starving americans forced to eat cactus
nick
"We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of the
plant had been hacked off.
"You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
"The Harmens live in a one-bedroom trailer on the outskirts of Tulare, an
area known as Metheny Tract."
"It's a step up from their former accommodations."
"We were all living in my truck," Bernice said.
"Tulare County has the highest percentage of people who don't know where
their next meal will come from: 41 percent, compared to a state average of
28 percent."
http://www.portervillerecorder.com
Alan
http://www.desertusa.com/magoct97/oct_pear.html
******
Prickly Pear Cactus have been a staple food of Native
Americans for many centuries. Their large, colorful blossoms
appear in yellow, pink, red or purple and grow from the tip
of cactus nodules, which later ripen into delicious red
fruit. Many varieties of prickly pear cactus grow wild
throughout the deserts of the Southwest, but many are not
native.
Some species of prickly pear cactus were introduced into
North America from tropical America a number of centuries
ago. The fruit of these cultivated prickly pear cactus is a
common delicacy in Mexico and is sold in markets as "tuna."
While all prickly pear cactus are of the genus Opuntia, the
non-native Opuntia megacantha is one of the tastiest and
most popular. Some native species, especially those with
dark purple fruit, are not as flavorful.
******
Chris Fleitman
Which reminds me that I'm going to the annual Shinnecock Indian Nation
Pow Wow tomarrow.
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Madonna and Brittany Spears at the MTV music awards.
"We will believe they are dead when Uday and Qusay's bodies are tied to
cars and dragged through the streets so everybody can see them," said
Muhammad, an Iraqi engineer.
Morton Davis
"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
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>
Off topic BULLSHIT,
<plonk>
Jaberwokie
food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
musn't let people starve.
Morton Davis
"Jaberwokie" <Jaber...@Global.net> wrote in message
news:3F520F80...@Global.net...
> There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
> food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
> more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
> musn't let people starve.
>
>
eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
all depends. I have known people who bitch and moan about having to chose
between eating and paying bills. You look in theit trash and it's full of
empty takeout food containers.
-*MORT*-
Jaberwokie
The Lone Weasel
news:3F5215D2...@Global.net:
> test
plonk
test terminated
press any key for further instructions
--
Yours truly,
The Lone Weasel
AH#49
>
> Morton Davis wrote:
It all depends. I have known people who bitch and moan about having to
> > full of empty takeout food containers.
>
He's just a nice guy that's looking for something to send you to eat,
as the US's poor's garbage is still better and healthier then any UK
based "cuisine."
Scout
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
news:2uo4b.314947$YN5.214586@sccrnsc01...
Either that or expensive prepared foods.
AH#49
>
> AH#49 wrote:
>
> > Al wrote:
> >> Are you going through other people's trash because you've run out of
> >> cactus?
> >
> > He's just a nice guy that's looking for something to send you to eat
>
> Morton seems like some kind of low intelligence Robin Hood, going through
> the bins of the poor in order to send what he finds to the rich.
That's not what I said or implied.
I said he was sending good food to you.
>
> But more important than that is why you /still/ deny him the dignity of
> fighting his own battles.
How did I deny him that?
> I can only think you are either his mom or his
> bumchum.
Oh yeah, you brits are always confused.
AH#49
>
> AH#49 wrote:
> > That's not what I said or implied.
> > I said he was sending good food to you.
>
> Therefore he's binraiding the poor to send to the rich. Your 'comprehension
> difficulties' are duly noted.
Not I, child.
I said "you."
And yes, even your rich could use a lesson from our "poor's trash" in
regards to food, you loot fish eating stew maker.
You are not "rich", nor do they eat good food in the UK.
It's impossible!
That's why "Curry" is such a new "fad" there.
Just adding some spices to crap, does not make it food.
But alas, little one, you missed the point again.
>
> >> But more important than that is why you /still/ deny him the dignity of
> >> fighting his own battles.
> >
> > How did I deny him that?
>
> I asked him a question, yet it was you who replied.
Yes I did reply, you retard.
How was that a denial on my part to keep him from posting?
Are you always that stupid, or were you practicing to get an award?
Are you a representative of all UK/ Netherlander brats?
I hope not, as you surely are stump stupid.
That's why I keep NOT responding back to a certain newsgroup, but YOU,
like all other Euro-trash, keep adding it back on when it has nothing
to do with the subject, that I see your insipid replies to.
Why?
Because you are a poor, mindless, retard!
> Your attempts to impress
> Morton are duly noted: I hope he has enough sense to wear a chastity belt
> while you're near his trailerpark.
Chastity belts?
Do all you silly goons in that silly land always think of strange
sexul practices when backed into a corner?
> >> I can only think you are either his mom or his
> >> bumchum.
> >
> > Oh yeah, you brits are always confused.
>
> I'm a brit? I'd like to see you evidence of that! LOL
You mean you're not posting from:
"X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1062351096 17932 80.177.110.173"
OH, Amsterdam! My bad.
That's even worse...and it figures!
Larry Jandro
electrons formed this:
> I'm a brit? I'd like to see you evidence of that! LOL
Well, you post from here: lgeezerette.demon.co.uk
Not conclusive proof, but a good start.
--
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"Lord, are we worthy of the task that lies before us,
or are we just jerking off..?"
AH#49
> You have to make points before I can miss them. Try again.
How long have you been an incessant, blinking sheep?
I proved all of my points, and you backed me up so far with proof, each
and every time you posted, by not responding _to_ the particular points
that even a much younger child could have seen a mile...er, kilometer
away!
AH#49
>
> On 31 Aug 2003, Al <a...@lgeezer.net> tapped on a keyboard and the
> electrons formed this:
>
> > I'm a brit? I'd like to see you evidence of that! LOL
>
> Well, you post from here: lgeezerette.demon.co.uk
>
> Not conclusive proof, but a good start.
Good enough for me to know that he's still a loser.
Fish Tacos
>There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
>food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
>electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
>more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
>musn't let people starve.
>
Perhaps if the gov't didn't take so much of everyones paychecks and
attempt to do that, more private citizens would provide assistance like
you.
Bert Hyman
<pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote:
> "We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of
> the plant had been hacked off.
But that's the way you want it, isn't it? After all:
"He who does not work shall not eat"
Section 2, Chapter IX, paragraph 18 of the first Soviet Constitution of
1918.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@visi.com
Larry Jandro
electrons formed this:
> Larry Jandro wrote:
>
>> On 31 Aug 2003, Al <a...@lgeezer.net> tapped on a keyboard and
>> the electrons formed this:
>>
>>> I'm a brit? I'd like to see you evidence of that! LOL
>>
>> Well, you post from here: lgeezerette.demon.co.uk
>
> Do I? The most you can say is that the above machine is the last
> hop before the newserver.
Nope. According to the path, reading right to left as prescribed,
demon.co.uk is your injection point:
Path: news1.west.cox.net!west.cox.net!east.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!
cox.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail
Larry Jandro
formed this:
> Cactus...which has been found to be far, far more nutritious and
> healthy than the Full English Breakfast (aka "slop fried in pig
> fat.")
Native eaters of cactus have great teeth, too.
AH#49
>
> Cactus...which has been found to be far, far more nutritious and
> healthy than the Full English Breakfast (aka "slop fried in pig fat.")
That's for dinner, there, after it's all been boiled to death first.
AH#49
Nick must be starving!
nick
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
> People can eat very well for free, if they know how
Mort lives on roadkill and trash.
Tom Anderson
> nick wrote:
>
> > "We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> > Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of the
> > plant had been hacked off.
>
> Prickly Pear Cactus have been a staple food of Native Americans for many
> centuries.
well on - you can get crystallised prickly pear fruit in the Selfridges
food hall. word to the S-hall!
tom
--
if you can't beat them, build them
Alan
>
> "Alan" <ala...@uswest.net> wrote in message
>
> The usual whiny bullshit.
Why not simply post "My name is nick and I have no comeback"
Hehehe. You're a loser just like Goatse Ed.
nobody
"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote:
> "We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of the
> plant had been hacked off.
>
> "You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
>
> "The Harmens live in a one-bedroom trailer on the outskirts of Tulare, an
> area known as Metheny Tract."
>
> "It's a step up from their former accommodations."....
...Mexico.
Yardpilot
"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
news:NMl4b.765$mW5...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
>
> Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of
the
> plant had been hacked off.
>
> "You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
Lucky stiffs. Up here we have to BUY cactus.
Larry Jandro
electrons formed this:
> That says nothing about where I'm posting from, only where my
> posts enter Usenet.
Like I said. It isn't conclusive.
Eric Lee Green
> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
Okay, let's see:
1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
for one meal for a family of four.
Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
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Eric Lee Green
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:48 -0500, Jaberwokie <Jaber...@Global.net>
>
>>There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
>>food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
>>electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
>>more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
>>musn't let people starve.
>>
>
> Perhaps if the gov't didn't take so much of everyones paychecks and
> attempt to do that, more private citizens would provide assistance like
> you.
We tried that in the past. We got a Great Depression out of it, with
people starving on the streets until government stepped in to feed those
people.
photographer
"Eric Lee Green" <er...@badtux.org> wrote in message
news:slrnbl5qm...@badtux.org...
>
> > eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day.
It
> > -*MORT*-
>
> Okay, let's see:
>
> 1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
> 1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>
> We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> for one meal for a family of four.
>
> Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
> Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
>
> --
> Eric Lee Green mailto:er...@badtux.org
Of course MORT takes no account of additional costs. For example; fuel to
cook the food.
Gregory Procter
Eric Lee Green wrote:
> > eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
> > -*MORT*-
>
> Okay, let's see:
>
> 1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
> 1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>
> We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> for one meal for a family of four.
>
> Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
> Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
Mort get's "Wheels on Meals" - otherwise known as "road-kill".
Let's not mention that he spends $7- per day on petrol to find it.
nobody
Angkor <vo...@what.norp> wrote:
> That's a very small step.
Ya can take the boy out of Mexico, but ya can't take Mexico out of the
boy.
Scott Rutter
>
>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
>> -*MORT*-
>
>Okay, let's see:
>
>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>
>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
>for one meal for a family of four.
>
>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
You start by not shopping at 7-11.
Figure two adults and two children in the 7-12 age bracket you can
keep all four fed for a year on the following:
800 lbs of Red Wheat - $137.76
175 lbs Hulled Barley - $26.81
100 lbs Rolled Oats - $37.26
150 lbs Whole Yellow Corn - $19.77
50 lbs Long White Rice - $11.02
175 lbs Long Brown Rice - $38.71
175 lbs Pinto Beans - $79.99
175 lbs Red Lentils - $61.61
200 lbs White Sugar - $89.72
50 lbs Brown Sugar - $28.26
50 lbs Iodized Salt - $9.72
50 lbs powdered whole eggs - $138.60
250 lbs Instant Milk - $386.35
That's $1065.58 a year for a family of four. $2.92 a day.
-
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nick
"Scott Rutter" <sZIGr...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
Why not just get a pallet of beans to go with the freerange cactus, $365 per
year max.
Unknown
seems you should add some peanut butter, flour, yeast, and lard to
this list (fat is not a bad thing when eating to survive), and, if you
have the time to dehydrate them, a lot of dried, fiber-rich vegetables
and fruit.
Lard
Chris Fleitman
I know, the price of good cactus has skyrocketed and they are
complaining that they have to harvest theirs!
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Madonna and Brittany Spears at the MTV music awards.
"We will believe they are dead when Uday and Qusay's bodies are tied to
cars and dragged through the streets so everybody can see them," said
Muhammad, an Iraqi engineer.
Alan
>
> Alan wrote:
> > nick wrote:
> >
> >>"We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> >>Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of the
> >>plant had been hacked off.
> >>
> >>"You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
> >>
> >>area known as Metheny Tract."
> >>
> >>"It's a step up from their former accommodations."
> >>
> >>
> >>"Tulare County has the highest percentage of people who don't know where
> >>their next meal will come from: 41 percent, compared to a state average of
> >>28 percent."
> >>
> >>http://www.portervillerecorder.com
I've been wondering..... WTF is nick doing reading the
Hooterville Herald?
Stalking somebody in Porterville CA, nick?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.desertusa.com/magoct97/oct_pear.html
> >
> > ******
> > Prickly Pear Cactus have been a staple food of Native
> > Americans for many centuries. Their large, colorful blossoms
> > appear in yellow, pink, red or purple and grow from the tip
> > of cactus nodules, which later ripen into delicious red
> > fruit. Many varieties of prickly pear cactus grow wild
> > throughout the deserts of the Southwest, but many are not
> > native.
> >
> > Some species of prickly pear cactus were introduced into
> > North America from tropical America a number of centuries
> > ago. The fruit of these cultivated prickly pear cactus is a
> > common delicacy in Mexico and is sold in markets as "tuna."
> > While all prickly pear cactus are of the genus Opuntia, the
> > non-native Opuntia megacantha is one of the tastiest and
> > most popular. Some native species, especially those with
> > dark purple fruit, are not as flavorful.
> > ******
>
> Which reminds me that I'm going to the annual Shinnecock Indian Nation
> Pow Wow tomarrow.
>
> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lipow0831,0,3252791.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines
Interesting article. The natives appear restless. They
demand Keno, Blackjack, and Bingo!
Morton Davis
"Yardpilot" <yard...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:WdB4b.322398$uu5.66041@sccrnsc04...
wild grapes. Ever smoke grapevine?
-*MORT*-
Chris Fleitman
There are destitute people in America that are forced to eat one or two
meals a day consisting of a huge bag of rice and a can of beans (all for
about 3 dollars) cooked over a camp stove. But this problem supports the
fact that some people come to this country without any realistic plan of
what they are going to do when they arrive. For example - a mother of
three might live in a shanty town in Mexico. If she stayed in Mexico she
knows her 3 children will grow up and live in shanty towns. She takes
the risk to America knowing that she'll probably wind up in a hidden
shanty town in the desert, or a dangerous village with thieves, but
knows her kids (or grand kids) have a chance to get the hell out of there.
There are an estimated 700 homeless families on Long Island. Some of
which live in the woods and are happy with it (they're crazy Nam vets),
others are unfortunate South Americans without a chance in sight and
bounce around until they find a break. These people won't surface for
help because they are afraid they will have to go back home. This has
always been a problem for America. We can't close the border because
it's against our principles, but we can't let them all in because we
can't absorb it. It's a massive problem and a burden. Everyday on my
morning drive to work I pass a 7/11 (a convenience store chain) with at
least 75 SA's standing on the side with their cups of coffee hoping for
somebody to pick them up for a days work so they can buy more rice and
beans. If they don't get picked up - they fade away until tomarrow.
nick
"photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Of course MORT takes no account of additional costs. For example; fuel to
> cook the food.
In Arizona they just cook the food on the sun baked roofs of their trailers.
Alan
>
> > eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
> > -*MORT*-
>
> Okay, let's see:
>
> 1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
Huh? Check the price of bulk pinto beans, and then get back
us.......
> 1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
Who buys cornbread? Asnwer: nobody because cornmeal is dirt
cheap.
You can get whole chickens for .49 cents a pound. You can
get a monster bag of rice for 8 bucks. Potatos? 10 pounds
for 2.50. 12 large eggs for less than a dollar. Onions
cost nothing. A clove of garlic is .40 cents or so.
Bake a chicken, strip the meat for whatever, use the bones
for stock. Use stock for soups, gravies, "leftover baked
chicken stew", whatever.
All ya have to do is shop, and cook.
> We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> for one meal for a family of four.
I think Mort knows exactly what he's talking about.
Did I really just say that? Yeah, I think I did. Wasn't
Mort an Army cook?
I'll bet he could feed 120 of you yappin libbie types for
.40 cents a portion, soup to nuts.
Alan
>
> "Alan" <ala...@uswest.net> whined in message
>
> > > "Alan" <ala...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> > >
> > > The usual whiny bullshit.
> >
> > Why not simply post "My name is nick and I have no comeback"
>
Am I ruining your fun, stalker man?
I'll bet you wish you knew *my* last name, don't you nick?
Then you could search, and search,.....
> > Hehehe. You're a loser just like Goatse Ed.
>
> Says Alan stmaping his little feet.
Ripping off ackbore's material?
I pity you.
photographer
If it works it is making good use of environmentally friendly energy; so I
can't really knock people for doing that.
Chris Fleitman
They're generally good people until you fuck with their Bingo!
A casino would be great for the LI economy, force the government to
improve traffic on that area, and chase the city folks back to the
bricks where they belong.
No way are those Park Avenue types going to mingle with any 'filthy
natives'!
hurdy gurdy
"Jaberwokie" <Jaber...@Global.net> wrote in message
news:3F520F80...@Global.net...
> There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
> food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
> more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
> musn't let people starve.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY EUROPEANS MUST INSIST THAT THE WELFARE STATE REMAINS
INTACT.
In the UK governments since 1979 have eroded the system. I took it for
granted at one time that I could get money from the State that would
guarantee a reasonable standard of living and education (I think my best
quality of life years were as a student on a good grant).
I also expected the State to produce an economic and social environment in
which I could find an interesting and well paid job. All I've found are
lousy civil service positions with salaries that have made me think that I'd
be better off on benefits, after getting into credit card debt etc etc etc.
I actually think that the state owes people a good standard of living.
In the London region one really needs £500/week.
I don't want the sort of capitalism you have in America though I appreciate
the sense of personal freedom you have had to date.
You can call me selfish and unrealistic if you like.
Alan
What? No Cheeze Whiz?
Chris Fleitman
Angkor wrote:
> But they only cook stuff that they find on the highways. IT can't be
> good for their health for god's sake..
Since when do you care about our health?
Chris Fleitman
Angkor wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:53:07 GMT, Chris Fleitman
> <chrisf...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Angkor wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:31:22 +0100, "photographer"
>>><chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
>>>>news:ZXG4b.541$il1....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course MORT takes no account of additional costs. For example; fuel
>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>cook the food.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Arizona they just cook the food on the sun baked roofs of their
>>>>
>>>>trailers.
>>>>
>>>>If it works it is making good use of environmentally friendly energy; so I
>>>>can't really knock people for doing that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>But they only cook stuff that they find on the highways. IT can't be
>>>good for their health for god's sake..
>>
>>Since when do you care about our health?
>
>
> Where did I say I care about your health, fuckhead?
You did when you showed concern for our health in the passage above?
Thanks, Angkor, for your concern.
>Keep frying that
> road-pizza on your roof and eat it, see if I care :)
You should be so lucky to have such nutrition in your diet.
rick...@yahoo.com
wrote:
And no meat?
Rick Bowen
TSRA Life Member
NRA Member
Without the 2nd Amendment,
the rest are just suggestions.
Clete
eat...And by gawd we liked it!
rick...@yahoo.com wrote in message ...
Yardpilot
"hurdy gurdy" <no...@allons.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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I can do that. Hmm. If the government owes people a good standard of
living, who pays for it?
Yardpilot
"Chris Fleitman" <chrisf...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Yardpilot wrote:
> > "nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
> > news:NMl4b.765$mW5...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> >
> >>"We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old
son,
> >>Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections
of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>plant had been hacked off.
> >>
> >>"You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
> >
> >
> > Lucky stiffs. Up here we have to BUY cactus.
>
> I know, the price of good cactus has skyrocketed and they are
> complaining that they have to harvest theirs!
Really. There are only a half-dozen places you can find it around here,
too.
photographer
<Kanazawa Hemi> wrote in message
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snipped
>
> Let them plant a garden - they are on welfare and not working. There
> are also food kitchens, Salvation Army centers and many other free
> food sources in most communities. You know that.
>
You seem to enjoy paraphrasing Dickens.
Yardpilot
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
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Out in the country around here you can find lots of apples, pears, and
such growing wild. Grapes of quite a few varieties grow wild, too. Lots
of the old-time homesteaders planted them, and they have had a century
or two to spread. Blackberries are literally a curse here. They are
probably our most pernicious weed. Elderberry jelly and wine are free
for the making. Wild strawberries (to rip off a phrase from Big Ben) are
proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. If a person wants to
take the time to learn about it, there is an incredible amount of good
quality food growing all around us. Unbelievably, people survived before
Mini-Marts.
> Ever smoke grapevine?
No, but I've driven it a few times. <G>
Chris Fleitman
Where is 'here'?
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard, Old
Chief two-fingered to all:
|>On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:38:02 GMT, Larry Jandro
|><use...@REMOVETHISljvideo.com> wrote:
|>
|>>On 31 Aug 2003, Able Fox tapped on a keyboard and the electrons
|>>formed this:
|>>
|>>> Cactus...which has been found to be far, far more nutritious and
|>>> healthy than the Full English Breakfast (aka "slop fried in pig
|>>> fat.")
|>>
|>>Native eaters of cactus have great teeth, too.
|>
|>I ate cactus (and seagull too), in SERE School at Warner Springs,
|>California, in 1965.
I still eat some varieties. They're good.
jammin1-at-jammin1-dot-com
jammin1's Resources
www.jammin1.com
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard, Eric Lee
Green <er...@badtux.org> two-fingered to all:
|>
|>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
|>> -*MORT*-
|>
|>Okay, let's see:
|>
|>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
|>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
|>
|>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
|>for one meal for a family of four.
|>
|>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
|>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
A .22.lr bullet is about 14 cents. With that, you can get at least one meal,
sometimes more. A .308 is about 90 cents. With that you can get a couple weeks
worth of meals, sometimes more. Add a dollar's worth of taters, onions and some
wild greens and you've got a pretty good stew.
Now, if we're strictly talking store bought food, I wouldn't want to try to get
by on 3 bucks a day. It could be done, but there won't be much of a variety to
speak of.
Corn bread for breakfast
Rice and Beans for lunch
Taters for dinner
Not much variety.
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard, Scott
Rutter <sZIGr...@cfl.rr.com> two-fingered to all:
Mix the barley, oats, corn, rice, half the wheat and 1/4 of the sugars in a huge
vat, with a bit of water. Let set for a couple of weeks, stirring daily.
Distill. Add another 1/4 of the sugar and repeat. When all the sugar has been
used, run one extra distillation and mix. Feed the leftovers to a big clutch of
rabbits and a couple dozen chickens.
Now you've got good spirits, bread, eggs, milk, rabbit and chicken (more eggs
too).
Larry Jandro
on a keyboard and the electrons formed this:
> A .22.lr bullet is about 14 cents. With that, you can get at
> least one meal, sometimes more. A .308 is about 90 cents.
Not if you buy your ammo from "Cheaper Than Dirt."
--
Larry Jandro - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"Lord, are we worthy of the task that lies before us,
or are we just jerking off..?"
hurdy gurdy
Yes. You're right. A big problem. Capital would have to be re-evaluated and
there doesn't appear to be an effective system or theory that can practice
this.
nick
Robb Nunya
>
>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
>> -*MORT*-
>
>Okay, let's see:
>
>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>
>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
>for one meal for a family of four.
>
>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
1 cup of rice & 1 cup of beans will feed an adult male for 1 meal jsut
fine, thank you. True, some leafy greens need to be added, but that's
food that stretches.
nick
Robb Nunya
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:27:58 GMT, "Morton Davis"
><oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote:
>
>>People can eat very well for free, if they know how,
>Mort is the one to know - he's survived on roadkill ever since birth.
Sounds like you're the roadkill... Or at least have the dignity of
roadkill... You're wrong, and that's that.
Robb Nunya
scribed:
>In article <sri4lvsar5duf5fd1...@4ax.com>, Fish Tacos ruminated:
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:48 -0500, Jaberwokie <Jaber...@Global.net>
>>
>>>There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
>>>food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
>>>electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
>>>more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
>>>musn't let people starve.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps if the gov't didn't take so much of everyones paychecks and
>> attempt to do that, more private citizens would provide assistance like
>> you.
>
>We tried that in the past. We got a Great Depression out of it, with
>people starving on the streets until government stepped in to feed those
>people.
Uhhh.,... no...
The depression was caused by irresponsible people buying stocks on
credit. When the stock market crashed, people went out of business...
And then the govt went along & screwed us over with the "New Deal"
which was supposed to be a short term fix, but is still with us to
this very day.
nick
"Alan" <ala...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> Am I ruining your fun, stalker man?
Asks Alan the stalker.
nick
"Angkor" <vo...@what.nop> wrote in message
> >> In Arizona they just cook the food on the sun baked roofs of their
> >trailers.
> >
> >If it works it is making good use of environmentally friendly energy; so
I
> >can't really knock people for doing that.
> >
> But they only cook stuff that they find on the highways. IT can't be
> good for their health for god's sake..
Life under the big brown cloud.
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
Actually, we can make very effective ovens with some cardboard and aluminum
foil.
rallain
Dickens? Hell, that was the way that we survived the depression.
Gardening and storing food. Don't knock it. Some people not only want the
food given to them they expect it to be cooked and served.
Cactus can be delicious and very good for you. The leaves of a type of
prickley pear is used for diabetes. I eat the pears of cactus and they can
be delicious. High priced in the stores but we go gather our own. The pears
seeds are high protein, the pulp is made into jelly or jam and the juice can
be fermented for a nice drink. We use the unfermented juice for pancake
syrup etc.
>
>
Peter McMullen
nick wrote:
>
> "We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of the
> plant had been hacked off.
>
> "You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
>
> "The Harmens live in a one-bedroom trailer on the outskirts of Tulare, an
> area known as Metheny Tract."
>
> "It's a step up from their former accommodations."
>
> "We were all living in my truck," Bernice said.
>
> "Tulare County has the highest percentage of people who don't know where
> their next meal will come from: 41 percent, compared to a state average of
> 28 percent."
>
Forgetting for a moment that this post has nothing to do
with firearms (so why the cross-posting crap?), it is
absolute bullshit. The assertion is that nearly 1/3 of the
state population is on the verge of starvation or even
hunger. It is nothing of the sort.
Food stamps, food banks, school lunch programs, WIC, private
and public outreach programs and services, thrift shops,
medi-cal, worker's comp, unemployment insurance, low income
shelter, calworks, welfare are available to anyone in
genuine need who is willing to accept it. Even during the
Great Depression and the Dust Bowl of the 1930's, 28% of the
population was not going hungry.
That such nonsense statistics came out of a UCLA study is no
surprise.
And of course the moron who posted this crap failed to
mention that "they ended up in the truck" because the father
walked out on them, abandoning his responsibilities. Nothing
in the story however about tracking down the old man and
forcing him to honor his obligations. What do you want to
bet substance abuse, and an earlier unwillingness to take
full advantage of a free education through high school,
figures into the equation as well?
Add to this the fact that these people live in Tulare
County, in the heart of the California farm belt, where
State and Federal refusal to address illegal immigration for
decades has led to a flood of illegals saturating the labor
market, driving down wages and over taxing social support
systems. Liberals love to say that the illegals are the only
ones who will take the menial and entry level jobs, but that
is nonsense. Its a simple matter of supply and demand.
photographer
"Little John" <jam...@jammin1.SPAMSUX.com> wrote in message
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Is that why TV dinners come packed as they do;-)
Gunner
>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:23:45 +0100, "nick"
><pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scott Rutter" <sZIGr...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> >> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day.
>>It
>>> >> -*MORT*-
>>> >
>>> >Okay, let's see:
>>> >
>>> >1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>>> >1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>>> >
>>> >We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
>>> >for one meal for a family of four.
>>> >
>>> >Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
>>> >Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
>>>
>>> You start by not shopping at 7-11.
>>>
>>> Figure two adults and two children in the 7-12 age bracket you can
>>> keep all four fed for a year on the following:
>>> 800 lbs of Red Wheat - $137.76
>>> 175 lbs Hulled Barley - $26.81
>>> 100 lbs Rolled Oats - $37.26
>>> 150 lbs Whole Yellow Corn - $19.77
>>> 50 lbs Long White Rice - $11.02
>>> 175 lbs Long Brown Rice - $38.71
>>> 175 lbs Pinto Beans - $79.99
>>> 175 lbs Red Lentils - $61.61
>>> 200 lbs White Sugar - $89.72
>>> 50 lbs Brown Sugar - $28.26
>>> 50 lbs Iodized Salt - $9.72
>>> 50 lbs powdered whole eggs - $138.60
>>> 250 lbs Instant Milk - $386.35
>>>
>>>
>>> That's $1065.58 a year for a family of four. $2.92 a day.
>>
>>Why not just get a pallet of beans to go with the freerange cactus, $365 per
>>year max.
>>
>Those canny survivalists know how to save money - none of them have
>ever spent a cent on dental care, that's for sure...
Angor has a rare congentital condition where his brain stem is
crosswired to the intestinal center that controls farts. He tends to
fart out his thoughts..or think in farts. Sad
Gunner
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill
Morton Davis
of living. Some peoiple manage to go from living on the streets and eating
out of dumpsters to being well off. Others piss and moan and cry foul
because they didn't. If you want something better - get off your dead
fucking ass and work to get it. CLUE - look for non-standard ways to get
there.
-*MORT*-
nobody
"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote:
No, actually, you seem to be following his every post, stalker, and not
doing a very good job of it.
Yardpilot
"rallain" <all...@theriver.com> wrote in message
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>
> "photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bj00m7$7bb$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > <Kanazawa Hemi> wrote in message
> > news:3c545c7b8a48e176...@news.teranews.com...
> > snipped
> > >
> > > Let them plant a garden - they are on welfare and not working.
There
> > > are also food kitchens, Salvation Army centers and many other free
> > > food sources in most communities. You know that.
> > >
> >
> > You seem to enjoy paraphrasing Dickens.
>
> Dickens? Hell, that was the way that we survived the depression.
> Gardening and storing food. Don't knock it. Some people not only want
the
> food given to them they expect it to be cooked and served.
A large number of people simply believe that all food comes from stores
and restaraunts. They seem to think there is no middle ground. To be
"civilized" they must buy all their food in its final form.
Unfortunately, that attitude cuts across economic lines.
Yardpilot
"Eric Lee Green" <er...@badtux.org> wrote in message
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> In article <sri4lvsar5duf5fd1...@4ax.com>, Fish Tacos
ruminated:
> > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:48 -0500, Jaberwokie
<Jaber...@Global.net>
> >
taking
> >>food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> >>electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't
doing
> >>more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but
we
> >>musn't let people starve.
> >>
> >
> > attempt to do that, more private citizens would provide assistance
like
> > you.
>
> We tried that in the past. We got a Great Depression out of it, with
> people starving on the streets until government stepped in to feed
those
> people.
Huh? The Great Depression was brought about by lowering taxes?
Yardpilot
>
>
> Yardpilot wrote:
> > "Chris Fleitman" <chrisf...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F533149...@netscape.net...
> >
> >>
> >>Yardpilot wrote:
> >>
> >>>"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
> >>>news:NMl4b.765$mW5...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old
> >>>
> > son,
> >
> >>>>Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard.
Sections
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>plant had been hacked off.
> >>>>
> >>>>"You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Lucky stiffs. Up here we have to BUY cactus.
> >>
> >>I know, the price of good cactus has skyrocketed and they are
> >>complaining that they have to harvest theirs!
> >
> >
> > Really. There are only a half-dozen places you can find it around
here,
> > too.
>
> Where is 'here'?
In this particular town on the Upper Left Coast. We're a little short of
cactii here. We have a few other things, though, so we manage.
Alan
Find any bad bankruptcy info on me yet?
Peter McMullen
hurdy gurdy wrote:
>
> "Jaberwokie" <Jaber...@Global.net> wrote in message
> news:3F520F80...@Global.net...
> > There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
> > food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> > electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
> > more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
> > musn't let people starve.
>
> THIS IS EXACTLY WHY EUROPEANS MUST INSIST THAT THE WELFARE STATE REMAINS
> INTACT.
>
> In the UK governments since 1979 have eroded the system. I took it for
> granted at one time that I could get money from the State that would
> guarantee a reasonable standard of living and education (I think my best
> quality of life years were as a student on a good grant).
> I also expected the State to produce an economic and social environment in
> which I could find an interesting and well paid job. All I've found are
> lousy civil service positions with salaries that have made me think that I'd
> be better off on benefits, after getting into credit card debt etc etc etc.
>
> I actually think that the state owes people a good standard of living.
>
This in a nutshell highlights the difference between the
European / Socialist concept of "rights", and the
traditional American / Conservative / Libertarian concept.
Ironically, the traditional American concept derives itself
from Englishmen like John Locke.
For lack of a better label, the American Conservative /
Libertarian perspective is that fundamental individual
rights are those qualities of an individual's personal
sovereignty that exist in a state of nature, that is, in an
absence of government. Indeed it is the excercise of those
rights that create a legitimate state, in the primary
interest of preserving natural rights and arbitrating
conflicts that would otherwise occur if everyone were
"king".
In our view then:
The principle is that while individuals do indeed have a
"right" to be well fed, it is the government's role to
assure that no one (including the state itself) takes that
right away without due process of law, and to make sure
there are no impediments (based on race, sex, religion) to
an equal opportunity. It does not mean that the government
is *required* to provide you with food. Just as you have
freedom of speech, that does not mean the government is
obligated to buy you a printing press. In general, a
reasonable helping hand to those willing to help themselves,
or genuinely unable to provide for themselves, is considered
a worthwhile societal benefit, not a right.
Even an act in the interest of the "common good" or
preserving the "commonweal" must be in the context of
protecting liberty and natural rights of the people. The
concept is "to promote the general welfare", not to provide
it. The aim is not to act out the "national will" but to
best preserve individual freedom.
To the extent that you allow a state to become your
sustenance or to regulate and tax your natural right to earn
a livelihood, you turn the principles of "republican" (small
r, representative) government on its head. How can
sovereignty flow from the people to the state when the state
itself controls your very right to exist.
For example, under an income tax or a poll tax, the state is
taxing your right of self preservation. Understand that we
are not talking about legitimate regulation to make sure
that in practicing your vocation you do not do harm to
others, such as licensing a doctor. The state is demanding
tribute for your right simply to be.
Whether enacted by a dictator or a majority, in effect you
become a serf or a share-cropper to the state. This is not
what our founders had in mind.
It is even worse when a socialist government exceeds
legitimate economic authority to promote a stable and level
economic playing field; free and fair competition that
allows independent small business and self reliance to
flourish (to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves
and our posterity), and seeks to redistribute income or
rectify some social imbalance, or to become the sole source
of your livelihood. To be genuinely free, you must have the
ability and opportunity to earn a livelihood independently
of the state (or of a big corporation or union for that
matter)
No offense, but you can see it in yourself how it effects
the national psyche. Instead of looking to the state for
government jobs or to accept its "benevolence", your
education should have equipped you to earn a living
independently of government, as a merchant, consultant,
contractor, manager, whatever. And it should make sure that
the only regulatory impediments to that goal are those which
are *absolutely* necessary.
:o)
nick
Like anyone cares about you enough to look.
Yas
news:3F520F80...@Global.net...
> There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
> food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
> more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
> musn't let people starve.
>
screw that! let's spend more money on weapons!
> nick wrote:
> > "We didn't have any money to buy food," she said. Her 8-year-old son,
> > Chance, pointed to the cactus growing in their front yard. Sections of
the
> > plant had been hacked off.
> >
> > "You just cut that green skin off and eat the inside," he said.
> >
> > "The Harmens live in a one-bedroom trailer on the outskirts of Tulare,
an
> > area known as Metheny Tract."
> >
> > "It's a step up from their former accommodations."
> >
> > "We were all living in my truck," Bernice said.
> >
> > "Tulare County has the highest percentage of people who don't know where
> > their next meal will come from: 41 percent, compared to a state average
of
> > 28 percent."
> >
> > http://www.portervillerecorder.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard, Larry
Jandro <use...@REMOVETHISljvideo.com> two-fingered to all:
|>On 01 Sep 2003, Little John <jam...@jammin1.SPAMSUX.com> tapped
|>on a keyboard and the electrons formed this:
|>
|>> A .22.lr bullet is about 14 cents. With that, you can get at
|>> least one meal, sometimes more. A .308 is about 90 cents.
|>
|>Not if you buy your ammo from "Cheaper Than Dirt."
shipping
Little John
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
"photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> two-fingered to all:
|>
|>"Little John" <jam...@jammin1.SPAMSUX.com> wrote in message
|>news:4th7lvcae1mjtug91...@4ax.com...
|>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:31:22 +0100, in a fit of unbridled digital
|>verbosity, once
|>> again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
|>> "photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> two-fingered to all:
|>>
|>> |>
|>> |>"nick" <pizzalovin...@allstar.ps> wrote in message
|>> |>news:ZXG4b.541$il1....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
|>> |>>
|>> |>> "photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|>> |>>
|>> |>> > Of course MORT takes no account of additional costs. For example;
|>fuel
|>> |>to
|>> |>> > cook the food.
|>> |>>
|>> |>> In Arizona they just cook the food on the sun baked roofs of their
|>> |>trailers.
|>> |>
|>> |>If it works it is making good use of environmentally friendly energy; so
|>I
|>> |>can't really knock people for doing that.
|>>
|>> Actually, we can make very effective ovens with some cardboard and
|>aluminum
|>> foil.
|>>
|>
|>Is that why TV dinners come packed as they do;-)
No, but you're close. TV dinners come out just fine if you put 'em on the dash
of the car in the morning when you get to work, and leave 'em until lunch time.
A steaming hot meal courtesy of the abundant solar power here in the Valley of
the Sun.
Morton Davis
"Yas" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3f54730d$0$46017$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net...
> "Jaberwokie" <Jaber...@Global.net> wrote in message
> news:3F520F80...@Global.net...
> > There is a lot of poverty out there. I have spent several paydays taking
> > food to famlies and individuals who had to decide between paying the
> > electric bill and eating. It is a disgrace that our society isn't doing
> > more to assist these individuals. I'm not a big fan of welfare but we
> > musn't let people starve.
> >
>
> screw that! let's spend more money on weapons!
>
I agree. Buy them low, sell them high, buy food with the profits.
-*MORT*-
Eric Lee Green
> On 1 Sep 2003 01:30:56 -0500, Eric Lee Green <er...@badtux.org> wrote:
>>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
>>> -*MORT*-
>>
>>Okay, let's see:
>>
>>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>>
>>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
>>for one meal for a family of four.
>>
>>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
>>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
>
> You start by not shopping at 7-11.
I was shopping at Albertson's.
> Figure two adults and two children in the 7-12 age bracket you can
> keep all four fed for a year on the following:
> 800 lbs of Red Wheat - $137.76
I don't see 800 pound bags of Red Wheat at Albertson's. I couldn't afford
to buy 800 lbs of wheat anyhow back in the days when I was on minimum wage.
> 175 lbs Hulled Barley - $26.81
I don't see 175 pound hulled barley bags at Albertson's.
> 100 lbs Rolled Oats - $37.26
> 150 lbs Whole Yellow Corn - $19.77
> 50 lbs Long White Rice - $11.02
> 175 lbs Long Brown Rice - $38.71
> 175 lbs Pinto Beans - $79.99
> 175 lbs Red Lentils - $61.61
> 200 lbs White Sugar - $89.72
> 50 lbs Brown Sugar - $28.26
> 50 lbs Iodized Salt - $9.72
> 50 lbs powdered whole eggs - $138.60
> 250 lbs Instant Milk - $386.35
>
> That's $1065.58 a year for a family of four. $2.92 a day.
Well, now, pilgrim, if you're buying in bulk like that, it might be
$2.92 per day. However, most people have neither a) the space, b) the
access to bulk markets, nor c) the monetary ability to buy in bulk.
So we end up with them going to their local supermarket. Where the
costs that I mention are a reasonable approximation for cornmeal,
flour, baking powder, salt, eggs, milk, and beans for one meal (i.e.,
around $2). And BTW, I can't find powdered whole eggs at my local
supermarket, and a 2lb box of powdered milk (that I bought for camping
trips) was priced at over $5 i.e. $2.50 a pound... how the hell did
you find 250 pounds of instant milk for less than $500?!
So, when was the last time you cooked? When was the last time you
actually cooked up some beans and cornbread? When was the last time
you went to a supermarket and actually bought food? For me, it wasn't
very long ago, and mine actually cost more than that because I put a
pound of sausage ($2.50) into the beans too in order to add fat to the
diet (fat is necessary for proper development of a child's growing
brain, in case you don't know... but oh, I forget, you want them to
grow up retarded stupid so that you have ignorant stoop labor to hire
to clean your pool and mow your lawn). Although actually I haven't
baked any cornbread lately, because it would cost several dollars to
do so (in cost of electricity for my oven, and in costs to remove that
heat from my house after I baked). Due to the cost of baking, I've
been using tortillas for my bread lately. Oh, I note you don't have
cooking oil in your list of ingredients above, care to tell us how you
cook stuff like eggs without any kind of cooking oil? Care to tell us
how you can grease a pan for baking your cornbread without any cooking
oil? Have you ever cooked at all?!
--
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Eric Lee Green
> "photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bj00m7$7bb$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> <Kanazawa Hemi> wrote in message
>> news:3c545c7b8a48e176...@news.teranews.com...
>> snipped
>> >
>> > Let them plant a garden
> - they are on welfare and not working. There
Unemployed people do not live in houses. Welfare no longer exists as
of 1996, TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) is all that
exists, and it is short-term, limited, and does not pay for
housing. Housing vouchers are accepted generally only by lower-income
apartment complexes built with HUD funds that require acceptance of
said vouchers, and come nowhere near to meeting the need anyhow (there
are generally 100 applicants for each available housing voucher). So what
you have is a lot of people living in rooming houses, homeless shelters,
etc. who have no place to plant a garden.
>> > are also food kitchens, Salvation Army centers and many other free
>> > food sources in most communities. You know that.
Have you ever ate at any of these places? What you'll find is pretty thin
fare. I haven't seen any fat homeless people lately. What they put out
certainly isn't a balanced diet or
>> You seem to enjoy paraphrasing Dickens.
>
> Dickens? Hell, that was the way that we survived the depression.
> Gardening and storing food. Don't knock it. Some people not only want the
So, tell me, Mr. Einstein, if I'm living in a homeless shelter with a
wife and two kids all in one tiny 9x12 room, how the hell do I garden
and store food? We were an agrarian nation prior to WWII, where more
than half the population lived on a farm. That is no longer true
today. Most Americans today live in cities, and have no access to
farmland or ability to purchase farmland even if there were farmland
near them. Farming is a big corporate business today where the
corporations have monopolized most usable (and even most marginal)
farmland, and will sell only in thousand-acre parcels at premium
prices that few people can afford (e.g., $5,000 per acre, $5,000,000
minimum to buy farmland).
Eric Lee Green
> Eric Lee Green wrote:
>> > eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
>> > -*MORT*-
>>
>> Okay, let's see:
>>
>> 1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>
> us.......
>
>> 1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
>
> cheap.
Uhm, I'm talking about the cost of baking it. You have 2 parts
cornmeal, 1 part flour, a couple teaspoons of baking powder, a couple
of eggs, some milk powder and water (or skim milk), a pinch of
salt. Mix. Oil a cast-iron skillet with a couple tablespoons of
cooking oil (one of the mysteriously missing ingredients in this fool
survivalists' list) and heat it to 400 degrees. Pour your batter into
the heated/oiled skillet. Bake 15 to 20 minutes or until golden brown.
I add up the cost of all the ingredients, I come close to 99 cents.
Consider the cost of the cooking fuel, 99 cents is probably an
underestimate. Let's take propane at $1.50 a gallon (probably too
little at the moment). Figure it'll take at least a pint of propane to
heat the oven and pan and bake this cornbread. That's 38 cents worth
of propane.
Some damnfools don't know how to cook, that's all I can
figure. Cornbread is NOT just cornmeal shoved into a pan and somehow
mysteriously turning into bread. It has other ingredients, and has to be
baked.
Actually, corn tortillas might be cheaper, since they are fried, not
baked, and thus don't require so much fuel. They also don't use egg
to hold them together.
> You can get whole chickens for .49 cents a pound. You can
> get a monster bag of rice for 8 bucks. Potatos? 10 pounds
> for 2.50. 12 large eggs for less than a dollar. Onions
> cost nothing. A clove of garlic is .40 cents or so.
Right. And you can probably make a meal for four people for around
$2. Figure a whole chicken is going to weigh about 5 pounds and cost
$2.50, and is going to be our meat for the day. Four people,
remember. Potatos, get eight nice big potatos, about 4 pounds, that's
about 40 cents. For our eggs, let's say we give everybody one egg
apiece per day, that's about 40 cents. Then let's talk about our
bread. Around $1 for a family of four for a day, assuming that bread
is truly our "staff of life" and is most of what is eaten. So we're up
to $2.50 + 40 + 40 +$1 or $4.30. Add in oil, condiments, fuel costs
for cooking, etc. and we're up to around $5. So it is certainly
possible to feed a family of four on the cheap. But $3 a day? Maybe if
you were buying everything in bulk, rather than in supermarket sizes,
but the families we're talking about have no space for bulk purchases,
they're often entire families living in one tiny room.
>> We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
>> for one meal for a family of four.
>
> I think Mort knows exactly what he's talking about.
>
> Did I really just say that? Yeah, I think I did. Wasn't
> Mort an Army cook?
In 1945, maybe. Not in 2004. Look, I cook. I know what I pay for stuff
in my local Albertson's store (the closest store to me). It's
possible to feed a family of four for a day on $5 worth of stuff,
albeit not with any of the veggies recommended for a balanced
diet. But $3? Gimme a break! Only if you're buying 100 pound bags of
everything and running a large commercial operation can you do that.
> I'll bet he could feed 120 of you yappin libbie types for
> .40 cents a portion, soup to nuts.
$1.60 for a meal for a family of four, three meals a day, comes out
to a helluva lot more than $3 a day. It comes out to $4.80, or close
to the $5 that I estimated for your particular menu. And it does NOT
provide everything recommended by the FDA insofar as nutrition is
concerned -- it'll keep life and limb together, but the children will
have nutritional deficiencies that will have adverse effects upon both
their future size/height, and their cognitive development.
Furthermore, that's *LIBERTARIAN*, not *LIBERAL*. Note that I've made
no statements here about what government should or should not do
insofar as family nutrition is concerned (frankly, I believe that all
national programs should be abolished -- the only politics that works
is local politics where people voluntarily join together to help each
other). All I've tried to do is correct information that's 30 years
out of date.
Eric Lee Green
> On 1 Sep 2003 01:30:56 -0500, in a fit of unbridled digital verbosity, once
> again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard, Eric Lee
> Green <er...@badtux.org> two-fingered to all:
>|>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
>|>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
>
Hmm. Okay. Let's say I'm a day laborer in Phoenix. I work all day to
get $20 in cash. I work on the average once every three days (i.e.,
make around $200 per month), but I can't just walk away from my street
corner where I'm standing, if I'm not there nobody can hire me. So
when am I supposed to go hunting for this mythical meal? At night? And
*where*? I understand that people here in Phoenix don't take nicely
to folks walking the streets with loaded rifles, shooting cats and
dogs for the pot (cats and dogs being pretty much the only critters
with enough meat on them to make them worth eating around here).
Eric Lee Green
> On 1 Sep 2003 01:30:56 -0500, Eric Lee Green <er...@badtux.org>
> scribed:
>>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
>>
>>
>>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
>>
>>for one meal for a family of four.
>>
>>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
>
> fine, thank you. True, some leafy greens need to be added, but that's
> food that stretches.
He said "family of four". Three meals. I am quite aware of how well
beans and rice stretch, thank you. Like many poor Southerners of my
era, I grew up eating many a meal that was nothing but beans and rice
and cornbread with some turnip greens or collard greens on the side.
Eric Lee Green
>> > attempt to do that, more private citizens would provide assistance
> like
>> > you.
>>
>> We tried that in the past. We got a Great Depression out of it, with
>> people starving on the streets until government stepped in to feed
> those
>> people.
>
> Huh? The Great Depression was brought about by lowering taxes?
No. But it was solved by raising taxes (and government expenditures).
The point is that private assistance was not adequate to solve the
humanitarian problems of the Great Depression (such as people starving
on the streets). I suggest you look at some of the newsreels of the
era. Look at all the hollow-faced people sitting on the streets,
looking like refugees from a Nazi concentration camp. Government was
small and took little money from pockets at the time, but private
assistance still wasn't adequate to solve the problems of the
era. Herbert Hoover tried for three years to use the "cut taxes and
government expenditures" approach to boosting the economy. It didn't
work.
At least George W. Bush isn't doing a 100% Hoover approach, he's
cutting taxes like Hoover, but not cutting government expenditures
(indeed, his administration appears to spend money like it's going out
of style, with the largest increases in government expenditures,
percentage-wise, since the presidency of FDR). It's like Bush took the
fiscal policies of Herbert Hoover, the fiscal policies of Franklin D.
Roosevelt, and put them together into one box. Bizarre. Very
un-Republican of him. Very Keynesian. Milty Friedman probably starts
foaming at the mouth just thinking about the Bush fiscal policy,
because it appears the Bushies are channeling Keynes, not Friedman,
when it comes to their fiscal policy.
Gunner
>In article <bj0h8g$9ke$0...@206.30.148.139>, rallain ruminated:
>> "photographer" <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bj00m7$7bb$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> <Kanazawa Hemi> wrote in message
>>> news:3c545c7b8a48e176...@news.teranews.com...
>>> snipped
>>> >
>>> > Let them plant a garden
>
>> - they are on welfare and not working. There
>
>Unemployed people do not live in houses. Welfare no longer exists as
>of 1996, TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) is all that
>exists, and it is short-term, limited, and does not pay for
>housing. Housing vouchers are accepted generally only by lower-income
>apartment complexes built with HUD funds that require acceptance of
>said vouchers, and come nowhere near to meeting the need anyhow (there
>are generally 100 applicants for each available housing voucher). So what
>you have is a lot of people living in rooming houses, homeless shelters,
>etc. who have no place to plant a garden.
Thats certainly not true in most of the US. Small towns dont have
rooming houses, homeless shelters etc. They have cheap rental houses.
I live in a dying town, and those on welfare live in rentals. Crappy
ones, but rentals nonetheless.
>
>>> > are also food kitchens, Salvation Army centers and many other free
>>> > food sources in most communities. You know that.
>
>Have you ever ate at any of these places? What you'll find is pretty thin
>fare. I haven't seen any fat homeless people lately. What they put out
>certainly isn't a balanced diet or
>
Actually I have. Ive volunteered in a number of them, and while rather
bland, the food was decent enough for free food.
>>> You seem to enjoy paraphrasing Dickens.
>>
>> Dickens? Hell, that was the way that we survived the depression.
>> Gardening and storing food. Don't knock it. Some people not only want the
>
>So, tell me, Mr. Einstein, if I'm living in a homeless shelter with a
>wife and two kids all in one tiny 9x12 room, how the hell do I garden
>and store food? We were an agrarian nation prior to WWII, where more
>than half the population lived on a farm. That is no longer true
>today. Most Americans today live in cities, and have no access to
>farmland or ability to purchase farmland even if there were farmland
>near them. Farming is a big corporate business today where the
>corporations have monopolized most usable (and even most marginal)
>farmland, and will sell only in thousand-acre parcels at premium
>prices that few people can afford (e.g., $5,000 per acre, $5,000,000
>minimum to buy farmland).
Move to a small town, get a crappy rental, and dig up the yard.
AH#49
In article <3F533C60...@uswest.net>, Alan ruminated:
> > Huh? Check the price of bulk pinto beans, and then get back
> > us.......
" Beans (Pinto). Cost per 2 pound bag: $.79 (ALDI) Cost per
pound, dry: $.40 One cup of dry beans weighs 6.0 oz. One
cup of dry beans yields 2.4 cups of cooked beans. Serving
size: .42 cups of dry beans or 1 cup of cooked beans.
Number of servings per bag: 12.7 Cost per serving: $.064 "
http://pages.prodigy.net/jmiller.cb/s810.html
rallain
"Eric Lee Green" <er...@badtux.org> wrote in message
news:slrnbl9l3...@badtux.org...
Mr. Einstein was knowledgeable in only one area. In most other areas he
had very little knowledge. I have some knowledge in different areas but not
in the one that Einstein had knowledge.
A lot of people that were on welfare are now on SSI. This has taken the
place of welfare in many instances. They also get free medical and
prescriptions that are denied most WORKING people. In Las Vegas a reporter
for the newspaper took lessons from a homeless person and stood on the
street corner as instructed. He averaged about $10 per hour, tax free, and
had he been on SSI would have never lost it. Per Clinton, street people take
priority over veterans at the veteran hospitals.
What you are saying about the size and price of farms may be true in
some areas but it is not true in many areas. My daughter and her husband
bought 88 acres in Indiana, with a brick home (and basement), a pole barn of
recent construction (about 40x60) and near the city of Cincinnati. The cost
was about $150,000. True, this is a high price for a street person to pay
but they are WORKING people. Many places of less acreage can be bought for
far less. I sold a place that had a home, 24x24 garage (like new), a 24x40
new pole barn with 3 1/2 acres for $45,000. This was not far from Chicago.
Ken Ehrett
Does this mean you're sweet on Chris?
>
Maximust
You poor dittoheads... Clinton's been gone for years and you still don't
know the truth. For all I know you sit on a couch in the front yard of your
single-wide mobilhomes and drink canned beer all day.
Bush to Slash Veterans Benefits
By: The AP
Saturday, June 7 2003
WASHINGTON (AP) - Proposed Bush administration changes to veterans' benefits
would jeopardize health care to an estimated 45,000 Ohio veterans,
according to a study released Tuesday by an Ohio congressman.
Bush's budget for 2004, which starts Oct. 1, had proposed cutting off
enrollment for veterans who make more than about $24,000. Veterans above
the income threshold who already are enrolled would be charged a $250
annual fee.
The study was prepared for Rep. Ted Strickland, a Democrat from Lucasville,
Ohio, who is on the House Veterans Affairs Committee.
Strickland projected that about 4,000 of the estimated 173,000 veterans
nationwide who would be excluded from care live in Ohio.
The additional costs would squeeze about 41,000 Ohio veterans out of the
system, including about 14,000 who currently are receiving medical care,
according to the study by the House Committee on Government Reform.
House GOP leaders accused Democrats on Tuesday of distorting the facts
because the president's proposals have not been included in the
already-passed budget document, which lays out spending authority, and are
unlikely to pass separately. The House and Senate veterans affairs
committees have rejected the proposals.
"It's a sad day when the people that this country owes so much to are
misled," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, a Republican from Upper Arlington, Ohio.
Congress has passed a budget plan that increases funding for veterans'
medical care to about $30 billion, which is $1.8 billion more than Bush
proposed for 2004.
"This is a great budget for American veterans," said Veterans Affairs
Chairman Chris Smith, R-N.J.
Still, the plan is only a guide. Details about the Bush proposals to
increase fees and limit access have yet to be worked out.
This year, veterans groups have made it their priority to defeat these
proposals and secure added funding for veterans' benefits. Their efforts
were helped by the Iraq war.
"What we are talking about here is the ability, if we choose to do so, to
serve all the veterans that would be legally entitled to our service
without imposing additional co-payments or without imposing an enrollment
fee," Strickland said.
Another Bush proposal would increase co-payments for higher-income patients
from $15 to $20 for outpatient primary care and from $7 to $15 for
prescription drugs.
These increased fees are expected to cost veterans an additional $97 a year.
The cost could be higher depending on how many prescriptions they use. Ohio
veterans who make more than $24,000 and stay in the program would pay a
combined $11.7 million more a year, the study said.
"When the men and women went into service in the military, they were
promised certain things. And now they are saying, 'If you want what we have
promised you, you have got to pay for it,"' said J.P. Brown, Ohio commander
for AMVETS, a veterans advocacy group.
Brown, who served for two years in Vietnam in the 1960s, said the income
cutoff and increased fees are not the answer to funding problems.
"It will cut off a lot of people who are barely making it as it is and would
throw them into a situation where they won't have any health care," he
said.
Alan
>
> In article <sve7lvsraj46sdg29...@4ax.com>, Robb Nunya ruminated:
> > On 1 Sep 2003 01:30:56 -0500, Eric Lee Green <er...@badtux.org>
> > scribed:
> >>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
> >>
> >>Okay, let's see:
> >>
> >>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
> >>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
> >>
> >>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> >>for one meal for a family of four.
> >>
> >>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
> >>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
> >
> > 1 cup of rice & 1 cup of beans will feed an adult male for 1 meal jsut
> > fine, thank you. True, some leafy greens need to be added, but that's
> > food that stretches.
>
> He said "family of four". Three meals. I am quite aware of how well
> beans and rice stretch, thank you. Like many poor Southerners of my
> era, I grew up eating many a meal that was nothing but beans and rice
> and cornbread with some turnip greens or collard greens on the side.
Looks like I grew up as a Southerner right here in Tucson.
Alan
>
> In article <tr76lv42la3svnfj1...@4ax.com>, Scott Rutter ruminated:
> > On 1 Sep 2003 01:30:56 -0500, Eric Lee Green <er...@badtux.org> wrote:
> >>> eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
> >>> -*MORT*-
> >>
> >>Okay, let's see:
> >>
> >>1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
> >>1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
> >>
> >>We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> >>for one meal for a family of four.
> >>
> >>Care to give us your menu for a family of 4 eating on $3.00 a day?
> >>Do you add a pone of cornbread for supper? No breakfast? Or what?
> >
> > You start by not shopping at 7-11.
>
> I was shopping at Albertson's.
>
> > Figure two adults and two children in the 7-12 age bracket you can
> > keep all four fed for a year on the following:
> > 800 lbs of Red Wheat - $137.76
>
> I don't see 800 pound bags of Red Wheat at Albertson's. I couldn't afford
> to buy 800 lbs of wheat anyhow back in the days when I was on minimum wage.
>
> > 175 lbs Hulled Barley - $26.81
>
> I don't see 175 pound hulled barley bags at Albertson's.
Do you see that trap you've fell into?
I don't see bags of dried beans at the 7-11, either. Sure
is easy to find the 7-11, however.
Maybe I should just buy twinkies?
2 strips of bacon would do the same thing, at a fraction of
the cost. You made your own choices. Don't act like
they're the only choices.
>Although actually I haven't
> baked any cornbread lately, because it would cost several dollars to
> do so (in cost of electricity for my oven, and in costs to remove that
> heat from my house after I baked). Due to the cost of baking, I've
> been using tortillas for my bread lately. Oh, I note you don't have
> cooking oil in your list of ingredients above, care to tell us how you
> cook stuff like eggs without any kind of cooking oil? Care to tell us
> how you can grease a pan for baking your cornbread without any cooking
> oil? Have you ever cooked at all?!
>
Short answer? He blew it.
Alan
>
> In article <3F533C60...@uswest.net>, Alan ruminated:
> > Eric Lee Green wrote:
> >> > eat well for $3.00 a day. A family of 4 can eat on around $3.00 a day. It
> >> > -*MORT*-
> >>
> >> Okay, let's see:
> >>
> >> 1 pound of dry beans -- 99 cents.
> >
> > Huh? Check the price of bulk pinto beans, and then get back
> > us.......
> >
> >> 1 pone of cornbread - 99 cents.
> >
> > Who buys cornbread? Asnwer: nobody because cornmeal is dirt
> > cheap.
>
> Uhm, I'm talking about the cost of baking it.
No, you were talking out your ass. You have a bad habit of
doing that, Eric.
I can't help but notice you've failed to address your
overstatement of the cost of beans by a factor of 5.
Were you also "including" the cost of an onion, jalapenos,
some sage, garlic, and perhaps an after dinner smoke?
>You have 2 parts
> cornmeal, 1 part flour, a couple teaspoons of baking powder, a couple
> of eggs, some milk powder and water (or skim milk), a pinch of
> salt. Mix. Oil a cast-iron skillet with a couple tablespoons of
> cooking oil (one of the mysteriously missing ingredients in this fool
> survivalists' list) and heat it to 400 degrees. Pour your batter into
> the heated/oiled skillet. Bake 15 to 20 minutes or until golden brown.
>
> I add up the cost of all the ingredients, I come close to 99 cents.
> Consider the cost of the cooking fuel, 99 cents is probably an
> underestimate. Let's take propane at $1.50 a gallon (probably too
> little at the moment). Figure it'll take at least a pint of propane to
> heat the oven and pan and bake this cornbread. That's 38 cents worth
> of propane.
>
> Some damnfools don't know how to cook, that's all I can
> figure.
I agree, but I disagree as to which people those damn fools
are.
>Cornbread is NOT just cornmeal shoved into a pan and somehow
> mysteriously turning into bread. It has other ingredients, and has to be
> baked.
>
> Actually, corn tortillas might be cheaper, since they are fried, not
> baked, and thus don't require so much fuel. They also don't use egg
> to hold them together.
>
> > You can get whole chickens for .49 cents a pound. You can
> > get a monster bag of rice for 8 bucks. Potatos? 10 pounds
> > for 2.50. 12 large eggs for less than a dollar. Onions
> > cost nothing. A clove of garlic is .40 cents or so.
>
> Right. And you can probably make a meal for four people for around
> $2. Figure a whole chicken is going to weigh about 5 pounds and cost
> $2.50, and is going to be our meat for the day. Four people,
> remember. Potatos, get eight nice big potatos, about 4 pounds, that's
> about 40 cents. For our eggs, let's say we give everybody one egg
> apiece per day, that's about 40 cents. Then let's talk about our
> bread. Around $1 for a family of four for a day, assuming that bread
> is truly our "staff of life" and is most of what is eaten. So we're up
> to $2.50 + 40 + 40 +$1 or $4.30. Add in oil, condiments, fuel costs
> for cooking, etc. and we're up to around $5. So it is certainly
> possible to feed a family of four on the cheap. But $3 a day?
I sure wouldn't have used that figure, but it can be done.
>Maybe if
> you were buying everything in bulk, rather than in supermarket sizes,
> but the families we're talking about have no space for bulk purchases,
> they're often entire families living in one tiny room.
You have to do what you have to do. Whining about it serves
nobody. Pun intended.
> >> We're up to $2.00 with the cheapest foods on the market, and that's
> >> for one meal for a family of four.
> >
> > I think Mort knows exactly what he's talking about.
> >
> > Did I really just say that? Yeah, I think I did. Wasn't
> > Mort an Army cook?
>
> In 1945, maybe. Not in 2004. Look, I cook. I know what I pay for stuff
> in my local Albertson's store (the closest store to me).
I see one of your problems already. Albertson's is rather
overpriced.
> It's
> possible to feed a family of four for a day on $5 worth of stuff,
> albeit not with any of the veggies recommended for a balanced
> diet. But $3? Gimme a break! Only if you're buying 100 pound bags of
> everything and running a large commercial operation can you do that.
>
> > I'll bet he could feed 120 of you yappin libbie types for
> > .40 cents a portion, soup to nuts.
>
> $1.60 for a meal for a family of four, three meals a day, comes out
> to a helluva lot more than $3 a day. It comes out to $4.80, or close
> to the $5 that I estimated for your particular menu. And it does NOT
> provide everything recommended by the FDA insofar as nutrition is
> concerned
Read it again. SOUP TO NUTS. I was *not* describing the
literal path the soup would take to your table.
Alan
Hmn, I wuz thinking .21 cents a pound at the bulk section in
most supermarkets veggie section.
Alan
One would have thought that about Chris and Mort, but
no.....