbag a hammer
and he'll start treating the country like a nail.
Major Dundee
Corky K
>Well, well, well. Here we go again. Unfortunately for Obama, the
>story of his early years in a Muslim school just won't die:
Certainly not at World Nut Daily it won't.
<Righturd spin snippaged>
--
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Curt
wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > You're stretching.. reaching..
>
> > Obama's not a Muslim. That's just reality. Feel free to pretend
> > otherwise, but it's not going to stick.
>
> > Curt
>
> He couldn't be convicted of being a Christian if the Muslims came for
> him, and he could sure put up a good argument that he is a Muslim.
If that happened, they'd kill him for apostasy if they believed he'd
ever been a Muslim.
Which they likely wouldn't -- being as Muslims probably don't get
their misinformation from FOX like you do.
> He believes the same hate bull shit as Calypso Louie Farrakhan, his buddy.
That's just silly.
> You leftists and Marxists want to believe you have found your savior in
> Obama, and you are going to end up Zimbavwed.
Unlike you, I know Marxists. They're not voting for Obama.
"Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
Curt
gatt
>> He couldn't be convicted of being a Christian if the Muslims came for
>> him, and he could sure put up a good argument that he is a Muslim.
Hang on just a goddamned minute.
First they're telling us he's a Muslim, then they're telling us he spent
the last 20 years listening to some racist at a Christian church.
Now he's a Muslim again?
Could you knuckleheads make up your mind as to which line of bullshit
you want America to believe? At the rate you all change your story,
you're starting to sound like the freakin' Clintons or an Idaho Senator.
-c
lein
Welcome to the world of Democrats. Just listen to Hillary or Obama
give a speech. Depending on which part of the county, they'll turn
on their accent and use words like "havin" instead of "having". You
would think Ivy League educated lawyers would have better respect for
their audience.
Captain Conservative Ph.d
>
> Unlike you, I know Marxists. They're not voting for Obama.
>
aggregator
mumbled:
>Unlike you, I know Marxists.
Oh my...the truth ooozes out....
aggregator
mumbled:
>
>>> He couldn't be convicted of being a Christian if the Muslims came for
>>> him, and he could sure put up a good argument that he is a Muslim.
>
>
>Hang on just a goddamned minute.
>
>First they're telling us he's a Muslim, then they're telling us he spent
>the last 20 years listening to some racist at a Christian church.
>
>Now he's a Muslim again?
Is he?
His chronological faith meandering is clear, when did he cross back
over to the darker side?
Cite?
Curt
wrote:
> > Unlike you, I know Marxists. They're not voting for Obama.
>
> Lucky you. Lucky Hillary.
They're not voting for Hillary either.
Stupid.
Curt
Curt
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
> mumbled:
>
> >Unlike you, I know Marxists.
>
> Oh my...the truth ooozes out....
Hey, it's no surprise to anyone that I'm better connected here than
you (or any teenage dork that would use "captain conservative" as a
nym) would be.
Any idea what "Zimbabwed" is supposed to mean?
I didn't think so.
Curt
aggregator
mumbled:
>Stupid.
>
>Curt
Or vice versa...
aggregator
mumbled:
>On Apr 8, 9:26 pm, aggregator <c...@pil.ed> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
>> mumbled:
>>
>> >Unlike you, I know Marxists.
>>
>> Oh my...the truth ooozes out....
>
>Hey, it's no surprise to anyone that I'm better connected here
You scumsucking traitorous America-hater!
Yer Pal Al
>
> "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
Of course, AIDS is epidemic but that is because of the "White Man"
according to Hussein Obama's spiritual advisor.
Yer Pal Al
> >> him, and he could sure put up a good argument that he is a Muslim.
>
> Hang on just a goddamned minute.
>
> First they're telling us he's a Muslim, then they're telling us he spent
> the last 20 years listening to some racist at a Christian church.
This doesn't mean he's a Christian. I'd assume he is not because that
church preaches hate.
Yer Pal Al
I know Communists and they ALWAYS vote Democrat.
dgs
> I'm a scumsucking traitorous America-hater!
Squat and pee for the people, spammie no-life!
Curt
> On Apr 8, 12:11 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
>
> It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
> undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
> 50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
Weird. What would give you the idea that Obama's a racist? Be specific
please.
Curt
Doc Riedenschneider
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 10, 12:05 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
His pastor of 20 years and chosen place of worship:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-gave-22500-to-racist-church-in.html
Obama's Gave $22,500 to Racist Church in 2006
There are mosques that preach Radical Islam.
There are churches that preach Radical Christianity.
Unfortunately, the leading Democratic nominee for president attends
such a church.
Unfortunately, its really not a surprise.
Here is a collection of hate speech coming from the pulpit at Barack
and Michelle Obama's church Trinity United Church of Christ by
Barack's close friend and mentor of 20 years, the Reverend Jeremiah
Wright.
THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT HATE SPEECH COLLECTION:
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a
three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No,
no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent
people... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than
human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and
she is supreme."
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than
the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an
eye."
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black
South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have
done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.
America’s chickens are coming home to roost."
As noted earlier, Jeremiah Wright is no casual aquaintance of the
Obama's.
Jeremiah Wright helps keep Obama's "priorities straight and his moral
compass calibrated."
Sweetness and Light and The Chicago Tribune reported last year:
Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps
keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.
“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political
advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to
make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as
possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla
and stress that’s involved in national politics.” …
In his 1993 memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Obama recounts in vivid
detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the
community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off
other black clergy because of the church’s radical reputation.
When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at
home at Trinity...
Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National
Convention on a Wright sermon called “Audacity to Hope,” –also the
inspiration for Obama’s second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”
Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the
senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political
moves.
Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of
running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics
change him, but he also encouraged Obama, win or lose...
On the attacks on 9-11, the good reverend said it was a wakeup call
for whites.
Here are a few lines from the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's newsletter,
linked at Sweetness and Light:
When it comes to Israel and divesting from banks and businesses that
are heavily invested in Israel, until the Palestinian problem has been
resolved amicably for both sides, you can throw that out of your mind!
Nobody is trying to hear what we are saying in terms of divestment
from Israel.
In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01.
White America and the Western world came to realize that people of
color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just “disappeared”
as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black
concerns.
One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets
drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and “gives it
up” while in a foreign country and that stays in the news
for months! Maybe I am missing something!
Sweetness and Light links to another earlier racist sermon, "God Has
Got To Be Sick Of This Sh*t!"
The Obama's donated $22,500 to this filthy church in 2006:
Money talks.
No wonder Michelle believes her country is downright mean.
Curt
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>
> >On Apr 10, 12:05 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 8, 12:11 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
>
> >> It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
> >> undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
> >> 50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
>
> >Weird. What would give you the idea that Obama's a racist? Be specific
> >please.
>
> His pastor of 20 years and chosen place of worship:
That's not very specific. Accurate, either.
Curt
Doc Riedenschneider
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 14, 1:12 pm, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
It is quite specific and quite accurate, which is why you had to snip
the facts, you poor little beaten-down dummy:
Curt
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 14, 1:12 pm, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Curt
> >> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
> >> >On Apr 10, 12:05 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Apr 8, 12:11 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
>
> >> >> It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
> >> >> undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
> >> >> 50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
>
> >> >Weird. What would give you the idea that Obama's a racist? Be specific
> >> >please.
>
> >> His pastor of 20 years and chosen place of worship:
>
> >That's not very specific. Accurate, either.
>
> It is quite specific and quite accurate, which is why you had to snip
> the facts, you poor little beaten-down dummy:
Nonsense. Find an Obama quote, or action, that's even remotely
racist.
You can't.
That's why you weenies desperately need to keep flogging his old
pastor around -- because the old pastor is the kind of guy that makes
Whitey nervous. And your sort lives your life in a state of nervous
fear. You're afraid of Iraqis, Nuqulure Robot Anthrax Planes,
Iranians, Mexicans, and of course -- most of all -- Black Guys.
And you're plenty nervous. Obama will walk all over McCain in any
debate. (Although, to be fair, so would Hillary -- I just don't think
she'll get the nomination.) Obama will stomp McCain in any election.
Sorry.
Curt
Doc Riedenschneider
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 15, 9:10 am, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 14, 1:12 pm, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>> >> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>> >> >On Apr 10, 12:05 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Apr 8, 12:11 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
>>
>> >> >> It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
>> >> >> undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
>> >> >> 50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
>>
>> >> >Weird. What would give you the idea that Obama's a racist? Be specific
>> >> >please.
>>
>> >> His pastor of 20 years and chosen place of worship:
>>
>> >That's not very specific. Accurate, either.
>>
>> It is quite specific and quite accurate, which is why you had to snip
>> the facts, you poor little beaten-down dummy:
>
>Nonsense. Find an Obama quote, or action, that's even remotely
>racist.
>
>You can't.
Wow - that's such a tragic mistake you made:
He said what?
Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
the wrong impression.
During an interview on a Philadelphia radio station, Obama was asked
about his candid remarks about his white maternal grandmother during
an address on race relations Tuesday. In that speech, he said his
grandmother confessed "her fear of black men who passed her by on the
street."
But then you're used to making mistakes, aren't ya dummy?
Doc Riedenschneider
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>Obama will walk all over McCain in any
>debate.
Same guy who says things like this:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of
small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years
and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton
Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive
administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna
regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get
bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who
aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment
as a way to explain their frustrations. "
Gee...I think McCain is going to have him for lunch, that is what's
left of him after Hannity is done...
Curt
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 15, 9:10 am, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Curt
> >> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
> >> >On Apr 14, 1:12 pm, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Curt
> >> >> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
> >> >> >On Apr 10, 12:05 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Apr 8, 12:11 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > "Zimbavwed" ? WTF..?
>
> >> >> >> It's when a racist like Obama or Mugabe "redistribute" wealth to
> >> >> >> undeserving and incompetent supporters. As of April 4th of this year
> >> >> >> 50M Zimbabwe dollars is equal to $1.40 US.
>
> >> >> >Weird. What would give you the idea that Obama's a racist? Be specific
> >> >> >please.
>
> >> >> His pastor of 20 years and chosen place of worship:
>
> >> >That's not very specific. Accurate, either.
>
> >> It is quite specific and quite accurate, which is why you had to snip
> >> the facts, you poor little beaten-down dummy:
>
> >Nonsense. Find an Obama quote, or action, that's even remotely
> >racist.
>
> >You can't.
>
> Wow - that's such a tragic mistake you made:
Har. And then you provide a cite that doesn't back up what you say.
Typical.
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_barack...
>
> He said what?
>
> Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
> his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
> backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
> the wrong impression.
He said exactly what he meant to say, and he was dead spot on, and
only the Deliberately Obtuse mistook what he said for anything other
than what it was.
>
> During an interview on a Philadelphia radio station, Obama was asked
> about his candid remarks about his white maternal grandmother during
> an address on race relations Tuesday. In that speech, he said his
> grandmother confessed "her fear of black men who passed her by on the
> street."
>
> But then you're used to making mistakes, aren't ya dummy?-
I didn't, and you're boring.
Curt
Doc Riedenschneider
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 15, 11:33 am, Doc Riedenschneider <a...@phalt.jungle> wrote:
Curt, you idiot!
It precisely made my point!
>>
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_barack...
>>
>> He said what?
>>
>> Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
>> his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
>> backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
>> the wrong impression.
>
>He said exactly what he meant to say, and he was
A racist - one who stereotypes ethnicities, period.
Are you a "typical white person"?
Do you know any?
>> During an interview on a Philadelphia radio station, Obama was asked
>> about his candid remarks about his white maternal grandmother during
>> an address on race relations Tuesday. In that speech, he said his
>> grandmother confessed "her fear of black men who passed her by on the
>> street."
>>
>> But then you're used to making mistakes, aren't ya dummy?-
>
>I didn't, and you're boring.
>
>Curt
You LOST another debate dummy, just flamed out in round one!
Jerry Okamura
"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d366719-7e50-4737...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
If that is true, then why has he spent the last couple of days trying to
explain what he said?
Doc Riedenschneider
<okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> mumbled:
Because he "regrets" that other people actually understood what he
meant....
dgs
> I LOST another debate because I'm a dummy, I just flamed out in round one!
Yer Pal Al
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Curt
They don't think a person who was KKK Kleagle (recruiter) and an
Exalted Cyclops and uses the word "nigger" is a racist.
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
> > his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
> > backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
> > the wrong impression.
>
> He said exactly what he meant to say, and he was dead spot on, and
> only the Deliberately Obtuse mistook what he said for anything other
> than what it was.
>
> If that is true, then why has he spent the last couple of days trying to
> explain what he said?
Because the Deliberately Obtuse are desperately trying to convince
their base that he didn't say what he said.
Curt
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 15, 4:01 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Dummy, you're spining faster than Obambam is!
Jerry Okamura
in your case, you are saying that there are a large number of your fellow
citizens that are too dumb to know the difference, i.e. you are smarter than
they are, because you know the difference?
Noah Cross
Sancho Panza
So I say Obama is the "typical black person." No racism here, either.
Noah Cross
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8c6540aa-b4e3-436a...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 15, 4:01 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
> >> > his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
> >> > backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
> >> > the wrong impression.
>
> >> He said exactly what he meant to say, and he was dead spot on, and
> >> only the Deliberately Obtuse mistook what he said for anything other
> >> than what it was.
>
> >> If that is true, then why has he spent the last couple of days trying to
> >> explain what he said?
>
> > Because the Deliberately Obtuse are desperately trying to convince
> > their base that he didn't say what he said.
>
> So, your answer is the same basic point that Obama was trying to make, but
> in your case, you are saying that there are a large number of your fellow
> citizens that are too dumb to know the difference, i.e. you are smarter than
> they are, because you know the difference?
Well, what I was talking about was the Deliberately Obtuse -- which it
looks like includes you. You're clearly smart enough to get on the
internets, and type without misspellings, so I know you know what
Obama said and what he meant.
I suppose there must be some people who are dumb enough to believe
what the Deliberately Obtuse tell them -- but I don't know any of
those people.
Curt
Curt
He's not, actually, a "typical black person". By any measure. Most
senators aren't black, most black folks don't make $4 million on book
royalties, most folks that go to Harvard aren't black, etc etc. So,
maybe no racism, but no cigar for accuracy either.
Curt
Curt
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Sancho Panza
You have low humor standards, peanut.
Curt
Yer Pal Al
Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
"typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
person" which makes you typical liberal.
Sancho Panza
And for you, no sense of irony whatsoever.
Jerry Okamura
important, it is what effect it has on those who will vote in the general
election that is importnat. In the democratic primary, democrats are
deciding who will represent them in the Genral election. The decision that
democrats have to make is who do they think has the best chance of beating
McCain in the General election. Anything that is not a positive in the
General election, is by definition a negative. If ANYONE who is running in
the General election has too many negatives, that makes their chances of
winning that much less. Besides early polling data among democrats indicate
that there are even some democrats who are not going to vote for the guy
based on what they have heard him say.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 16, 7:59 pm, Noah Cross <c...@na.town> wrote:
You have high racism tolerance, asswipe.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 16, 6:09 pm, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
But he's able to define a "typical white person"...so how's that work
anyway?
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 16, 4:09 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8c6540aa-b4e3-436a...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Apr 15, 4:01 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> > Barack Obama suggested Thursday the "typical white person" - much like
>> >> > his grandma - fears black men on the street, prompting a quick
>> >> > backpedal from his aides, who conceded the senator's words may give
>> >> > the wrong impression.
>>
>> >> He said exactly what he meant to say, and he was dead spot on, and
>> >> only the Deliberately Obtuse mistook what he said for anything other
>> >> than what it was.
>>
>> >> If that is true, then why has he spent the last couple of days trying to
>> >> explain what he said?
>>
>> > Because the Deliberately Obtuse are desperately trying to convince
>> > their base that he didn't say what he said.
>>
>> So, your answer is the same basic point that Obama was trying to make, but
>> in your case, you are saying that there are a large number of your fellow
>> citizens that are too dumb to know the difference, i.e. you are smarter than
>> they are, because you know the difference?
>
>Well, what I was talking about was the Deliberately Obtuse -- which it
>looks like includes you.
Curt, SHUT UP!
You were LYING again and you got caught again...deal with it.
Curt
Neither did Obama.
>
> Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> person" which makes you typical liberal.
I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
Curt
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You don't know what "irony" means, do you?
Curt
Curt
Sure. And there are Rs who won't vote for McCain, too. For whatever
goofball reason.
May I suggest that the Actual Point is that the vast majority of
likely voters are not bothered by "typical white person" or "bitter
Pennsylvania gun owners" or goofy stuff Obama's old pastor said. The
only people making a kerfuffle about these cherry-picked and
insignificant quotes are neocon talk show hosts. The vast majority of
likely voters are ignoring them. As is proper.
Anyway, by the time the general race happens, any and all possible
dirt on Obama and Clinton will be old, boring news. And McCain will be
under the spotlight -- closer to the election. If I were a Weenie
Commentator, I might hold my fire for the general race. Just sayin'.
Curt
Yer Pal Al
I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
> > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
of race in our society."
Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
you've been bred to behave that way.
Jimmy the Greek said:
"The black is a better athlete to begin with because
he's been bred to be that way."
And he was never heard of again. Obama should find the same ash bin.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>> Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
>> folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
>Neither did Obama.
Damn dummy, your lies are just endless, aren't they?
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
As readers here know, there has been some recent controversy about
Barack Obama�s religious background.
Mr. Obama has recently issued statements through his spokesmen in the
media (i.e., reporters) which express his shock at being questioned
about such things.
Most of his media spokesmen (i.e., reporters) have then gone on to
cite his membership in Chicago�s Trinity United Church Of Christ
parish as proof that he is just a regular run of the mill American
Christian.
But a visit to the Trinity Church�s website proves that it is not your
everyday Christian parish:
Trinity United Church of Christ
About Us
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian� Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written
by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in
1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal
statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in
homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered.
They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills
available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for
Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace
the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN
PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
Some excerpts from the "Black Value System" via the Trinity Church�s
website (pdf):
BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
Statement of Purpose
We honor Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, because of the
exemplary manner in which he has thrice withstood the ravage of being
denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago
School System�
The Black Value System
These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:
Commitment of God
�The God of our weary years� will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind�
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be
a community of self-disciplined persons, if we are to actualize and
utilize our own human resources instead of perpetually submitting to
exploitation by others. Self discipline coupled with a respect for
self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress,
and a model for Black Youth.
Disavowal of the Pursuit of �Middleclassness�
Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must
keep the captive ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well
to serve the system. Also, the captors must be able to identify the
�talented tenth� of those subjugated, especially those who show
promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the
captor�s control.
Those so identified as separated from the rest of the people by:
Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that
encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic
environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which while training
them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are
better than others and teaches them to think in terms of �we� and
�they� instead of �us��
A visit to the church�s bookstore shows they have been true to their
word. It is full of "Afrocentric" books, many of which make the usual
preposterous Afrocentric claims, such as that Cleopatra was black:
The book store also shamelessly hawks Mr. Osama�s books:
But Trinity Church�s proselytizing doesn�t stop with re-writing
history and promoting its parishioners.
Here is the latest sermon from its pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright,
Jr. (pdf file):
WHAT�S GOIN� ON?
Sunday, January 21, 2007
Marvin Gaye�s powerful �message song� is a song that made him famous
because it went against the �Motown entertainment rule.� It raised
serious questions about the culture, the country and governmental
policy.
His song raised questions about Black-on-Black violence, about drugs,
about war and about the way in which we were living (or not living) in
a very difficult period of history.
I use his words today on the third Sunday of a New Year to keep before
you the painful truth of who we are and where it is we are in this
racist United States of America! What�s goin� on?
We have lost over 3,000 boys and girls in an illegal and unjust war,
and the media is on a feeding frenzy about Barack Obama�s church.
Where is the outrage about the 3,000 dead American military personnel
and the 600,000 dead Iraqi civilians who are dead for no reason other
than greed and ego? What�s goin� on?
This past Wednesday, January 17th, the House of Representatives
deliberated on a bill to cut interest rates on federally subsidized
student loans. On Thursday, January 18th, the House of Representatives
considered legislation that would repeal some royalties and tax
incentives from the oil and gas industries and redistribute that money
to alternative and renewable energy such as bio-fuels.
The media, however, is not covering that news. The media wants to know
about Barack Obama�s pastor. What�s goin� on?
On the weekend leading up to Dr. Martin Luther King�s birthday, the
House of Representatives passed a bill requiring the United States
Secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate drug prices for
the Medicare program. The President who is �staying the course� and
sending 1,500 more troops to their death has issued a veto threat
against the measure and there is no public outcry and no media
outrage. What�s goin� on?
The President, who is �staying the course� and sending 21,500 more
troops to their death has issued a veto threat against the measure and
there is no public outcry and no media outrage.
The President�s �New Plan� (more troops, more death and more war)
promises an insane escalation � in Iraq, Iran and beyond! With the
torture of Abu Ghraib, the complete destructions of cities like
Fallujah and over 600,000 deaths due to collateral damage, the
President complained in his speech that there had been �too many
restrictions� on the actions of the United States Forces in the Iraq
war.
The President�s �New Plan� (more troops, more death and more war)
promises an insane escalation � in Iraq, Iran and beyond!
Am I the only one who heard that? What�s goin� on?
I celebrate forty years of ordained ministry this weekend. I bask in
the 40-year glow of God�s Grace, God�s forgiveness and God�s lessons
about humility.
The e-mails that I have been getting this week, the news clippings
that I am being sent and the racist blogs that are flooding the
Internet make me know, however, that even as I bask, the work ahead
for the church of Jesus Christ is just as serious and difficult today
(if not more so) as it was forty years ago when I was ordained during
the Vietnamese War!
The President tries to frame the justification for his insanity by
using language describing the debate in this country over the war as
�a great struggle between those who believe in freedom in moderation
and extremists who kill the innocent.�
The reality, however, is that the entire war in Iraq and the larger
�war on terror� have been based on lies, half-truths and distortions
to serve the agenda of the United States imperialism. Where is the
public outcry? Where is the outrage? What�s goin� on?
There is more focus on what the Bears may or may not do as they play a
football game against New Orleans than there is on the 3,000 homeless
who are still living or displaced in the real life game called �New
Orleans.�
Those poor Black and white displaced citizens of New Orleans (not
imported team members playing for New Orleans), who have no place to
go and no place to live because of this administration�s illegal war
and its billions of dollars wasted on prosecuting that war, join with
me in asking, �What�s goin� on?�
Excuse me! The victims of Hurricane Katrina are no longer on the radar
screen of the media. Only Barack, his church, his pastor and white
arrogance!
I invite your sincere prayers this weekend. The generation of
ministers behind me has its work cut out for them in some incredible
and overwhelming ways!
Sincerely yours,
Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
So much for the separation of church and state.
Here is an interesting ad that appears in the sameTrinity bulletin:
Enlarge
Did Mr. Obama and his wife take this class when they signed up at
Trinity?
Speaking of which, here is what is being promoted at the top of the
church�s home page as we speak:
MEET SENATOR BARACK OBAMA!!!
On Sunday, January 28th, immediately following the 11:00 a.m. worship
service, meet Senator Barack Obama, author of the best-selling book,
Audacity of Hope. Purchase your copy of Audacity of Hope in the Akiba
Bookstore and have it personally signed by Senator Obama. You do not
want to miss this monumental experience!
Where is the ACLU?
And can you imagine the uproar if a white candidate belonged to a
church that promoted a white value system?
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 17, 10:03 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
Jerry Okamura
If we have learned nothing from the last two Presidential elections, it is
that this country is pretty evenly divided between the two parties. The
odds are that the next election is not going to be much different. So,
"little" problems that any candidate has, could make the difference. Barack
was not as vulnerable as Hillary was, but that has all changed. Barack now
has a problem with some segment of the population, and that is not a
positive, it is a negative.
>
> Anyway, by the time the general race happens, any and all possible
> dirt on Obama and Clinton will be old, boring news. And McCain will be
> under the spotlight -- closer to the election. If I were a Weenie
> Commentator, I might hold my fire for the general race. Just sayin'.
>
Again, the last election should have taught us one thing. That is the
special interest group ads. Remember the Switft Boat people? Whether you
liked them or not, they were effective. Well, the odds are, there will be
more of that in the next election. The left leaning groups and those who
support democrats are already planning how to attack McCain in the general
election, and there are groups who support republicans doing the same thing,
with whomever the democratic nominee will eventually be. And again, you
are missing the point. Gore and Kerry's vulnerabilitites were also well
known, and in the general election, those vulnerabilities hurt them.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>May I suggest that the Actual Point is that the vast majority of
>likely voters are not bothered by "typical white person" or "bitter
>Pennsylvania gun owners"
May I suggest that reality and YOU have become decoupled, dummy!
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/obama-down-by-2.html
Obama down by 20 in new Pennsylvania poll
A survey of Pennsylvania Democrats that was done in part after the
news broke about Sen. Barack Obama's controversial comment that some
small-town folks are "bitter" and cling to religion and guns in
difficult times, shows him now trailing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in
the Keystone State by 20 percentage points.
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080415/NATION01/495515534/0/FRONTPAGE
Barack Obama's preacher troubles continue to stalk his campaign. Now
it's his own preachin' that's causing him grief.
There he stood, lean, lanky and buff, as if modeling one of his $3,000
bespoke suits in a fashionable Pacific Heights salon in San Francisco,
quoting party scripture and winning a full measure of nods, chuckles
and cheers from what passed as the amen corner. These were his kind of
folks. The rich, as F. Scott Fitzgerald famously said, are very
different from you and me. Then the party's most beautiful person
dropped an aside that the beautiful people of San Francisco could
appreciate:
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania," he said, "and
like a lot of small towns in the Middle West, the jobs have been gone
now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them." Approving nods all
around, with clucks of admiration for the bravery of the man just in
from safari to darkest Timbuktu, or at least Wilkes-Barre. "And it's
not surprising then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion
or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations."
Mr. Obama speaks of religion (if not necessarily guns) with more
respect and reverence at other times and in other places. When he
talks of how the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of all people, led him to faith
in Jesus Christ, we must give his affirmation full weight, for only
God can look into a man's heart. (We must pray that one day soon
someone will lead the blasphemer and teller of malicious tales to
Christ.) But such condescending sneering at the heartfelt faith of
others, those who unapologetically "cling to the old rugged cross" as
their Ebenezer in the storms that inevitably buffet us all, is
strange, indeed, in a man who speaks of his own faith with practiced
passion and eloquence.
The senator is a smart cookie, but he forgot that he's not campaigning
in those easy days of yesteryear, when a pol could say one thing to
flatter the grit of the God-fearing yeomen of Scranton, and say quite
another in San Francisco, where a culture of sophistication and
pretense rests on the twin pillars of sodomy and secularism. What
happens in San Francisco definitely does not stay in San Francisco,
and a careful pol knows better than to scandalize Scranton when taking
the waters in San Francisco. To no one's surprise, a poll out
yesterday shows Hillary Clinton regaining her 20-point lead over
Barack Obama in the crucial Pennsylvania primary, now only a week
away.
The Obama blooper was more about his disdain for religious faith than
scorn for guns and the embittered small-town Americans who own them.
Because the senator knows this well, he spent the weekend trying to
divert attention from his sneer at religious faith by "clarifying" and
"refining" his observation that hard times had made small-town America
"bitter." The senator appears to have spent too much time in the pews
at Trinity United Church, acquiring a jaundiced view of the world
beyond his own. The senator concedes that his words were "poorly
chosen," but a lot of voters, in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, will
conclude that the words he chose describe exactly what the senator
actually thinks. It could be a bitter epitaph for a campaign.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 17, 9:00 am, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
So are you going to lie about this continually?
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
About Us
BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
Statement of Purpose
The Black Value System
Commitment of God
>> Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
>> "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
>> person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
>I didn't miss the point, son.
What's with the 'daddy' act dummy, did you cop that from Shatzie?
Are you a "typical white person"?
Do you know any?
You fucking racist tool.
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 17, 10:03 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
It means attending a church that espouses:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
About Us
BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
Statement of Purpose
The Black Value System
Commitment of God
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And then having to backpedal after the voters find out...
Noah Cross
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>May I suggest that the Actual Point is that the vast majority of
>likely voters are not bothered by "typical white person" or "bitter
>Pennsylvania gun owners" or goofy stuff Obama's old pastor said.
Suggest what you like, but know that the facts say otherwise:
Noah Cross
Curt
> On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> > Neither did Obama.
>
> I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
fixed.
>
> > > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>
> "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
> animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
> sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
> reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
> that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
> of race in our society."
>
> Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
> drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
> you've been bred to behave that way.
That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
That aside, you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
etc... especially older white folks.
Obama admits it, neocons don't -- but it's true nonetheless.
Curt
Curt
> >> > > So I say Obama is the "typical black person." No racism here, either.
>
> >> > He's not, actually, a "typical black person". By any measure. Most
> >> > senators aren't black, most black folks don't make $4 million on book
> >> > royalties, most folks that go to Harvard aren't black, etc etc. So,
> >> > maybe no racism, but no cigar for accuracy either.
>
> >> Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> >> folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> >Neither did Obama.
>
> So are you going to lie about this continually?
>
> http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-an...
>
Boy, you sure do abuse bandwidth. You know you've posted this same
HUGE freaking thing like twenty times this week? Geez.
>
> >> Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> >> "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> >> person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> >I didn't miss the point, son.
>
> What's with the 'daddy' act dummy, did you cop that from Shatzie?
>
> Are you a "typical white person"?
Probably. I'm probably closer to the high end of the bell curve
than .. well .. you, for example.
>
> Do you know any?
Sure.
>
> You fucking racist tool.
That doesn't follow, Spammy.
Curt
Dutch Engstrom
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 17, 4:39 pm, Noah Cross <c...@na.town> wrote:
>
>> >> > > So I say Obama is the "typical black person." No racism here, either.
>>
>> >> > He's not, actually, a "typical black person". By any measure. Most
>> >> > senators aren't black, most black folks don't make $4 million on book
>> >> > royalties, most folks that go to Harvard aren't black, etc etc. So,
>> >> > maybe no racism, but no cigar for accuracy either.
>>
>> >> Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
>> >> folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>>
>> >Neither did Obama.
>>
>> So are you going to lie about this continually?
>>
>> http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-an...
>>
>
>Boy, you sure do abuse bandwidth.
Fuck off and die you lying dummy.
>> >> Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
>> >> "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
>> >> person" which makes you typical liberal.
>>
>> >I didn't miss the point, son.
>>
>> What's with the 'daddy' act dummy, did you cop that from Shatzie?
>>
>> Are you a "typical white person"?
>
>Probably. I'm probably
You ignorant bigoted ASS.
>> Do you know any?
>
>Sure.
Typical racist.
>>
>> You fucking racist tool.
>
>That doesn't follow,
Those who can label by color are racists, period.
Dutch Engstrom
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
>LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
>etc... especially older white folks.
And this is part of the political discussion for what reason?
Oh yeah...Barry attended an African separatist HATE church for 20
years....
Dutch Engstrom
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 17, 3:57 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
>> > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>>
>> > Neither did Obama.
>>
>> I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
>
>No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
>fixed.
>
>>
>> > > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
>> > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
>> > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>>
>> > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
>> > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>>
>> "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
>> animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
>> sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
>> reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
>> that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
>> of race in our society."
>>
>> Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
>> drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
>> you've been bred to behave that way.
>
>That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
Fuck off dummy, HE set the label in play by tossing his own granny
from the train to save Rev. Hate Wright.
>That aside, you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
>LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
>etc... especially older white folks.
>
>Obama admits it, neocons don't -- but it's true nonetheless.
And it is IRRELEVANT to any Presidential race.
Or would have been before we found out he attended a separatist HATE
church for 20 years!
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
news:r8ak04thmi56jjo8d...@4ax.com...
How many blacks went to the crutch you were raised in? Whoopsie, a gringo
seperatist HATE crutch innit....
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
I went to the Methodist crutch for fifteen years or so. I saw no one but
gringos....
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
It's tough for you to face facts, isn't it?
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
Ya, so?
Were they all white separatists preaching hate and saying "GODAMN
AMERICA!"
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
And if you had even a shred of decency you would have said "None". See how
that works?
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
Which is worse, practice or preach?
Yer Pal Al
> On Apr 17, 3:57 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> > > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> > > Neither did Obama.
>
> > I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
>
> No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
> fixed.
This is what he said, "It's not surprising that they get bitter, they
cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them
or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
I know you wish he said something less elitist, but that doesn't
change what he said.
> > > > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> > > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> > > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> > > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> > > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>
> > "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
> > animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
> > sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
> > reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
> > that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
> > of race in our society."
>
> > Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
> > drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
> > you've been bred to behave that way.
>
> That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
That's exactly what he said and the quote is above.
> That aside, you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
> LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
> etc... especially older white folks.
That is a racist reaction and apparently, you've been bred to be a
racist and are now defending it. These folks could say the Blacks are
bred to commit crime - it's no different.
> Obama admits it, neocons don't -- but it's true nonetheless.
If he's admitting it then why did you say, "That's not what he said".
Damn Sam, it's pretty fucking hard defending a racist isn't it? Why do
you bother?
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
>"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
>news:5uek04larc6o8t6ml...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:04:16 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
>>>news:r8ak04thmi56jjo8d...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>>>> <obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>>>
>>>>>you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
>>>>>LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
>>>>>etc... especially older white folks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And this is part of the political discussion for what reason?
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah...Barry attended an African separatist HATE church for 20
>>>> years....
>>>
>>>How many blacks went to the crutch you were raised in?
>>
>> It's tough for you to face facts, isn't it?
>
>And if you had even a shred of decency you would have said "None".
If you had anything other than a racist's interest you'd never have
asked.
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
You have an astounding capacity to rationalize away evil by grading
the results thereof.
Yer Pal Al
wrote:
> "Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
>
> news:r8ak04thmi56jjo8d...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>
> >>you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
> >>LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
> >>etc... especially older white folks.
>
> > And this is part of the political discussion for what reason?
>
> > Oh yeah...Barry attended an African separatist HATE church for 20
> > years....
>
> How many blacks went to the crutch you were raised in? Whoopsie, a gringo
> seperatist HATE crutch innit....
So you'd have no problem voting for a White Hate Dutch as long as he
has a "D" after his name?
Yer Pal Al
wrote:
> "Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
>
> news:ldak045vfgkv3ehts...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT), Curt
Did they have a commitment to the "White work ethic" and "Europe"?
Dutch Engstrom
<Caddys...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 19, 10:04 am, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com>
He'd be goosestepping in his little wooden clogs!
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
Aren't you ashamed of attending racist crutch?
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
And you have a childish habit of avoiding questions that lead to conclusions
that you hate because of your racism.
Seth Hammond
"Yer Pal Al" <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3439115a-ba42-492c...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
----------------------
Excuse me. I'm sentient.
Seth Hammond
------------------------
As well as Manifest Destiny.
Yer Pal Al
wrote:
> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:3439115a-ba42-492c...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
And you have a childish habit of avoiding questions that lead to
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
Plan on deeding your trailer over to Navajos do ya?
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
Aren't you ahsamed at leveling false allegations?
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
One more libelous obfuscation, what a useless old fart you are.
Dutch Engstrom
Seth Hammond
"Dutch Engstrom" <m...@apa.che> wrote in message
I was a Republican when I was young and stupid like you, but I've been a
registered Libertarian for some time now.
torresD
Dutch Engstrom
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> mumbled:
So you have gotten stupider with age...
Curt
> On Apr 19, 8:52 am, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 3:57 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> > > > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> > > > Neither did Obama.
>
> > > I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
>
> > No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
> > fixed.
>
> This is what he said, "It's not surprising that they get bitter, they
> cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them
> or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
>
> I know you wish he said something less elitist, but that doesn't
> change what he said.
Heh.. I read an article today in the local fishwrap opinion page
saying "elitist" is the new way to say "uppity"..
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> > > > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> > > > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> > > > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> > > > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>
> > > "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
> > > animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
> > > sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
> > > reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
> > > that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
> > > of race in our society."
>
> > > Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
> > > drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
> > > you've been bred to behave that way.
>
> > That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
>
> That's exactly what he said and the quote is above.
No it's not. For pete's sake. "The point I was making was not that
Grandmother harbors any racial
animosity. She doesn't." He was making a big, big point and you're
taking a goofy little quote and pretending (or mistakenly believing)
that that little goofy quote was the BIG point.
>
> > That aside, you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
> > LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
> > etc... especially older white folks.
>
> That is a racist reaction and apparently, you've been bred to be a
> racist and are now defending it. These folks could say the Blacks are
> bred to commit crime - it's no different.
I wouldn't presume to defend it, but I know it exists. Obama admitted
it exists. Lots of people deny it. Lots of people also deny that I as
a white guy have a better chance of getting a job or an apartment or a
cab ride than an equally well dressed and qualified black guy -- but
it's the truth nonetheless.
>
> > Obama admits it, neocons don't -- but it's true nonetheless.
>
> If he's admitting it then why did you say, "That's not what he said".
> Damn Sam, it's pretty fucking hard defending a racist isn't it? Why do
> you bother?-
Good lord.
Curt
Curt
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT), Curt
> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> >> > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> >> > Neither did Obama.
>
> >> I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
>
> >No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
> >fixed.
>
> >> > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> >> > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> >> > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> >> > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>
> >> "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
> >> animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
> >> sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
> >> reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
> >> that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
> >> of race in our society."
>
> >> Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
> >> drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
> >> you've been bred to behave that way.
>
> >That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
>
> from the train to save Rev. Hate Wright.
>
> >LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
> >etc... especially older white folks.
>
>
>
> church for 20 years!-
He didn't.
Curt
Dutch Engstrom
<obadia...@gmail.com> mumbled:
>On Apr 19, 9:49 am, Dutch Engstrom <m...@apa.che> wrote:
That is an outright LIE.
He's cooked, and so are YOU!
Yer Pal Al
> On Apr 19, 12:30 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 19, 8:52 am, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 17, 3:57 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 17, 3:37 pm, Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Most blacks don't attend racists churches for 20 years and claim rural
> > > > > > folk are bitter, gun toting, fundamentalist xenophobes.
>
> > > > > Neither did Obama.
>
> > > > I paraphrased because he was talking down to a 3rd grade level.
>
> > > No, you just think he said something he didn't say. That can be
> > > fixed.
>
> > This is what he said, "It's not surprising that they get bitter, they
> > cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them
> > or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
>
> > I know you wish he said something less elitist, but that doesn't
> > change what he said.
>
> Heh.. I read an article today in the local fishwrap opinion page
> saying "elitist" is the new way to say "uppity"..
I get it, some kind or racist rag. For the rest of the world "elitist"
describes John Kerry and the rest of the limousine liberal set as
well. Like when he called the military lazy and uneducated. Likewise
Hussein called rural folk bitter and xenophobic.
> > > > > > Of course you are an idiot and miss the point that calling someone a
> > > > > > "typical white person" is racist like calling someone a "typical black
> > > > > > person" which makes you typical liberal.
>
> > > > > I didn't miss the point, son. It was just a dumb point. It ignored the
> > > > > entire conversation that surrounded the quote. Sheesh.
>
> > > > "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial
> > > > animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she
> > > > sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a
> > > > reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and
> > > > that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature
> > > > of race in our society."
>
> > > > Are you a "typical white person?" Do you lock your car doors when you
> > > > drive through a black neighborhood? Obama thinks you do. He thinks
> > > > you've been bred to behave that way.
>
> > > That's not what he said, and I think you know it.
>
> > That's exactly what he said and the quote is above.
>
> No it's not. For pete's sake. "The point I was making was not that
> Grandmother harbors any racial
> animosity. She doesn't." He was making a big, big point and you're
> taking a goofy little quote and pretending (or mistakenly believing)
> that that little goofy quote was the BIG point.
The point isn't about "racial animocity." The point is about "typical
white person" being "bred" with a reaction.
Those are racists comment consistent with his black separations,
Farrakhan loving, "goddamn America" church. Saying his grandmother
isn't a racist doesn't change the racist nature of what he applied a
stereotype with a rationalization about white people.
> > > That aside, you can't tell me with a straight face that there aren't a
> > > LOT of white folks who do lock their car doors, cross the street,
> > > etc... especially older white folks.
>
> > That is a racist reaction and apparently, you've been bred to be a
> > racist and are now defending it. These folks could say the Blacks are
> > bred to commit crime - it's no different.
>
> I wouldn't presume to defend it, but I know it exists. Obama admitted
> it exists. Lots of people deny it. Lots of people also deny that I as
> a white guy have a better chance of getting a job or an apartment or a
> cab ride than an equally well dressed and qualified black guy -- but
> it's the truth nonetheless.
It's not racist to say that racism exists. It's racist to say that the
"typical white person" is racist or "bred" to have have a racist
reaction.
> > > Obama admits it, neocons don't -- but it's true nonetheless.
>
> > If he's admitting it then why did you say, "That's not what he said".
> > Damn Sam, it's pretty fucking hard defending a racist isn't it? Why do
> > you bother?
>
> Good lord.
Amen.