frustrated with KNACK
jen sansbury
let me begin by saying that if i didn't live in temple (and if KGSR's
signal reached here better), i wouldn't be listening to KNACK at all.
but things being as they are ...
i enjoy *some* of the alternative music they play, but my tastes lie more
in the void between the 2 stations. the judybats are coming to liberty
lunch on the 28th (next wednesday) and as far as i can tell it is getting
no mention other than chronicle and XL listings. i'm a big fan and have
seen their past 2 shows in austin. the last one was pretty sparsely
attended and had *NO* publicity. the night before that show, the band
played to 1,000 people in houston. the power of radio promotion is truly
awesome sometimes.
so this time around i decided to try to do something about it. i've called
KNACK long-distance on several occasions to request the judybats single
that came out in august. they do have it (one dj was nice enough to tell
me). they just won't play it. well, that's fine and dandy. that's their
prerogative. what pisses me off is that 2X a day they give concert
listings. on this *alt* station we get to hear about R. Kelly and Coolio
(hardly the type of music KNACK plays) coming to the erwin center, but not
so much as a mention of the judybats show. (which happens to conflict with
the sacred homegroan night - dahveed no less.) tonight i called to ask
them to at least add the judybats to their concert listing, which goes
well into october now. i was informed that the higher ups said not to
include it because the show is 'no big deal.'
this selectiveness - especially in a genre that they claim to be on top of
- is infuriating. and they obviously don't care about listener requests if
they're not something that was already scheduled on the playlist.
and let's not even get into the fact that this 'pro-local music' will
only play local stuff for one hour a week - even things that are on
national release (read: cotton mather).
if my options weren't z-rock, country and top 40, i'd never set my dial
to 107.7 again. (no offense intended to fans of those types ofmusic.)
i'd like to ask people to bombard KNACK with calls for judybats stuff.
(after all, they've suddenly discovered the gigolo aunts just because
they're playing tomorrow night. maybe it could work. ;) ) but i'd rather
just ask that some people who are interested in intelligent
alternative/pop (and don't let their tastes be dictated by the likes of
KNACK) come on out to the show. bring your friends. i'm sure it will be
inexpensive.
jen
Curtis Wilcox
Rochester, NY where there is no commercial "new" or "alternative" station.
There are a couple of college stations which are good and WBER which is
non-commercial. It's one of the things I actually miss about Rochester, a
generally not-missable town. No giveaways. No live broadcasts from the
advertiser du jour. No Mother's Window Tint. Just great new music (I need a
better euphemism) and (mostly) really good, low-key DJs who knew what they
were playing.
KNACK plays the same damn stuff over and over. They play a "classic" like
every hour and even these seem like they're in rotation. I visited in April
and heard Blondie's "Heart of Glass" 3 times in a week! It's not like it was
their only hit! And what's with the Duran Duran? Is Simon Le Bon the station
programmer's brother-in-law or something?
It's not that they play a lot of stuff I don't like. I *do* like "The Sweater
Song" (or whatever) but not 10 times a day!
I've heard the faint strains of a station in San Marcos which sounded good
but is there no other relief?
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MG1001
writes:
:not
:so much as a mention of the judybats show. (which happens to conflict
with
:the sacred homegroan night - dahveed no less.)
Hmmm.
MG1001
having traveled around a bit, I find the groans about *bad Austin radio* a
little bit disingenuous. Yes, it does have its problems, but you can track
those back to the fact that this is a *commercial* station and has to
market to the widest possible segment.
This is an unfortunate consequence of the heavy regulation of the
airwaves. Unlike print media, which is accessible to anyone with a
computer and a printer (or a pen and copy machine, for that matter), radio
and TV are relatively inaccessible.
We should be thankful that Austin does have a commercial station that will
broadcast alternative music, even if they have their favorites and tend to
slip back to that nostalgic time period of 1978-1985. At least they
haven't played *Footloose* for christ sake.
In San Antonio, you get Top 40 or Metal or Country. Same thing in Houston
(though KLOL does play *some* cutting edge stuff). Same thing in
Cleveland. Or Miami. Even LA. Sure, there are going to be great stations
here and there, but dollars to donuts, most folks would love to have the
variety we have here in River City.
The fact is, no radio station can get away with playing tons of unknown
bands and expect to make it a financial success. Those college stations
that seem to be the temples of alternative *are* supported by tax dollars
or tuition fees.
What you're dealing with at KNNC is just what you have at every other
radio station, a fairly insular group of folks who play what they like and
what they *think* most of their audience likes.
In any event, the fact that local radio even devotes an hour a week to
local music is something. And I have heard local artists on the radio
(Seed, anyone? KLBJ plays the Ugly Americans, even. Then there's Eric
Johnson. Sincola garnered some airplay after their first tape.) The fact
of the matter is, most Austin bands don't have the quality production that
modern radio requires. It's just another one of those costs of capitalism.
If you want truly alternative, wait for KVRX/KOOP. Until then, be thankful
you have what you've got. It could be worse. It could be Odessa.
Marty
GregLegg
writes:
> Until then, be thankful you have what you've got. It could be worse. It
could be Odessa.
Amen to that! Commercial radio needs those annoying commercials so that
the employees can pay their rent, car loans, etc. For those who insist on
whining about non-commercial alternatives, there's yet ANOTHER station
sprouting from the UT campus very soon that will be in the public radio
end of the dial. I have a feeling, though, that no matter how much THEY
try, it'll never be enough.
"Program a station by the tastes of one person and soon only one person
will be listening to it."
I will agree that KNNC should have the Judybats on the air. They've
gotten extensive 120 Minutes coverage, so a lot of people have heard of
them. I'll bet their record company isn't pushing them as hard as the
other groups on that label...
Ray Shea
>
>Actually, having lived in Austin for a while, and Houston before that, and
>having traveled around a bit, I find the groans about *bad Austin radio* a
>little bit disingenuous. Yes, it does have its problems, but you can track
>those back to the fact that this is a *commercial* station and has to
>market to the widest possible segment.
Actually, having lived in New Orleans, Houston, San Francisco, and Austin,
I can say that, for a town its size, with such a huge music scene, a large
university, and highly educated population, Austin radio *does* suck. Mainly
because of the real lack of any decent noncommercial stations. KUT gives
us NPR, and then 8 hours of self-indulgent pointless crap every weekday.
>In San Antonio, you get Top 40 or Metal or Country. Same thing in Houston
>(though KLOL does play *some* cutting edge stuff).
But Houston has several very strong non-commercial stations (KTRU, KPFT,
...), so there's someplace else to go.
>The fact is, no radio station can get away with playing tons of unknown
>bands and expect to make it a financial success. Those college stations
>that seem to be the temples of alternative *are* supported by tax dollars
>or tuition fees.
In 1985, I think the entire annual working budget of KTRU was $13,000. Yes,
supported by a student activities tax, but if you consider the amount and
quality of radio that was got for the tiny amount of money, it's a hell of
a bargain. Commercial stations suck because they are treated as commodities,
rather than information resources...they're bought and sold and managed
for quick and maximum profits. Nothing wrong with that, it's the American
way, after all, but it's also the reason commercial radio is as artful as
Tide with lemon-freshened Borax.
>What you're dealing with at KNNC is just what you have at every other
>radio station, a fairly insular group of folks who play what they like and
>what they *think* most of their audience likes.
No, what you're dealing with at KNNC is a carefully-researched, tightly
format-focused attempt to maximize listenership in the 25-40 college-educated
double-income-no-kids (read: disposable income) market, because that's what
brings in the most advertising dollars.
I encourage you to attend a radio conference sometime to listen to these
so-called alternative programmers throw around their broadcasting and
marketing lingo at the "Alternative Radio -- Maximixing Your Ad Potential"
panels. It's repulsive.
>In any event, the fact that local radio even devotes an hour a week to
>local music is something.
KNCC and KGSR both give lip service to narrow parts of the local scene.
Compared to college and community radio stations in many cities with
music scenes of equal size, local music coverage on the commercial outlets
here is slim.
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Cyberkitty
writes:
>In San Antonio, you get Top 40 or Metal or Country. Same thing in Houston
Same thing in Houston?! Sorry, but I used to live right outside there
and although most of the radio stations sucked like hell---there was, and
is, KTRU--Rice Radio. Maybe you aren't counting college radio stations,
but KTRU was a change from the norm and played a TON of local
interspirsed with national stuff. I know you're making a point that it
is good that KNACK at least plays local music once a week, since they are
a commercial station, but criminy! We live in Austin, and I know from a
large number of friends of mine in the music business that this is one of
the musical hotbeds of the nation right now--especially for alternative
(god! I hate that word!), so KNACK should play more local, but, no, they
won't because local bands aren't on labels that send them an idiotic
number of tickets, t-shirts, and other mundane stuff for radio airplay.
And they should've at least mentioned the Judybats show on their concert
updates. It reminds me of when a friend of mine called in continously to
try to get them to play PJ Harvey and they wouldn't because they "didn't
like her." I think with KNACK the problem is a bunch of jock boy grunge
type DJ's that want to be like college DJ's so they ignore listener
requests and play what they wish, but bow to almighty commercialism so
they can get free tickets to the next Pearl Jam show. My advise to the
fellow disgruntled is to ignore KNACK---let the alternafrat types have
it. Build up your own personal music collection and thrive on that until
KVRX opens. Hopefully it will be worthwhile.
jen sansbury
: And they should've at least mentioned the Judybats show on their concert
: updates. It reminds me of when a friend of mine called in continously to
: try to get them to play PJ Harvey and they wouldn't because they "didn't
: like her."
indeed, it turns out that's exactly what happened with the judybats.
jeanette (?) from liberty lunch called to ask them to include it in the
concert listing. she was told they don't like the band so they weren't
going to do anything. and that was that.
my prediction is that their next single 'sorry counts' (which
unfortunately i hear was remixed by someone who's been working with pearl
jam) will do quite well (possibly for that very reason). i'd *love* to
see the folks at knnc eat their words ...
MG1001
stations in town have begun to play more so-called alternative music. E.g.
Green Day and Offspring on KLBJ. Actually, I'd say KLBJ has made a lot of
advances--they are playing more and more alternative *and* local stuff.
Case in point: the Wannabee's new CD has actually been added to the
playlist at KLBJ. Yes, 'tis true. I've heard ``Itchin' Jenny'' myself.
Still, that doesn't mean that KNNC will add it. From what I understand,
KNACK isn't adding them because they have added a bunch of national stuff.
In the end, it just boils down to being in the right place at the right
time and having the right kind of money behind you.
Someone earlier mentioned that the statement ``be thankful for what you've
got'' might be a bit ... wimpy? I'm not saying that things are perfect and
that the general public shouldn't let the powers that be know that things
could be better. I'm just saying we should keep a little perspective. It
is only radio, after all.
Also, the reason you always hear ``West End Girls'' or ``I'll Melt with
You'' is that they are the only tunes by those artists the station has,
more likely than not. I a lot of cases, those tunes are on compilation CDs
distributed by labels.
Marty Hobratschk
vincent
>
>One thing I have noticed is that since the inception of KNNC, other
>stations in town have begun to play more so-called alternative music.
This is true, it's because they didn't realize that there was actually a
market. Kinda funny too because radio stations are so analytical (see anal)
about getting more listeners. You'd think that they would have jumped on
the alternative seen before KNNC showed up.
>Someone earlier mentioned that the statement ``be thankful for what you've
>got'' might be a bit ... wimpy? I'm not saying that things are perfect and
>that the general public shouldn't let the powers that be know that things
>could be better. I'm just saying we should keep a little perspective. It
>is only radio, after all.
KNNC is lame, but the again so are all commercial stations. I'm sure there
are a few exceptions but I don't hear any of those exceptions in Austin.
>Also, the reason you always hear ``West End Girls'' or ``I'll Melt with
>You'' is that they are the only tunes by those artists the station has,
>more likely than not. I a lot of cases, those tunes are on compilation CDs
>distributed by labels.
This is 100% not true. I know for a fact that they have and have access to
(thru Mike Peer, dj) other Pet Shop Boys hits. Someone should call up and
ask them to play Opportunities by the Pet Shop Boys, this is another BIG
PSB hit. If they don't play it then I would have to say that there is no
hope for those of you who would like to hear a variety from them. As far as
Modern English, they didn't have any other hits other than I'll Melt with
You.
Radio stations would be a better place if all Music Directors and Program
Directors were abolished.
Eric Brand
You're so full of crap, Marty! Sounds like your band doesn't get played
there much, either!
- Eric Brand
P.S. When's our next rehearsal?
jen sansbury
: You're so full of crap, Marty! Sounds like your band doesn't get played
: there much, either!
: - Eric Brand
: P.S. When's our next rehearsal?
yeah. and when are y'all gonna play the thriving metropolis of
killeen-temple? ;)
jen
MG1001
:You're so full of crap, Marty! Sounds like your band doesn't get played
:there much, either!
Screw you, man! Like you really know what you're talking about. *MY* band
is going to be on a CD put out by Raydog of KNACK. So there!
Eric Brand
>yeah. and when are y'all gonna play the thriving metropolis of
>killeen-temple? ;)
YO! Jen! Get us a gig and we're there! Oh, we'll need $1000 guarantee.
Just kidding. We'd love to play Killeen some weekend we're out in
Dallas/Ft. Worth or Houston, etc. Of course you have to promise to provide
a thousand screeming fans =)
<ekik>
Eric Brand
>
>ebr...@bga.com (Eric Brand) writes:
>
>:You're so full of crap, Marty! Sounds like your band doesn't get played
>:there much, either!
>
>Screw you, man! Like you really know what you're talking about. *MY* band
>is going to be on a CD put out by Raydog of KNACK. So there!
Sheah! Probably do some stupid Human League song. "Don't you wanna hump me" or
something like that!
<ekik>
P.S. what's this MG1001 crap? You'll always be SQUATCH to me!
jen sansbury
: YO! Jen! Get us a gig and we're there! Oh, we'll need $1000 guarantee.
: Just kidding. We'd love to play Killeen some weekend we're out in
: Dallas/Ft. Worth or Houston, etc. Of course you have to promise to provide
: a thousand screeming fans =)
hmm... well, i could move my futon outta the way and let you play in my
living room. i dunno about a thousand screaming fans, but i could
probably come up with 5 or 10 completely indifferent people who are just
as bored as i am and wouldn't mind giving ya a listen. ;)
aw heck. nevermind. i'll just have to keep comin' down to austin. :)
jen
p.s. what's this <ekik> crap?
Eric Brand
>p.s. what's this <ekik> crap?
it's what people call me when they're drunk or high
<ekik>
KLBJdudman
>KNNC is lame, but the again so are all commercial stations. I'm sure
there
>are a few exceptions but I don't hear any of those exceptions in Austin.
And those of us that work at these "Lame" stations, would probably have
plenty to criticize if we could view your work. I'll actually take this as
a compliment coming from a fan of the "Pet Shop Boys"
>Radio stations would be a better place if all Music Directors and Program
>Directors were abolished.
And the net would be a better place if most of the posters did not speak
from their sphincters !!!
On behalf of the hundreds of media people who are up before the crack of
dawn to try and entertain the thousands of listeners we have and piss off
the few dozen junior program directors, a hearty F___K you!!
Dale Dudley
KLBJ
happy
(KLBJdudman) says:
^^^
(hehehehehehe)
[snip]
>And those of us that work at these "Lame" stations, would probably have
>plenty to criticize if we could view your work. I'll actually take this as
>a compliment coming from a fan of the "Pet Shop Boys"
My work... i'm releasing my EP in two weeks but I wouldn't want you to have
a copy because you might have the urge to play it over and over like
everything else. So what have you released besides offensive gas?
I also happen to be a REAL dj, would you like take it to the turntables in a
nightclub and see if you can cut it without a list of music to play? Hey,
i'll call ZROCK and they can do a live broadcast of me shredding you!
I actually don't care for the Pet Shop Boys, I was just giving some info
about them.
>And the net would be a better place if most of the posters did not speak
>from their sphincters !!!
That's funny coming from an AOLer.
>On behalf of the hundreds of media people who are up before the crack of
>dawn to try and entertain the thousands of listeners we have and piss off
>the few dozen junior program directors, a hearty F___K you!!
?UC
I doubt that those hundreds would want you speaking for them... your not
really speaking, it's just frustrated rambling. Time to get a refill on the
Prozac!
Did you have to get permission to say 'F___K you'?
BTW, your not pissing me off, your just amusing me!
Have a Nice Day :)
Vince.
KLBJdudman
>My work... i'm releasing my EP in two weeks but I wouldn't want you to
have
>a copy because you might have the urge to play it over and over like
>everything else. So what have you released besides offensive gas?
WOW Really ? An EP ? man, what label ? That must have been tough to get
signed. I'm sure it'll be a smash, seeing your endearment to the broadcast
community. But then again, your probably way to hip to want airplay.
Actually acorrding to my co-workers my gas has an herbal scent with a hint
of spices.
>I also happen to be a REAL dj, would you like take it to the turntables
in a
>nightclub and see if you can cut it without a list of music to play?
Hey,
>i'll call ZROCK and they can do a live broadcast of me shredding you!
REALLY IN A NIGHTCLUB ?
KLBJdudman
(continuing from previous)
>I also happen to be a REAL dj, would you like take it to the turntables
in a
>nightclub and see if you can cut it without a list of music to play?
Hey,
>i'll call ZROCK and they can do a live broadcast of me shredding you!
It must really be entertaining to hear your aserbic wit over real
loud-speakers in a real club. I wish I could go back into the clubs again
and rake in that giant salary. Jeezze what was I thinking? You must have a
huge following!!! Good luck on that Z-rock thing. I'm sure with thier 2
share, once your through with me I won't be able to appear at Sneakers..
>>And the net would be a better place if most of the posters did not speak
>>from their sphincters !!!
>That's funny coming from an AOLer.
Yeah Vince, but it's free (and pretty too).
>>On behalf of the hundreds of media people who are up before the crack of
>>dawn to try and entertain the thousands of listeners we have and piss
off
>>the few dozen junior program directors, a hearty F___K you!!
?UC
>I doubt that those hundreds would want you speaking for them... your not
>really speaking, it's just frustrated rambling. Time to get a refill on
the
>Prozac!
Come on Vince keep up....Zoloft is the choice drug now.
>Did you have to get permission to say 'F___K you'?
Yes and I'm recording it to disc, extended dance mix, will be out soon on
the same label as your EP, could you spin it in your club in front of your
dozens of fans ?
>BTW, your not pissing me off, your just amusing me!
Same here, always enjoy a good flame war. Makes for good show material on
a slow day.
Peace
Dudster
GregLegg
(KLBJdudman) writes:
>Same here, always enjoy a good flame war. Makes for good show material
>on a slow day.
Beats the hell out of a wire service for show prep, doesn't it?
Greg
Phoenix
>My work... i'm releasing my EP in two weeks but I wouldn't want you to
have
>a copy because you might have the urge to play it over and over like
>everything else. So what have you released besides offensive gas?
Sounds like *your* therapy issue, no?
>I also happen to be a REAL dj, would you like take it to the turntables
in a
>nightclub and see if you can cut it without a list of music to play?
Hey,
>i'll call ZROCK and they can do a live broadcast of me shredding you!
Nya, nya, nya. *yawn*
>>And the net would be a better place if most of the posters did not speak
>>from their sphincters !!!
>
>That's funny coming from an AOLer.
Whoa. Rebuttal.
>>On behalf of the hundreds of media people who are up before the crack of
>>dawn to try and entertain the thousands of listeners we have and piss
off
>>the few dozen junior program directors, a hearty F___K you!!
> ?UC
Should we all use smaller words?
>I doubt that those hundreds would want you speaking for them... your not
>really speaking, it's just frustrated rambling. Time to get a refill on
the
>Prozac!
Zoloft. (Hi, Dale. Got my body tag!)
>Did you have to get permission to say 'F___K you'?
From his mommy?
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KLBJdudman
writes:
>I think you two should settle this with a friendly game of DooM or DooM
>II at AVG - Austin Virtual Gaming!!!
Not just Doom, DOOM II.....Yes ... I hereby lay down the glove.
DD
happy
(KLBJdudman) says:
>WOW Really ? An EP ? man, what label ? That must have been tough to get
>signed. I'm sure it'll be a smash, seeing your endearment to the broadcast
>community. But then again, your probably way to hip to want airplay.
Yes, really! Yes, an EP... that's one of the licorice pizza looking things
(vinyl, wax, record), you probably wouldn't know what one of those looks
like since it's not a cart (or do you use CDs?). _Man_, my own label.
Dunno about getting signed since I did it on my own. I don't know if you'd
understand how to do that, you might have to get your boss to write down how
it's done. Better yet, maybe you can get the sysadmin at AOL to draw you a
picture. Not wanting airplay has nothing to do with being hip... I want
people to enjoy it, not hate it.
>Actually acorrding to my co-workers my gas has an herbal scent with a hint
>of spices.
They LIE!
>REALLY IN A NIGHTCLUB ?
LIKE, OH MY GAWD!
>It must really be entertaining to hear your aserbic wit over real
>loud-speakers in a real club. I wish I could go back into the clubs again
>and rake in that giant salary. Jeezze what was I thinking? You must have a
>huge following!!! Good luck on that Z-rock thing. I'm sure with thier 2
>share, once your through with me I won't be able to appear at Sneakers..
Sorry, I don't use a mic. I'm sure it's hard for you to imagine that people
would actually want to hear music instead of an obnoxious voice terrorizing
their ears. Since you use a mic, maybe you could confirm my description...
isn't a mic a phallic shaped device _you_ hold in front of your mouth for
hours?
I wish I could work in a radio station so that I could play music that
people would actually want to hear. Nah, why would I want to work three
times the hours for the same amount of money. I notice a note of sarcasm in
your _giant salary_ statement, good club DJs make alot of money... i'm
guessing you probably weren't good. What were you thinking? Probably
something along the lines of... I only annoy a few hundred people with my
inability to mix so i'll become a radio DJ and annoy thousands. My
following isn't nearly as large as your over-inflated ego. I don't care for
Z-rock either, I just mentioned their name because I saw their van in front
of Sneakers (hmmm...), on the side it said KLB...who. Aren't they satellite
fed?
>Yeah Vince, but it's free (and pretty too).
I received email from an individual who told me that you were making fun of
AOL on the air. You're such a hipocrit!
>Come on Vince keep up....Zoloft is the choice drug now.
I don't need to keep up, I see you do though. I hope the doctor gave you
unlimited refills.
> Yes and I'm recording it to disc, extended dance mix, will be out soon on
>the same label as your EP, could you spin it in your club in front of your
>dozens of fans ?
I have the freedom to play whatever I wish. Could you play it? No, you
couldn't, you don't have any freedom, you are just a puppet in the world of
radio. It was your choice, you decided to sell your soul, and your
punishment is to spend all of eternity in the hell of overplayed Pink Floyd
songs.
>Same here, always enjoy a good flame war. Makes for good show material on
>a slow day.
(SEE NEXT POST)
happy
(radio stations/radio personalities).
You obviously think radio is good, I obviously think radio is bad.
(pop quiz)
The following questions shall be answered with a _True_ or _False_
1. Dale Dudley is a Music Director or a Program Director for KLBJ.
2. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air). (I honestly don't know)
(If number 2 is true then answer number 3)
3. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air) based on a playlist.
4. The majority of radio stations play music based on a playlist.
5. The majority of radio stations repetitively play current hits throughout
the day.
6. Radio personalities occasionally have esoteric conversations with no
regard to the listeners.
7. Dale Dudley has learned something positive from these posts and with his
new found knowledge will attempt to make a difference.
8. Dale Dudley only responded to these postings for attention (be honest).
*This last question is optional (I don't know the laws)*
9. Dale Dudley thinks Z-rock is a waste of FCC airspace.
KLBJdudman
>I received email from an individual who told me that you were making fun
of
>AOL on the air. You're such a hipocrit!
No that was you I was making fun of on the air. We read your witty post.
A hypocrite yes, but one who can spell. By the way, some one told me that
you like to be called New York Vince, or New Jersey Vince ? Which do you
prefer ?
Peace
KLBJdudman
>Now let's get back on topic. This isn't about me, it's about you
>(radio stations/radio personalities).
No this topic began as a response to you commenting on an industry you
know nothing about. Wether good or bad, it is about making money. Yes it's
true we all want to hear a wide range of music. But there are so many
stations now that niche programming has become the only way to stay aflot
in the commercial market.
>You obviously think radio is good, I obviously think radio is bad.
Nope, never said that, radio is what it is. Some is good some is bad. But
there are too many talented people working in the industry to make a
blanket statment such as yours.
>(pop quiz)
Really this is kind of like the student testing the pupil, but if you
insist.
The following questions shall be answered with a _True_ or _False_
>1. Dale Dudley is a Music Director or a Program Director for KLBJ.
False, No desire to be. Highly paid morning personality.
>2. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air). (I honestly don't know)
This one is true.
>(If number 2 is true then answer number 3)
>3. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air) based on a playlist.
Partially true. I scratch about 60% of the records on my log each day. I
am free to choose the music, based on my past rating success.
>4. The majority of radio stations play music based on a playlist.
True
>5. The majority of radio stations repetitively play current hits
throughout
the day.
Somewhat true, depending on the format. The reason being that most people
with 9-5 jobs listen at the most for 20 minutes a day. The idea is to
familarize them with the newest records. (by the way this is not
necessarly my philosopy, I'm just trying to play along with Vince, while
he thinks he has me trapped).
>6. Radio personalities occasionally have esoteric conversations with no
regard to the listeners.
False. All conversations on the radio, on my show are meant to entertain
the listeners. Acorrding to the last Arbitron numbers we are doing that.
I'll let you look if your nice and you clean off that smokey smell Vince.
>7. Dale Dudley has learned something positive from these posts and with
his
new found knowledge will attempt to make a difference.
True. I've learned to never respond to a ridiculous post such as your
orginal. I will make a differance by being the only Jock in town to give
advance warning of flames on the geek-net.
>8. Dale Dudley only responded to these postings for attention (be
honest).
False. I get plenty of attention between the hours of 6-10 am.
*This last question is optional (I don't know the laws)*
>9. Dale Dudley thinks Z-rock is a waste of FCC airspace.
True. But only because they are competiton. So far I think they are
legal.
Well if you don't count the tires they've slashed.
"I'd like to thank you on behalf of the group and I hope we passed the
audition."
Austin Virtual Gaming
: In article <37ubl7$c...@giga.bga.com>, a...@bga.com (Austin Virtual Gaming)
: writes:
: DD
There you have it... the glove has been (lain,laid,lied,put) (pick one) down!
Any takers???
We have over 300 pwads!!! We have Aliens-TC...SCARY!!!
Tournament coming this weekend @ high noon both days!
[:-()
Austin Virtual Gaming
keeping up with you 2!
Britt Daniel
>From: klbjd...@aol.com (KLBJdudman)
>Subject: Re: frustrated with KNACK
>Date: 13 Oct 1994 17:37:01 -0400
>And the net would be a better place if most of the posters did not speak
>from their sphincters !!!
>On behalf of the hundreds of media people who are up before the crack of
>dawn to try and entertain the thousands of listeners we have and piss off
>the few dozen junior program directors, a hearty F___K you!!
>Dale Dudley
>KLBJ
What a rock and roll rebel. He doesn't even have the balls to say the F-word.
Well, I do. FUCK KLBJ and its tired, lame rehashing of 70's AOR.
Britt Daniel
jen sansbury
: Now let's get back on topic. This isn't about me, it's about you
: (radio stations/radio personalities).
personally i think it's about both of you. while i don't oftenlisten to
KLBJ, i do know who dale dudley is and wouldn't have been dumb enough to
flame him, knowing that it might get read on the air. (flipping through
radio stations on the way to work this morning i was amused to find that
he did just that! and well he should. that's a public forum as much as
this is.)
: 3. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air) based on a playlist.
: 4. The majority of radio stations play music based on a playlist.
: 5. The majority of radio stations repetitively play current hits throughout
: the day.
this whole line of questioning is hypocritical. as a DJ, i'm sure that
you base your selections on what your consumers want to hear. and if it's
the new nine inch nails or whatever-the-hell, you're going to play it if
that's what the club-goers want you to play. if they don't like what you
play, i'm sure the clubowner will hear about it. he, in turn, will
probably exert some pressure on you to play what the people want. i don't
see a hell of a lot of difference between that and being a radio DJ
playing from a playlist.
: 8. Dale Dudley only responded to these postings for attention (be honest).
spare us. you're doing the same.
: *This last question is optional (I don't know the laws)*
: 9. Dale Dudley thinks Z-rock is a waste of FCC airspace.
and this flame war is a waste of bandwidth. but hey, both can be
considered entertainment. :)
cgeiger
bda...@origin.ea.com (Britt Daniel) writes:
> What a rock and roll rebel. He doesn't even have the balls to say the F-word.
> Well, I do. FUCK KLBJ and its tired, lame rehashing of 70's AOR.
>
> Britt Daniel
Ditto. As another poster pointed out recently, KLBJ hasn't been even a
half-way decent radio station since 1982, when they went away from
free-form. So I've had twelve years of listening to it once every
couple of months, hearing that indeed it's still the same old boring
shit, and then turning it off again.
And don't even get me started on that morning chit-chat crap!
cheers, from
charles s. geiger
KLBJdudman
(Britt Daniel) writes:
>What a rock and roll rebel. He doesn't even have the balls to say the
F-word.
>Well, I do. FUCK KLBJ and its tired, lame rehashing of 70's AOR.
>Britt Daniel
No Britt it's not balls its called courtesy. But if you insist .....naw
it's not worth stooping. By the way do the people who run the fine
orginzation at origin approve of such language ?
Gaylyn Johnson
(KLBJdudman) wrote:
> In article <3803he$g...@boris.eden.com>, ha...@eden.com (happy) writes:
>
>
> >2. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air). (I honestly don't know)
>
> This one is true.
>
Well, as a morning listener of KLBJ EVERY morning....I gotta say
that you don't play much music Dale. Maybe a little less arguing
and a little more music would be nice.
> >(If number 2 is true then answer number 3)
>
> >3. Dale Dudley plays music (on the air) based on a playlist.
>
> Partially true. I scratch about 60% of the records on my log each day. I
> am free to choose the music, based on my past rating success.
Who cares?? If "happy" doesn't like the music that KLBJ plays, feel
free to CHANGE THE CHANNEL!
> >5. The majority of radio stations repetitively play current hits
> throughout
> the day.
>
> Somewhat true, depending on the format. The reason being that most people
> with 9-5 jobs listen at the most for 20 minutes a day. The idea is to
> familarize them with the newest records.
Well, Z102 claims they don't. Of course, all they play is 20
year old music. They also claim they play 50 minutes of music
an hour. No way. (This may have changed since they changed their
morning show to the "ZOO". I quit listening at that point.)
If the 9-5 folks really only listen to the radio 20 minutes
a day, chances are good that this is on the way to work--on the
way home. (right??) Then wouldn't it be great if they got to
listen to MUSIC??? The afternoon shows are usually very good. The
lunchtime shows are very good also. What's wrong with radio in
the morning?? If people really want to listen to talk shows in the
morning, there's PLENTY to listen to on the AM. (..including KLBJ
AM!!)
>
> >6. Radio personalities occasionally have esoteric conversations with no
> regard to the listeners.
>
> False. All conversations on the radio, on my show are meant to entertain
> the listeners. Acorrding to the last Arbitron numbers we are doing that.
> I'll let you look if your nice and you clean off that smokey smell Vince.
>
I agree. False. Dale argues with his co-host every morning,whins
about the people (and he groups US all together stereotypically) on
the internet and calls them all geeks, and still their ratings are
good. Some one out there must like it....
> >7. Dale Dudley has learned something positive from these posts and with
> his new found knowledge will attempt to make a difference.
>
> True. I've learned to never respond to a ridiculous post such as your
> orginal. I will make a differance by being the only Jock in town to give
> advance warning of flames on the geek-net.
"Geek-net"?? Well, your right in what you said this morning
Everyone has an opinion...happy, myself, even you.
--
Gaylyn Johnson gay...@fubar.sps.mot.com
Motorola, Inc. (512)891-2348
Disclaimer:
Motorola's not responsible for anything I say...
then again, neither am I.
Andrew Russell
: In article <bdaniel.34...@origin.ea.com>
: bda...@origin.ea.com (Britt Daniel) writes:
Comon guys, in the early 80's I made a whole wad of money off of program
directors who wanted an easy way to make play lists, and ways to sort them
and (shudder) make them more interesting. These managers were looking for a
way to reign in the wild men of their stations. By the way, most jocks
get paid minimum wage, because they have all those chances to make big bucks
with the adds, I don't know if that has changed in the last 20 years, but
I'll bet it has not.
To you Mr. Daniel, I see that you represent origin, I'll visit with your
postmaster.
and to Mr. Daniel, and Mr. Geiger, everyone has the same choice of changing
the channel, or of putting up your own wad of money and starting your own
radio station, it's not hard.
--
A.G. Russell High Order Software internet: arus...@bga.com
These are my views, on anyone else they would look silly.
GregLegg
(cgeiger) writes:
>Ditto. As another poster pointed out recently, KLBJ hasn't been even a
>half-way decent radio station since 1982, when they went away from
>free-form. So I've had twelve years of listening to it once every
>couple of months, hearing that indeed it's still the same old boring
>shit, and then turning it off again.
If you want to be honest about it, there haven't been ANY free-form
stations to speak of since that time. That's when FM was uprooted from
the underground and given to the suits. A lot of praise has been given to
free-form KFAN in Fredericksburg for emulating that style of programming,
but they usually play stuff I don't want to listen to, anyway. (As I burn
yet another bridge...)
This doesn't pertain to just Austin, but morning chit-chat gives some
vibrancy to a station (although there are stations that should just stick
to playing music because their morning people are so lame). No sense in
complaining about too much talk in the morning shows after complaining
about how the station plays 'the same old shit' that you don't want to
hear, anyway.
You want to know what really pisses me off? Mandatory insurance! At
least with radio, you always have a choice (or hopefully, at least a tape
deck...)
wondrboy
: In article <bdaniel.34...@origin.ea.com>, bda...@origin.ea.com
: (Britt Daniel) writes:
: >Britt Daniel
Courtesy? Oh please.
Take your lanky Richard Marx looking ass home.
You're as tired as that lame heardthisfuckingsong 21,000+ times shit I
imagine you play on the radio.
It's a cool rock and roll thing to call people and try to get them fired
for insulting you.
You rocker you.
It's not ->OUR<- fault you make shit pay to play washed out oatmeal rock
and roll and make lame jokes with your fellow on-air wanks.
Get over it and find that Scorpions album. Before I kick you.
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Gr...@bga.com
>In article <bdaniel.34...@origin.ea.com>
>bda...@origin.ea.com (Britt Daniel) writes:
>
>> What a rock and roll rebel. He doesn't even have the balls to say the F-word.
>> Well, I do. FUCK KLBJ and its tired, lame rehashing of 70's AOR.
>>
>> Britt Daniel
>
>half-way decent radio station since 1982, when they went away from
>free-form. So I've had twelve years of listening to it once every
>couple of months, hearing that indeed it's still the same old boring
>shit, and then turning it off again.
>
KLBJdudman
writes:
>Take your lanky Richard Marx looking ass home.
Wow this one is new...Usually it's Kenny G, or Wierd Al or Stern.....
>It's a cool rock and roll thing to call people and try to get them fired
>for insulting you.
Fired...I haven't ask that anyone be fired. Did you invent this ?
>Get over it and find that Scorpions album. Before I kick you.
Get to kickin' WonderBOY...And I do stress BOY.
GregLegg
(KLBJdudman) writes:
>Wow this one is new...Usually it's Kenny G, or Wierd Al or Stern.....
At least the last one is an ADMITTED wanker... Kind of a weird assortment
of people to resemble. My condolensces...
Hey, I though you weren't going to post anymore!
Chris the Great
>>I think you two should settle this with a friendly game of DooM or DooM
>>II at AVG - Austin Virtual Gaming!!!
>
>Not just Doom, DOOM II.....Yes ... I hereby lay down the glove.
>
>DD
Dale Dudley, renaissance man... DJ, comedian, dramatic actor (soon to
make his theatrical debut), Internet flamer, redneck, and DOOM player?
I want in on this...
BTW Dale I missed the show Wednesday... what happened w/the Breast Boy's
date?
Chris the Great
>We have over 300 pwads!!! We have Aliens-TC...SCARY!!!
Is there any way that us little people can get those for home use?
Where do YOU get them from?
Chris the Great
>>It must really be entertaining to hear your aserbic wit over real
>>loud-speakers in a real club. I wish I could go back into the clubs again
>>and rake in that giant salary. Jeezze what was I thinking? You must have a
>>huge following!!! Good luck on that Z-rock thing. I'm sure with thier 2
>>share, once your through with me I won't be able to appear at Sneakers..
>
>Sorry, I don't use a mic. I'm sure it's hard for you to imagine that people
>would actually want to hear music instead of an obnoxious voice terrorizing
>their ears.
Gotta stick up for Dale for a second-- my general feeling is that the
difference between you and Dale is that he had a CHOICE about whether to
use a mic or not. Anyone can play music that someone else recorded and
have a crowd of people enjoy it. Being able to entertain (most of the
time) through his wit and not having to rely on other people's work is
what allows Dale to be where he is, and keeps you where you are. In
other words, if people thought you were funny, I'm pretty sure you'd add
some monologue to your job... but you don't need to worry about THAT ever
happening.
>
>I wish I could work in a radio station so that I could play music that
>people would actually want to hear. Nah, why would I want to work three
>times the hours for the same amount of money. I notice a note of sarcasm in
>your _giant salary_ statement, good club DJs make alot of money... i'm
I'd bet certain parts of my anatomy that DD could buy and sell you.
>guessing you probably weren't good. What were you thinking? Probably
>something along the lines of... I only annoy a few hundred people with my
>inability to mix so i'll become a radio DJ and annoy thousands. My
>following isn't nearly as large as your over-inflated ego.
Hard to imagine that half of a town this big would subject themselves to
listening to someone who did nothing but annoy them every day.
I think anyone in Dale's position would have an ego, justifiably,
Mr. Happy.
>> Yes and I'm recording it to disc, extended dance mix, will be out soon on
>>the same label as your EP, could you spin it in your club in front of your
>>dozens of fans ?
>
>I have the freedom to play whatever I wish. Could you play it?
He's played worse.
Chris the Great
>know nothing about. Wether good or bad, it is about making money. Yes it's
>true we all want to hear a wide range of music. But there are so many
>stations now that niche programming has become the only way to stay aflot
>in the commercial market.
>
>Really this is kind of like the student testing the pupil,
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Ouch, Dale....
Trying to coin a new cliche for future generations?
Chris the Great
>> with 9-5 jobs listen at the most for 20 minutes a day. The idea is to
>> familarize them with the newest records.
>
> a day, chances are good that this is on the way to work--on the
> way home. (right??) Then wouldn't it be great if they got to
> listen to MUSIC??? The afternoon shows are usually very good. The
> lunchtime shows are very good also. What's wrong with radio in
> the morning?? If people really want to listen to talk shows in the
> morning, there's PLENTY to listen to on the AM. (..including KLBJ
> AM!!)
Yeah, those AM shows are just HI-LARIOUS!
I disagree. I like a few laughs on the way to school or work. I am
actually a bit disappointed when I flip the radio on in the morning and
D&B are playing music... I'm looking for some humor... but generally I
think that they do a pretty good job balancing the time between music and
talk. One thing that gets a little under my skin is Dale's false modesty
on the show... the stuff about "Does anyone REALLY listen to this show?"
Then he comes on the net and gets a little cocky about his ratings...
pick a side, Dale. Other than that I have no complaints.
As far as a playlist goes, somehow I doubt that the Rugburns' "Football
Tonight" has been on the playlist too frequently. I love it.
KLBJdudman
writes:
>Hey, I though you weren't going to post anymore!
Well, Greg
I couldn't just lay there and let him call me Kenny G !
:)
DD
Austin Virtual Gaming
: >We have over 300 pwads!!! We have Aliens-TC...SCARY!!!
: Is there any way that us little people can get those for home use?
: Where do YOU get them from?
99% of them are deathmatch only wads... no fun for single player... but
great fun with 4 people! try getting them from
infant2.sphs.indiana.edu in the doom directory.
GET IN THE RING!!!!! GET IN THE RING!!!! GET IN THE RING!!!!
AVG
David Smith
The rumors I've always heard was that many/most/not-all-but-a-lot of club
djs were actually in on the drug dealing that went on in their clubs.
Buying all those records at up to $15 to $20 a pop or more adds up when
your collection is in the hundreds.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't know if it is true or not, just
that it is what I hear other people say.
--
thanks, |
|
David Smith |
bla...@bga.com |
Ray Shea
>The rumors I've always heard was that many/most/not-all-but-a-lot of club
>djs were actually in on the drug dealing that went on in their clubs.
>Buying all those records at up to $15 to $20 a pop or more adds up when
>your collection is in the hundreds.
>
>Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't know if it is true or not, just
>that it is what I hear other people say.
I've heard other people tell me some story about this kid named Craig
Shergold, but...nah, you wouldn't believe it if I told you.
$15-$20 a pop for 12-inch singles? Uh, David, you need to buy your music
somewhere else, you are getting ripped off big time.
Many DJ's belong to record pools, so they subscribe for a monthly fee and
get records in the mail. Some get promo records for free. At any rate,
even the hard-to-get import stuff is not going to cost $15-$20 per single.
--
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GregLegg
(KLBJdudman) writes:
>I couldn't just lay there and let him call me Kenny G !
>
> :)
I would have done the same thing in your shoes. Can't see what other
choice you had...
KLBJdudman
(Chris the Great) writes:
>Ouch, Dale....
>Trying to coin a new cliche for future generations?
That's what I get for typing in anger. There should be a waiting period
for keyboard purchase.
:)
KLBJdudman
(Chris the Great) writes:
>"Does anyone REALLY listen to this show?"
Yeah then you come in when the phone refuses to ring. It's kind of like
being in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean. False modesty ? I'm
usually a bit of an ego-maniac on the air. Thanks for the nice words.
DD
Chris the Great
>>"Does anyone REALLY listen to this show?"
>
>Yeah then you come in when the phone refuses to ring. It's kind of like
>being in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean. False modesty ? I'm
>usually a bit of an ego-maniac on the air. Thanks for the nice words.
That seems hard to believe from this end... your lines are ALWAYS busy.
Also, I've never heard you stroke your ego on the air to a point of it
being noteworthy... here on the net it's a different story, hehe...
PS You should do a show live from a submarine at the bottom of the ocean
sometime!
Chris the Great
>>Trying to coin a new cliche for future generations?
>That's what I get for typing in anger. There should be a waiting period
>for keyboard purchase.
Does that mean that MY post angered you? I hope you don't have to
purchase a keyboard everytime you post....
That could get expensive...
The Loescherian
> >Take your lanky Richard Marx looking ass home.
In Dale's defense: he does a good job at what he's supposed to do
(evidenced by the ratings earned by the show). Whether the material he
plays is good or not is merely a matter of opinion. Just like anybody else,
his job description calls for him to do x,y,& z, and do it better than
anybody else in the market. He does that. Case closed.
Additionally, having worked at a two-bit, popsicle-sticks-and-rubber-bands
AM/FM station, I know that the radio biz is cutthroat and unpleasant in the
extreme. How would you like to wake up every morning knowing that 30,000
people want your job, all of whom are certain they can do it better than
you, although they haven't a freaking clue what you do other than play
records and talk occasionally. And even when you do your best, there'll be
some jerk ready to cut you down for no other reason than his own twisted
enjoyment.
And as to the smarmy appearance comparisons: does that really help prove
your case? I think not.
If you're gonna' judge, judge the show (and the talent) on its merits, not
on what you in all you're infinite 19-year-old,
never-had-a-real-job-unless-you-count-Pizza-Hut,
I-got-a-guitar-so-I-must-be-a-musician, party-on, Metallica-rules-Dude
wisdom think it should be.
NOTE: I don't know Mr. Dudley, although I met him at Tangerine's once and
he was drunker than hell. Nor have I, or will I ever exchange bodily fluids
with him, or any other media weasel. Except maybe DebraÉ
--
Share & Enjoy! - The Loescherian (loesc...@mail.utexas.edu)
"There is no truth but that which we choose to believe;
there is no point to life but that which we choose to give it."
Richard Hasting
> In article <385ute$8...@boris.eden.com>, wond...@eden.com (wondrboy)
> writes:
>
> >Take your lanky Richard Marx looking ass home.
>
> Wow this one is new...Usually it's Kenny G, or Wierd Al or Stern.....
>
silliness deleted..
>
Hi Dale,
Wow, I never thought that someone sticking their head up would
come under such fire. This is the most lively fight I have seen in weeks:-)
I hope you realize that not all us "geeks" are so rude and untethered:-)
I do think that "Austin Radio" in general is pretty focused on the
teen-bopper, college crowd types. It has forced me to the AM dial, and having
4 CD players:-)
As for your morning show, to which I rarely listen, some of the dialog is
just too juvenile for intelligent adult audiences (Yeah, I'm thirty already)
I realize that this isn't "bad", just not to my liking.
As for the music list being 20 years old, I can't stand 85% of the "new" music
being played anyway. I'm sorry, but between RAP and Nirvana, I prefer
anything that has stood up to time, as long as it isn't The BeeGees:-)
But hey! Good luck on keeping your show up in the ratings, and welcome to
the world of geekdom!
Sincerely,
Richard Hasting
Richard Hasting, Computer Literacy 2000 Project Office
ric...@kunikpok.icus.com
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
wondrboy
The Loescherian (loesc...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: In article <386h2i$p...@newsbf01.news.aol.com>, klbjd...@aol.com
: (KLBJdudman) wrote:
: > >Take your lanky Richard Marx looking ass home.
: In Dale's defense: he does a good job at what he's supposed to do
I agree, having heard his show, he is a well trained and well performing
chimp.
: some jerk ready to cut you down for no other reason than his own twisted
: enjoyment.
Isn't that what he does every morning????
: And as to the smarmy appearance comparisons: does that really help prove
: your case? I think not.
NO, but it's fun and in this case true.
: If you're gonna' judge, judge the show (and the talent) on its merits, not
: on what you in all you're infinite 19-year-old,
: never-had-a-real-job-unless-you-count-Pizza-Hut,
: I-got-a-guitar-so-I-must-be-a-musician, party-on, Metallica-rules-Dude
: wisdom think it should be.
I don't like Metallica, and advocate the death penalty for anyone who
uses the word 'party' as a verb.
The rest of it ain't true either.
: Share & Enjoy! - The Loescherian
(loesc...@mail.utexas.edu)
: "There is no truth but that which we choose to believe;
: there is no point to life but that which we choose to give it."
Put some shoes on hippy.
--
John Caballero
ric...@kunikpok.icus.com writes:
> As for your morning show, to which I rarely listen, some of the dialog
is
> just too juvenile for intelligent adult audiences (Yeah, I'm thirty
already)
> I realize that this isn't "bad", just not to my liking.
I do listen to the morning show on my way to work and I enjoy it quite a
bit (but I'm still just a pup at age twenty nine, and my wife is forty
and she listens every morning also)! There's a reason that it doesn't
cater to intelligent adult audiences exclusively and it's because more
than just intelligent adult people are listening! I'm sure that if Dud
and company could do the type of show they wanted, it'd be different
(probably be the radio equivalent of Beavis -n- Butthead). I think if I
only listened occasionally I might share Mr. Hasting's opinion, but the
true spirit of what the morning show is all about can only be known from
continious exposure.
The Loescherian
> : And as to the smarmy appearance comparisons: does that really help prove
> : your case? I think not.
>
> NO, but it's fun and in this case true.
>
> : If you're gonna' judge, judge the show (and the talent) on its merits, not
> : on what you in all you're infinite 19-year-old,
> : never-had-a-real-job-unless-you-count-Pizza-Hut,
> : I-got-a-guitar-so-I-must-be-a-musician, party-on, Metallica-rules-Dude
> : wisdom think it should be.
>
> I don't like Metallica, and advocate the death penalty for anyone who
> uses the word 'party' as a verb.
>
> The rest of it ain't true either.
It may not be true, but it's funÉ
> : "There is no truth but that which we choose to believe;
> : there is no point to life but that which we choose to give it."
>
> Put some shoes on hippy.
Curious choice of words, considering I'm a raging capitalist swine, eagerly
raping and pillaging the environment for my own personal gain. But then
again, name calling is easier than thinking. That's why I do it so
oftenÉafter all, thinking's dangerous.
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Viva Los SkinHeads NorteAmericanos!!!!!
> "Show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker." Malcolm X
> -----------------+>>>wond...@eden.com<<<+-----------------------
And if you're a skinhead, I have just one question for you: if you've
decided to hate some subsection of the world population for no rational
reason, can't you at least be original in your xenophobia?
--
wondrboy
: In article <38nh0r$c...@boris.eden.com>, wond...@eden.com (wondrboy) wrote:
: >
: > I don't like Metallica, and advocate the death penalty for anyone who
: > Put some shoes on hippy.
: Curious choice of words, considering I'm a raging capitalist swine, eagerly
: raping and pillaging the environment for my own personal gain. But then
: again, name calling is easier than thinking. That's why I do it so
: oftenÉafter all, thinking's dangerous.
: And if you're a skinhead, I have just one question for you: if you've
: decided to hate some subsection of the world population for no rational
: reason, can't you at least be original in your xenophobia?
Who said I disliked anyone but you? Oh, I see, you saw that Geraldo with
those big mean scary Nazi skinheads and so you think ALL skinheads are
nazis. I guess thinking IS pretty dangerous.
Bollocks.
--
The Loescherian
wrote:
> The Loescherian (loesc...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
> >: And if you're a skinhead, I have just one question for you: if you've
> >: decided to hate some subsection of the world population for no rational
> >: reason, can't you at least be original in your xenophobia?
>
> Wondrboy replies:
> >Who said I disliked anyone but you? Oh, I see, you saw that Geraldo with
> >those big mean scary Nazi skinheads and so you think ALL skinheads are
> >nazis. I guess thinking IS pretty dangerous.
> >
> >Bollocks.
>
> Word. Aye fuckin' word, brutha.
I did not, in fact, say that all skinheads are nazis. What I did say is
that the skinheads I have been exposed to (and this is *not* an inexact
choice of words) tend to have rather confrontational attitudes towards
others. The fact that the stereotypical Nazi skinheads share this attitude
is merely coincidental.
If you choose to associate yourself with a group, you participate in the
development of the stereotype for that group.
Be what you wanna' be, do what you wanna' do Ð as long as you don't cross
my line in the sand, I don't give a wet flap.
wondrboy
Distribution: austin
The Loescherian (loesc...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: In article <slugg...@podbox.UUCP>, slu...@podbox.UUCP (John Yarbrough)
: wrote:
: > >Who said I disliked anyone but you? Oh, I see, you saw that Geraldo with
: > >those big mean scary Nazi skinheads and so you think ALL skinheads are
: > >nazis. I guess thinking IS pretty dangerous.
: > >
: > >Bollocks.
: >
: > Word. Aye fuckin' word, brutha.
: I did not, in fact, say that all skinheads are nazis. What I did say is
: that the skinheads I have been exposed to (and this is *not* an inexact
: choice of words) tend to have rather confrontational attitudes towards
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: others. The fact that the stereotypical Nazi skinheads share this attitude
: is merely coincidental.
Don't we all have confrontational attitudes? Isn't that the only reason I
even think you exist?
: If you choose to associate yourself with a group, you participate in the
: development of the stereotype for that group.
: Be what you wanna' be, do what you wanna' do Ð as long as you don't cross
: my line in the sand, I don't give a wet flap.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's the problem, hippy, lines in the sand are always changing. Those
are certainly easy to defend, but not much fun. I've never appreciated
the merit of the whole line in the sand colloquialism.
: Share & Enjoy! - The Loescherian (loesc...@mail.utexas.edu)
: "There is no truth but that which we choose to believe;
: there is no point to life but that which we choose to give it."
Whatever.