Re: [Ayrshire History] Glengarnock Railway Cottages

[T Hunter and D Godfrey]

Hi - Don't know this specific place, but in general with this kind of problem, you should think of it not as "in" the village. It of course would be near a railway, and that was probably serving a coal mine. It might have come and gone over a few years, or survived for a long time. This type of cottage row might be some distance from the named village. First you need to check gazeteers of Scottish place names, to find out about the village and how it changed over the decades and when they got a railway. Gazeteers are issued every decade or so and are dictionaries of place names.

 

Check for village histories, and Scottish or Ayrshire local history publications.  Paterson's History of Ayr 1876 would be a good start which it's histories are listed by town and village. Don't forget parish boundaries are only civil and religious boundaries - try all the surrounding parishes of the one you are interested in too.  Then compile a series of old maps, so you follow the growth of the villages in a combination of gazeteers and maps. Start much earlier than you need, and get to understand the area, and the old place names, and the layout of the land. This will give you an understanding of all the railways in the area. Cottage rows near the lines will be marked.

 

There will be local railway history enthusiasts who can tell you about those too - don't just stick to genealogical or historical research. Also note, from the above sources, the local landowners who owned the railways and mines in the area. The cottages, railway and mines might have only lasted a few decades, and long since disappeared. But there might be business or estate records from the owners or their families. This is how I finally traced my own HUNTER ancestors, who lived near Dreghorn in the l850's.  My HUNTERS are all in the Irvine, Dreghorn, Perceton ( their row house), and Kilwinning area.  There are lots of Hunters. And don't forget the Clan Hunter Society either !

 

Genealogy is very much about putting your ancestors in their time and in their place, and watching those change over time. And finally, don't leave out searching old newspapers - I found that my ancestor was working on a private estate's coal mine, as the mine was mentioned in a newspaper article in the Ayr Advertiser because they were having a strike. These newspapers are slowly being indexed, and will be on line in a few years. But you can just sit and read them page by page on microfilm. I was lucky to read the original copies at Colindale, the British Newspaper Library in north London which was very exciting, as another way to get close to my ancestors - read their newspapers.

 

Terri in Canada

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From: Sharon Beddard

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Subject: [Ayrshire History] Glengarnock Railway Cottages

Hi there!

I have strong family roots in Dalry/Kilbirnie/Glengarnock and during my research I have discovered several addresses on the census that I would like to locate.  The most elusive one is "12 Railway Cottages" in the village of Glengarnock.  My Gt Gt Grandfather Daniel HUNTER lived there with his family in 1911 (and for many years I believe) and would love to know if these cottages still exist and if their are any historic photos around.  My trawl on Google Maps didn't prove to fruitful.

Would love to hear from anyone who has links to the above towns or the HUNTERs who originated from Ayr.  Many other research names (CAIRNS, GAIR, CARSWELL, JENKINS) and lots of info that I am willing to share!

Cheers

Sharon Beddard (nee HUNTER)

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[Tookie Bunten]

Hi all, 

I find this resource to be great when looking for old streets. On line access to old maps of Scotland and they can me overlaid over the current google maps. Try looking here. It might help.

http://maps.nls.uk/

Thanks

Tookie

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[amy dorian]

The railway cottages were accessed accross the road from what is now Glengarnock Station which you will find on any up to date map. I had a relative who lost an arm taking a short cut accross the lines to get home from school quicker. Hope this helps.

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM, <goo...@gatesidenursery.co.uk> wrote:

I had a quick look for you on flikr  and found a few photos . Being a bit of a local (Beith) I can have a good guess where they woud have been sited but I'm sure they have gone.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=railway+cottages+glengarnock&m=text

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[Geoff]

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I can see about 6 cottages right near the station that are probably really  twelve and look the right age Shirley 

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[Bigpond.com]

My husband who grew up in a Glenburn says there was a big steel industry in Glengarnock,hence the large railway ,still large on Google Earth.I saw there were a couple  of old 'rows, each side of the railway.Bet one of these was Railway Cottages.Have you tried zooming into their fronts on Google Earth to see if any of them have retained the original name of the row,eg Railway Cottage.Im my experience if you keep looking long enough you find anything.

While on a geographical topic,I am also looking for a location.During his childhood my husband visited his Grandma each Sunday.They left Prestwick,got off the bus at Bogend Toll,turned left and walked miles (he was quite young may have been a couple) passed the sign that said Dundonald,then came to a big long driveway,that led up to a church with a tower and a clock,at the side of the church was a set of stone steps ,down these steps was the cottage where his Gran lived.Names Hannah and Bob Smith.Trawled every inch of that area,can't find it.? anyone live there or got  any ideas? It.s worrying me not being able to solve this mystery .

Regards Shirley 

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On 13/01/2013, at 5:05 AM, "T Hunter and D Godfrey" <ta...@telus.net> wrote:

[T Hunter and D Godfrey]

Hi :

 

Well it is probably not the same one, but there was a church in Dreghorn Parish (could have been over the border in Dundonald Parish) that matches that description. When I was visiting Dreghorn about 15 years ago I asked about the very large church on overgrown land, up the end of its own road. I was told it was a closed up late 19th century Methodist Church, and that many of these redundant churches were being taken down or sold off. 

 

The road to this one was on the right hand side off the main road going east out of Dreghorn ( ie south side of the Dreghorn road) and was reached by a long lane. The right turn to this church was somewhere near the left turn to Perceton.

 

Happily I was told in Dregorn that this particular church was not being destroyed - it was going to be shipped to Japan as a wedding chapel !  So one could have walked from Bogend near Symington to that church from Symington, but it would be quite a hike for a little one. Though my little one once managed 4 miles when small ! 

 

I think you should try an old directory for churches that existed in your time frame in the surrounding parishes. Then contact the Methodists or whoever, about records of closed "redundant" is the word used, churches and chapels. 

[Bigpond.com]

Thankyou  Godfrey,I sill return to Google St and follow your directions,Hugh is convinced that he will recognise the place if he sees it.After all the cottage may be there in some form even if the church is not.Shirley

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[Bigpond.com]

Ho Terri,well we have just travelled your route via Google St and it's not as he remembers it.Although there are some parts that got his hopes up.Thankyou for helping just the same.

Is there anyone on this list who has any photos which may show Hannah Watson Henderson or Smith after her marriage.Born in 1896. School pictures ? Sunday school pictures? She was born in Annbank Tarlbolton.Lived in Dankeith,and then  Symington,where she died.I would be so happy to see what she looked like after 7 years of searching for her and her family . Shirley 

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[campbell thomas]

There is a police officer Bob Smith (maybe now Inspector) who polices or used to police that area. Given the name and the nature of your inquiry he may be able to help you out if Strathclyde Police can put you in touch with him. 

Try calling their contact centre on 01563 505000 and ask to be put through to him, or leave your number. Tell the operator it's personal so they don't try and fob you off.

Campbell Thomas

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Subject: Re: [Ayrshire History] Glengarnock Railway Cottages
From: shirley...@bigpond.com
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:36:03 +1000
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[Bigpond.com]

Thankyou Shirley 

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[Caroline Arnold]

Hi Folks,

There was a site called newcumnock.net which may be of assistance. I'm not sure if it still exists.

 I haven't looked at it for a quite a while, but they do have a lot of info on Ayrshire families and many old photos. They also have an enquiry forum where you can ask about the people you would like to find..or their descendants.  You can also read previous posts which may hold some answers.

Just a thought, hope it helps.

Nan

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Subject: Re: [Ayrshire History] old church location ?
From: shirley...@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:25:13 +1000
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[Bigpond.com]

Thankyou Nan,I'll look into it. Shirley 

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[James Donnelly]

Hi
Unfortunately , or fortunately the Railway Cottages were demolished years ago and replaced by a light industrial development.
The Railway Cottages were part of a complex known locally as the Raws. There were two rows of cottages - the ones facing the railway tracks were known as the Railway Cottages and another row separated by a lane way which housed the wash houses. This lane was called the Dummy Lane and hence this row of houses was known as the Dummy Lane cottages
The cottages were built to house the workers that worked at the Glengarnock Steelworks which also has been demolished.
I have a 20 page article written by a local fellow describing the Raws and the living conditions if you are interested
My Grandmother lived in the Dummy Lane cottages and I spent considerable time there growing up so I am quite familiar with the Raws
Regards, Jim

[James Donnelly]

Hi Sharon,

I grew up at the Railway Cottages in Glengarnock when I was very young

The Railway cottages were part of a complex which were originally for the workers of what became known as the Glengarnock Steelworks.

The area was known as the Raws.

The Railway Cottages were adjacent to the rail line to Glasgow and in fact faced the tracks

My Grandmother lived in the next row of cottages backing onto the Railway Cottages. They were separated by a laneway and the wash houses

The laneway was known as the Dummy Lane and these cottages were known as the Dummy Lane cottages

I am very familiar with the Raws

A local historian has compiled a history of the Raws giving a description of the people and living conditions which may be of interest to you

Unfortunately the Railway Cottages- or fortunately- were demolished quite a while ago as was the Steelworks and the Raws

The were replaced with a light industrial complex 

Let me know if I can give you more info

Regards, jim

[Amanda Davidson CFPcm]

Your e mail is very interesting. Would you be kind enough to e mail me the 20 page article you refer to? I'd be pleased to have it.

My e mail is:

Amanda....@baigriedavies.co.uk

Many thanks
Amanda


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[James Donnelly]

Hi Amy,

I stand corrected- The person who lost his arm was John Mcghee, probably your relative. I knew him and his family while growing up in Glengarnock

I do not think that any photos of the Railway Cottages exist on Google Earth. I did check and notice that the area where they existed as well as the Steelworks have been demolished and replaced by an industrial estate on the Google Earth photos

[ther...@telus.net]

Hello I think you emailed the wrong person on this one. just to let you know

 

thank you

 

Ther...@telus.net

 

Theresa

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