KJFK-FM Gone!
kc
Howard Stern.
brook...@yahoo.com
> Format changed to "adult rock". Wholesale firings of staff. No more
> Howard Stern.
>
>
to...@spamfree.nowhere.nu
> Format changed to "adult rock". Wholesale firings of staff. No more
> Howard Stern.
Losing Howard Stern is no big loss...Now losing Shando is a loss...
tony
Shannon Clint Cartee
there was no mention of any of this. Was it just a complete shock to the
staff? Anyone know the inside story? I am going to miss that station.
IS
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Bruce K. Darling
Jeez - there goes the best program in Austin - Gordon Liddy.
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Mike Olson
The next thing I know, I am falling asleep at the wheel. The music was so
boring.
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Col Klink
> Does anyone know the story behind this? I mean last week when I listened,
> there was no mention of any of this. Was it just a complete shock to the
> staff? Anyone know the inside story? I am going to miss that station.
I found this rather startling, as well. I listen (or I should say,
"listened" - do we really need another rock station in this area?) to
this station rather extensively, as its the only talk radio I can get
inside the large building I work in. I never had an inkling that this
was going to happen. One minute I was listening to Howard Stern, the
next minute I am listening to crappola from some station called KHHL.
Yech. I would love to hear the story behind all of this. Thanks in
advance to anyone who provides the much anticipated details on this
story.
With talk radio, I could occasionally hear very interesting guests on
Gorden Liddy and Shando (sometimes Howard Stern, too), and learn some
things I never knew. Now all that is out there is the same old damned
music I have heard over and over and over...
Col Klink
The Polemicist
a dozen or so radio stations change formats over the years, and they
all typically do it the same way that KJFK did - don't tell the
listeners a damn thing, no advance warning, no whys or wherefores given
to fans of the old format as to the reason for the change - NOTHING.
We tune in like we did today only to find our favorite programs GONE.
In fact, I was just on Shando's page on the station's website, and it
lists him as being at a KJFK-sponsored event today on Lavaca. What a
bunch of crap to pull on the fans!
And does the management at the new radio station REALLY think that
tired old Journey and Winger tunes are better than Shando???
GAG.
Polemicist
In article <8pjasf$fqc$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
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Olin Murrell
"The Polemicist" <polem...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> What IS it with radio stations and format changes? I swear, I've seen
> a dozen or so radio stations change formats over the years, and they
> all typically do it the same way that KJFK did - don't tell the
> listeners a damn thing, no advance warning, no whys or wherefores given
> to fans of the old format as to the reason for the change - NOTHING.
> We tune in like we did today only to find our favorite programs GONE.
> In fact, I was just on Shando's page on the station's website, and it
> lists him as being at a KJFK-sponsored event today on Lavaca. What a
> bunch of crap to pull on the fans!
>
With all due respect to the "fans," how ya think Shando feels? Shando is the
one out of a job, here. ;^)
Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
> And does the management at the new radio station REALLY think that
> tired old Journey and Winger tunes are better than Shando???
>
No. They figure they'll make more money with the tired old music. History
shows they're probably right, too.
keiffers
and worked right until the end. Radio personalities usually have a job lined
up the minute they quit or are fired. Especially if they are as well like as
Shando. While I can't say I ever listened to him, he probably isn't at home
wondering what to do next. He has a job I'm sure.
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Olin Murrell
up soon. However, it's not at all true that radio personalities know "far in
advance" of their imminent demise. They may suspect it, and few are really
very surprised, but no GM I've ever worked for would tell somebody they're
gonna be out of a job more than about twenty minutes in advance.
I worked the business for 25 years, and saw a lot of people fired, quit, or
get "agreed," (everybody agrees it's good to leave) and almost none of 'em
knew it in advance.
It wouldn't surprise me if he did "do the right thing" and work up to the
end. I never walked a gig without notice in my entire career, but I saw
enough do either that, or badmouth the station on the air enough to
understand why GMs don't let 'em know early.
Tom Dore asked, begged even, for a chance to say good bye to his audience
when he left KLBJ a few years back. He'd gotten a better gig, and they fired
him early... just informed him that he was no longer needed as he got ready
to go on the air during his two-week notice. And, my own experience with
that station indicates they probably at least tried to get out of paying him
any of his notice or unused vacation time, because they tried that with just
about everybody else that ever left there.
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J Harris
If you hit the KJFK web site, they've introduced themselves as "The
Hill" and invite comments. I did. I asked if "The Hill" was as in
"Over the ......" . We don't need another "Classic" Rock station.
Too bad.
JH
Dave Anderson
> Format changed to "adult rock". Wholesale firings of staff. No
> more Howard Stern.
Stern was on this morning.
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they fired Alex Jones, but I am a big Art Bell fan so I let it slide.
But now I am without Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM; how the hell am I
going to get to sleep without Coast to Coast AM? I wonder if Art
Bell's recent retirement and replacement was the final straw in
lowering KJFK's ratings. Anybody want to take bets on how long "The
Hill" makes it? Two weeks, maybe three? Why did they go to soft
rock? Magic 95 already plays that stuff and they have been around for
years. Z102 also plays a lot of the stuff that "The Hill" plays; most
of that material the weakest on Z102's playlist if you ask me. Aside
from the fact that most of their music is bland, I don't see how a
radio station could survive very long with a name as nerdy as "The
Hill".
Brian G.
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Allen Walker
> Format changed to "adult rock". Wholesale firings of staff. No more
> Howard Stern.
How absolutely terrible. This was my favorite radio station and now it's a big
joke. Were the ratings bad? I guess they were. Now we have another crappy
radio station. When I listen to the radio I listen to people talk. If I want
to listen to music I got CDs because radio stations play crap when it comes to
music anyway. TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KJFK YOU ARE CLASSLESS.
blark Johansen
listened to for the past four years or so.
vince
They had just announced they were picking up the Astros games
which would have meant this is the only station I listened to.
Evil corporate whores!
Plus, they call this "rock without an edge" station "the hill".
"Over the Hill" is more like it. This sucks. I want lesbians
and flatulence with my morning cuppa.
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Dave Anderson
> Why did they go to soft rock? Magic 95 already plays that stuff and they have
> been around for years. Z102 also plays a lot of the stuff that "The Hill"
> plays; most of that material the weakest on Z102's playlist if you ask me.
> Aside from the fact that most of their music is bland, I don't see how a radio
> station could survive very long with a name as nerdy as "The Hill".
At least you know what else is out there. I've been listening to KJFK
nonstop for almost 3 years. Now I just listen to my own stunned silence
during my commute.
augustxxi
>
> Format changed to "adult rock". Wholesale firings of staff. No more
> Howard Stern.
Jesus! Now what are talk radio fans supposed to listen to? KKKLBJ? No
thanks, I have to stay awake and keep my lunch down during the day. Why
is Austin, supposedly one of the most progressive cities in America,
STILL so plagued with redneck, run-of-the-mill, conservative talk
radio? I mean Liddy was as reactionary conservative as he could get,
but at least the dude was interesting and funny sometimes, and Shando
could be entertaining and unpredictable.
Now all we have on FM is that asshole Sammy Allred and his sycophantic
sidekick Bob Cole, and on AM, that knee-jerk, finger-wagging Bush-ball
licking cop and his toadies, frigging Dr. Laura, Rush, and that guy on
KLBJ in the afternoon who just repeats his question of the day over and
over again for hours while nobody calls in.
This and the weather and the traffic make me wonder WTF I'm doing here
anymore.
August
Pissed!
Dusty Rhodes
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> Whoever is in charge at the piece of trash radio that is now at 98.9
> isn't even smart enough to pull down the old web site. They removed the
> entry page at <http://www.989kjfk.com/> but everything is still there at
> <http://www.989kjfk.com/home.asp>.
Whoever is in charge now is probably only marginally aware of there even
being a Web site.
Cheers,
Dusty
Dave Anderson
> The real question is what the hell do we listen to now?
>
> As far as I can tell there isn't any other listenable talk radio in Austin.
> You can't put together a day of listening from KLBJ and the 0mw armageddon-
> freak channel at 90.1 which carries Alex Jones. If you don't like sports or
> god too much, you're out of luck.
KJFK was the only radio station that I *ever* cared about in ANY market (I
have lived in quite a few). This change definitely lowers Austin's quality
of life index. I'm moving away in 10 days, and I'm *still* angry.
Bruce K. Darling
Jeff
> Ward from 3-5 on KLBJ and it's just a sort of weak imitation of
Shando's
> show ... snip.
I've flipped back and forth between Ward and Shando for the last year.
I've enjoyed listening to each. All things considered, however, I
would give Ward the edge. Shando's irreverence is ok in small doses,
but it interferes with his ability to carry on a sensible conversation
at times with callers. Of course, Ward is an opinionated s.o.b. - but
that doesn't bother me very much because I tend to agree with him on
many issues.
>
> But that's it - I'm not going to listen to the hellbitch of the
universe
> in the morning and the windings of Flush Limbo bore me to tears.
Where
> can I find something worth listening to?
>
Same here. I can't take more than about five minutes of Dr. Laura, and
I gave up listening to Limbaugh after I discovered Gordon Liddy on
KJFK. The options are certainly limited now.
Is there any chance that KVET might dump its all-sports-all-the-time
format now that KJFK has disappeared from the airwaves?
Regards
Mandalyn
>The real question is what the hell do we listen to now?
>
>Austin. You can't put together a day of listening from KLBJ and the 0mw
>like sports or god too much, you're out of luck.
>
>Ward from 3-5 on KLBJ and it's just a sort of weak imitation of Shando's
>
>But that's it - I'm not going to listen to the hellbitch of the universe
>in the morning and the windings of Flush Limbo bore me to tears. Where
>can I find something worth listening to?
>
Ok, who's got the spare cash? I have run a station before, and I know
we could get FCC approval pretty quick since there is now a 'community
need' for a talk radio station... who's with me!?! Show me your
bank balances! :)
mandi
Charles Walker
I'm going to really miss that channel. I'm a conservative,
but I still liked listening to Shando, and even though I'm not
a huge sports fan, I listened to Clendon as well....
I think we are at least owed an explanantion. It would
also be nice to know where everyone's going. Oh well...
Charles
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Frank M.
station (by Clear Channel?) One of my favorite stations (KFON-AM1490)
which was all-sports and carried The Jim Rome Show was sold and changes
to a Latino format. It sucks.
Dave Nalle
<sca...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> Does anyone know the story behind this? I mean last week when I listened,
> there was no mention of any of this. Was it just a complete shock to the
> staff? Anyone know the inside story? I am going to miss that station.
I actually called the station last Thursday when the Astros game was on
and someone told me Shando would be back on on Monday. Blah rock was
quite a shock.
Dave
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I think it may have been an effort at economization. Have you noticed
that the new format seems not to have any DJs or any other on-air liver
personalities? No news, no intros, no weather, no traffic. I'm guessing
the whole thing is canned, they pay some sort of licensing fee and that's
it. No staff means much less overhead.
Dave Nalle
As far as I can tell there isn't any other listenable talk radio in
Austin. You can't put together a day of listening from KLBJ and the 0mw
armageddon-freak channel at 90.1 which carries Alex Jones. If you don't
like sports or god too much, you're out of luck.
As far as I can tell the only local show which is even bearable is Jeff
Ward from 3-5 on KLBJ and it's just a sort of weak imitation of Shando's
show - plus the great Neal Bortz on KLBJ from 8-10.
But that's it - I'm not going to listen to the hellbitch of the universe
in the morning and the windings of Flush Limbo bore me to tears. Where
can I find something worth listening to?
Dave
Mike
>Still, the question is: What do we listen to?
Maybe Bob Cole can team up with sammy for a singing career, calling themselves
the "coleslaws", and we can get shando into that spot.
Dave Nalle
<aqua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <graball-1309...@63.68.190.105>,
> gra...@ccsi.com (Dave Nalle) wrote:
> > The real question is what the hell do we listen to now?
> >
> >
> > As far as I can tell the only local show which is even bearable is
> Jeff
> > Ward from 3-5 on KLBJ and it's just a sort of weak imitation of
> Shando's
> > show ... snip.
>
> I've flipped back and forth between Ward and Shando for the last year.
> I've enjoyed listening to each. All things considered, however, I
> would give Ward the edge. Shando's irreverence is ok in small doses,
> but it interferes with his ability to carry on a sensible conversation
> at times with callers. Of course, Ward is an opinionated s.o.b. - but
> that doesn't bother me very much because I tend to agree with him on
> many issues.
Ward is fine, but he only takes up 2 hours. I also don't like his
screener at all. I have yet to get on the show for one reason or another,
though he has passed my comments on to Jeff who then expressed them as his
own.
Corey Huinker
> that the new format seems not to have any DJs or any other on-air liver
> personalities? No news, no intros, no weather, no traffic. I'm guessing
> the whole thing is canned, they pay some sort of licensing fee and that's
> it. No staff means much less overhead.
That, or they need time to hire DJs. It would have been difficult to
explain why the company was taking applications for DJs on a TALK station
without tipping off the existing staff.
Adam Knight
>I think we are at least owed an explanantion. It would
>also be nice to know where everyone's going. Oh well...
KJFK was so far in the red the books left stains wherever they were
placed. They needed to move to a format capable, in theory, of making
money. You need to realize how specific the market KJFK was to see that few
advertisers would pay large amounts for air time. So they needed to lower the
prices to keep ad spaces filled. It kept going until the books imploded and
they needed more income. Ta da!
The last minute change was most likely due to the fact that if they had tipped
off the current "on-air personalities" they would have jumped ship instead of
going down with it. Pure selfishness is the answer you're looking for.
A very sad and lamentable situation that could have been fixed by THEM
advertising themselves elsewhere rather than expecting people to tune in
randomly. They forgot that it's no longer needed to cross over one station to
get to the next. We have buttons now, and if you don't make OUR line-up, you
don't get speaker time. No speaker time, no advertisers. No advertisers, no
business. And that's why there's no KJFK.
(The above is 100% opinion. I have no special sources, just insights and
guesses.)
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Olin Murrell
"Adam Knight" <ahkn...@jump.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Charles Walker wrote:
>
> >I think we are at least owed an explanantion. It would
> >also be nice to know where everyone's going. Oh well...
>
> KJFK was so far in the red the books left stains wherever they were
> placed. They needed to move to a format capable, in theory, of making
> money. You need to realize how specific the market KJFK was to see that few
> advertisers would pay large amounts for air time. So they needed to lower the
> prices to keep ad spaces filled. It kept going until the books imploded and
> they needed more income. Ta da!
>
> The last minute change was most likely due to the fact that if they had tipped
> off the current "on-air personalities" they would have jumped ship instead of
> going down with it. Pure selfishness is the answer you're looking for.
>
> A very sad and lamentable situation that could have been fixed by THEM
> advertising themselves elsewhere rather than expecting people to tune in
> randomly. They forgot that it's no longer needed to cross over one station to
> get to the next. We have buttons now, and if you don't make OUR line-up, you
> don't get speaker time. No speaker time, no advertisers. No advertisers, no
> business. And that's why there's no KJFK.
>
> (The above is 100% opinion. I have no special sources, just insights and
> guesses.)
Adam, your "insights and guesses" are a lot more spot-on than you could ever
imagine. Now, I don't have access to their books, but I did do a short stint,
working a weekend show for a friend's music store a while back, and I've been
around the radio bidness long enough to recognize a shoestring operation when I
see one.
You've also nailed exactly the reason most GMs don't tell folks ahead of time
that they're about to be replaced. Not a smart thing to do.
As for replacing staff on the sly, that's done all the time in radio. I have
seen and been a part of (on both sides of the fence) wholesale air-staff
changes, with virtually none of the old staff having a clue what was about to
happen.
Last "real" station at which I worked fired a bunch of us the same day. I was
one of 'em. My producer told me as I was leaving, that he'd known about this for
two weeks (the rest of us had also "known" it for some time, as they did NO
promotion at all), but had been sworn to secrecy because HE was getting to keep
his job.
He got to keep it a whole two hours longer than I did. They fired him too.
Radio is not a "nice" industry, if job security is high on your priority list.
Adam Knight
>Adam, your "insights and guesses" are a lot more spot-on than you could ever
>imagine. Now, I don't have access to their books, but I did do a short stint,
I've had my time in radio as well. Not a fun business.
>You've also nailed exactly the reason most GMs don't tell folks ahead of time
>that they're about to be replaced. Not a smart thing to do.
Nope. I would have left had *I* known. Not that this happened to me as well,
or anything. ;)
>Radio is not a "nice" industry, if job security is high on your priority list.
Or anything more expensive than generic "macaroni and cheese" and ramen for
food.
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Olin Murrell
"Adam Knight" <ahkn...@jump.nut> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Olin Murrell wrote:
>
> >Adam, your "insights and guesses" are a lot more spot-on than you could ever
> >imagine. Now, I don't have access to their books, but I did do a short stint,
>
> I've had my time in radio as well. Not a fun business.
>
It used to be a fun business. Sure glad I'm out of it now.
> >You've also nailed exactly the reason most GMs don't tell folks ahead of time
> >that they're about to be replaced. Not a smart thing to do.
>
> Nope. I would have left had *I* known. Not that this happened to me as well,
> or anything. ;)
>
Only time it ever happened to me, I finished THAT show, and never went back...
which is what the owner actually wanted to happen, since he'd sold the station
and was trying to figure out how to get rid of us all. Paul Pryor had a contract
though, and refused to leave. It was really kind of funny.
> >Radio is not a "nice" industry, if job security is high on your priority
list.
>
> Or anything more expensive than generic "macaroni and cheese" and ramen for
> food.
>
Oh, some folks do quite nicely. I guess my best year pushed $60,000 real hard,
but the average was a LOT less than that. ;^)
J Harris
time? He was doing a short call-in on KVET last week, but all they've
said on the air is that he's sick.
JH
bmi...@lctechnology.com
I have downloaded Total Recorder (there are probably other programs that
can do this, as this one is something like $20) from
and I record the Coast To Coast show (formerly Art Bell show) every day,
once it's hit their site, then listen to it at work the next day by
sending it to my notebook computer and taking the computer to work.
Given my cable modem, this is fairly reliable. If I had a longer drive
to work, I could listen to it on the way through my car stereo with a
headphone-to-tape adapter, or by a fancier hardware gadget from
www.mp3.com. I hope the other talkers on KJFK are hi-tech enough to post
their shows, but I wouldn't know, I don't listen to them (esp. HS)
except sometimes GG Liddy.
BTW, if your only computer is at your place of work, you might want to
have only one person record it, then the rest can listen to the WAV file
via the company network. Very low bandwidth listening, even my home LAN
would not notice.
Bruce
Olin Murrell
couple years, and all I've heard is that he got sick.
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Dave Nalle
> Speaking of Paul Pryor, does anyone know what's happened to him this
> time? He was doing a short call-in on KVET last week, but all they've
> said on the air is that he's sick.
Back in rehab, I imagine.
Bruce Darling
"Dave Nalle" <gra...@ccsi.com> wrote in message news:graball->
> Ward is fine, but he only takes up 2 hours. I also don't like his
> screener at all. I have yet to get on the show for one reason or another,
> though he has passed my comments on to Jeff who then expressed them as
Two hours? He's one from 3 pm to 6 pm. I've called a good many times, and
have not had problems getting past his screener.
Regards
bmi...@lctechnology.com
advice. But I know my solution is easier said than done, and I know that
when you try almost any new computer stuff, you'll run into
difficulties. Please email me if you have trouble, I'd like to help you
have some good listening stuff.
Just being nice for once. :)
Scott Stacks
thing I know to do.