"orth" column in the datasets

[Christopher Brückner]

Hi,

I hope it's ok to ask my question here. I am a bit confused about the "orth" column in the Russian and Finnish datasets.

According to the readme, the "orth" column contains "the target word in an old spelling (if applicable)." However, this seems inconsistent between the two languages:

• In Russian, each target word is assigned one old spelling. Both are given in their base forms, but they can appear in inflected forms in the example sentences. Old examples use the old spelling (orth) and new examples use the new spelling.
• In Finnish, the "orth" column contains many different variations which are inflected in the exact ways they appear in the examples. This applies to both old and new examples, i.e., the new target word is never used, and the new examples also use an old spelling given in the "orth" column.

Can you please clarify that? I don't know any Finnish, though I realize that the "new" examples here are much older than the Russian ones.

Thanks,

Christopher

[Andrey Kutuzov]

Hi Christopher,

Thanks for your interest!

Indeed, the usage of the "orth" column is slightly different for Finnish
and Russian. In the Finnish dataset, it contains the target word form
_as it occurs in the usage example_ (it is actually automatically
extracted from the usage example). In the Russian dataset, it contains
_the dictionary form (lemma) of the target word in the XIX century
spelling_.

You can look at the "orth" column as a "legacy" field, it is not really
required for the shared task and is provided just in case.

Also, note that we have updated the Russian datasets (see my message in
this group yesterday), and now all the Russian definitions and examples
use the modern spelling. This makes the "orth" column even less
relevant, but you can still use it if you want.

Hope this helps.

On 14.03.2024 16:50, Christopher Brückner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hope it's ok to ask my question here. I am a bit confused about the
> "orth" column in the Russian and Finnish datasets.
>
> According to the readme, the "orth" column contains "the target word in
> an old spelling (if applicable)." However, this seems inconsistent
> between the two languages:
>

> * In Russian, each target word is assigned one old spelling. Both are

> given in their base forms, but they can appear in inflected forms in
> the example sentences. Old examples use the old spelling (orth) and
> new examples use the new spelling.

> * In Finnish, the "orth" column contains many different variations

> which are inflected in the exact ways they appear in the examples.
> This applies to both old and new examples, i.e., the new target word
> is never used, and the new examples also use an old spelling given
> in the "orth" column.
>
> Can you please clarify that? I don't know any Finnish, though I realize
> that the "new" examples here are much older than the Russian ones.
>
> Thanks,
> Christopher
>

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