Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

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Sanjeev Chhikara

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Sep 27, 2013, 4:00:23 AM9/27/13

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Dear Friends/Members,

1. From the mails on various issues it appears that a select few are trying their very very hard to complicate simple matters/issues for,probably, vested interests.

2. Every owner be it civilian or defence, is a bonafide member of the society with equal rights to all common facilities except for special facilities provided by the central govt for the defence personnel (serving and retd) and their dependents.

3. We have bought our flats as per the terms and conditions of the AWHO and not the RWA/Management Committee. Any other restrictions are illegal and unwarranted especially with respect to sale/purchase of flats by the allottees. It is beyond the charter of duties of the RWA/MC which is primarily maintenance and management of the common facilities and services.

4. No amount is charged either from the seller or the buyer, it is against the law. The RWA/MC is already charging double the justified maintenance charges from the members and hence must have huge amount of surplus fund, if not siphoned of. As on date, there no transparency in respect of funds/accounts of the society. When asked to present/show the detailed accounts, the management mounts on the member asking for it and give hundred reasons for not showing accounts. So, there is a need to review the annual expenditure of the society and maintenance charges in the GBM.

5. Bye laws being drafted must not be tilted in favour of those who want to make their livelihood from the society funds/free services and also those who are too scared of the civilian brethren. We must look after the interest of the serving members also. Bye laws must not be only in favour of and biased towards the retired services (army personnel) who are residing in the Society only. Bye laws must be for the benefit of every member.

6. MD AWHO must also ensure that the basic terms and conditions at the time of making application/registration in the scheme are not tempered with by the vested interests.

Regards,

Sanjeev (E-108)

From: Rahul Kumar <rahu...@yahoo.com>
To: AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

Col Gurdev,

The law above is salient on the flat being sold to a civilian.

Though it does say that the owner if accepted by the AWHO shall become a member.

There are options with us to either accept or refuse the civilian owners if that it implies?

However, civilian tenants are not allowed as per the above laws.

rgds

rahul

On Friday, 27 September 2013 10:44 AM, gurdev singh <gurdev...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Sir,
I request you to refer to para 5 of the GVIA rules and which says,

5.   Eligibility for Membership.
a)      All members/associate members of RWA, GurjinderVihar and serving/ retired Army personnel of AWHO Phase-IV, Greater Noida shall be eligible to become permanent members (here-after called members for the purpose of these rules) of the GVAI on payment ofa refundablesecurity of Rs.25,000/-. A member shall lose his/her right of membership if he/she demits the ownership of his/her property whether by sale, transfer or power of attorney or otherwise.
b)      Serving/retired defence services personnel residing in GurjinderVihar as tenants or anywhere at Greater Noida may join as associate members of the GVAI on approval of their Application by the GVAI Council and on payment of a security of Rs. 50,000/-
Note:-
                                  I.            Member/Associate Member shall include spouse, sons, daughters and a maximum of two grand children staying with their grandparents. Nominations to be filed by parents/grandparents and these cannot be changed.  Any other family members will be treated as guests.
II The spouse of a member shall have all the privileges normally enjoyed by a member except the right to vote.

Please link above para with para 4 of RWA bye-laws which says,
4. Members and Associate Members of the Association : -
(a)     Members.
i.  All persons who have been allotted/subsequently allotted apartments (Dwelling Units) in, GURJINDER VIHAR, ARMY WELFARE HOUSING ORGANISATION (AWHO) TOWNSHIP, POCKET-5, SECTOR CHI-1, GREATER NOIDA, GAUTAM BUDH NAGAR – 201308 by Army Welfare Housing Organisation (AWHO) and have executed a deed of apartment shall automatically be the members of the Association and shall receive a copy of the bye-laws.
ii.  Upon the death of member, the legal heir  as accepted by the AWHO shall automatically become  member of the Association after title of  apartment is transferred on his/her name.
   iii.  Upon the sale of apartment to serving/retired Army personnel, the purchaser of the Apartment being serving /retired Armypersonnel shall automatically become permanent member of the Association after title of  apartment is transferred on his/her name and shall be admitted as member on payment of entrance fee of rupees Twenty Thousands only.
   iv. Members will have a right to vote in all matters of the Association.
(b) Associate Members. Upon the sale of apartment to serving/retired Navy /Air force personnel, the purchaser being serving/retired Navy/Air Force person shall automatically become associate member of the Association after title of apartment is transferred on his/her name and shall be admitted as Associate member on payment of the entrance fee of fifty thousand rupees. Upon the death of associate member, his legal heir as accepted by the AWHO shall automatically become associate member of the Association after the title of apartment is transferred on his/her name.  In case where a legal heir of an associate member is a serving/retired army person, he shall automatically become a member under provisions of Paragraph 4(a-ii) above. An Associate member will not have the right to vote in matters of the Association.

Hope the doubts are clear now,the apartment can be transferred to legal heir and he/she can become member of GVIA and similarly children/ grand children over 21 years can also become members.

Regards
Col Gurdev Singh

From: Tich Bakshi <tichb...@gmail.com>
To: AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

Gentlemen,
Can we have the rules framed, approved and applied for now to get the institution functioning as per Army Ethos with proviso for future course plotting/correction? I think we all understand the situations can develop in ways more weird than we can imagine. The american constitution will be dwarfed by our's, but seems to be working much better. Very detailed rules need not be the best rules.

On 19 September 2013 19:45, Rahul Kumar <rahu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Rajat,

Thats again a complicated loop!

So what happens if the child of an offr (residing in AWHO and not in forces)who is married and having kids unfortunately passes away?

Logically the grand child of an offr should also be given the membership?

Rules need to be deliberated and then formed such that we justify to benefit all in society.

rgds
rahul

From: rajit mishra <rajit...@yahoo.co.in>
To: "AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com" <AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2013 11:45 AM

Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

Membership to children of Army pers Subject to residing in the colony should not be denied.

From: Rahul Kumar <rahu...@yahoo.com>
To: "AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com" <AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

Lots of emotion and sentiments!!!

Two sides of the coin -

What happens if the flat is sold to a civilian or is inherited by a civilian - son or daughter and s/he becomes the rightful owner of the flat through the process of law?

Don't they as an owner have the right over the facilities as provided by the org AWHO? Can you stop them from being members of the institute which has no legal standing of being an Army (only)institute? Yes CSD and Med you can stop because that's provided by the Mil Est but this org AWHO does not stand for that.

May be one can give it a cool thought before we start using all adjectives for either side and condemn any?

rgds

rahul kumar
Lt Col (Veteran)

From: D r Semwal <calls...@yahoo.com>
To: "AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com" <AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

In the long term interest of fauji owners of the ARMY WELFARE HOUSING, civilians MUST not be given membership of the club faciity . They are not bastards, thieves, uncouth but majority of them are uncivilised. It is difficult for majority of them to follow decorum of an institute.They KNOW HOW TO UNITE and drag you to lengthy process of courts for trivial persnol gains . We fauji have always remain divided due to various inherited factors of the service and culture and WE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PROTECT OUR INTERESTS except fighting among ourselves.Why invite trouble when it can be kept at bay ? Once inside they will throw you out of steering wheel and take control of the facility created for us out of our money. Don't even think of giving them membership at higher rates. I think society has enough welfare fund.A CLOSE KNITTED COMMUNITY THRIVES AND SURVIVES LONG !!!!!!!!!!
Col D R Semwal 3G/607.

From: shishir kumar <drshish...@yahoo.com>
To: "AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com" <AWHO-Gre...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AWHO-GreaterNoida] Fw: [AWHOGVGN Forum - #65] Fw: CLUB RULES & BYE LAWS

Dear Friends

It is ironical that many of us are getting carried away with civilian bashing.

I don't understand why civilians staying on rent should not be allowed to use the club premises.

A large majority of officers are not staying in the complex and have given their du's on rent, mostly to civilians.

Why would a civilain stay in a society if he--

1. If he is made to feel like an inferior being and shunned as the scum of the earth.

2. Not be allowed in the club reserved only for the elitist faujis ( a reminiscent of the apartheid where Gandhiji was chucked out of the first class compartment)

3. Made to feel like a B grade citizen in today's world of emancipation.

If, most of the houses are on rent and the people in rented units not allowed to use the club then has anybody imagined who would be using the club?

Please do not get carried away by petty prejudices.

Also please give up this elitist attitude, and stop looking down upon others not in uniform.

Civilians are not bastards, thieves, uncouth and uncivilised as most of you have ingrained in your mind.

In fact a few civilains in the club ill break the monotony of "when I was posted to/when i was commanding......' conversation, which is the cornerstone of the so called enlightning conversation carried out in fauji clubs.

Shishir

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- tichbakshi