Example for the day 08/13/2010

[Karthik Vaidhinathan]

नमः सर्वेभ्यः।

Today, instead of an example, let us look at a question. Please try identifying places where the rule हलि सर्वेषाम्। 8.3.22 has been used in the following गीता-श्लोकः (or whether it has been used at all).

अत्र शूरा महेष्वासा भीमार्जुनसमा युधि।

ययुधानो विराटश्च द्रुपदश्च महारथः। गीता 1.4

I will post the answer in tomorrow's mail.

Thanks and Regards

Karthik

[Vasudha Chavali]

Similarly others also.

[Vasudha Chavali]

Karthik Ji Namaste !!

I got a little bit of  courage.
This is my trail and error.

अत्र शूराः महेष्वासाः भीमार्जुनसमाः युधि

युयुधानः विराटः च द्रुपदः च महारधः ॥४॥
हलि सर्वेषाम्  ८.३.२२
हलि ७/१ सर्वेषाम् ६/३
अनु लोपः ,व्योः, भोभगोअधो अपूर्वस्य  संहितायाम्

शूराः महेष्वासाः
शूरास् महेष्वासाः विसर्जनीयस्य सः {खरि } ८.३.३४
शूरा र् महेष्वासाः सस्जुषोः रुः ८.२.६६
शूरा य्  महेष्वासाः भोभगोअधोअपूर्वस्य योऽशि ८.३ १७
शूरा महेष्वासाः हलि सर्वेषाम्  ८.३.२२

विराटः च
विराटस् च  विसर्जनीयस्य सः ८.३.३४
विराटश् च  स्तोः श्चुना श्चुः ८.४.३९
विराटश्च

भवदीया,
वसुधा


--
सन्तोषः परमो लाभः सत्सङ्गः परमा गतिः ।
विचारः परमं ज्ञानं शमो हि परमं सुखम् ॥
Contentment is the highest gain, Good Company the highest course, Enquiry the highest wisdom, and Peace the highest enjoyment.

[Vasudha Chavali]

Now this is trail and error for sure.

three places I got this sutra, शूरा महेष्वासा भीमार्जुनसमा

No more trails for now.

with regards,
vasudha

[Krishnan Sugavanam]

नमः सर्वेभ्यः।

The पदच्छेद for the श्लोकः is as follows. 

अत्र, शूराः, महेष्वासाः, भिमार्जुनसमाः, युधि, युयुधानः, विराटः, च, द्रुपदः, च, महारथः॥

शूराः + महेष्वासाः = शूरास्+महेष्वासाः (I don't know which rule to apply for this but I know this is the route :-))

शुरास्+महेष्वासाः = शूरारु+महेष्वासाः (8.2.066 स् at the end of a पद gets replaced with रु)

शूरारु+महेष्वासाः = शूराय्+महेष्वासाः (8.3.017 रु gets replaced with य् when preceded by अश्)

शूराय्+महेष्वासाः = शूरा+महेष्वासाः (8.3.022 य् at the end of a पद gets dropped when preceded by a अ or आ and followed by a हल्) or (8.3.019 लोपः शाकल्यस्य - य् at the end of a पद is dropped when preceded by अ or आ and followed by अश् - in this case, since 8.3.019 is before 8.3.022 will this सूत्र apply first?)

Similarly for महेष्वासा and भीमार्जुनसमा॥

The second line of the verse does not contain any application of हलि सर्वेषाम्॥

Regards

K Sugavanam

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[busi...@yogaforall.org]

Satishji,

I hurting right now because I see that I'm not getting notifications for the Saturday classes and missed today's class. I've been wanting to do them for the past few weeks but never see anything so I don't look for it. I was thinking well that there might be a class today and was even thinking about it in the morning but without notification I got involved in other things and finally checked when I got home and saw it on the website. Too bad because I'm sure that today is more at my level and feel the loss of not being there. Could you have my Saturday notifications turned back on please?

Also I keep looking for the recordings of the Saturday classes and cannot find them on the AVG-wknd-sanskrit-class page. That page ends with January for me. Where are all those classes I missed with you while I was in India?

Paul jj Alix

busi...@YOGAforALL.org

[Karthik Vaidhinathan]

Both your answers were correct. There were three places where the rule हलि सर्वेषाम्। 8.3.22 comes into application in this श्लोकः.

The three पदानि - शूराः महेष्वासाः and भीमार्जुनसमाः are रामवच्छब्दाः and have the सुप्-प्रत्ययः जस् in them. The दीर्घादेशः comes about by the application of प्रथमयोः पूर्वसवर्णः। 6.1.102 and then, placed amongst the other पदानि in the श्लोकः, the following rules comes into application.

अत्र शूरास् महेष्वासास् भीमार्जुनसमास् युधि - ससजुषो रुँ:। 8.2.66 brings in the रुँ आदेशः for the पदान्त-सकारः.

अत्र शूरारुँ महेष्वासारुँ भीमार्जुनसमारुँ युधि - भोभगोअघोअपूर्वस्य योऽशि। 8.3.17 brings यकारः as an आदेशः to रुँ

अत्र शूराय् महेष्वासाय् भीमार्जुनसमाय् युधि - Even though लोपः शाकल्यस्य। 8.3.19 can be used to optionally drop the यकारः here, since we are applying the rules sequentially, हलि सर्वेषाम्। 8.3.22 will anyway cause compulsory लोपः, no matter whether we apply लोपः शाकल्यस्य। 8.3.19 or not. This is the reason why we do not mention लोपः शाकल्यस्य। 8.3.19 in the derivation.So, the यकारः takes लोपः (compulsorily) to give the final form.

अत्र शूरा महेष्वासा भीमार्जुनसमा युधि

Regards

Karthik

[Krishnan Sugavanam]

Dear Karthikji

Just a clarification as regards 8.3.019. Should the सूत्र have been अचि instead of अशि since when हशि follows, यकार will always get dropped due to 8.3.022 applying, and therefore, there is no choice in the option which 8.3.019 gives?

One more clarification - is there a rule which says upto which सूत्र do we need to go, or is it convention that we keep applying sequentially until we can apply no more?

Regards

K Sugavanam

[Karthik Vaidhinathan]

Hi Krishnanji,

Sorry for the late response.

As for लोपः शाकल्यस्य। 8.3.19, it gets अशि as an अनुवृत्तिः from भोभगोअघोअपूर्वस्य योऽशि। 8.3.17. That is why even though when अश् follows, if it is a हश् letter, there is compulsory elision because of हलि सर्वेषाम्। 8.3.22, we still have to consider अशि in 8.3.19 and not अचि.

As for the application of rules is concerned, usually the various संज्ञाः that are applicable to a particular situation trigger rules in various sections of the अष्टाध्यायी. For instance, the भ-संज्ञा triggers rules in the भस्य अधिकारः. Similarly, पद-संज्ञा triggers rules in the पदस्य अधिकारः and so on. In the प्रत्ययः अधिकारः, depending on our विवक्षा, we would choose the different प्रत्ययाः and thus those relevant sutras come into play. For instance, if we want to make a धातुः out of another धातुः,  we would go the section whre the सनादि प्रत्ययाः are defined. If our aim is to construct कृदन्ताः,  we would go to the appropriate section and choose the प्रत्ययाः based on meaning.

And after all these processes are complete, in the त्रिपादी, we go through sequentially, till the end of अष्टाध्यायी, applying all that are applicable in a sequence. The only exceptions of course are the अपवादाः within the त्रिपादी, and also some jumps we have to do into the सपादसप्ताध्यायी sometimes under special circumstances.

Thanks and Regards

Karthik