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Mar 18, 2025, 10:23:52 AMMar 18
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Hi everyone,
 I thought that I should pass this message from AMOS to you for your information. 
Trump's administration is doing enormous damage to scientific research, not just in the States, but worldwide. Apparently, his Administration has even targeted our own Universities and their research projects involving American scientists working with our people. The sudden withdrawal of funding has caused major issues. 
The dismantling of NOAA and other U.S. Government agencies by Idiot Musk for example, which among other tasks, provides weather data for the U.S. Weather Bureau and our own BOM (which I access) is an absolute disaster for examining both Climate Change and the increasing occurrence of devasting weather events. 
North Queensland for example, now is facing yet another flood disaster as excessive tropical moisture from abnormally warm oceans is fueling intense rainfall again! The cost of the recent cyclone in SE Queensland and NE New South Wales will run into the trillions of Dollars and impact all of us with house insurance. The impact on the affected population will last generations We need the research to examine why these events are happening and how we can mitigate their impacts.
It will take years to undo the damage Trump is doing!


Cheers,

Gavin
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Date: Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 8:58 AM
Subject: AMOS - Media Statement from AMOS on recent cuts to science capability in the US
To: Gavin <southsi...@gmail.com>


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Dear Gavin

Media Statement from the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (AMOS) on recent cuts to science capability in the United States


Today, the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (AMOS) warned recent cuts to science in the United States would affect public safety and the economy—not just in Australia but across the world. 


AMOS is deeply concerned by recent reports of reductions in science capabilities and mass lay-offs at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the United States. NOAA is the main governmental agency providing services around weather, climate and oceans to the American public, including weather forecasts and warnings through the National Weather Service. The agency is at the forefront of the science internationally, and it provides global leadership in shaping ocean, fisheries, climate, space and weather policies. As recently emphasised by our sister organisation the American Meteorological Society


Recent terminations within the NOAA workforce are likely to cause irreparable harm and have far-reaching consequences for public safety and economic well-being in the United States. 


We stand in solidarity with our colleagues in the United States and join their call for strong support for NOAA and the other US science agencies and extreme caution in altering governmental roles and responsibilities for monitoring and forecasting the atmosphere and oceans.The atmosphere and oceans are globally connected and do not recognise political boundaries. Weather forecasts produced by NOAA, and Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology, rely upon critical monitoring facilities maintained by governments around the world and are built on fundamental knowledge and technology developed in partnership with the global scientific community. Cuts in the US will not only reduce their preparedness, but will have global consequences, including in the Australian community. It is therefore essential that all nations maintain strong investment in research, monitoring and prediction of the atmosphere and ocean. The benefits of this investment will be the continued provision of vital guidance to the public that saves lives, minimises vulnerability and helps to manage cost-of-living pressures.


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  • Dr Martin Singh, AMOS President: pres...@amos.org.au

  • Prof Sarah Perkins-Kirkpatrick, AMOS Vice-President

 
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Ken Kato

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Mar 19, 2025, 3:28:36 AMMar 19
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Yep Gavin, and the other big concern I have is any potential future impact on ALL the global weather models that underpin the basis of forecasts and warnings in every country. 

NOAA in the US operate a huge network of observation platforms ranging from their own satellites, weather stations, buoys (a number of which are part of the network of tropical  Pacific buoys which monitor ENSO), and a number of hurricane hunter aircraft. They all contribute a big share of critical obs data that models need to initialise on before they can produce forecasts. This is especially the case with satellite data which makes up a massive portion of such obs data over the planet.

If this data were to suddenly become unavailable because of staffing and funding cuts, it would have a big impact on the accuracy of forecasts and warnings. We'd essentially be going backwards by many years.

Even when COVID was peaking earlier this decade, the impact that less observation data such as from aircraft, etc had were clearly visible in the observation impact stats for model forecasts.

Needless to say, the implications of less accurate warnings for deadly weather systems are obvious.

Because of the sheer amount of critical resources that NOAA owns and contributes to the global effort in forecasting, it's considered highly unlikely that the private weather industry would be able to fill the void if those resources were lost (and especially because commercial providers of forecasts and warnings can't completely replace a national weather agency whose very purpose is to name that info freely available to the public).

The implications of all this are very far reaching and affect the world, not just the US.

Ken.
 

On 19 Mar 2025, at 12:24 am, Gavin O'Brien <southsi...@gmail.com> wrote:


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