Re: Sale of house in AWHO township
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Maj Gen RK Arora
Jul 24, 2011, 8:32:19 AM7/24/11
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I fully understand your point of view.
And I am not sure if it is legal or illegal.
But to my mind if the General Body decides by majority that the
society should impose certain restrictions for the overall good of its
members it will be difficult to oppose the resolution.
All google group members are requested to respond. Interesting topic!!
And I am not sure if it is legal or illegal.
But to my mind if the General Body decides by majority that the
society should impose certain restrictions for the overall good of its
members it will be difficult to oppose the resolution.
All google group members are requested to respond. Interesting topic!!
On 24 July 2011 17:23, sudhanshu.chaturvedi
<sudhanshu....@prozone.co.in> wrote:
> Dear Sir
>
> Recently the Residents Welfare association(RWA) at Greater Noida( AWHO)
> passed a resolution restricting the sale of houses to Armed forces personnel
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> only. To my mind this resolution by the RWA is not only arbitrary but also
> illegal in that it is against the AWHO charter that does not lay down any
> such
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> restrictions. Numerous deals have taken place in similar AWHO township in
> the country in the past. This resolution Sir is both unfair and illogical as
> a
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> uniform policy is required to be followed in all AWHO township. The irony
> is that there is no restriction on renting out to civilians. The RWA does
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> reserve the right to grant/ refuse NOC to any civilian buyer but by laying
> down a blanket ban they are reducing the market value of these properties. I
>
>
> had booked this flat in 1997 when I was not even sure as to where I would
> settle down. Have moved to Mumbai and even by sale of a 4 BHK luxury
> apartment
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> in Greater Noida I cannot afford a one room apartment in the suburbs. Thus
> such arbitrary restrictions need to be removed. I request your kind
>
> intervention in this regard. I am certain with your seniority and pragmatism
> you would be able to prevail upon the RWA to withdraw such unilateral
>
> resolutions
>
> Regards,
>
> Sudhanshu
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>
>
>
rajit mishra
Jul 24, 2011, 8:46:15 AM7/24/11
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| selling of a dwelling unit is a legal matter. RWA cannot dictate law. A number of units have been sold in the past. For all u know an indl needs money desperately to pay of debt and civilian buyer is paying handsomely. --- On Sun, 24/7/11, Maj Gen RK Arora <maj.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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Bipin Pandey
Jul 24, 2011, 9:02:58 AM7/24/11
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I understand the member's point of view. There are two issues to be considered. One - whether society can legally restrict sale of flats to people other than Armed Forces personnel and two - should the society do it especially for reasons of restricting the market size and therefore the market value.
The RWA Society has the authority and powers to decide who should and should not become part the society. They are very much within their legal rights to decide that the flats can only be sold to Armed Forces personnel. There are several such rulings given in favour of the society by various courts in the country.
However, in the larger interest of the members, should the society have taken a decision is a moot
question that needs to be debated. The fundamental premise on which AWHO was formed is that it is a welfare organisation created with the sole purpose of providing affordable dwelling units to the Army personnel at lower than market cost and on no profit no loss basis. Now do we consider the interest of a few members who are currently part of the society and want to sell their dwelling units or the interest of all the Army personnel at large who may want to have a house of their own in any of the AWHO colonies.
Best Regards,
Bipin Pandey
Bipin Pandey
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Sudhanshu Chaturvedi
Jul 24, 2011, 9:09:09 AM7/24/11
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Sir
The house was purchased by the members from AWHO based on certain understanding or terms and conditions agreed between the buyer and seller. Can the RWA later change those conditions. In Gurgaon and elsehwhere in AWHO township no such restrictions are in place. Hence is this move not discriminatory.
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The house was purchased by the members from AWHO based on certain understanding or terms and conditions agreed between the buyer and seller. Can the RWA later change those conditions. In Gurgaon and elsehwhere in AWHO township no such restrictions are in place. Hence is this move not discriminatory.
Regards
Sudhanshu
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Mrs Kalpna Sharma
Jul 24, 2011, 9:09:38 AM7/24/11
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I wish 2 buy 2 flats 2/3/4BHK anyone selling please contact directly without dealers or middlemen for an army officer's widow on priority.
please tell ur know owners if any one wish to sell
post letter HNo- 1F-402 AWHO Greater Noida
call 01204113691 or 9457759287
Col (Retd) SP Sharma
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:02:58 -0700
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Mrs Kalpna Sharma
Jul 24, 2011, 9:13:18 AM7/24/11
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SIR, I wish 2 buy 2 flats 2/3/4BHK anyone selling please contact directly without dealers or middlemen for an army officer's widow on priority.
please tell ur know owners if any one wish to sell
post letter HNo- 1F-402 AWHO Greater Noida
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:02:19 +0530
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Kiraninder Brar
Jul 24, 2011, 10:55:21 AM7/24/11
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Sir, I fully endorse the view that sale of flat should not be restricted to army officers only. This restriction is totally uncalled for and has several disadvantages including devaluation of our property and reduced rentals as well. Yes RWA can surely interview the prospective buyer to see that he would be fit enough to be an integral part of our society, but it should be a fair judgement and not unjust and partial one against a civilian individual.
Sir, also is RWA so active so as to are they monitoring the rents on which the flats have been hired out? Have the owners been told the fixed rentals for various flats, becouse offricer's staying in far flug places have just no idea of prevalent rents there?
Sir, also is RWA so active so as to are they monitoring the rents on which the flats have been hired out? Have the owners been told the fixed rentals for various flats, becouse offricer's staying in far flug places have just no idea of prevalent rents there?
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Y.K. Kapoor
Jul 25, 2011, 6:10:29 AM7/25/11
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I do not think the Society
should get involved in who to sell the Apt to. It will create legal problems & the Society will be in court on this account. Let the members sell who they want to , legally they cannot be stopped. Maj Gen Y K Kapoor, AVSM ( Retd )
should get involved in who to sell the Apt to. It will create legal problems & the Society will be in court on this account. Let the members sell who they want to , legally they cannot be stopped. Maj Gen Y K Kapoor, AVSM ( Retd )
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Sir, I fully endorse the view that sale of flat should not be restricted to army officers only. This restriction is totally uncalled for and has several disadvantages including devaluation of our property and reduced rentals as well. Yes RWA can surely interview the prospective buyer to see that he would be fit enough to be an integral part of our society, but it should be a fair judgement and not unjust and partial one against a civilian individual. Sir, also is RWA so active so as to are they monitoring the rents on which the flats have been hired out? Have the owners been told the fixed rentals for various flats, becouse offricer's staying in far flug places have just no idea of prevalent rents there?
Subject: Re: AWHO-GrNoida_ Re: Sale of house in AWHO townshipTo: awho-g...@googlegroups.comFrom: sudhanshu....@prozone.co.inDate: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:09:09 +0000SirThe house was purchased by the members from AWHO based on certain understanding or terms and conditions agreed between the buyer and seller. Can the RWA later change those conditions. In Gurgaon and elsehwhere in AWHO township no such restrictions are in place. Hence is this move not discriminatory. RegardsSudhanshuSent on my BlackBerry
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| selling of a dwelling unit is a legal matter. RWA cannot dictate law. A number of units have been sold in the past. For all u know an indl needs money desperately to pay of debt and civilian buyer is paying handsomely. --- On Sun, 24/7/11, Maj Gen RK Arora <maj.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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upendra mathur
Jul 25, 2011, 9:27:16 AM7/25/11
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As of today one can get a service officer serving or retd willing to buy at the same price as a civilian would.
I agree with the RWA that once civilians start buying then the club, ECHS, CSD Canteen coming up in the complex will be rendered ineffective. Defence Colony, New Delhi was for the defence personnel who lost their land during partition. Now hardly 10% services veterans are owning property there. This does not effect as other infrastructure for service personnel does not exist.
This is a gated colony and not a open colony like Noida.
I think a lot of veterans (Senior & super senior) residing in Noida on second & third floor are wanting to buy flats in our complex and willing to pay the same price a civilian is offering.
These are my personal views, I am not residing in the complex.
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ND Youaraj
Jul 25, 2011, 9:44:08 AM7/25/11
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Prem Pankaj
Jul 25, 2011, 10:23:38 AM7/25/11
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Sir,
The RWA should rather be concentrating on improving the the quality of services they are providing. They should not try to impinge on the rights of the owner if at all he decides to sell his flat. Advisories & guidelines are okay but then that is where it should stop.
Lt Col(Retd) Prem Pankaj
Col. V.K. Sharma
Jul 25, 2011, 9:25:30 PM7/25/11
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sir,
I am also of the veiw that RWA should not get involved in sale & purchase of flat business. Society should spend more time on development & security of the AWHO complex & frame rules to keep it a model residential complex of NCR & SET EXAMPLE for others to follow.
Tagra Raho
COL ( RETD ) V K SKARMA
I - 804 mob 09899112515
MP Singh
Jul 26, 2011, 2:27:03 AM7/26/11
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Society is made by people. and is known by people who live there. If we want a good society we should consider the educational, cultural, and professional background of the buyer. Those who have invested in AWHO Gurjinder Vihar housing scheme for commercial purpose are singularly interested in the paying capacity of the buyer. They'd be least concerned about other aspects of the buyer that usually determine the acceptability of a buyer in a good society. I suggest that RWA should define a policy and lay down the guidelines for selling / renting the flats. It should be duly approved by majority in a general body meeting. The RWA should have no right to intervene in any sale / rental matters if the prospect fufills the criteria.
If we build it into a good society, the rental value as well as the sale value of the flats will rise. The RWA must focus on improving the security, services, cleanliness, and beau
tification of the area.
Col MP Singh (retd)
1B-402
Gurjinder Vihar
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I do not think the Society
should get involved in who to sell the Apt to. It will create legal problems & the Society will be in court on this account. Let the members sell who they want to , legally they cannot be stopped. Maj Gen Y K Kapoor, AVSM ( Retd )
should get involved in who to sell the Apt to. It will create legal problems & the Society will be in court on this account. Let the members sell who they want to , legally they cannot be stopped. Maj Gen Y K Kapoor, AVSM ( Retd )
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Sir, I fully endorse the view that sale of flat should not be restricted to army officers only. This restriction is totally uncalled for and has several disadvantages including devaluation of our property and reduced rentals as well. Yes RWA can surely interview the prospective buyer to see that he would be fit enough to be an integral part of our society, but it should be a fair judgement and not unjust and partial one against a civilian individual. Sir, also is RWA so active so as to are they monitoring the rents on which the flats have been hired out? Have the owners been told the fixed rentals for various flats, becouse offricer's staying in far flug places have just no idea of prevalent rents there?
Subject: Re: AWHO-GrNoida_ Re: Sale of house in AWHO township To: awho-g...@googlegroups.com From: sudhanshu....@prozone.co.in Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:09:09 +0000 Sir The house was purchased by the members from AWHO based on certain understanding or terms and conditions agreed between the buyer and seller. Can the RWA later change those conditions. In Gurgaon and elsehwhere in AWHO township no such restrictions are in place. Hence is this move not discriminatory. Regards Sudhanshu Sent on my BlackBerry
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gulshan sahdev
Jul 26, 2011, 2:43:21 AM7/26/11
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in most societies, the RWA conducts an interview of the proposed buyer. kin of servicemen/xsm are permitted and other professionals with good background are permitted to buy the flats. the interview is basically to deny entry to the noveou rich rural people who may not fit into the society for whom the complex was created. so the entry of civilians could be screened to permit professionals into the society.
as far as rentals go, the society would have to depend on civilians for occupancy and for the members to get a good return.
Gulshan Sahdev
as far as rentals go, the society would have to depend on civilians for occupancy and for the members to get a good return.
Gulshan Sahdev
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Jul 26, 2011, 3:14:26 AM7/26/11
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I fully support the views expressed by Col MP & Gulshan. We all form the society & select RWA for desired improvements .RWA body considers and evaluates all logical aspects before deciding on an issue. Every one is well aware of consequences of Noida defence sectors where origimal allottees are facing the brunt of allowing....@¥€.in the township and thus spoiling the envt. Kindly be pragmatic on this issue for the sake of overall happiness of residents of GVGN,
Regards,
Col. Ravibhatt
1-L-402
Regards,
Col. Ravibhatt
1-L-402
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