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people.
They're afraid folks would buy more guns. DUH!!!
Arm yourselves!
Mapanari wrote:
> Dateline: Yesterday in R.Rock:
>
> Of course the liberals hide this really deep and all newscasts ignored this
> and the AAS passed it off at the end of their story, in a hurry to report the
> story but not give any importance to the fact that:
>
> Escaped convict in R Rock, steals sheriff's car, has tires shot out, escapes
> on foot.
> Last seen by a man who heard something outside and got his pistol and stepped
> out on his front porch.
> Escaped convict, in black shorts and a pair of handcuffs dangling from his
> wrist and shirtless sees the guns and backs off and mumbles" Sorry, I'm
> going, I'm going" or something simular and runs off.
>
> Does anyone not get the connection that that man and his family might be dead
> and the convict long gone if the homeowner didn't have a gun?
>
> Obviously the police can't protect you 24/7...you have to take up the slack
> for the good of your family, your community and your freedom.
>
> --
> -Mapi-
>
> -When you're swimming in the sea, and an eel bites your knee, that's
> -a-moray!
Tim Harden
the
> people.
> They're afraid folks would buy more guns. DUH!!!
> Arm yourselves!
Question: What is the percentage of homeowners using guns to protect their
property as opposed to those using guns in violence?
The constitution should have been amended YEARS ago on this issue.
Kelly Younger
>
> Dateline: Yesterday in R.Rock:
>
> Of course the liberals hide this really deep and all newscasts ignored this
> and the AAS passed it off at the end of their story, in a hurry to report the
> story but not give any importance to the fact that:
>
> Escaped convict in R Rock, steals sheriff's car, has tires shot out, escapes
> on foot.
> Last seen by a man who heard something outside and got his pistol and stepped
> out on his front porch.
> Escaped convict, in black shorts and a pair of handcuffs dangling from his
> wrist and shirtless sees the guns and backs off and mumbles" Sorry, I'm
> going, I'm going" or something simular and runs off.
>
> Does anyone not get the connection that that man and his family might be dead
> and the convict long gone if the homeowner didn't have a gun?
>
> Obviously the police can't protect you 24/7...you have to take up the slack
> for the good of your family, your community and your freedom.
>
> --
> -Mapi-
>
> -When you're swimming in the sea, and an eel bites your knee, that's
> -a-moray!
I wouldn't be afraid of a guy in handcuffs if I had a cast iron skillet
or a baseball bat. But I would have probably opted for the 12 gauge. I'm
not that good of a shot with the .45, and the 20 gauge only holds 2
bullets. I like to have 3. Like I said, I'm not that good of a shot.
--
Kelly Younger
Spike
t...@texaschainsawmassacre.net says...
Between 1990 and 1998 there were 1,651 unintentional firearms related
deaths
for children up to and including 14 years of age.
During that same period, 2,273 died in bicycle accidents, 1,371 died of
poisoning, 9,744 died of drowning, 1,246 died from falls, 8,818 died
from
fires, and 27,181 died in motor vehicle accidents.
Department of Justice data shows that if you resist with a firearm,
you are 2˝ times LESS likely to be injured than if you comply.
NCJ-147003, April 1994, Self-defense with firearms, page 2.
The old cry of "blood in the streets" strangely it never seems to happen
no
> matter how often people cry out that it will.
>
> Further I will note the thousands being killed will still be killed whether
> we have an armed populace or not. Criminals don't really care about the law,
> that's why they are criminals.
>
There aren't thousands of unarmed people being killed in the streets in
the USA. Of the 29K or so of killings annually, where a gun was used,
more than 90% are armed people: career criminals and suicides. Out of
the remaining ~3k many are killed by the police, and in the vast
majority of cases these are also armed career criminals. A significant
fraction of the remaining number are accidents, such as hunting. The
fact that the vast majority of deaths, outside of suicide) resulting
from the use of a gun occurs to violent career criminals ought to be a
clue: guns protect society.
About 60%, ~16k, of all gun deaths annually in the USA are suicides;
35%, ~9k are criminal-to-criminal killings (repealing the drug laws
might cure most of this ... if we want to); <1k are accidental (almost
all of them in the woods); this leaves 1k - 2k where the victim _might_
have been unarmed (can't tell from the CDC data; I also can't tell
whether they were in the street or not). Whereas your correspondent
would have you think the majority of times a killer uses a gun, it's
against an unarmed and/or innocent person. This is simply a lie. But
you knew that.
For every gun induced death _including_ the career criminals' and
suicides, about 80 violent crimes are averted. But a far more fair
calculation would exclude the career criminals, suicides, most of
"legal intervention" numbers. This leaves about 10% of the total, and
means that for every time an innocent is killed with a gun; 800
innocents are defended with a gun.
NOTE: All numbers are derived from gov't sources, mostly the CDC.
Others from the state of FL; USDJ; the city of Charlotte, NC. But I was
able to find all of it here:
http://home.attbi.com/~guys/guns.html
There seems to be hundreds of thousands or crimes thwarted every year by
legally weilded guns.
Spike
--
"And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When
personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it." - Bill
Clinton (instead of moving to stop the abusers)
"There ought to be limits to freedom" - George W Bush 9/99
"A little freedom is a good thing but too much freedom is not a good
thing." - Communist China Chairman Deng Chao Ping, after the Tiannanmen
Square massacre.
Mike
news:eDxya.4504$wj7...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> Question: What is the percentage of homeowners using guns to protect
their
> property as opposed to those using guns in violence?
>
> The constitution should have been amended YEARS ago on this issue.
That statistic would be useless.
Now... what is the percentage of LEGAL gun owners using guns to protect
their property as opposed to LEGAL gun owners using their guns in violence?
Laws do nothing to stop criminals, it's in their nature to break laws.
There will always be criminals. Weapons will always be available.
--
Mike
Larry Dennis
While we're at it, why not get rid of that pesky first amendment as well! We
can't have people believing, saying, or printing anything that may be harmful
or offensive! And don't get me started on the right to free assembly! Might
as well get rid of the right to refuse the quarting of troops, too. When was
the last time that was an issue! Or the right against unreasonable searches,
so the police can have an easier time finding all those gun owners. And the
right to remain silent as well! And why give the accused access to a lawyer
anyway, that's just makes the trail system too costly!
I mean, since we're picking a choosing which rights to strip away from people
anyway, we might as well go all out.
-- Larry
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mh
<news@lordskippy_no_spam.com> wrote:
>In article <eDxya.4504$wj7...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, Tim Harden wrote:
>>> It really pisses me off that the media chooses to hide these facts from
>> the
>>> people.
>>> They're afraid folks would buy more guns. DUH!!!
>>> Arm yourselves!
>>
>> Question: What is the percentage of homeowners using guns to protect their
>> property as opposed to those using guns in violence?
>>
>> The constitution should have been amended YEARS ago on this issue.
>>
>>
>
>While we're at it, why not get rid of that pesky first amendment as well! We
>can't have people believing, saying, or printing anything that may be harmful
>or offensive! And don't get me started on the right to free assembly! Might
>as well get rid of the right to refuse the quarting of troops, too. When was
>the last time that was an issue! Or the right against unreasonable searches,
>so the police can have an easier time finding all those gun owners. And the
>right to remain silent as well! And why give the accused access to a lawyer
>anyway, that's just makes the trail system too costly!
Great idea! And we can call it the Patriot Act!
Spike
news@lordskippy_no_spam.com says...
before being "allowed" to buy a bible or dictionary these folks might get
it!
Larry Dennis
The "Patriot" Act reminds me of Murray's Rule:
Any country with "democratic" in the title isn't.
--Larry
mh
wrote:
>>
>I think if you had to get a permit, background check and special training
>before being "allowed" to buy a bible or dictionary these folks might get
>it!
>Spike
Well, bibles and dictionaries aren't quite the same thing. Awfully
hard to kill somene with a bible or dictionary. I guess you could beat
someone over the head with an OED and kill 'em, but you'd have to be
quick about it (and you'd have to have a good deal of upper body
strength to boot).
I don't have a problem with folks owning guns, but I don't have a
problem with permits/background checks/training either. We require
such things for car owners -- why should gun owners be any different?
Who Knows?
...
> Well, bibles and dictionaries aren't quite the same thing. Awfully
> hard to kill somene with a bible or dictionary. I guess you could beat
> someone over the head with an OED and kill 'em, but you'd have to be
> quick about it (and you'd have to have a good deal of upper body
> strength to boot).
>
> I don't have a problem with folks owning guns, but I don't have a
> problem with permits/background checks/training either. We require
> such things for car owners -- why should gun owners be any different?
>
There are NO such requirements for vehicle owners.
There are requirements to be licensed to drive on PUBLIC roads.
However, if my 5 yr old son wanted to go buy a jeep to drive all over
our ranch, there's not a damn thing the govt could do.
mh
wrote:
Hmm. I think your 5-year-old would have a hard time signing the legal
documents, but I do see your point.
Spike
mhantispamobratschk@austinNO!2SPAM.rrSPAMSUX..com says...
The Second Amendment covers guns, it's a RIGHT no permission, Jim Crowe
act, Means test, proficiency test etc. needed
It's a Constitutional RIGHT, get it yet?
Spike
BTW the Bible has casued more deaths than any guns....
Faze3
>BTW the Bible has casued more deaths than any guns....
Amen brother! Preach on!
In case the sarcasm is missed - I agree with you 100%.
And no, Mapi, I'm not being a sheep. To be in an organized religion is to be a
sheep. I prefer to think for myself.
Mike
news:yFQya.66894$ot6....@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> I really don't like the context of "legal" gun owners...the constitution I
> think makes it pretty clear that ALL people have the right to bear
weapons.
True enough, I was only trying to emphasize that if you outlaw/ban weapons
then the only people that are really affected are the law abiding citizens.
Bad people will always find ways to attack others (using guns, knives,
chains, fists, cars, etc.). A lack of gun laws puts everyone on a level
playing field... the bad person cannot assume that his/her victim won't be
able to fight back. Same thing with bad governments. :)
--
Mike
LarryG
> "Mike" <so...@sorry.com> babbled and bored us in
> news:baiq23$rjv$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu:
> night alone and unafraid.
> Might have something to do with the fact that everyone carried guns....
>
> nah!!!!
>
> --
> -Liberal Mapi-
What's this?
"Liberal Mapi"???!!!
Has Hell frozen over again?
Or did you just come to your senses? ; - )
Larry G.
LarryG
> "LarryG" <gils...@texas.net> babbled and bored us in news:6YacndR1-
> _2fFlCj...@texas.net:
> >> -Liberal Mapi-
> >
> > What's this?
> > "Liberal Mapi"???!!!
> > Has Hell frozen over again?
> > Or did you just come to your senses? ; - )
> >
> > Larry G.
> >
> >
>
> I've always been a liberal.
>
> Just not the kind of liberal you think.
>
> The nevoue liberal is a stupid socialist quasi communist moron, the result
of
> the last 30 years of the decay of our teachers, schools and educational
> system and indoctrination by the liberal left wing of our children of the
> easily malleable lower average IQ morons that infest most of our public
> schools these days.
I probably went to (high) school about the same time you did, so the
schools aren't to blame.
I picked up my liberal / socialist / communist ideas from a series of books
call "* for Beginners" - "Economics for Beginners", "Capitalism for
Beginners",
"Marx for Beginners". They were very readable, in semi-comic-book form,
with lots of illustrations, but had a definite leftist slant to them.
Sometimes
delusionally so. Of course, there was a U.S. Govt teacher at ACC 15 years
ago who was probably a died in the wool communist - Frank Halton.
Very enlightening, but a bit rigid in his views.
> I'm an old liberal.
> You know I've always:
I assume you imply *for* the following, unless otherwise noted.
>
> 1. Against death penalty
> 2. Women's right to choose and abortion.
> 3. Free speech
> 4. Against racism.
ROTFLMAO! Mapi, of the Nordic Valhalla Fame? Against racism.
According to your rants, there are only two races on the planet -
the Viking (Aryan) Master Race, and (shit eating, booger picking,
slack-jawed, sister humping, dog-raping, fart mouthed) everybody
else.
> 5. Against excessive police powers
> 6 Libertarian about drugs.
> 7. Believe in democracy, not socialism.
You'll learn, eventually. I did. The two need not be incompatible.
Look where democracy and capitalism have brought us, and
where they will take us. Capitalism can't help but to accumulate
and concentrate wealth, which is power, which is implicitly
undemocratic.
> 8. Anti Trust is a biggee with me
Yah! Its a good thing we gots them Republicunt Trust Busters
busting the beer barrels at Microsoft. That'll teach Bill Gates
not to bootleg hooch when the Republicans are in power!
Now if they could just do something about monopolistic
practices in the software and operating systems market.
> 9. Protectionist trade policies
> 10. Balanced budget and term limits.
> These are just some of the many platforms of the true old time "liberal".
Classical Liberalism was fairly fresh back in the time of the founding
fathers.
Its translation into todays terms is "capitalist economy with a
representative
republic for government".
> Unfortunately, the modern liberal, UT student and democrat are against all
of
> these things or waffle on them.
Yeah. Before I moved to Austin, 20+ years ago, some loudmouth Poly-Sci
dweeb went on the radio proclaiming that "Communism has been proven to
be the best form of government . . ." I almost chose Dallas instead, but
couldn't
tolerate the bullshit factor from all the Rich Baptist Republicans and their
debutant
society crap in the papers every sunday.
> mapi
Cheers,
Larry G.
LarryG
> > I picked up my liberal / socialist / communist ideas from a series of
> > books call "* for Beginners" - "Economics for Beginners", "Capitalism
> > for Beginners",
> > "Marx for Beginners". They were very readable, in semi-comic-book form,
> > with lots of illustrations, but had a definite leftist slant to them.
> > Sometimes
> > delusionally so. Of course, there was a U.S. Govt teacher at ACC 15
> > years ago who was probably a died in the wool communist - Frank Halton.
> > Very enlightening, but a bit rigid in his views.
> >
>
> Universties and schools have always been the refuge of luzers and in the
> modern historical record, this has always been leftist leaning morons and
> pedophiles.
I hardly think the University of Chicago's School of Economics (Milton
Freidman, et al) qualifies as "luzers and left leaning". UT and SWT,
maybe.
> In the past schools were filled with the smart but lazy who were willing
to
> trade a life of respect and little work for little pay and a dead end job.
I went to school full time back in the fall. Even with English Comp 101
and US History 101, it was hard work. I admire people who can actually
do all the assigned reading and writing. There is little time left for
partying and frog hunts. Of course, now that I'm educated, I've got
no job, no pay, no respect and no prospects for the near future. Sheesh!
> > ROTFLMAO! Mapi, of the Nordic Valhalla Fame? Against racism.
> > According to your rants, there are only two races on the planet -
> > the Viking (Aryan) Master Race, and (shit eating, booger picking,
> > slack-jawed, sister humping, dog-raping, fart mouthed) everybody
> > else.
>
> You obviously don't know the meaning of racism.
> Racism is when you act overtly to discriminate against people based soley
on
> their race.
I know of no such condition that racism be "overt".
Many racists find nonsensical excuses for why they don't
like other races. Often the excuses and rationalizations
are convincing until someone looks at persistent patterns
of discrimination. Texas' Poll Tax was one such example
of a law purporting to be fair to tax paying voters was
actually discriminating against the poor, many of whom
happened to be black or mexican.
> My free speech and my denigration of races, just like they do us and
everyone
> in the world does (how many poles does it take to screw in a lightbulb?)
is
> not "racist" That word has lost it's really meaning by the overuse of
moron
> liberals who couldn't win arguements and had to fall back on word-shocking
> perjoratives to "win" their argument.
The fact that everyone else does it, doesn't mean it
should be accepted or condoned. Just because a bunch
of morons piss all over the toilet seats in public
restrooms doesn't mean that it is a desirable behavior
to emulate.
>
> Knowing that there are diferences between the races is simply a matter of
> science, and not racism.
> All my knowledge of races is based upon science, genetics, statistics and
> common knowledge.
Racism and science are relative strangers to one another.
On the left hand, the politically correct police will shout
down anyone trying to present such evidence, such as Shockley
(sp?) at Berkeley, or the book "The Bell Curve". On the right
hand, there are pretenders to science who misrepresent or
manufacture data to add credibility to their personal propaganda.
AFAIK, there really are no "races" from a genetic point of view.
There are clusters of traits running around, often associated
with identifiable cultures, but there are no genes for race.
> The fact that people of Viking stock are clearly superiour to everyone
else
> in the world, through whatever measurments you want to come up with, is
> besides the point, it's NOT racist to know, think and say that. It just
is.
Vikings are superior because you choose criteria which
is most favorable to the Vikings, when compared against
other groups. Were you to desire favoring some other
group, say Japanese, your criteria might be something
like this:
1. Must be fanatical worker / warrior.
2. Must respect traditions, family names and personal honor.
3. Must have efficient bodies (short, non-obese, but strong and robust).
4. Must know how to fish / fight for a living.
5. A background in martial arts and armed conquest is highly desired.
Its all in the desired outcome which determines the values
YOU choose to emphasize. Your kind of racism is a con-game
you play with yourself. You can play this game with any group
or "race" if you choose your criteria appropriately.
If you honestly have some background in anthropology, you know
just how ludicrous cultural absolutism actually is. It doesn't
work, and gets many people in a lot of trouble.
>
> See, there are facts and all the whining, crying, hiding out, refutation
and
> arguing about facts doesn't mean they're all false or made up.
> This is not rocket science, this is just brainwashing by society aka
liberals
> to indoctrinate you and everyone else in their failed and luzer way of
> thinking and their jealousy of those who can think clearly and don't have
to
> take jobs at universities and schools to make ends meet.
I will agree that political correctness has stiffled free speech
and intelligent, informed debate of some touchy issues. But beyond
that, you will have to provide something more believable that
"because [Mapi] said so", to back up your claims.
Cheers,
Larry G.
> --mapi--
LarryG
> > AFAIK, there really are no "races" from a genetic point of view.
> > There are clusters of traits running around, often associated
> > with identifiable cultures, but there are no genes for race.
>
>
> Yes there are. There are some very distinctive races. And according to
new
> genetic markers and allels going back to pre-hominid times, blacks,
Tamils,
> Aborigenies, some arabs mostely come from a strain of homonids who walked
out
> of Africa and made a right turn at the Red sea.
>
> The rest of humanity walked out of Africa earlier and went straight up
into
> europe and turned left and right.
>
> Humanity is very fortunate that our group of cavemen survived because we
(the
> northern, chinese, mediteranan races etc) are all descended from a very
small
> group of survivors.
>
> Of course over thousands of years there have been a lot of interbreeding,
but
> to this day aborigines in Australia and the San and pigmies in Africa are
> closely related.
>
> Yes my son, there are "races".
Interesting. Apparently I missed this news in the papers.
> > Vikings are superior because you choose criteria which
> > is most favorable to the Vikings, when compared against
> > other groups. Were you to desire favoring some other
> > group, say Japanese, your criteria might be something
> > like this:
> >
> > 1. Must be fanatical worker / warrior.
> > 2. Must respect traditions, family names and personal honor.
> > 3. Must have efficient bodies (short, non-obese, but strong and
robust).
> > 4. Must know how to fish / fight for a living.
> > 5. A background in martial arts and armed conquest is highly desired.
>
> Uou can come up with any measurment you want, but I don't see the world
> watching Japanese movies, speaking Japanese, eating Hoka Moto Big Macitas
> hambuger tofu, or any of the thousands of examples of a clearly superiour
> culture.
Hmmm. Lets see . . . Japanese influence on American culture:
1. Pokemon
2. Sushi
3. Teryaki anything
4. Most cartoons on the cartoon network
5. Martial arts fads, crazes, etc. since 1960's.
6. Quality engineering, manufacturing, and workmanship
7. Consumer technology (Japs are gadget crazy)
8. Consumption / demand for k*ddie porn.
>
> Sure, we drive their cars. Wow.
>
> But the European continent, of whose migrations settled the most
prosperous
> countries in the world with the best living conditions and the most power,
> Australia, Canada, Barbadoes, USA and more are the world's leader in
> EVERYTHING of note.
>
> The other failed cultures and peoples are an enormous drag upon the
clearly
> superiour yet altruistic races that came out of europe. If it wasn't for
our
> clear superiority in all things, Africans, Asians and islanders would all
> still be eating each other and keeping their numbers down by constant
> slavery, warefare and diseases and ignorance.
>
> The world is not the "white man's burden", it's the "Eurocentric People's
> Burden".
>
> The rest of the world and the clearly inferiour or subpar races better
thank
> their lucky stars we, the superiour, have evolved so far as to actually be
> altruistic and compassionate.
>
> Only in the western civ. countries does the Red Cross and all the
donations
> and helping charities flourish. There are no African charities started
nor
> run by Africans...they're too busy raping and eating each other.
The african continent was generally 500 years behind the europeans
technologically. Prior to the arrival of whites, their wars were
tribal affairs, not global conflagerations.
The white man's burden / guilt of eurocentrists is due to the
christian based conquest of the rest of the world and the turning
of slavery, conquest and exploitation of fellow humans into
economic institutions.
> >
> > Its all in the desired outcome which determines the values
> > YOU choose to emphasize. Your kind of racism is a con-game
> > you play with yourself. You can play this game with any group
> > or "race" if you choose your criteria appropriately.
>
> Nope. It's all very simple. Who is running the world? Which culture is
> constantly superiour to any other culture at just about any time in
history?
> Which culture has advanced science, technology, medicine, eduction,
> democracy, living conditions, government the most and which has actually
hurt
> the advance of the human race?
The answer to both questions is the Europeans and their descendants.
Remember the Holy Roman Church as being The Axis of Evil for most
of two millenia. That mantle of shame has been passed down to
fundamentalist Christians and Moslems, and the Republican party.
Cheers,
Larry G.
>
> --
> --mapi--
>
M. Waldman
> Hmmm. Lets see . . . Japanese influence on American culture:
> 8. Consumption / demand for k*ddie porn.
Maybe you could influence the Japanese to dispense with the
porn and go for the real thing instead like you did.
Child-molesting hypocrite. Get a clue.
LarryG
news:JNucnbPJ37r...@texas.net...
So, which course of action are you suggesting I take (to avoid being
called a hypocrite)?
Continue molesting children? Or, stop warning others not to repeat
my crime?
Either way, it sounds like you are advocating something immoral,
if not criminal. Do you imagine yourself to be better than me?
Cheers,
larry g.
M. Waldman
>>>Hmmm. Lets see . . . Japanese influence on American culture:
>>>8. Consumption / demand for k*ddie porn.
>>
>>Maybe you could influence the Japanese to dispense with the
>>porn and go for the real thing instead like you did.
>>
>>Child-molesting hypocrite. Get a clue.
>
> So, which course of action are you suggesting I take (to avoid being
> called a hypocrite)?
> Continue molesting children? Or, stop warning others not to repeat
> my crime?
You didn't warn anyone not to repeat your crime, O Great
Defender of Children. What you did was blame the Japanese as
a whole for kiddie porn in the U.S., which is hypocritical
coming from a convicted child molester.
You want to warn people not to repeat your crime? Tell us in
detail how it screwed up your life, your step-daughter's life,
her sister's life, their mother's life... and get off the
ethical high horse that somehow admitting to what you did
after proof was posted here somehow makes you "noble."
> Either way, it sounds like you are advocating something immoral,
> if not criminal.
Sarcasm, Chester. Look it up.
> Do you imagine yourself to be better than me?
Get off that horse already.
LarryG
> > The african continent was generally 500 years behind the europeans
> > technologically. Prior to the arrival of whites, their wars were
> > tribal affairs, not global conflagerations.
>
> If this was true, they should be composing symphonies, concertos, writing
African rhythms and songs are some of the most intricate and
beautiful in the world. The structure of symphonies and
concertos is a european invention. Again you are evaluating
a foriegn culture with values from your own.
> great poetry, building huge palaces with vaulted ceilings, painting
beautiful
The straw huts often have vaulted ceilings. Any european structure
with more than one story usually belongs to the aristocracy. The
spaciousness which vaulted ceilings create was a deliberate attempt
by church / cathedral architects to capture and exhibit the grand
scale of the Church's God, thus humbling and further subjugating
the generally poor parishoners.
> frescos and oil paintings, sculpting marvolous statues and organizing into
Frescos and oil paints don't hold up well in the african heat.
And while I've seen some african sculture, I don't recall much
in the way of marble or granite. Perhaps their local materials
are not suited to monolithic sculpture or architecture.
> free trade city states with centralized efficient government.
The Soviet Union had a strongly centralized government.
I wouldn't dare imply that it was efficient. Decentralized,
local governments tend to promote personal liberty, since
kings and dictators always suspect folks are plotting against
them, and must crush the opposition before it gets started.
> I think the most we see out Africa is primative art and ash trays made out
of
> elephants and gorilla feet right now.
I dislike most african art, perhaps because it seems so harsh
and threatening. But that is a subjective call, based on my
own experience and cultural conditioning.
> And their wars still are tribal.
Their early tribal "wars" were generally meant to show bravery
and fighting skill, with the implication that they *could* kill,
they didn't often need to. Generally only one or two members of
each tribe would actually suffer fatal wounds in combat, and
those were grounds for retaliation.
Modern warfare in Africa has dispensed with sensible tribal
traditions, and become much more akin to wholesale slaughter
and genocide, which they learned from the white settlers,
and were first enabled with european weapons.
> > The white man's burden / guilt of eurocentrists is due to the
> > christian based conquest of the rest of the world and the turning
> > of slavery, conquest and exploitation of fellow humans into
> > economic institutions.
>
> Not true. the white man's burden is a burden cast upon themselves, albiet
> unwilling or not, by circumstance and facts. Like all altruistic people,
> europeans feel pity and a desire to help the less capable and less
fortunate,
> hence the trillions in aid and help and the building of bridges, dams, the
> medicine and the constant use of the UN to keep them from eating each
other.
The UN is only fixing problems brought about by white colonization.
These whites only appear altruistic in comparison to their ruthless
ancestors.
>
> And besides, I thought we had this question of slavery put to rest eons
ago
> here...slavery has always been a human condition from the caveman to now
in
> Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia etc.
If you say so. I have no information one way or the other.
> It's the ABSENCE of slavery that is abnormal and guess what? It's only
due
> to European countries that slavery is abolished around the world.
Not abolished, merely changed in form. Ever hear the term
"wage slave"? Its still going on under the guise of capitalism.
> Besides, the arabs have always been the biggest slavers in the world for
> millenium, not europeans.
> I thought you knew your history...or was you last history course taught by
an
> ignorant affirmative action black token professor in college history?
My sense of world history is limited to public schools, bunches of
movies and a few good books. Still not on a par with your own,
apparently, which is why I don't challenge some of what you claim.
US History comes from one semester in college, plus living much of the
second part. Of course, having the History Channel helps there too.
Cheers,
Larry G.
> --mapi--
LarryG
> LarryG wrote:
>
> >>>Hmmm. Lets see . . . Japanese influence on American culture:
> >>>8. Consumption / demand for k*ddie porn.
> >>
> >>Maybe you could influence the Japanese to dispense with the
> >>porn and go for the real thing instead like you did.
> >>
> >>Child-molesting hypocrite. Get a clue.
> >
> > So, which course of action are you suggesting I take (to avoid being
> > called a hypocrite)?
> > Continue molesting children? Or, stop warning others not to repeat
> > my crime?
>
> You didn't warn anyone not to repeat your crime, O Great
> Defender of Children.
Unless you have read all of my posts, you are ill informed.
> What you did was blame the Japanese as
> a whole for kiddie porn in the U.S.,
How familiar are you with the Asian sex market?
A number of years ago, the newsshows were all
atwitter with scandlous reports of Japanese
business men going to Thailand and other places
in the western pacific rim on sex tours, a large
part of which was to have sex with minors.
Where you conclude that I blame them "as a whole"
shows you are incapable of rational comprehension
or analysis. Hopefully your skills will improve
when you graduate seventh grade.
> which is hypocritical
> coming from a convicted child molester.
Please explain how so.
> You want to warn people not to repeat your crime? Tell us in
> detail how it screwed up your life, your step-daughter's life,
> her sister's life, their mother's life...
To make that sort of information public would be a crime
in itself. Do you actually desire stories of sexual
vengence and abuse of power? Do you masturbate to
such fantasies? If you do, I know a group therapist
or two who can help you.
> and get off the
> ethical high horse that somehow admitting to what you did
> after proof was posted here somehow makes you "noble."
Why don't you cut the pretense of your disgust with me.
The real reason you wish to belittle and humble me is
because I continue to criticize the actions of the government
of Israel, and the inordinate representation of Jews and
Israelis in the American government.
I am reasonably certain that "Waldman" is a Jewish name.
< http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolomea/nameorigin.htm >
> > Either way, it sounds like you are advocating something immoral,
> > if not criminal.
>
> Sarcasm, Chester. Look it up.
>
> > Do you imagine yourself to be better than me?
>
> Get off that horse already.
Dismount your own.
Perhaps you need to review the role of Jews in the porn
industry. See "Jews in Porn":
< http://www.heretical.com/miscella/jewporn.html >
Shalome,
Larry G.
LarryG
> "M. Waldman" <inv...@address.com> babbled and bored us in
> news:Ua6dnbxFT8x...@texas.net:
> children who've been around you in the last ten years to have a private
one
> on one session with a social worker?
>
> mapi
Is this what happened to A**n?
Larry G.
M. Waldman
> Why don't you cut the pretense of your disgust with me.
> The real reason you wish to belittle and humble me is
> because I continue to criticize the actions of the government
> of Israel, and the inordinate representation of Jews and
> Israelis in the American government.
>
> I am reasonably certain that "Waldman" is a Jewish name.
> < http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolomea/nameorigin.htm >
Here is all the proof anyone needs of your "rehabilitation."
You simply can't fathom the notion that someone might be
disgusted with you for sexually molesting your 14-year-old
step-daughter, and you therefore conclude that the reason you
disgust me is that I AM JEWISH.
Yes, Chester, the fault is mine entirely, because I'm Jewish.
Except that I'm not.
You have repeatedly portrayed yourself as noble not in spite
of the fact that you molested your step-daughter, but BECAUSE
you molested your step-daughter. If not for that you couldn't
hold your head so high at your supposed rehabilitation. Sure,
recidivism is rampant among sex offenders, but you are the
exception, you have redeemed yourself in your own eyes, and
liquid gold courses through your veins.
I'll bet your ex-wife is overjoyed to have such a wonderful
male role model in her daughters' lives. You ARE involved in
their lives, right? Or are you the only one who sees a hero
in place of a pervert when you look in your bathroom mirror?
Meanwhile you freely post your sweeping opinions about which
children should be removed from their parents' homes and about
which Asian societies are to blame for sexual abuse of
children in the U.S.
That's why you're a hypocrite. Because you freely cast blame
everywhere else while playing the Reformed Child Molester in
Shining Armor. And when I am disgusted by your sexual abuse
of a 14-year-old girl and by your hypocritical attitude, you
try to turn the blame on me for being Jewish.
Oy gevalt. Get a freakin' clue already, Chester you schmuck.
You have blinded yourself in all the sunlight shining out of
your ass.
You STILL don't understand the nature of your crime or why it
is you have such a propensity for pointing fingers and blaming
others for abusing children. Your supposed "rehabilitation"
is nothing more than an attempt to lift yourself above what
you really are by convincing yourself that you are all better
now, and at the same time you tear down entire classes of
people based on ethnicity or religion so that you will have a
sea of moral inferiors to look down upon. They're the ones
with the problems, yes, it's the Asians and the Jews who are
to blame, not poor Larry the Child Molester. He's reformed,
yes indeed. If you truly were rehabilitated, you wouldn't
need to attack others to feel secure in yourself. But you're
attacking them by the millions, aren't you? Does that tell
you anything?
You still need help, Larry.
And shalome yourself. (Is that spelled right?)
JETman
LarryG wrote:
>
> "Mapanari" <Fakea...@nonexistant.com> wrote in message
> news:z9Zza.66813$ev1....@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > "LarryG" <gils...@texas.net> babbled and bored us in
> > news:4uWdndxv8om...@texas.net:
>
> > > The african continent was generally 500 years behind the europeans
> > > technologically. Prior to the arrival of whites, their wars were
> > > tribal affairs, not global conflagerations.
> >
> > If this was true, they should be composing symphonies, concertos, writing
>
> African rhythms and songs are some of the most intricate and
> beautiful in the world. The structure of symphonies and
> concertos is a european invention. Again you are evaluating
> a foriegn culture with values from your own.
>
Many so called rhythms, songs etc. in backward cultures evolved from
missionary activity...
> > great poetry, building huge palaces with vaulted ceilings, painting
> beautiful
>
> The straw huts often have vaulted ceilings. Any european structure
> with more than one story usually belongs to the aristocracy. The
> spaciousness which vaulted ceilings create was a deliberate attempt
> by church / cathedral architects to capture and exhibit the grand
> scale of the Church's God, thus humbling and further subjugating
> the generally poor parishoners.
>
Oh, I suppose that lets the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians and a host of
other cultures, eh?
Larry grasping for straws that ain't...
--
Regards,
JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
LarryG
> LarryG wrote:
>
> > Why don't you cut the pretense of your disgust with me.
> > The real reason you wish to belittle and humble me is
> > because I continue to criticize the actions of the government
> > of Israel, and the inordinate representation of Jews and
> > Israelis in the American government.
> >
> > I am reasonably certain that "Waldman" is a Jewish name.
> > < http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolomea/nameorigin.htm >
>
> Here is all the proof anyone needs of your "rehabilitation."
> You simply can't fathom the notion that someone might be
> disgusted with you for sexually molesting your 14-year-old
> step-daughter, and you therefore conclude that the reason you
> disgust me is that I AM JEWISH.
>
> Yes, Chester, the fault is mine entirely, because I'm Jewish.
>
> Except that I'm not.
Your name certainly is.
> You have repeatedly portrayed yourself as noble not in spite
> of the fact that you molested your step-daughter, but BECAUSE
> you molested your step-daughter. If not for that you couldn't
> hold your head so high at your supposed rehabilitation. Sure,
> recidivism is rampant among sex offenders,
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Of all crimes, recidivism (reoffense)
among sex offenders is among the lowest.
Here are some quotes from the U.S. Department of Justice's
Center for Sex Offender Management website:
< http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html >
Myth:
"Most sex offenders reoffend."
Fact:
Reconviction data suggest that this is not the case.
Further, reoffense rates vary among different types
of sex offenders and are related to specific
characteristics of the offender and the offense.
Persons who commit sex offenses are not a homogeneous
group, but instead fall into several different
categories. As a result, research has identified
significant differences in reoffense patterns from
one category to another. Looking at reconviction
rates alone, one large-scale analysis (Hanson and
Bussiere, 1998) reported the following differences:
child molesters had a 13% reconviction rate for
sexual offenses and a 37% reconviction rate for
new, non-sex offenses over a five year period; and
rapists had a 19% reconviction rate for sexual
offenses and a 46% reconviction rate for new,
non-sexual offenses over a five year period.
. . .
It is noteworthy that recidivism rates for sex offenders
are lower than for the general criminal population.
> but you are the
> exception, you have redeemed yourself in your own eyes, and
> liquid gold courses through your veins.
>
> I'll bet your ex-wife is overjoyed to have such a wonderful
> male role model in her daughters' lives. You ARE involved in
> their lives, right? Or are you the only one who sees a hero
> in place of a pervert when you look in your bathroom mirror?
>
> Meanwhile you freely post your sweeping opinions about which
> children should be removed from their parents' homes and about
> which Asian societies are to blame for sexual abuse of
> children in the U.S.
If a person has experience in a field of study, aren't their
opinions more valid that those offered by pontificating
assholes?
> That's why you're a hypocrite. Because you freely cast blame
> everywhere else while playing the Reformed Child Molester in
> Shining Armor. And when I am disgusted by your sexual abuse
> of a 14-year-old girl and by your hypocritical attitude, you
> try to turn the blame on me for being Jewish.
You seem *very* interested in the sexual deviance of others.
Such obsessiveness may be a form of covert fascination, covered
by denial and professions of disgust and outrage.
I commited a terrible crime, and can only pray my victims will
someday forgive me. To that end, I have committed great effort
at changing both my behavior and thinking processes.
As such, I chose to not play a role model for your potential
degeneracy. And I will not be silent on the parallel abuse
Israel commits against its neighbors or against the American
people.
>
> Oy gevalt. Get a freakin' clue already, Chester you schmuck.
> You have blinded yourself in all the sunlight shining out of
> your ass.
> You STILL don't understand the nature of your crime or why it
> is you have such a propensity for pointing fingers and blaming
> others for abusing children. Your supposed "rehabilitation"
> is nothing more than an attempt to lift yourself above what
> you really are by convincing yourself that you are all better
> now, and at the same time you tear down entire classes of
> people based on ethnicity or religion so that you will have a
> sea of moral inferiors to look down upon. They're the ones
> with the problems, yes, it's the Asians and the Jews who are
> to blame, not poor Larry the Child Molester. He's reformed,
> yes indeed. If you truly were rehabilitated, you wouldn't
> need to attack others to feel secure in yourself. But you're
> attacking them by the millions, aren't you? Does that tell
> you anything?
I only point out the facts as I perceive them. When possible
I include web links to show that others have similar perceptions.
All you have done is engaged in simple minded character
assassination.
> You still need help, Larry.
I don't need it from the likes of you.
You are clearly unqualified to make such an assessment.
> And shalome yourself. (Is that spelled right?)
Cheers,
Larry G.
LarryG
> > The Soviet Union had a strongly centralized government.
> > I wouldn't dare imply that it was efficient. Decentralized,
> > local governments tend to promote personal liberty, since
> > kings and dictators always suspect folks are plotting against
> > them, and must crush the opposition before it gets started.
>
> Did you see the "efficient" part there? Communism and socialism and
American
> liberalism are the antithesis of "efficient".
Well, the point I was trying to make was that *centralization*
is the beginning of inefficiency. It is why capitalism and free
markets tend to allow only the most efficient and productive
business operations to survive and thrive. Local decision
making is almost always superior to remote pontifications.
> > Their early tribal "wars" were generally meant to show bravery
> > and fighting skill, with the implication that they *could* kill,
> > they didn't often need to. Generally only one or two members of
> > each tribe would actually suffer fatal wounds in combat, and
> > those were grounds for retaliation.
>
> What history book have you been reading? Mrs. Clinton's Book of "It takes
A
> Village of Cannibals To eat One Big Fat Child"?
I think I saw this on some National Geographic presentation, or
that ancient documentary "Mondo Cane" (c 1969?)
> African "warfare" really didn't start until the great ZULU nation moved
down
> from Ethiopia and spread across Uganda, Rhodesia and into S.Africa finally
> being stopped at the Lumpopo and Zambesi rivers by the british later on.
The
> Zulus were the first organized african warriors, until then "warfare" was
> simply "Oops, oh great Hippo! I don fucked up...I went too far from my
> tribal boundries and now I'm being carved up for good eats after I was
> tortured to death! Oh shit."
> Or "Eeek Eeek....I can't run so fast when I'm pregnant! Damn! I should
> never have snuck down to the river to bath without a group of guards...Now
> I'm going to captured and made a slave! Eek Eeek! Oh shit".
>
> Africans, like all primitive people and animals, established territories
and
> boundries depending on the strength of their tribe, size, people left over
> after disease and child death and hippos and crocs and malaria and you
either
> grew in boundy, hence more food or you contracted, hence starvation and
> weakness and then your tribe was usually put to death and the women taken
for
> slaves and all men and children eaten, tortured and killed.
> Simple population pressures.
> We used to do the same for 270,000 years but all of a sudden about 70,000
> years ago we started banding together for common defense and sitting still
in
> one place that was nice and defending it.
> Most africans move their village twice a year as they rape and destroy all
> the animals and plants and befoul the waters and use up all the
fuel...just
> like Indians did. There is a really good reason why injuns were
> nomadic..they had to be. After they killed off everything they could and
ate
> everything with a heartbeat it was time to move on, getting away from the
> filth and clouds of flies from excrement laying around all over the place.
> You should read some real settler's accounts of how injuns really
lived..not
> the politically correct silly bullshit you read in school.
I'll have to take your word for it. Right now, I'm fresh out
of history books.
> White colonialisation???? It's the only thing that has saved africa.
Before
> we came they were small in numbers, died like flies, ate each other (The
> country I lived in when they got independence, the chief who became
president
> served up his third wife as meat to the guests which included the French
and
> American ambassador without them knowing it! Me and 400 other school
> children helped desiegn thier new flag btw.)
>
> You might want to read about the Belgian Congo ( I was on the last plane
out
> before the Simbas...(errr...scuse' me..."noble black freedom fighters")...
> started eating and torturing people) and some real african history before
you
> make more foolish grunting sounds with that arm underneath your armpits as
> you vainly try and type anything leading to a reasonable facisimile of
> rational thought. I still remember the flames in Brazzaville and
Stanlyville
> from the airplane and the last guards running for their life as we left
and a
> few bodies laying in the deserted streets.
Either you do (did) get around, or you talk an interesting
line of shit. I can't tell the difference, and so remain
somewhat skeptical.
Cheers,
Larry G.
> --mapi--
JETman
Mapanari wrote:
>
> JETman <jeta...@worldnet.att.net> babbled and bored us in
> news:3ED18EEC...@worldnet.att.net:
>
> >
> >
> > LarryG wrote:
> >>
> >> "Mapanari" <Fakea...@nonexistant.com> wrote in message
> >> news:z9Zza.66813$ev1....@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >> > "LarryG" <gils...@texas.net> babbled and bored us in
> >> > news:4uWdndxv8om...@texas.net:
> >>
> >> > > The african continent was generally 500 years behind the europeans
> >> > > technologically. Prior to the arrival of whites, their wars were
> >> > > tribal affairs, not global conflagerations.
> >> >
> >> > If this was true, they should be composing symphonies, concertos,
> >> > writing
> >>
> >> African rhythms and songs are some of the most intricate and
> >> beautiful in the world. The structure of symphonies and
> >> concertos is a european invention. Again you are evaluating
> >> a foriegn culture with values from your own.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Many so called rhythms, songs etc. in backward cultures evolved from
> > missionary activity...
>
> This is true. Afrians didn't invent the thumbharp nor much else except
> drums' .
> The beautiful harmony was taught to them by europeans. There is no written
> record of Mambo Black Mombasa Whatever type of music before 1700.
>
> Interestingly enough, the Dominicans and Franciscans were big on bringing the
> music of the lord to the natives and Spanish choral music is now inherent in
> most of the Asian, some of Africa and all of South and central america.
>
> If anyone saw the "missionary" movie with Robert Deniro that was pretty damn
> accurate.
>
> >> > --mapi--
I spent a considerable amount of time in the Pacific Islands in the mid
1960's to mid 1970's and can tell you that the worst missionary effects
were the protestants and the best were the Jesuits.
And all of the melodic music evolved from their activities.
JETman
Mapanari wrote:
>
> JETman <jeta...@worldnet.att.net> babbled and bored us in
> news:3ED21EA4...@worldnet.att.net:
> Jesuits are the only catlicks that I respect...I graduated from a jesuit
> university and the education was par excellance.
>
> I alus remember being on a retreat with a Priest and we had a debate. He
> offered up the topic "There is no god" and he took the position of proving
> that there is no god. He proved it and converted most of us to Atheists (he
> didn't mind atheists, he knew I was one) and then for fun, he took the harder
> position of proving that there IS a god, and proceeded to do so.
> In this way he taught us debating skills.
> A wonderful guy.
> Because of them I had a chance to experience education with some of the
> world's leaders in their fields since Jesuits are a teaching and learning
> order.
>
> --
> --mapi--
>
Of all the missions in the Pacific Island, only the Jesuits urged the
local populace to retain ALL of their traditions and to never forget
their history.
One, who formed a high school boy's band on Majuro made sure that the
school was built first and the church last. Best part was that every
one of those guys had their shot of hootch every evening. Took the edge
off I guess...
Kelly Younger
> I alus
alus???
--
Kelly Younger
mh
<kyou...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Mapanari wrote:
>
>> I alus
>
>alus???
Precious mapi-speak for "always."
Used to make oneself to appear slightly redneckish ...
LarryG
> > Of all the missions in the Pacific Island, only the Jesuits urged the
> > local populace to retain ALL of their traditions and to never forget
> > their history.
> >
> > One, who formed a high school boy's band on Majuro made sure that the
> > school was built first and the church last. Best part was that every
> > one of those guys had their shot of hootch every evening. Took the edge
> > off I guess...
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yup, my priest and us would sit on rockers smoking cigarettes and passing
a
> bottle of bourbon at nights on the retreat.
>
> But the Jesuits had an ulterior motive; they think for the long term which
is
> simular to our own goddamn filthy christian baptists here in Texas...and
the
> same reason why Baptists want to screech prayers over loudspeakers like
> Muslim Imans at football games and open meeting with prayer and moment's
of
> "silence" which we all know is an euphamism for prayer, and this is always
in
> the schools, never anywhere else that they care about.
> Why?
> Becuase it's the Jesuits that said "give me a boy by age 7 and I'll give
you
> a convert for life".
>
> Baptists know this also and that's why they want to fuck with our children
so
> much.
>
> You gotta watch these filthy religion people like hawks and keep them away
> from your children.
>
> I like the Jesuits but their agenda is the same as the Baptists; just
> smarter, more learned and with more class.
>
> --
> --mapi--
Not to worry! Children seem to be destined to their "religious"
views, no matter what their environment. I had a ex-military
chaplin for 6th grade, listened to prayers every day for years,
and still came out an evangelical atheist.
Others (friends) have been raised in Catholic schools or the
Jehovah Witnesses, and eventually became rabid church-hating
atheists.
And to top it all off, one of Madelyn Murry-O'hare's sons
took up with the circuit preachers of charismatic / evangelical
Christians.
Cheers,
Larry g.
LarryG
>
> >> What history book have you been reading? Mrs. Clinton's Book of "It
takes
> > A
> >> Village of Cannibals To eat One Big Fat Child"?
> >
> > I think I saw this on some National Geographic presentation, or
> > that ancient documentary "Mondo Cane" (c 1969?)
>
>
> Yu'd be the first person I've "met" that has besides me.
>
> Do you remember what happened to the French producer and why?
Nope. Such a long time ago, and after corresponding with you
and Jet, I think I'm coming down with old-timer's disease.
Uhm . . . just what DID happen to that producer fella?
> > Either you do (did) get around, or you talk an interesting
> > line of shit. I can't tell the difference, and so remain
> > somewhat skeptical.
>
> I didn't live more than one year in the states until I was 19, then the
> fuckers drafted my young ass.
> Back overseas!
>
> Beleive me, what I've said is only the tip of the iceberg as too much info
> would be detrimental to my sense of anon well being....which I why I make
> sure I no-archive everything I post.
Born under the Chinese curse (living during interesting times)?
> I actually am a member of an African nomadic fishing tribe; they ply the
> western coast of Africa from Cape Good Hope all the way to Nigeria.
Didn't know vikings ever sailed that far south.
Cheers,
Larry G.
> >> --mapi--
>
>
Motorblade
>Jehovah Witnesses, and eventually became rabid church-hating
>atheists.
>
I have an atheist friend who begged his wife to take his kids to the catholic
church, knowing that if he raised them atheist they would surely end up born
again christians.
"fritz"
<A
HREF="http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05-11/xtra_featu
re4.html">The Austin Chronicle Features: A Life on Wheels</A>
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
Kelly Younger
>
> Most people in the world simply end up with the religion of their parents.
>
> Just goes to show that there are really very few real free thinkers or people
> who have independant, intelligent and curious minds in the world.
>
> mapi
>
> --
> When we go to war over religion, we're basically killing each other to
> see who's got the better imaginary friend.
Sammy Davis must have been one of the more intellegent among us, no?
--
Kelly Younger