Room Tag Insertion?

Russell L. Thomas

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May 6, 2002, 2:42:53 PM5/6/02

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I am trying to insert a room tag from the ADT3.3 Design Content and it wants
me to link it to an area, block..... and won't let me install it on my plans
without associating to something. This is fine for doors and windows, but
all I want is a darn room tag without using my ArchT symbols. Is there a
command to allow me to insert the room tags without associating it to
something?

Steve Stafford

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May 6, 2002, 3:06:54 PM5/6/02

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I offer two approaches (of many possibilities....)

One - Add a space object....use the space to help create room finish
schedules later...etc., then you have a space to tag...(the space could be a
1x1 square if you don't care about pulling area calcs from it.

Two - Using Design Center - the first three icons on the design center
window are Desktop, Drawing, and custom.....if you select Desktop then
browse to the same location the custom content is derived from you can
insert the AEC3_RoomTag_P block from the RoomTag.dwg within: ADT content
directories you use.

Not as quick as a third which is create a copy of the ADT tag that you can
insert more quickly for non ADT space related tagging...

Best of luck! (I find I kinda enjoy using spaces...but then there's no
accounting for taste)

Steve

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Peter Funk - Autodesk, Inc

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May 6, 2002, 4:34:33 PM5/6/02

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Russell,

All the ADT tags are MVBlocks, that have a AutoCAD block that they
reference. If you don't want to make a schedule of the room tags, then
insert the underlying block sysmbol, just as you would have with ArchT, and
fill out the attributes. You won't be able to make a schedule of the blocks
using the ADT tools, but your drawing will have the label in them.

FYI, you could also set up the room tags to work of a polyline, however you
won't have the "generateSpace" command to help you place them.
(generateSpace can also place tags automatically for each room)

Regards,

Peter Funk
API Product Manager
Building Industry Division
Autodesk, Inc.

Reid M. Addis

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May 6, 2002, 3:56:08 PM5/6/02

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Russell,
If you look at the custom command associated with the Room Tag:
_AecAnnoScheduleTagAdd PropertySetDefs.dwg _SYMBOL Aec3_Room_Tag _LEADER
_None _DIMSTYLE _Current

the command - AecAnnoScheduleTagAdd - needs SOMETHING to add the Property
Set Definition(s) from the - PropertySetDefs.dwg - to. Otherwise, there is
nothing to generate the schedule from!

You could use other commands - such as AecAnnoSymbolAdd - to just place the
Room tag (make sure none of the attributes are pulling info from a property
set definition!) then manually try attaching the property set, say, to the
tag itself.

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Reid M. Addis
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
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Russell L. Thomas

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May 6, 2002, 4:53:50 PM5/6/02

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Thanks everyone for the fast solutions, I knew I could insert the block only
after tracking it down, what really bothers me is that everything is getting
so complicated without any simplistic backup options. I have just switched
our office (for the most part) over to ADT3.3 from ACAD 14, after assuring
the principles that we would gain effeciency if we upgraded and now people
can't even insert a simple room tag from within ADT without creating spaces
first. Anyway, thanks for the help, maybe someday Autodesk will figure out
how to make a program that is easy to use, hell it won't even draw a line
until pick a line command, and by default the keyboard shortcut "C" is for
circle and not copy - I would bet a months wages the average person uses
copy 100X more than circle, go figure!

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Reid M. Addis

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May 6, 2002, 5:13:42 PM5/6/02

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Hmmmm......well....we tried Peter!

Russell, just to let you know, I ported our old office menu over to ADT3.3
as well, so my users can continue inserting "dumb" roomtags while I get
things customized. It shouldn't take you very long to do this also. As for
C, you CAN edit the ACAD.PGP file to change this.

Most of my office is mad at me because ADT "changed" the "T" command to
MTEXT from what they were used to here, TRIM. I personally never used T for
trim, always TR. You can please most of the people some of the time....

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Reid M. Addis
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
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Russell L. Thomas

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May 6, 2002, 6:00:17 PM5/6/02

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Yes I modified my PGP file and I have heavily customized Acad over the years
and created a suite of Autolisp routines, I was using that as an example of
the illogical thinking sometimes and I was a mechanical cadd drafter before
I went to architectural school and even engineers use copy more than circle.
I just think by 3.3 the software should be getting user friendly. Yes the
office rebels, I have people secretly changing there mouse settings to get
back right click equals return instead of the new context sensitive right
mouse botton. Oh well, it is a great program I just get irritated sometimes.

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Rob Starz

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May 6, 2002, 7:32:31 PM5/6/02

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I find that even placing a small space in the room and using it to add the
tag to made my life easier. You don't need to have the space fit the exact
room shape...unless you want the exact dimensions.

My Work around was to create an AecContent that had the tag and space
already inside it.
1. insert a space (3' x 3')
2. attach a space tag to it.
3. Create a block of the space and tag
4.Create an AecContent using the Block I just made
5. Make sure you set it to Explode
6. Save it to the COntent directory

Now you are ready to tag a room and the space automatically inserts with the
tag. Just edit the name and number.

Darek Olson

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May 7, 2002, 10:51:58 AM5/7/02

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Users will eventually stop changing the mouse rt-click function when they
realize that the only way to get to certain commands, with out having to run
around the building on their hands, is to rt-click. I fought my users for a
month or two and then they realized that hitting return on the keyboard is
much faster than rt-clicking the mouse. I used to feel sorry for them now I
just laugh and tell them that if there rt-click was set to smart editing
they could do things ten times faster with one click.

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