OMG! It's 9/11! Run for your lives!
Lars Eighner
the disaster to get a better view.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 78
1887.7 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Warbama: An LBJ for the Twenty-First century. No hope. No change.
Baron
"Lars Eighner" <use...@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhnqrf0...@debranded.larseighner.com...
> Of course, in Texas, what folks do is hop in their cars and drive *toward*
> the disaster to get a better view.
Texas have No Fear, DA.
We got or beer and our guns.
you know it is legal to have a gun in your car now ?
without a carry permit?
But not an open Beer ?
Al
Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
> Of course, in Texas, what folks do is hop in their cars and drive *toward*
> the disaster to get a better view.
Ever been out of state?
Dr.Libaralkiler
People who have guns in their car don't veer all over the road, plow into
schoolkids and run red lights because they're carrying a gun.
Now, if they ingested the gun, and maybe the nitrates in the ammo, and ate
a lot of metallic guns parts and sucked down some ammo, and THEN killed
people while impaired, maybe we'd change the law, what do you think?
Oh, sorry. A rhetorical-snide question of which I already know the answer.
--
A fine is a tax for doing wrong
A tax is a fine for doing well
Dr.Libaralkiler
scribblednews:slrnhnqrf0...@debranded.larseighner.com:
> Of course, in Texas, what folks do is hop in their cars and drive *toward*
> the disaster to get a better view.
>
2 cheers for him!
But the dummy should have loaded up his plane with nitrates and more gas
and gone after the big IRS center on 135.
If you read his letter, how scary it is that many of us beleive exactly as he
does.
I hope this might start a mini revolution of people who are "mad as hell and
not going to take it anymore".
Norman from Home Depot
"Dr.Libaralkiler" <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com>
> scribblednews:slrnhnqrf0...@debranded.larseighner.com:
>
> > Of course, in Texas, what folks do is hop in their cars and drive *toward*
> > the disaster to get a better view.
> >
>
> 2 cheers for him!
> But the dummy should have loaded up his plane with nitrates and more gas
> and gone after the big IRS center on 135.
>
> If you read his letter, how scary it is that many of us beleive exactly as he
> does.
>
> I hope this might start a mini revolution of people who are "mad as hell and
> not going to take it anymore".
Aw hell, we get these sorts all the time at the depot, you oughta see
'em when the paint color is way off. Holy smoke.
The folks who catch me wrong and chew my ear, I tell 'em I know the
aisle for you, number seven. Screws.
Then I take my break, fuck them and their landscaping timbers.
The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
I told him our tape measures were gray market chi-com rip-offs and
couldn't be trusted, and he ended up buying a buttload of lumber, and
the tape measure.
For all I know, this fella is building some sort of device, not the
gazebo he says about.
Down at the the depot, we don't really talk about the risk, but our
wives and sweeties and our kids and mommas always wonder if we're coming
back when we put on that apron.
Al
"Dr.Libaralkiler" <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
I did all that and drove just fine.
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
> The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
> he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who actually
worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 80
1929.6 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Norman from Home Depot
Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
> In our last episode, <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
>
> > The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
> > he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
>
> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
> hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who actually
> worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
Well, yeah, we all know that - that was the point of the story. Seems to
have gone over your head.
Lars Eighner
<elguapo-17C646...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
broadcast on austin.general:
> In article <slrnhnvf3v....@debranded.larseighner.com>,
> Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>> In our last episode, <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
>> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
>>
>> > The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
>> > he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
>>
>> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
>> hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who actually
>> worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
> Well, yeah, we all know that - that was the point of the story. Seems to
> have gone over your head.
Well, my point is, this guy can't be for real. Either:
1) he's having you on, or
2) he's too stupid to have lumber.
Just don't blame me if his survivors sue your ass for selling lumber to an
idiot who is bound to hurt himself with it.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 80
1941.3 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Alaskan Beaver Hunter
> For all I know, this fella is building some sort of device, not the
> gazebo he says about.
>
> Down at the the depot, we don't really talk about the risk, but our
> wives and sweeties and our kids and mommas always wonder if we're coming
> back when we put on that apron.
I didn't realize the career path of the depot was that dangerous.
I guess there is no end of death and destruction one semi-smart
guy could assemble a gadget into with parts from dat'depot.
Do the lawn and garden weekend employees recommend any special
fertilizer mix and gasoline ratio for the ideal IRS truck bomb ?
Grumpy AuContraire
> Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com>
> scribblednews:slrnhnqrf0...@debranded.larseighner.com:
>
>> Of course, in Texas, what folks do is hop in their cars and drive *toward*
>> the disaster to get a better view.
>>
>
> 2 cheers for him!
> But the dummy should have loaded up his plane with nitrates and more gas
> and gone after the big IRS center on 135.
>
> If you read his letter, how scary it is that many of us beleive exactly as he
> does.
>
> I hope this might start a mini revolution of people who are "mad as hell and
> not going to take it anymore".
>
>
This guy did his homework and knew exactly where his tormentors were
located. He did miss the mark by a couple of feet otherwise the plane
would have went inside which would have caused much more immediate damage.
Grumpy AuContraire
> In our last episode, <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
>
>> The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
>> he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
>
> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
> hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who actually
> worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
>
Rough sawed lumber is 2x4, 2x6 etc. It just that is is not seen much
these days unless you get it from a local sawmill.
JT
the wharf rat
Grumpy AuContraire <Grum...@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>
>This guy did his homework and knew exactly where his tormentors were
"His tormentors"? Looks to me like he cheated on his taxes and
got caught...
Lane
@reader2.panix.com:
It's worse than that. He failed multiple times in business and blamed
everyone but himself.
His screed cites Section 1706, a provision I know well, being a software
consultant myself. All it says is that, as a consultant, he is
responsible to pay his own payroll taxes, since he's not an actual
employee. He got paid more as a consultant in return for the
understanding that his payroll taxes were his responsibility. His claim
that this was somehow unfair or a way to pick on little guys for the
benefit of big companies was just delusional.
But, set aside the mundane details, anyone who would actually advocate
for people like this idiot deserve to be visited by the FBI and given
their own special look at the power of the Federal government, IMHO.
--
Lane
Norman from Home Depot
Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
> In our last episode,
> <elguapo-17C646...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot
> broadcast on austin.general:
>
> > In article <slrnhnvf3v....@debranded.larseighner.com>,
> > Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>
> >> In our last episode, <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> >> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
> >>
> >> > The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
> >> > he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
> >>
> >> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
> >> hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who actually
> >> worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
>
> > Well, yeah, we all know that - that was the point of the story. Seems to
> > have gone over your head.
>
> Well, my point is, this guy can't be for real. Either:
>
> 1) he's having you on, or
> 2) he's too stupid to have lumber.
Could be, but I'm just about the smartest guy on the floor at my depot,
2-stripe apron with the extra pocket and the whole works, It's pretty
hard to have me on, you can ask the guys in Plumbing about that.
The fella may have been to stupid to have lumber, but he had the smarts
to come to my depot and get some, and after I pointed out that the
not-quite 2x4's were all the rage, much lighter, easier to transport
with a sleek, modern look - he was on board.
> Just don't blame me if his survivors sue your ass for selling lumber to an
> idiot who is bound to hurt himself with it.
Well, I sell other stuff too, at the depot. You may not realize it, but
you just became a good customer.
Norman from Home Depot
Fella, if you walk on my floor with questions like that, you're going
down hard.
The orange apron is America's first and last line of defense in the
household-item terrorism game, and we're trained accordingly in
profiling, threat assessment, hand-to-hand combat, target acquisition,
covert operations and safe table-saw procedures.
You wanna play that game, you go to Costco or Payless, they'll sell
anyone anything and the folks on the floor are mostly parolees.
And their lumber is even skinnier than ours.
Norman from Home Depot
Grumpy AuContraire <Grum...@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
Well, you can get it down at the depot if you buy our store brand tape
measure, Mr. Eighner did.
Ivan Skavinsky Skavar
Lane <absolu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What would be the relevant legal charge, were someone to "advocate for
people like this" in a public forum devoted to political discussion?
Grumpy AuContraire
A liberal themed tape measure that is overly optimistic???
JT
George Kerby
On 2/20/10 10:48 PM, in article
Xns9D25DD8BDA6EC...@188.40.43.213, "Lane"
<absolu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's all Bush's fault, I tell ya!!!
Lars Eighner
lovely and talented Grumpy AuContraire broadcast on austin.general:
Fiat lumber.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 81
1962.6 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Norman from Home Depot
Grumpy AuContraire <Grum...@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
It measures in thirds too.
Not to mention you can move the numbers to achieve the measurement you
want, if the actual measurement is not to your liking.
Big seller in the Berkeley area, not so much at my depot because it's a
conservative customer base. However, we do get some folks who are
looking to do something about their carbon footprint, we tell 'em this
is the best way.
Al
George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's what the pilot said, so now if we see or hear that claim, we're
calling the FBI.
Norman from Home Depot
Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
> In our last episode, <b4idnTsuTfuR5RzW...@giganews.com>, the
> lovely and talented Grumpy AuContraire broadcast on austin.general:
>
> > Norman from Home Depot wrote:
> >> In article <_uKdnbPkMccBFB3W...@giganews.com>,
> >> Grumpy AuContraire <Grum...@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lars Eighner wrote:
> >>>> In our last episode,
> >>>> <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> >>>> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on
> >>>> austin.general:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4, and
> >>>>> he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
> >>>> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"? It
> >>>> hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who
> >>>> actually
> >>>> worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are pretty long.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Rough sawed lumber is 2x4, 2x6 etc. It just that is is not seen much
> >>> these days unless you get it from a local sawmill.
> >>>
> >>> JT
> >>
> >> Well, you can get it down at the depot if you buy our store brand tape
> >> measure, Mr. Eighner did.
>
>
>
> > A liberal themed tape measure that is overly optimistic???
>
> Fiat lumber.
At the depot, we do not sell imported lumber of any size, nor lumber
with a reputation for breaking.
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:slrnho0o6i...@debranded.larseighner.com:
> In our last episode,
> <elguapo-17C646...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> the lovely and talented Norman from Home Depot
> broadcast on austin.general:
>
>> In article <slrnhnvf3v....@debranded.larseighner.com>,
>> Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>
>>> In our last episode,
>>> <elguapo-5242C3...@news-wc.giganews.com>, the lovely and
>>> talented Norman from Home Depot broadcast on austin.general:
>>>
>>> > The other day some geezer was at me because our 2x4's weren't 2x4,
>>> > and he used a tape measure off the rack to show me.
>>>
>>> How old do you have to be to remember when 2"x4" really were 2"x4"?
>>> It hasn't been so for at least 100 years, so the odds of someone who
>>> actually worked with 2"x4"s being able to walk into the store are
>>> pretty long.
>
>> Well, yeah, we all know that - that was the point of the story. Seems
>> to have gone over your head.
>
> Well, my point is, this guy can't be for real. Either:
>
> 1) he's having you on, or
> 2) he's too stupid to have lumber.
>
> Just don't blame me if his survivors sue your ass for selling lumber to
> an idiot who is bound to hurt himself with it.
>
I hope he gave him the mandatory 30 page instruction booklet and warnings
that are required by law to come with every 2' of 2x4 lumber sold...don't
want to get sued if he accidentely sticks one up his ass along with a
gerbil, or tries feeding pieces of one to his baby, or if he attempts to
smoke one...
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:_uKdnbPkMccBFB3W...@giganews.com:
Used to be in the old days that a big rip saw would cut the lumber to 2 x 4
specs but quite a bit of it would be lost in the process of using big old
teeth'd rip saws as waste.
But the wily industry hasn't let the rules be changed for legal wieghts,
measurments and sizes since the 1800's even though the saws these days can
clean cut lumber with barely any loss, and they pocket the diference.
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:elguapo-67F3EF...@news-wc.giganews.com:
>
> Well, you can get it down at the depot if you buy our store brand tape
> measure, Mr. Eighner did.
>
Shit! No wonder my dick measures so small....
Using Home Depot tape measures.
Grumpy AuContraire
Call it the era of the bean counters...
JT
FoxP2 Squared
When the tax system takes away over 50% of your hard earned income in taxes,
they are my "tormentors".
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:Xns9D25DD8BDA6EC...@188.40.43.213:
Like all wannabe facists, you think that free speech is not protected and
"someone ought to do something about that speech cheering Stack".
the wharf rat
silly old kermit <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
>
>When the tax system takes away over 50% of your hard earned income in taxes,
>they are my "tormentors".
>
Lol. If your effective tax rate is 50% you need an accountant.
Norman from Home Depot
FoxP2 Squared <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
Now hold on here, we don't sell any pets at the depot and if someone
wants to misuse lumber or appliances or what have you, we have no
control over that sort of thing.
We're trained to spot it, but we can't stop it. Don't think we don't
know how many of the items we offer can be easily weaponized, but the
orange apron has only so much power.
Norman from Home Depot
FoxP2 Squared <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au>
> scribblednews:elguapo-67F3EF...@news-wc.giganews.com:
>
> >
> > Well, you can get it down at the depot if you buy our store brand tape
> > measure, Mr. Eighner did.
> >
>
> Shit! No wonder my dick measures so small....
>
> Using Home Depot tape measures.
Well yeah, we sell a lot to Asians, but they buy a lot of weird stuff
that doesn't make much sense.
For instance we got this young Asian fella, maybe he's an oriental, or
could be Vietnamese, I can't tell, but he smells like fish and he only
buys nails. Never buys lumber or a hammer, just nails. Every darn week,
he buys nails.
Now, I'm required by by oath to report such an anomoly, and I do, every
week. I call our special number at Homeland Security and report this
guy, but I dunno, every time I talk to these guys, it's like they're
eating sandwiches or something.
But the guy is still buying all these nails, and I like I said he
doesn't speak American and none if it makes sense to me.
FoxP2 Squared
> But the guy is still buying all these nails, and I like I said he
> doesn't speak American and none if it makes sense to me.
>
If you speak really loud to him, he'll understand.
If he doesn't he must be just another stoopid furriner.
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:hm17ss$j1j$3...@reader2.panix.com:
Dumbass....the combined tax rate on all Americans is about 60%.
You, like all liberals, want to make people beleive that tax is simple and
that's it. "only pennies a day...." line of bullshit/con artistry.
Combine all the corporate taxes on items, medicare, ss, the sales tax,
income tax, tax on tax, tax on profits, taxes and fees and surcharges, the
"basic" charges on your phone, tax on foods, utility bills, the fees,
everything, and you work more days for the government than you do for
yourself.
I thought every basicly intelligent person knew this already...
the wharf rat
silly old kermit <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dumbass....the combined tax rate on all Americans is about 60%.
>
How do you figure? The highest marginal rates are around 38%.
>Combine all the corporate taxes on items, medicare, ss, the sales tax,
>income tax, tax on tax, tax on profits, taxes and fees and surcharges, the
Fees and surcharges are not taxes. The highest marginal tax
rates for corporations are 38%,and almost no one pays that rate. Sales
tax is deductible, as are many other state and local taxes.
You're just spouting nonsense because you like the way it sounds.
Can you put that 5 hours of accounting to use and show some figures?
>I thought every basicly intelligent person knew this already...
Every intelligent person with a good imagination and a stronge
paranoid bent maybe...
John Black
> In article <Xns9D2A63A...@69.16.186.7>,
> silly old kermit <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Dumbass....the combined tax rate on all Americans is about 60%.
> >
>
> How do you figure? The highest marginal rates are around 38%.
60% sounds a little high BUT if you add up what you pay in income tax plus
what you pay in social security and medicare tax BOTH of those times 2
because its just an illusion that your employer pays half and you pay half
-- its all YOUR salary to him, plus sales tax, plus property tax, plus
hundreds of other little taxes and fees some hidden some not, plus coporate
taxes passed onto the consumer, plus taxes on dividends and capital gains,
etc. then its real easy for middle class people to be paying in the ballpark
of 50% or more of their income in taxes.
John Black
Lane
news:MPG.25f097315...@news.eternal-september.org:
It's easy to say this in general. Would you care to do some work and
actually justify this number?
I suppose it's much easier to pull it out of your ass and hope people
take it for granted.
--
Lane
Mike Smith
Are you truly this stupid, or are you just trolling???
Mike Smith
John Black
absolu...@yahoo.com says...
Its really not that mysterious. I gave you all the ingredients above - you
just had to add them up. Using pretty conservative numbers:
Income Tax 22
Social Security 12.4
Medicare 2.9
Property Tax 6
Sales Tax 4
Dividend Tax 1
Capital Gains Tax 1
All other taxes 1
========================
Total 50.3%
Its REAL common to be paying more than 6% on your property tax around here.
For example, someone making $80,000 a year with a $250,000 house would be
paying more than 9% of their income in property tax in the Austin / Round
Rock area. Its also not unusual to be paying more than 1% in dividend and
cap gain taxes if you have some investments but I wanted to show how easy it
really is to be paying more than half your income in taxes so I used pretty
low numbers.
John Black
Norman from Home Depot
FoxP2 Squared <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au> scribblednews:elguapo-
> 0D92F0.215...@news-wc.giganews.com:
>
>
> > But the guy is still buying all these nails, and I like I said he
> > doesn't speak American and none if it makes sense to me.
> >
>
> If you speak really loud to him, he'll understand.
I did that and all the other people thought I was talking to them.
> If he doesn't he must be just another stoopid furriner.
We serve anyone at the depot regardless of national origin. I may not
personally like them, but once I put on the Orange Apron I am not me, I
am the depot.
After work, it's another matter, and the depot offers therapy when
issues develop. This began after the Bob Seferton incident, when he
killed two Hmong on the plumbing floor with a toilet seat.
the wharf rat
Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au> wrote:
>
>I am the depot.
>
Oh, I remember those guys. They had red flowerpots on their
heads, right? "Are we men or are we depot?"
Mike Smith
wrote:
You did not even factor in the hidden taxes we all pay on everything
we buy.
Taking the proverbial "gallon of milk", we pay all the income taxes
and sales taxes required to get the milk to your house, such as:
1. the cattle rancher
2. the manufacturer of all the milking and storage equipment used by
the rancher
3. the transportation company to get the milk to the producer
4. the producer
5. the transportation company to get the milk to the wholesaler
6. the wholesaler
7. the transportation company to get the milk to the retailer
8. the retailer
9. the gas to get you to the retailer
Every bit of their income taxes and sales taxes they pay to produce
their individual products are rolled into the cost of each of their
products and we pay for all of that. Mapi's 60% is possibly
understated...
All of these taxes are intentionally hidden, so we can get mad at the
big corporations, instead of big government.
Liberals cannot even begin to understand this concept. It is WAY above
their intelligence level.
Mike Smith
John Black
I know. Almost all taxes on businesses and corporations are passed along to
the consumer. I also didn't include tax on gasoline which can be up to 40%
on what we pay each year for gas. There are TONS of taxes, some hidden and
some not, that I lumped into the "all other taxes" and put at 1%. I
purposefully used very conservative numbers for all of these percentages to
show how very plausible it is that the majority of us in the middle class
are getting soaked in the ballpark of 50% of our income in taxes. Even
Mapi's 60% number is looking like less of a stretch than I origninally
thought for people in the upper middle class brackets. (Mapi can FOAD by
the way for praising Stack...)
John Black
Norman from Home Depot
Those were the Potheads - losers from Payless Cashways, and who had the
last laugh?
(Asher Edelman is somewhat of a hero on the floor, especially in
plumbing.)
As a policy, we at the depot are forbidden to express overt political
affiliation, or march with pots on our heads or with potheads with pots
on their heads, due to the sensitive nature of our work.
Behind the Apron, we're all Orange, except in the Garden Center, they're
kind of pink.
Al
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
But Obama will, can you say VAT?
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:Xns9D2AC93965FD0...@188.40.43.245:
Do your own research you lazy fuck.
I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess, to a liberal or a
slowthinker (sameo sameo) it's not.
I mean, you read that stuff but you quickly forget it becuase as a
socialist you don't want to think about it and hope the rest of the public
doesn't think about how they're getting fucked in the ass by the traitor
demorats and liberal traitors.
It's easy to find....numbers are published every year along with the
national debt clock, and foriegn trade imbalance figures etc.
Hint # 2. It's a group of people who have the world "tax" in their name,
who publish the number.
I'm not at all surprised you, warfie, most children, morons,some dogs, all
fish and most crocodiles have never heard of this.
FoxP2 Squared
4ax.com:
No, they're truly that stupid.
Never underestimate the stupidity of liberals...or the danger they pose to
all honest, working, saving, non-criminal and thrifty people of the world.
I mean, look at our city council and their striving to raise our utility
bills 40% or more with "wind power" and a whole new boondogle of "light
rail" going from, <gasp> wait for the revelation, from, you guessed it,
from UT to downtown to the airport!
I guess all those white fucking middle class assholes that pay all the
taxes out in Pflugarville, Round rock, west austin and north austin are not
all that important for cheap, efficient light rail....errr...sorry. With
liberals and libeal cities, that never happens..the "cheap, efficient" part
of it.
Lane
Simply adding percentages of different things together and calling it a
total percentage is silly. You seem to already know that, as your
property tax example illustrates.
Capital gains tax and taxes on interest is not incremental to your
overall income. It is a percentage of that income only. In fact, it's
often taxed at a rater lower than regular income, thereby lowering, not
raising, your overall tax rate.
But, again, I suspect you know that. Alas that those results don't
support your thesis.
--
Lane
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:MPG.25f10cf15...@news.eternal-september.org:
And not adding in all the "basic charges" for utilites and "fees" and
"surchages" and such, and all the myriads of other little taxes, it comes
out to over 60% of your total income, and don't forget taxing your ss
benefits AFTER you recieve them (50% of benefits taxed yet again) and then
taking away your benefits 1-2$ for every dollar you make while on SS, which
is not called a tax by the traitor liberals but amounts to the same thing.
Some instititions estimate that we pay over 75% of our income to
TAXES...and when I say taxes I mean, anything the government takes from the
honest, hardworking good people out of their money is a TAX, whatever else
you might try to decieve and obfuscate with, its a TAX!
You could spend hours and days listing thousands of "taxes" here, in
everything you do and still miss some.
Then there are the hidden taxes, like trade quotas, corporate taxes and
forgiveness of taxes for special people, which simply means the unspecial
or unconnected people (always middle class taxpayers) pay the
diference....meaning, some people get away with paying little or not taxes,
but the middle class has to pick up the slack.
Like SXSW....they're paying no fees or surcharges or taxes, but the extra
police and the roads and such have to be paid, and even though SXSW makes
millions of $ each year, are rolling in the money, WE the middle class
taxpayers have to pay the diference.
Taxation comes in many forms....and I'm not even including those in the
60%.
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:tehfo519tl2fnflfq...@4ax.com:
> All of these taxes are intentionally hidden, so we can get mad at the
> big corporations, instead of big government.
>
> Liberals cannot even begin to understand this concept. It is WAY above
> their intelligence level.
>
> Mike Smith
>
To the great mooing masses of unwashed, greedy and stupid liberals it's a
mystery and they just toe the party line, hook and sinker because they're
too stupid to think,,,,which is why they're liberals.
But to the select masters, criminals and traitor liberals who espose the
liberal cause to continue to be elected, even though they're filthy rich
and are elitists themselves, they know full well what taxes we pay and
how...and this is how they stay in power. They're a small minority.
Without taking from the productive and giving it all to the unproductive,
who far outnumber the productive, their brand of politics would never
survive.
It's a simple cash transaction, which is what all human activity is
about...humans and their needs and desires are not complicated. We're not
that complicated.
FoxP2 Squared
scribblednews:MPG.25f1c73c8...@news.eternal-september.org:
I praised the act of vengence against an unfair system that steals from the
good people and gives to the worst, the stupid and those who should be
nuetered at birth.
I'm not advocating that we all buy planes and crash into IRS building, but
I do praise anyone who stands up on their hind legs and fights back against
the system, no matter what form it takes.
For example, I praise the courage and dedication of the 9/11 terrorists,
while I also want to hunt down and have most arabs around the world whacked
and neutered and driven into sandy desert enclaves to starve to death and
open up the vast good regions of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and the 'stans back to
white people who used to populate those areas until the breeding hordes of
runty dark defectives breed themselves into an unthinking population-
pressured' explosion of rapine, pillaging and looting on their way north to
overwhelm the good people who lived in these areas by shear numbers.
I praise Hitler's brilliance in politics and mastery of people of Germany,
pulling them out of a massive depression, building a great country and
fielding the finest army this world had ever seen, while I also think he
was stupiditily crippled by his obsession with Jews and his inablity to
delegate authority. His ideas of the master race was right on, but his
methods were crude and bound to fail.
Everything is not all black and white, despite the indocrination with your
subhuman, over paid and underqualified "teachers" that taught you to be a
rigid thinkin, follow-the-herd person.
Even Idi Amin and Pol Pot had some good features!
Now, student, as an excecis to see if you larned anyting, pleese tel me wat
dose mite be?
2@ for each leader:___________________________
___________________________
George Kerby
On 2/27/10 11:17 AM, in article
elguapo-BED901...@news-wc.giganews.com, "Norman from Home Depot"
<elg...@norte.au> wrote:
> In article <hm7noa$ogs$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
> wr...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote:
>
>> In article <elguapo-AFA652...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
>> Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am the depot.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I remember those guys. They had red flowerpots on their
>> heads, right? "Are we men or are we depot?"
>
>
> Behind the Apron, we're all Orange, except in the Garden Center, they're
> kind of pink.
Longhorns vs. Commies?
Norman from Home Depot
George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
As in the BLT community, or whatever it is they call it.
John Black
This is really not complicated. The above percentages are conservative
estimates of what percentage of a middle class person's income would be
going toward those line items. My property tax example was to show why 6%
is on the low side.
> Capital gains tax and taxes on interest is not incremental to your
> overall income. It is a percentage of that income only.
I know. Sheesh, are you really this dense?
> In fact, it's
> often taxed at a rater lower than regular income, thereby lowering, not
> raising, your overall tax rate.
The numbers above are low estimates of the percentage of income the average
middle class person would be paying for those line items (maybe if I say it
enough times, it will sink in?). Our friend making $80,000 a year would
have to pay less than $1600 in dividend and cap gains taxes to not at least
equal my 1% for those items. Some will be paying more, some less but those
figures are no where near unreasonable. The only unreasonable figure up
there, as has been pointed out by many, is the 1% for "all other taxes".
John Black
FoxP2 Squared
Since they had no idea what a toilet seat was, they thought they were being
attacked with some strange American weapons system and reacted accordingly.
This tragedy would never have happened if you'd had some cultural awarness
programs, some workplace hostility programs and many years of therapy for
being a male, white and therefor responsible for all the world's problems,
and it's support and your obvious inner hostility to the color orange.
Thus, I suggest you call UT Texas and DEMAND that they send over 22
therapists, 43 psychologists, their assitents and support staff and save
two days of work week to address these horrible problems you have at Home
Depot.
If even one life is sort of saved or made to feel better, can we not
justify spending 400 million dollars and bankrupting the company?
Remember, it could be for the children.
Norman from Home Depot
FoxP2 Squared <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au> scribblednews:elguapo-
> AFA652.230...@news-wc.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9D2A632...@69.16.186.7>,
> > FoxP2 Squared <Wan...@anonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Norman from Home Depot <elg...@norte.au> scribblednews:elguapo-
> >> 0D92F0.215...@news-wc.giganews.com:
> >>
> >>
> >> > But the guy is still buying all these nails, and I like I said he
> >> > doesn't speak American and none if it makes sense to me.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you speak really loud to him, he'll understand.
> >
> > I did that and all the other people thought I was talking to them.
> >
> >> If he doesn't he must be just another stoopid furriner.
> >
> > We serve anyone at the depot regardless of national origin. I may not
> > personally like them, but once I put on the Orange Apron I am not me, I
> > am the depot.
> >
> > After work, it's another matter, and the depot offers therapy when
> > issues develop. This began after the Bob Seferton incident, when he
> > killed two Hmong on the plumbing floor with a toilet seat.
> >
>
> Since they had no idea what a toilet seat was, they thought they were being
> attacked with some strange American weapons system and reacted accordingly.
It's more complicated than that, he didn't mean to kill the Hmong, he
was attempting to corral the ox who was destroying the Bath department.
Bob was a tour-level toilet seat tosser, he did some stunts for the Bond
movies, he's federally licensed to carry a toilet seat and when he
targeted the ox, the Hmong got in the way because they were being
dragged by a rope, along with their kids.
Everyone was tied to the ox for some reason, I guess it's a Hmong custom
or something, just like using toilet seats for harnesses I guess.
Anyway, Bob adopted the kids and they're training for the Orange Apron.
They're part of the depot family now, since we killed their parents and
all, and their ox too.
> This tragedy would never have happened if you'd had some cultural awarness
> programs, some workplace hostility programs and many years of therapy for
> being a male, white and therefor responsible for all the world's problems,
> and it's support and your obvious inner hostility to the color orange.
We have intensive training in all that, but it didn't cover stampeding
oxen. it does now. Hmong are no longer welcome at the depot.
> Thus, I suggest you call UT Texas and DEMAND that they send over 22
> therapists, 43 psychologists, their assitents and support staff and save
> two days of work week to address these horrible problems you have at Home
> Depot.
I'm not sure those types of folks could find the depot, but they're
welcome to drop by if they can. We're kind of the same business,
interpreting people's wants, desires, weaknesses and sheer stupidity and
selling them what we think they need, not what they think they want.
How can we do this?
Training, training and more training. If we were not as highly trained
in all aspects of human behavior, the private-sector of suburbia would
literally collapse.
> If even one life is sort of saved or made to feel better, can we not
> justify spending 400 million dollars and bankrupting the company?
Well, not really. We don't pay that much, no way. For instance, the
Hmong that Bob Sefert accidentally decapitated with the toilet seat were
ultimately worth $43.00 apiece, which was rewarded to their kids, who
Bob as I said adopted, so he got the money, plus the $875.00 he got from
the slaughterhouse. he made out ok for having an accident.
> Remember, it could be for the children.
Oh yeah, they're pulling down $6/hr each, working for Bob, according to
Bob. We don't see them much, not for a few years actually.
Lane
I'm not the dense one here.
You can't say that taxes on interest and cap gains somehow increases
your tax rate on income unless that interest is somehow hire than that
on earned income. Fact is, it is the same or lower, so, if anything, it
reduces your overall income tax burden.
I know republicans like to argue otherwise, but interest and cap gains
income is, um, you know, income. It counts.
--
Lane
John Black
You're still not getting it but that's ok. With the middle class family I
was using as an example making $80,000, the $80K included all income
including investment income. You are nitpicking the dividends and cap gains
lines ignoring the fact that I made them so small that if you remove them it
wouldn't change anything. I don't know what you make but my own *real*
numbers prove my point. I would classify myself as solidly middle class,
far from wealthy and I do pay around half my income in taxes. Just add up
all your income, add up all of the taxes you pay (the ones that are unhidden
enough to find) and calculate a percentage. But make sure you include
things that people generally forget, like what your employer tax matches,
sales tax, property tax, gas tax, etc.
John Black
Lane
I'll call peace on the point your trying to make. Because, yeah, I do
get it.
I actually live in Colorado, one of the least taxed states in the
country. To my mind it is undertaxed, even as some want to further
starve the state government by slashing taxes even further. (Yes, we do
have a state income tax, but it's only 4.875% of federal net. State
sales tax is 3%, though most municipalities add their own in the 3%
range. My property tax on an approximately $400K house is $2200 a
month.)
Point is, at the state level, I really don't have much to complain
about. (I do complain about the several thousands of extra dollars I
have to pay the feds each year because my relationship isn't considered
a legal marriage for tax purposes.)
So I see that you consider FICA to be taxes. I do too (and a regressive
one at that, as I pay a lower percentage of SS tax than those that make
less than me) but I notice that most Republicans choose not to consider
it a tax when they talk about low income people who pay no taxes on
income. (I'm not big on strawman arguments, so I'm not suggesting you
would say this.)
What is your opinion on this topic? If you agree it's a tax, would you
then agree that low income people are not getting by tax free?
--
Lane
John Black
Around here total sales tax is over 8% and you would be paying around
$10,000 to $12,000 property tax for a 400K house, but no state income tax.
We are not even on the high end of states tax rate wise so I think on
average your tax situation is well below average.
> Point is, at the state level, I really don't have much to complain
> about. (I do complain about the several thousands of extra dollars I
> have to pay the feds each year because my relationship isn't considered
> a legal marriage for tax purposes.)
>
> So I see that you consider FICA to be taxes. I do too (and a regressive
> one at that, as I pay a lower percentage of SS tax than those that make
> less than me) but I notice that most Republicans choose not to consider
> it a tax when they talk about low income people who pay no taxes on
> income. (I'm not big on strawman arguments, so I'm not suggesting you
> would say this.)
Those who make the argument usually qualify that they are speaking of income
tax not all taxes. We move into dangerous territory when a minority of
people are paying income tax and the majority paying little or no income tax
are able to vote on how much money the majority will pay and how many
services they will provide to those not paying. That kind of power leads to
less and less people paying more and more taxes until the whole think breaks
down.
> What is your opinion on this topic? If you agree it's a tax, would you
> then agree that low income people are not getting by tax free?
FICA is definitely a tax and one designed to keep people dependent on
government for their retirements. Many people think "where would I be
without my social security check?" without realizing that had they been able
to keep and invest their own money instead of having it confiscated into a
ponzi scheme, they would have (in most cases) been able to fund their own
retirements. The rate of return of SS tax money is near 0% and is negative
for some ethnic groups. And even with this lousy return, the system will
soon be broke and is facing collapse, as is inevitable for all ponzi schemes
(otherwise known as liberal entitlement programs).
John Black
Lane
> In article <Xns9D2D9A24DC03E...@85.214.113.135>,
> absolu...@yahoo.com says...
>> I'll call peace on the point your trying to make. Because, yeah, I do
>> get it.
>>
>> I actually live in Colorado, one of the least taxed states in the
>> country. To my mind it is undertaxed, even as some want to further
>> starve the state government by slashing taxes even further. (Yes, we
>> do have a state income tax, but it's only 4.875% of federal net.
>> State sales tax is 3%, though most municipalities add their own in
>> the 3% range. My property tax on an approximately $400K house is
>> $2200 a month.)
Clearly, I meant $2200 a year, not month. Sorry.
>
> Around here total sales tax is over 8% and you would be paying around
> $10,000 to $12,000 property tax for a 400K house, but no state income
> tax. We are not even on the high end of states tax rate wise so I
> think on average your tax situation is well below average.
I know. I lived in Austin for a couple years and was blown away by the
property taxes. I honestly think you'd be better off adopting an income
tax and readjusting the other taxes accordingly.
But that probably sounds too progressive.
>
>> Point is, at the state level, I really don't have much to complain
>> about. (I do complain about the several thousands of extra dollars I
>> have to pay the feds each year because my relationship isn't
>> considered a legal marriage for tax purposes.)
>>
>> So I see that you consider FICA to be taxes. I do too (and a
>> regressive one at that, as I pay a lower percentage of SS tax than
>> those that make less than me) but I notice that most Republicans
>> choose not to consider it a tax when they talk about low income
>> people who pay no taxes on income. (I'm not big on strawman
>> arguments, so I'm not suggesting you would say this.)
>
> Those who make the argument usually qualify that they are speaking of
> income tax not all taxes.
Yes, they do. But they are engaging in semantic pedantary. The fact that
it is not technically called an "income tax" doesn't meant that it's not
an income tax (in the sense that it is a tax on income). I'm afraid that
sort of BS garners little respect with me.
> We move into dangerous territory when a
> minority of people are paying income tax and the majority paying
> little or no income tax are able to vote on how much money the
> majority will pay and how many services they will provide to those not
> paying. That kind of power leads to less and less people paying more
> and more taxes until the whole think breaks down.
I am sympathetic to this argument.
But there is a reverse argument, one made more relevant by the recent
Supreme Court case granting free speech rights to corporations. The
slippery slope on that side of the equation is that, so long as the
collective wealth of large entities with interests vastly differing from
those of the majority of citizens can pour money into the campaign
coffers of candidates who will vote their way, votes actually don't
matter much. The argument that poor, untaxed people will rule the day
seems a little weak in that light to me.
>
>> What is your opinion on this topic? If you agree it's a tax, would
>> you then agree that low income people are not getting by tax free?
>
> FICA is definitely a tax and one designed to keep people dependent on
> government for their retirements. Many people think "where would I be
> without my social security check?" without realizing that had they
> been able to keep and invest their own money instead of having it
> confiscated into a ponzi scheme, they would have (in most cases) been
> able to fund their own retirements. The rate of return of SS tax
> money is near 0% and is negative for some ethnic groups. And even
> with this lousy return, the system will soon be broke and is facing
> collapse, as is inevitable for all ponzi schemes (otherwise known as
> liberal entitlement programs).
I'm going to pass on the loaded language of this and try and focus on
the substance.
I actually think it would not be a bad thing to move away from the
existing SS system to one that invests in the economy. In fact, I think
it is largely an all-win proposition (though I do think there are
opportunities for fraud and exploitation that need to be protected
against).
Unfortunately, according to my latest statement, I have already put
several hundreds of thousands of dollars into that system and I'm not
really ready to give up the benefits that that investment supposedly has
bought me.
It is probably because of people my age and older who are either already
counting on the existing system or who are hoping to, that it will be
really hard to change the system now. Perhaps when we all die, in
another 40 years?
--
Lane
John Black
absolu...@yahoo.com says...
> >> So I see that you consider FICA to be taxes. I do too (and a
> >> regressive one at that, as I pay a lower percentage of SS tax than
> >> those that make less than me) but I notice that most Republicans
> >> choose not to consider it a tax when they talk about low income
> >> people who pay no taxes on income. (I'm not big on strawman
> >> arguments, so I'm not suggesting you would say this.)
> >
> > Those who make the argument usually qualify that they are speaking of
> > income tax not all taxes.
>
> Yes, they do. But they are engaging in semantic pedantary. The fact that
> it is not technically called an "income tax" doesn't meant that it's not
> an income tax (in the sense that it is a tax on income). I'm afraid that
> sort of BS garners little respect with me.
The other taxes on income like FICA are earmarked toward specific things
whereas the 1040 type income tax is the general revenue that runs the rest
of the government. It is a very significant issue if half or more of the
population pay approximately no income tax yet can vote how much income tax
others will pay and what services others will provide for them. We'll have
to agree to disagree if you think this is some kind of "semantic pedantry"
or whatever elitist term you want to use to dismiss a major problem.
> > We move into dangerous territory when a
> > minority of people are paying income tax and the majority paying
> > little or no income tax are able to vote on how much money the
> > majority will pay and how many services they will provide to those not
> > paying. That kind of power leads to less and less people paying more
> > and more taxes until the whole think breaks down.
>
> I am sympathetic to this argument.
>
> But there is a reverse argument, one made more relevant by the recent
> Supreme Court case granting free speech rights to corporations. The
> slippery slope on that side of the equation is that, so long as the
> collective wealth of large entities with interests vastly differing from
> those of the majority of citizens can pour money into the campaign
> coffers of candidates who will vote their way, votes actually don't
> matter much.
Big money pours into the left and right of elections. We can see through
it. The 529s got right around that law and made things worse in my opinion.
The biggest danger is from rules like McCain Feingold that shut down free
speech in certain cases preventing arguments and allegations from being
rebutted.
> >
> >> What is your opinion on this topic? If you agree it's a tax, would
> >> you then agree that low income people are not getting by tax free?
> >
> > FICA is definitely a tax and one designed to keep people dependent on
> > government for their retirements. Many people think "where would I be
> > without my social security check?" without realizing that had they
> > been able to keep and invest their own money instead of having it
> > confiscated into a ponzi scheme, they would have (in most cases) been
> > able to fund their own retirements. The rate of return of SS tax
> > money is near 0% and is negative for some ethnic groups. And even
> > with this lousy return, the system will soon be broke and is facing
> > collapse, as is inevitable for all ponzi schemes (otherwise known as
> > liberal entitlement programs).
>
> I'm going to pass on the loaded language of this and try and focus on
> the substance.
>
> I actually think it would not be a bad thing to move away from the
> existing SS system to one that invests in the economy. In fact, I think
> it is largely an all-win proposition (though I do think there are
> opportunities for fraud and exploitation that need to be protected
> against).
"all-win" ignoring the fact that it is just years away from complete
collapse? Once again, it is a ponzi scheme that will collapse just like
every pyramid scheme ever has. We put Bernie Madoff in jail for doing the
same thing only on a smaller scale. On their current trajectories the
ENTIRE federal budget will shortly consist of paying for SS, Medicare and
interest on the debt. There will be no money left for ANYTHING else - I.e
the US government and the US dollar will collapse into bankruptcy. I don't
know how long liberals can possibly deny this with straight faces. I hate
to sound like Mapi but its been blatantly obvious to all 2nd graders and
most house pets for some time now.
> Unfortunately, according to my latest statement, I have already put
> several hundreds of thousands of dollars into that system and I'm not
> really ready to give up the benefits that that investment supposedly has
> bought me.
You should not have to give it up. That would be criminal. There needs to
be a phase out plan. Something like this. If you have been paying in for
20 years, you continue as normal keeping your benefits promised. If you
have been paying in 10 or less years, you are taken out of the system. You
will get not benefits but you will have most of your career ahead of you
where you don't have to pay SS tax so you should be able to come out ahead.
In between 10 and 20 years, maybe it can be up to you - get out or stay in,
whatever you think will be a better deal.
> It is probably because of people my age and older who are either already
> counting on the existing system or who are hoping to, that it will be
> really hard to change the system now. Perhaps when we all die, in
> another 40 years?
It will be extremely hard to change. But necessary, because the alternative
is worse.
John Black
Lane
> In article <Xns9D2DDB04E4708...@85.214.113.135>,
> absolu...@yahoo.com says...
>> >> So I see that you consider FICA to be taxes. I do too (and a
>> >> regressive one at that, as I pay a lower percentage of SS tax than
>> >> those that make less than me) but I notice that most Republicans
>> >> choose not to consider it a tax when they talk about low income
>> >> people who pay no taxes on income. (I'm not big on strawman
>> >> arguments, so I'm not suggesting you would say this.)
>> >
>> > Those who make the argument usually qualify that they are speaking
>> > of income tax not all taxes.
>>
>> Yes, they do. But they are engaging in semantic pedantary. The fact
>> that it is not technically called an "income tax" doesn't meant that
>> it's not an income tax (in the sense that it is a tax on income). I'm
>> afraid that sort of BS garners little respect with me.
>
> The other taxes on income like FICA are earmarked toward specific
> things whereas the 1040 type income tax is the general revenue that
> runs the rest of the government.
Come on. You know that doesn't mean a thing. The SS trust fund is an
accounting trick. It is, in fact, completely unfunded. The government
spends whatever funds they collect (plus what they have to borrow) on
whatever they have to spend it on.
> It is a very significant issue if
> half or more of the population pay approximately no income tax yet can
> vote how much income tax others will pay and what services others will
> provide for them.
Again, I get that point. But it is incorrect to say that those who pay
payroll taxes pay no income taxes. Simply incorrect.
> We'll have to agree to disagree if you think this
> is some kind of "semantic pedantry" or whatever elitist term you want
> to use to dismiss a major problem.
Oh come now. We were starting to get along so well. I see nothing
elitist about a precise use of vocabulary.
>
>> > We move into dangerous territory when a
>> > minority of people are paying income tax and the majority paying
>> > little or no income tax are able to vote on how much money the
>> > majority will pay and how many services they will provide to those
>> > not paying. That kind of power leads to less and less people
>> > paying more and more taxes until the whole think breaks down.
>>
>> I am sympathetic to this argument.
>>
>> But there is a reverse argument, one made more relevant by the recent
>> Supreme Court case granting free speech rights to corporations. The
>> slippery slope on that side of the equation is that, so long as the
>> collective wealth of large entities with interests vastly differing
>> from those of the majority of citizens can pour money into the
>> campaign coffers of candidates who will vote their way, votes
>> actually don't matter much.
>
> Big money pours into the left and right of elections. We can see
> through it. The 529s got right around that law and made things worse
> in my opinion. The biggest danger is from rules like McCain Feingold
> that shut down free speech in certain cases preventing arguments and
> allegations from being rebutted.
I actually agree with you that McCain Feingold was a disaster.
So let's get rid of all corporate personhood (whether for-profit or non-
profit) and solve the problem. No free speech for non-humans. No money
from organizations for political advertising.
Seems simple to me.
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>
>> Unfortunately, according to my latest statement, I have already put
>> several hundreds of thousands of dollars into that system and I'm not
>> really ready to give up the benefits that that investment supposedly
>> has bought me.
>
> You should not have to give it up. That would be criminal. There
> needs to be a phase out plan. Something like this. If you have been
> paying in for 20 years, you continue as normal keeping your benefits
> promised. If you have been paying in 10 or less years, you are taken
> out of the system. You will get not benefits but you will have most
> of your career ahead of you where you don't have to pay SS tax so you
> should be able to come out ahead. In between 10 and 20 years, maybe
> it can be up to you - get out or stay in, whatever you think will be a
> better deal.
Seems fair to me, actually.
>
>> It is probably because of people my age and older who are either
>> already counting on the existing system or who are hoping to, that it
>> will be really hard to change the system now. Perhaps when we all
>> die, in another 40 years?
>
> It will be extremely hard to change. But necessary, because the
> alternative is worse.
Sounds a lot like our health care mess. Hmm.
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Lane